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pezlow
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In the Guardian Today, by pezlow on Sept 20, 2007 15:30:23 GMT 1, An interesting article. Thanks for the link.
An interesting article. Thanks for the link.
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paul1066
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In the Guardian Today, by paul1066 on Sept 20, 2007 15:36:25 GMT 1, Thought it brought up some interesting points, one rule for the rich and famous, another for the rest.......
Thought it brought up some interesting points, one rule for the rich and famous, another for the rest.......
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GD303uk
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In the Guardian Today, by GD303uk on Sept 20, 2007 15:36:56 GMT 1, yeh i have read this article and a few others about the 2 graf' artist, their parents even offered to pay the ยฃ13000 damages , but the f**kwit judge wanted to make an example,
15 months, a disgrace, what did that perv' langham get ? 10 months, uk is fuked up.
the artists in question where about to start uni' now they have a criminal record, i think we loose out instead of productive members of our sociaty they are now criminals.
yeh i have read this article and a few others about the 2 graf' artist, their parents even offered to pay the ยฃ13000 damages , but the f**kwit judge wanted to make an example,
15 months, a disgrace, what did that perv' langham get ? 10 months, uk is fuked up.
the artists in question where about to start uni' now they have a criminal record, i think we loose out instead of productive members of our sociaty they are now criminals.
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In the Guardian Today, by stillborncrisps on Sept 20, 2007 18:30:13 GMT 1, Anyone got any links to Krek's stuff. Searchin around but can't find any more than a couple of pics.
Anyone got any links to Krek's stuff. Searchin around but can't find any more than a couple of pics.
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In the Guardian Today, by cashman on Sept 20, 2007 23:27:24 GMT 1, Anyone got any links to Krek's stuff. Searchin around but can't find any more than a couple of pics.
Theres a group on facebook to support them, If your on there join up
Anyone got any links to Krek's stuff. Searchin around but can't find any more than a couple of pics. Theres a group on facebook to support them, If your on there join up |
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In the Guardian Today, by verbalkint on Sept 21, 2007 6:18:06 GMT 1, I remember when i was at school some kid called (i think) simon sutherland used to tag 'fist' and 'fista' everywhere and he got 5 fucking years. 5 FUCKING YEARS so these sentences are light in comparrison. I remember they had this massive free fista campaign and even the old geezers who read the daily mail and blame global warming on 'them bloody immigrants' were saying it was too long. It really caused a big fuss, people who would usually be shouting 'lock him up' were signing petitions to get him released. As far as i know they reduced his sentence (but im not 100% on that)
12 months in prison takes the piss, but 5 years is appaling.
Does anyone know of a worse sentence for graffiti?
I remember when i was at school some kid called (i think) simon sutherland used to tag 'fist' and 'fista' everywhere and he got 5 fucking years. 5 FUCKING YEARS so these sentences are light in comparrison. I remember they had this massive free fista campaign and even the old geezers who read the daily mail and blame global warming on 'them bloody immigrants' were saying it was too long. It really caused a big fuss, people who would usually be shouting 'lock him up' were signing petitions to get him released. As far as i know they reduced his sentence (but im not 100% on that)
12 months in prison takes the piss, but 5 years is appaling.
Does anyone know of a worse sentence for graffiti?
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saltandiron
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In the Guardian Today, by saltandiron on Sept 21, 2007 8:58:16 GMT 1, I remember when i was at school some kid called (i think) simon sutherland used to tag 'fist' and 'fista' everywhere and he got 5 f**king years. 5 f**kING YEARS so these sentences are light in comparrison. I remember they had this massive free fista campaign and even the old geezers who read the daily mail and blame global warming on 'them bloody immigrants' were saying it was too long. It really caused a big fuss, people who would usually be shouting 'lock him up' were signing petitions to get him released. As far as i know they reduced his sentence (but im not 100% on that) 12 months in prison takes the piss, but 5 years is appaling. Does anyone know of a worse sentence for graffiti?
