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back to basics 4, by lesbianwednesdays on Sept 23, 2007 19:00:16 GMT 1, now here is the dark horse, large edition, good price and a stunning image. having seen some but not all of mic's charcoals/oils on a similar forum  it seems our little cherub is quite the recurring theme for the LA show. it kind of does what it says but what does bad mean to you? famous, aspirational, attention-seeking, a publicity whore or just gennerally someone who compromises their own principles in order to climb whichever ladder it takes to achieve percieved succuess or status?
thoughts please:
now here is the dark horse, large edition, good price and a stunning image. having seen some but not all of mic's charcoals/oils on a similar forum it seems our little cherub is quite the recurring theme for the LA show. it kind of does what it says but what does bad mean to you? famous, aspirational, attention-seeking, a publicity whore or just gennerally someone who compromises their own principles in order to climb whichever ladder it takes to achieve percieved succuess or status? thoughts please: |
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back to basics 4, by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 19:01:35 GMT 1, I like the willy
I like the willy
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back to basics 4, by mammal2 on Sept 23, 2007 19:02:44 GMT 1, small cock like me!
small cock like me!
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back to basics 4, by Existencil on Sept 23, 2007 19:09:47 GMT 1, Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the forum...
Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the forum...
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back to basics 4, by jboy on Sept 23, 2007 19:13:05 GMT 1, What the point in doing 4 threads about micallef, has there not been enough about this. Would be good keeping it in one post otherwise it will be all over the place. It makes me want to go somewhere else again for a couple of days while all the talk dies down
What the point in doing 4 threads about micallef, has there not been enough about this. Would be good keeping it in one post otherwise it will be all over the place. It makes me want to go somewhere else again for a couple of days while all the talk dies down
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back to basics 4, by reados on Sept 23, 2007 19:29:07 GMT 1, What the point in doing 4 threads about micallef, has there not been enough about this. Would be good keeping it in one post otherwise it will be all over the place. It makes me want to go somewhere else again for a couple of days while all the talk dies down
this is is a discussion about the art and all the other threads are pretty much do you like it or not? , or wether you were pissed that you never got one or the way laz handled the situiation.
What has been asked here is your feeling about each individual picture what it means to you, what can you read from the image. I think some people will agree this is an interesting thread and a bit more about the art and not the current sell on value and the fact that half the people that have bought the image don't give a toss what it said because all they see it as is an investment. Its to make you think before you comment
i think the images bear little imediate relevance to each other and have been rightly split up for discussion.
What the point in doing 4 threads about micallef, has there not been enough about this. Would be good keeping it in one post otherwise it will be all over the place. It makes me want to go somewhere else again for a couple of days while all the talk dies down this is is a discussion about the art and all the other threads are pretty much do you like it or not? , or wether you were pissed that you never got one or the way laz handled the situiation. What has been asked here is your feeling about each individual picture what it means to you, what can you read from the image. I think some people will agree this is an interesting thread and a bit more about the art and not the current sell on value and the fact that half the people that have bought the image don't give a toss what it said because all they see it as is an investment. Its to make you think before you comment i think the images bear little imediate relevance to each other and have been rightly split up for discussion. |
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back to basics 4, by curiousgeorge on Sept 23, 2007 19:32:14 GMT 1,
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back to basics 4, by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 19:34:55 GMT 1, I agree with reados, and I certainly don't think rupert should have got negged for it.
Have one back from me when I can (I just negged Silky)
I agree with reados, and I certainly don't think rupert should have got negged for it.
Have one back from me when I can (I just negged Silky)
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back to basics 4, by Existencil on Sept 23, 2007 19:37:57 GMT 1, I think God I Want To Be Bad will be remembered long after the others have been forgotten. I also think it has become & will always be the signature image of the pack.
Stuey
I think God I Want To Be Bad will be remembered long after the others have been forgotten. I also think it has become & will always be the signature image of the pack.
Stuey
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back to basics 4, by corblimeylimey on Sept 23, 2007 19:41:07 GMT 1, This one is my personal favourite of the latest bunch.
Micaleff isn't my favourite artist by far and there's only a few of his prints that I would be interested in, personally I think Friendly Fire is his best, followed by Angel Bombers, then this one.
I really like those chrome sculptures in the exhibition too, but don't think they'll go in the lounge of my modest victorian terrace house ;D
I've just noticed this is printed on 270gsm paper but FF was printed on 250gsm.
Extra info on the paper from another site...
"A French mould-made paper for printmaking and commercial print. The paper is internally sized, 100% cotton and watermarked with four deckled edges. The paper is acid free and calcium carbonate buffered. " Strangely enough paper suppliers put this paper down as being 105 X 75 cm is size not POW's stated 106 X 76.
This one is my personal favourite of the latest bunch.
Micaleff isn't my favourite artist by far and there's only a few of his prints that I would be interested in, personally I think Friendly Fire is his best, followed by Angel Bombers, then this one.
I really like those chrome sculptures in the exhibition too, but don't think they'll go in the lounge of my modest victorian terrace house ;D
I've just noticed this is printed on 270gsm paper but FF was printed on 250gsm.
Extra info on the paper from another site...
"A French mould-made paper for printmaking and commercial print. The paper is internally sized, 100% cotton and watermarked with four deckled edges. The paper is acid free and calcium carbonate buffered. " Strangely enough paper suppliers put this paper down as being 105 X 75 cm is size not POW's stated 106 X 76.
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back to basics 4, by reados on Sept 23, 2007 19:59:59 GMT 1, This is a great picture and i agree with you guys when you say its one of the strongest images of the show, it uses less obvious objects ie guns, corporate logos as used in the minatour images which i feel are a little contrived, the title is just as important as the the marks on the paper as really puts forward a strong message. IMO this picture is about vanity, confidence and attitude.
other than that it will look pretty good in a frame
This is a great picture and i agree with you guys when you say its one of the strongest images of the show, it uses less obvious objects ie guns, corporate logos as used in the minatour images which i feel are a little contrived, the title is just as important as the the marks on the paper as really puts forward a strong message. IMO this picture is about vanity, confidence and attitude. other than that it will look pretty good in a frame |
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back to basics 4, by runningdog on Sept 23, 2007 20:00:50 GMT 1, It's better than the colour releases I think, but a bit messy. He needs more practice. Prices are absolutely absurd for a young artist who's still developing.
It's better than the colour releases I think, but a bit messy. He needs more practice. Prices are absolutely absurd for a young artist who's still developing.
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back to basics 4, by lesbianwednesdays on Sept 23, 2007 20:40:17 GMT 1, What the point in doing 4 threads about micallef, has there not been enough about this. Would be good keeping it in one post otherwise it will be all over the place. It makes me want to go somewhere else again for a couple of days while all the talk dies down
look knobhead, the point of the individual threads was to discuss each print on it's own merits, not to discuss micallef, laz, LA or any other sidetracked issue.
you seem to me to have little, if any, constructive input to this forum and to be honest i wonder why you're even here? i can imagine the consistent flow of useful information is most welcome to an habitual bagger like yourself, if this thread is not for you move on, don't bitch like a sad little brat who managed not to bag a print to flip. sour grapes or what son?
jog on sweetheart.
What the point in doing 4 threads about micallef, has there not been enough about this. Would be good keeping it in one post otherwise it will be all over the place. It makes me want to go somewhere else again for a couple of days while all the talk dies down look knobhead, the point of the individual threads was to discuss each print on it's own merits, not to discuss micallef, laz, LA or any other sidetracked issue. you seem to me to have little, if any, constructive input to this forum and to be honest i wonder why you're even here? i can imagine the consistent flow of useful information is most welcome to an habitual bagger like yourself, if this thread is not for you move on, don't bitch like a sad little brat who managed not to bag a print to flip. sour grapes or what son? jog on sweetheart. |
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back to basics 4, by stuey09 on Sept 23, 2007 20:46:12 GMT 1, Good idea for a thread Rupert. It would be a good one for lurkers to join in on. I would be really interested in some new perspectives on these prints and is an easy thread for someone to make their first post.
Good idea for a thread Rupert. It would be a good one for lurkers to join in on. I would be really interested in some new perspectives on these prints and is an easy thread for someone to make their first post.
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back to basics 4, by danvnuk on Sept 23, 2007 20:51:17 GMT 1, Personally I love it.
It has a quality about it that makes you want to stare and ponder it...especially the face.
I showed this image to a friend of mine, she's not really into art in anyway but really liked this - she also said the face has a quailty about it that makes you wonder what the angel would be thinking as it stared at itself in the mirror.
I also prefer this to the four Laz prints - they are too neat for my taste - God, I wan't to be bad has that 'tortued' look to it.
Personally I love it.
It has a quality about it that makes you want to stare and ponder it...especially the face.
I showed this image to a friend of mine, she's not really into art in anyway but really liked this - she also said the face has a quailty about it that makes you wonder what the angel would be thinking as it stared at itself in the mirror.
I also prefer this to the four Laz prints - they are too neat for my taste - God, I wan't to be bad has that 'tortued' look to it.