His sentence was reduced to two years, but that's still a joke...
www.rocket01.co.uk/word/word5.html
I remember when i was at school some kid called (i think) simon sutherland used to tag 'fist' and 'fista' everywhere and he got 5 f**king years. 5 f**kING YEARS so these sentences are light in comparrison. I remember they had this massive free fista campaign and even the old geezers who read the daily mail and blame global warming on 'them bloody immigrants' were saying it was too long. It really caused a big fuss, people who would usually be shouting 'lock him up' were signing petitions to get him released. As far as i know they reduced his sentence (but im not 100% on that) 12 months in prison takes the piss, but 5 years is appaling. Does anyone know of a worse sentence for graffiti? His sentence was reduced to two years, but that's still a joke... www.rocket01.co.uk/word/word5.html |
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In the Guardian Today, by finsburyparkranger on Sept 21, 2007 10:10:24 GMT 1, I remember when i was at school some kid called (i think) simon sutherland used to tag 'fist' and 'fista' everywhere and he got 5 f**king years. 5 f**kING YEARS so these sentences are light in comparrison. I remember they had this massive free fista campaign and even the old geezers who read the daily mail and blame global warming on 'them bloody immigrants' were saying it was too long. It really caused a big fuss, people who would usually be shouting 'lock him up' were signing petitions to get him released. As far as i know they reduced his sentence (but im not 100% on that) 12 months in prison takes the piss, but 5 years is appaling. Does anyone know of a worse sentence for graffiti?
Some old bloke on the piss got a long stint in the bangcock Hilton for spraying over a poster of the king earlier this year. Bet he's kicking him self now. Not art mind you, just the bulldog breed marking their territory or pissed off because no one would serve him another beer or something. You've got to have balls doing graf in Asia .... China in particular is ruthless to graffiti writers. There was a documentary a while back, you're putting your life on the line questioning the state's sanity on a wall over there.
I remember when i was at school some kid called (i think) simon sutherland used to tag 'fist' and 'fista' everywhere and he got 5 f**king years. 5 f**kING YEARS so these sentences are light in comparrison. I remember they had this massive free fista campaign and even the old geezers who read the daily mail and blame global warming on 'them bloody immigrants' were saying it was too long. It really caused a big fuss, people who would usually be shouting 'lock him up' were signing petitions to get him released. As far as i know they reduced his sentence (but im not 100% on that) 12 months in prison takes the piss, but 5 years is appaling. Does anyone know of a worse sentence for graffiti? Some old bloke on the piss got a long stint in the bangcock Hilton for spraying over a poster of the king earlier this year. Bet he's kicking him self now. Not art mind you, just the bulldog breed marking their territory or pissed off because no one would serve him another beer or something. You've got to have balls doing graf in Asia .... China in particular is ruthless to graffiti writers. There was a documentary a while back, you're putting your life on the line questioning the state's sanity on a wall over there. |
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pelle
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In the Guardian Today, by pelle on Sept 21, 2007 10:20:02 GMT 1, I believe the guy in bangkok was pardoned by the king.
I believe the guy in bangkok was pardoned by the king.
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In the Guardian Today, by carlito on Sept 21, 2007 10:46:55 GMT 1, heard about this case and sentence a while back..typical of our justice system and the old gasbag judges with no foothold in the real world
heard about this case and sentence a while back..typical of our justice system and the old gasbag judges with no foothold in the real world
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JD
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In the Guardian Today, by JD on Sept 21, 2007 10:53:04 GMT 1, yeh i have read this article and a few others about the 2 graf' artist, their parents even offered to pay the ยฃ13000 damages , but the f**kwit judge wanted to make an example, 15 months, a disgrace, what did that perv' langham get ? 10 months, uk is fuked up. the artists in question where about to start uni' now they have a criminal record, i think we loose out instead of productive members of our sociaty they are now criminals.