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back to basics 4, by corblimeylimey on Sept 23, 2007 20:58:28 GMT 1, The angel has devil horns, are we 'seeing' what the angel is 'seeing' in the mirror?
The angel has devil horns, are we 'seeing' what the angel is 'seeing' in the mirror?
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back to basics 4, by danvnuk on Sept 23, 2007 21:03:36 GMT 1, The angel has devil horns, are we 'seeing' what the angel is 'seeing' in the mirror?
I think Lupa suggested on a previous thread that the 'horns' are of the type on an alice band, much loved by Hen Parties and the angel is viewing himself in the mirror wearing a pair of these wondering what it was like to be bad.
That's an interpretation I like, and certainly fits with the title.
The angel has devil horns, are we 'seeing' what the angel is 'seeing' in the mirror? I think Lupa suggested on a previous thread that the 'horns' are of the type on an alice band, much loved by Hen Parties and the angel is viewing himself in the mirror wearing a pair of these wondering what it was like to be bad. That's an interpretation I like, and certainly fits with the title. |
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back to basics 4, by corblimeylimey on Sept 23, 2007 21:05:22 GMT 1, The angel has devil horns, are we 'seeing' what the angel is 'seeing' in the mirror? I think Lupa suggested on a previous thread that the 'horns' are of the type on an alice band, much loved by Hen Parties and the angel is viewing himself in the mirror wearing a pair of these wondering what it was like to be bad. That's an interpretation I like, and certainly fits with the title.
Sounds fair enough to me.
The angel has devil horns, are we 'seeing' what the angel is 'seeing' in the mirror? I think Lupa suggested on a previous thread that the 'horns' are of the type on an alice band, much loved by Hen Parties and the angel is viewing himself in the mirror wearing a pair of these wondering what it was like to be bad. That's an interpretation I like, and certainly fits with the title. Sounds fair enough to me. |
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back to basics 4, by lesbianwednesdays on Sept 23, 2007 21:14:10 GMT 1, now i may be reading too much in to the whole paris, lohan, richie, spears vibe and the LA connection but does this image not encompass all that is fake, desperate and superficial about that part of the world in particular - 'californication' - and also celebrity culture per se?
i mean, 'god i want to be bad' is almost prayer like, and then you have bad meaning good, also the whole devotion to being an 'icon' is flawed from the beginning, the limelight raises so many insecurities it kind of negates the notion that you should be looked up to?
i can't articulate as well as the image deserves but in my head and my heart i truly believe i know what mic' means by this, to a lesser or more extent and i just hope the print has the depth and texture worthy of sitting on our walls.
i have little doubt
now i may be reading too much in to the whole paris, lohan, richie, spears vibe and the LA connection but does this image not encompass all that is fake, desperate and superficial about that part of the world in particular - 'californication' - and also celebrity culture per se? i mean, 'god i want to be bad' is almost prayer like, and then you have bad meaning good, also the whole devotion to being an 'icon' is flawed from the beginning, the limelight raises so many insecurities it kind of negates the notion that you should be looked up to? i can't articulate as well as the image deserves but in my head and my heart i truly believe i know what mic' means by this, to a lesser or more extent and i just hope the print has the depth and texture worthy of sitting on our walls. i have little doubt |
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back to basics 4, by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 21:32:22 GMT 1, i mean, 'god i want to be bad' is almost prayer like, and then you have bad meaning good, also the whole devotion to being an 'icon' is flawed from the beginning, the limelight raises so many insecurities it kind of negates the notion that you should be looked up to?
That's exactly what I was trying to tell my mates in the pub last night. Just joking, I don't have any mates. I was telling my dog 
This is the first Mic to actually make me laugh. Reminds me of the eelus prints - Humourus little situations. This combined with the typical Micallef style of blurry, f**ked up, dramatic, iconic, deepness, makes for a great image. I particulary love the hand holding the mirror. It's very childlike and risky - It makes the image seem efortless and natural.
i mean, 'god i want to be bad' is almost prayer like, and then you have bad meaning good, also the whole devotion to being an 'icon' is flawed from the beginning, the limelight raises so many insecurities it kind of negates the notion that you should be looked up to? That's exactly what I was trying to tell my mates in the pub last night. Just joking, I don't have any mates. I was telling my dog This is the first Mic to actually make me laugh. Reminds me of the eelus prints - Humourus little situations. This combined with the typical Micallef style of blurry, f**ked up, dramatic, iconic, deepness, makes for a great image. I particulary love the hand holding the mirror. It's very childlike and risky - It makes the image seem efortless and natural. |
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back to basics 4, by lesbianwednesdays on Sept 23, 2007 21:34:33 GMT 1, now bad is bad!
now i'm just confused, is paris a slut?
now bad is bad!
now i'm just confused, is paris a slut?
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back to basics 4, by corblimeylimey on Sept 23, 2007 21:36:00 GMT 1, Or alternatively.... You have God - which is an anagram of Dog. BAD which was a Michael Jackon Album, and some of his fan's would say it was among his best.....so Good....but Michael Jackson is actually bad for any number of reasons....but the dog probably wouldn't be aware of this as he probably can't read newspapers, but dogs have great hearing so he might have head about Michael Jacksons trial on the TV news.....anyway... .....adding this all up..... A Dog want's to listen to Michael Jackson's Bad Album (which the dog thinks is good)....but the iPod headphones won't stay in his ears, because they weren't designed for dogs.
That MUST be it, I can't think of any other explanation, obvious really just by looking at the painting.
Or alternatively.... You have God - which is an anagram of Dog. BAD which was a Michael Jackon Album, and some of his fan's would say it was among his best.....so Good....but Michael Jackson is actually bad for any number of reasons....but the dog probably wouldn't be aware of this as he probably can't read newspapers, but dogs have great hearing so he might have head about Michael Jacksons trial on the TV news.....anyway... .....adding this all up..... A Dog want's to listen to Michael Jackson's Bad Album (which the dog thinks is good)....but the iPod headphones won't stay in his ears, because they weren't designed for dogs. That MUST be it, I can't think of any other explanation, obvious really just by looking at the painting. |
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back to basics 4, by danvnuk on Sept 23, 2007 21:36:47 GMT 1, deleted my post - this is a serious discussion and my attempt at humour is about as welcome as whoopee cushion at a funeral.
....Taxi!!!
Just notice CBL has quoted me for posterity LOL - oh well - I was trying to be good ;D
deleted my post - this is a serious discussion and my attempt at humour is about as welcome as whoopee cushion at a funeral.
....Taxi!!!
Just notice CBL has quoted me for posterity LOL - oh well - I was trying to be good ;D
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back to basics 4, by paulypaul on Sept 23, 2007 21:37:30 GMT 1, The angel has devil horns, are we 'seeing' what the angel is 'seeing' in the mirror? I think Lupa suggested on a previous thread that the 'horns' are of the type on an alice band, much loved by Hen Parties and the angel is viewing himself in the mirror wearing a pair of these wondering what it was like to be bad. That's an interpretation I like, and certainly fits with the title.
That's how I read it, especially given the less angel, more cherub nature of the figure. Perhaps not quite cherub, but certainly childlike. As if 'good' was all it had ever known. Like kids dressing as pirates - they don't really want to walk people off a plank, but wonder what it would be like...
The angel has devil horns, are we 'seeing' what the angel is 'seeing' in the mirror? I think Lupa suggested on a previous thread that the 'horns' are of the type on an alice band, much loved by Hen Parties and the angel is viewing himself in the mirror wearing a pair of these wondering what it was like to be bad. That's an interpretation I like, and certainly fits with the title. That's how I read it, especially given the less angel, more cherub nature of the figure. Perhaps not quite cherub, but certainly childlike. As if 'good' was all it had ever known. Like kids dressing as pirates - they don't really want to walk people off a plank, but wonder what it would be like... |
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back to basics 4, by pw on Sept 23, 2007 21:37:53 GMT 1, big print this - 76cmx106cm. same size as JD and applause i think. prob same paper too.
personally i'd prefer it half that size. its hard to get a suitable spot to hang such a big print.
big print this - 76cmx106cm. same size as JD and applause i think. prob same paper too.
personally i'd prefer it half that size. its hard to get a suitable spot to hang such a big print.
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back to basics 4, by corblimeylimey on Sept 23, 2007 21:42:21 GMT 1, Just notice CBL has quoted me for posterity LOL - oh well - I was trying to be good ;D
or Bad? is that's what the image is all about?
Just notice CBL has quoted me for posterity LOL - oh well - I was trying to be good ;D or Bad? is that's what the image is all about? |
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back to basics 4, by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 21:47:29 GMT 1,
Just saw this ;D
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back to basics 4, by pezlow on Sept 24, 2007 9:29:50 GMT 1, My favourite of the new releases and possibly the best micallef print released by POW? I'm really looking forward to seeing this in the flesh. Will be very interested to see how big the image is compared to the paper, I'm really hoping it will fill out most of the paper.
It's hard to get an idea on the screen but I reckon the size of this one is really going to make it stand out.