Couldnt agree more
yeh i have read this article and a few others about the 2 graf' artist, their parents even offered to pay the ยฃ13000 damages , but the f**kwit judge wanted to make an example, 15 months, a disgrace, what did that perv' langham get ? 10 months, uk is fuked up. the artists in question where about to start uni' now they have a criminal record, i think we loose out instead of productive members of our sociaty they are now criminals. Couldnt agree more |
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In the Guardian Today, by insite on Sept 21, 2007 12:15:01 GMT 1, heard about this case and sentence a while back..typical of our justice system and the old gasbag judges with no foothold in the real world
Although I agree that the British judiciary are completely out of step with our culture and have no idea of the real world they're only a small part of the problem. This case shows the huge discrepancy between property and person in our "system", attack property and be faced with the full weight of the law, attack a person and.... well the storey from the Micallef queue is indicative of what happens. The police investigate in an subjective manner usually having decided what's happened before even interviewing witnesses.Then the CPS decide if it's financially viable to prosecute, justice has to be bought in under budget these days. Add in the increasing culture of victim blame and a dash of evil hoodies and these sentences don't really surprise me, sicken me yes (Langham's pathetic sentence has already been mentioned so I won't rant on that) but not really surprise me.
So what are we teaching our kids ? if you feel unrepresented and without a voice then don't channel your frustration into artistic endeavour, don't take it out on an inanimate object like a wall go and kick the ever living shit out of someone, who knows you might even get a piece of art for your wall. Whatever happens rest assured that the authorities will know that the "victim" must have been asking for it in some way unlike that poor innocent defenceless trains, leave them for Jamie Hewlett.
heard about this case and sentence a while back..typical of our justice system and the old gasbag judges with no foothold in the real world Although I agree that the British judiciary are completely out of step with our culture and have no idea of the real world they're only a small part of the problem. This case shows the huge discrepancy between property and person in our "system", attack property and be faced with the full weight of the law, attack a person and.... well the storey from the Micallef queue is indicative of what happens. The police investigate in an subjective manner usually having decided what's happened before even interviewing witnesses.Then the CPS decide if it's financially viable to prosecute, justice has to be bought in under budget these days. Add in the increasing culture of victim blame and a dash of evil hoodies and these sentences don't really surprise me, sicken me yes (Langham's pathetic sentence has already been mentioned so I won't rant on that) but not really surprise me. So what are we teaching our kids ? if you feel unrepresented and without a voice then don't channel your frustration into artistic endeavour, don't take it out on an inanimate object like a wall go and kick the ever living shit out of someone, who knows you might even get a piece of art for your wall. Whatever happens rest assured that the authorities will know that the "victim" must have been asking for it in some way unlike that poor innocent defenceless trains, leave them for Jamie Hewlett. |
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In the Guardian Today, by numusic on Sept 21, 2007 12:38:34 GMT 1, heard about this case and sentence a while back..typical of our justice system and the old gasbag judges with no foothold in the real world Although I agree that the British judiciary are completely out of step with our culture and have no idea of the real world they're only a small part of the problem. This case shows the huge discrepancy between property and person in our "system", attack property and be faced with the full weight of the law, attack a person and.... well the storey from the Micallef queue is indicative of what happens. The police investigate in an subjective manner usually having decided what's happened before even interviewing witnesses.Then the CPS decide if it's financially viable to prosecute, justice has to be bought in under budget these days. Add in the increasing culture of victim blame and a dash of evil hoodies and these sentences don't really surprise me, sicken me yes (Langham's pathetic sentence has already been mentioned so I won't rant on that) but not really surprise me. So what are we teaching our kids ? if you feel unrepresented and without a voice then don't channel your frustration into artistic endeavour, don't take it out on an inanimate object like a wall go and kick the ever living s**t out of someone, who knows you might even get a piece of art for your wall. Whatever happens rest assured that the authorities will know that the "victim" must have been asking for it in some way unlike that poor innocent defenceless trains, leave them for Jamie Hewlett.
Spot on ! One of the most intelligent comments on policy I've ever read. Insite is an apt name. People are becoming more and more aware that Corporations are psychopathic, holding the same rights as a "person" but without the moral responsibility. Not so many people are aware just how much the same corporations have invaded the political process and institutions that govern society. Any attempt to make "private" space "public", will be treated as a personal attack on the corporate and governmental "person".