My favourite of the new releases and possibly the best micallef print released by POW? I'm really looking forward to seeing this in the flesh. Will be very interested to see how big the image is compared to the paper, I'm really hoping it will fill out most of the paper.
It's hard to get an idea on the screen but I reckon the size of this one is really going to make it stand out.
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back to basics 4, by michaelscott on Sept 24, 2007 10:09:17 GMT 1, now i may be reading too much in to the whole paris, lohan, richie, spears vibe and the LA connection but does this image not encompass all that is fake, desperate and superficial about that part of the world in particular - 'californication' - and also celebrity culture per se? i mean, 'god i want to be bad' is almost prayer like, and then you have bad meaning good, also the whole devotion to being an 'icon' is flawed from the beginning, the limelight raises so many insecurities it kind of negates the notion that you should be looked up to? i can't articulate as well as the image deserves but in my head and my heart i truly believe i know what mic' means by this, to a lesser or more extent and i just hope the print has the depth and texture worthy of sitting on our walls. i have little doubt
It's also very interesting, if Micallef's name is used, instead of "paris, lohan, richie, spears".
For the past 4 or 5 days, it has been mentioned in several posts, that people are certain that Micallef can't be aware of whats happening with regards to the "laz experience". and it seems to be laz mentioned as the "bad guy", or the one making millions. but let's not be naive about this....i'm sure no one is holding a gun to Micallefs head...in other words, he still has his "own self" or soul...and maybe this is a struggle with himself. Battling with being famous?
now i may be reading too much in to the whole paris, lohan, richie, spears vibe and the LA connection but does this image not encompass all that is fake, desperate and superficial about that part of the world in particular - 'californication' - and also celebrity culture per se? i mean, 'god i want to be bad' is almost prayer like, and then you have bad meaning good, also the whole devotion to being an 'icon' is flawed from the beginning, the limelight raises so many insecurities it kind of negates the notion that you should be looked up to? i can't articulate as well as the image deserves but in my head and my heart i truly believe i know what mic' means by this, to a lesser or more extent and i just hope the print has the depth and texture worthy of sitting on our walls. i have little doubt It's also very interesting, if Micallef's name is used, instead of "paris, lohan, richie, spears". For the past 4 or 5 days, it has been mentioned in several posts, that people are certain that Micallef can't be aware of whats happening with regards to the "laz experience". and it seems to be laz mentioned as the "bad guy", or the one making millions. but let's not be naive about this....i'm sure no one is holding a gun to Micallefs head...in other words, he still has his "own self" or soul...and maybe this is a struggle with himself. Battling with being famous? |
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back to basics 4, by uksnowman on Sept 24, 2007 12:15:50 GMT 1, I also prefer GIWTBB to the other 4 recent prints by Laz. I'm just not that keen on the whole bulls holding guns concept, even though I think I can understand the message that some have interpreted.
When I first saw the GIWTBB image I missed the horns and I thought the angel was holding the mirror, observing the wings with a look of anguish, constantly reminded of what he/she is meant to be. Almost as if to say I don't like my stereotype.
Having heard Lupa's suggestion about horns, this makes perfect sense and fits perfectly with the title, although the meaning possibly runs deeper than this.
Can't wait to see the print in the flesh, and to hear other (more experienced) Micallef fans comments. I missed out as many others did getting Peacekeeper after queueing for hours but looking back I'm glad I missed this and got GIWTBB.
It seems guns and macdonalds signs are vogue at the moment, but they will eventually go out of fashion, whereas this print is simple, elegant and more likely to retain his fresh style in the long term.
I also prefer GIWTBB to the other 4 recent prints by Laz. I'm just not that keen on the whole bulls holding guns concept, even though I think I can understand the message that some have interpreted.
When I first saw the GIWTBB image I missed the horns and I thought the angel was holding the mirror, observing the wings with a look of anguish, constantly reminded of what he/she is meant to be. Almost as if to say I don't like my stereotype.
Having heard Lupa's suggestion about horns, this makes perfect sense and fits perfectly with the title, although the meaning possibly runs deeper than this.
Can't wait to see the print in the flesh, and to hear other (more experienced) Micallef fans comments. I missed out as many others did getting Peacekeeper after queueing for hours but looking back I'm glad I missed this and got GIWTBB.
It seems guns and macdonalds signs are vogue at the moment, but they will eventually go out of fashion, whereas this print is simple, elegant and more likely to retain his fresh style in the long term.
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it seems our little cherub is quite the recurring theme for the LA show. it kind of does what it says but what does bad mean to you? famous, aspirational, attention-seeking, a publicity whore or just gennerally someone who compromises their own principles in order to climb whichever ladder it takes to achieve percieved succuess or status?