Pretty fucked up.
heard about this case and sentence a while back..typical of our justice system and the old gasbag judges with no foothold in the real world Although I agree that the British judiciary are completely out of step with our culture and have no idea of the real world they're only a small part of the problem. This case shows the huge discrepancy between property and person in our "system", attack property and be faced with the full weight of the law, attack a person and.... well the storey from the Micallef queue is indicative of what happens. The police investigate in an subjective manner usually having decided what's happened before even interviewing witnesses.Then the CPS decide if it's financially viable to prosecute, justice has to be bought in under budget these days. Add in the increasing culture of victim blame and a dash of evil hoodies and these sentences don't really surprise me, sicken me yes (Langham's pathetic sentence has already been mentioned so I won't rant on that) but not really surprise me. So what are we teaching our kids ? if you feel unrepresented and without a voice then don't channel your frustration into artistic endeavour, don't take it out on an inanimate object like a wall go and kick the ever living s**t out of someone, who knows you might even get a piece of art for your wall. Whatever happens rest assured that the authorities will know that the "victim" must have been asking for it in some way unlike that poor innocent defenceless trains, leave them for Jamie Hewlett. Spot on ! One of the most intelligent comments on policy I've ever read. Insite is an apt name. People are becoming more and more aware that Corporations are psychopathic, holding the same rights as a "person" but without the moral responsibility. Not so many people are aware just how much the same corporations have invaded the political process and institutions that govern society. Any attempt to make "private" space "public", will be treated as a personal attack on the corporate and governmental "person". Pretty fucked up. |
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saltandiron
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In the Guardian Today, by saltandiron on Sept 21, 2007 12:59:34 GMT 1, Although I agree that the British judiciary are completely out of step with our culture and have no idea of the real world they're only a small part of the problem. This case shows the huge discrepancy between property and person in our "system", attack property and be faced with the full weight of the law, attack a person and.... well the storey from the Micallef queue is indicative of what happens. The police investigate in an subjective manner usually having decided what's happened before even interviewing witnesses.Then the CPS decide if it's financially viable to prosecute, justice has to be bought in under budget these days. Add in the increasing culture of victim blame and a dash of evil hoodies and these sentences don't really surprise me, sicken me yes (Langham's pathetic sentence has already been mentioned so I won't rant on that) but not really surprise me. So what are we teaching our kids ? if you feel unrepresented and without a voice then don't channel your frustration into artistic endeavour, don't take it out on an inanimate object like a wall go and kick the ever living s**t out of someone, who knows you might even get a piece of art for your wall. Whatever happens rest assured that the authorities will know that the "victim" must have been asking for it in some way unlike that poor innocent defenceless trains, leave them for Jamie Hewlett. Spot on ! One of the most intelligent comments on policy I've ever read. Insite is an apt name. People are becoming more and more aware that Corporations are psychopathic, holding the same rights as a "person" but without the moral responsibility. Not so many people are aware just how much the same corporations have invaded the political process and institutions that govern society. Any attempt to make "private" space "public", will be treated as a personal attack on the corporate and governmental "person". Pretty f**ked up.
The documentary 'The Corporation' is pretty good and about this issue
www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/
Although I agree that the British judiciary are completely out of step with our culture and have no idea of the real world they're only a small part of the problem. This case shows the huge discrepancy between property and person in our "system", attack property and be faced with the full weight of the law, attack a person and.... well the storey from the Micallef queue is indicative of what happens. The police investigate in an subjective manner usually having decided what's happened before even interviewing witnesses.Then the CPS decide if it's financially viable to prosecute, justice has to be bought in under budget these days. Add in the increasing culture of victim blame and a dash of evil hoodies and these sentences don't really surprise me, sicken me yes (Langham's pathetic sentence has already been mentioned so I won't rant on that) but not really surprise me. So what are we teaching our kids ? if you feel unrepresented and without a voice then don't channel your frustration into artistic endeavour, don't take it out on an inanimate object like a wall go and kick the ever living s**t out of someone, who knows you might even get a piece of art for your wall. Whatever happens rest assured that the authorities will know that the "victim" must have been asking for it in some way unlike that poor innocent defenceless trains, leave them for Jamie Hewlett. Spot on ! One of the most intelligent comments on policy I've ever read. Insite is an apt name. People are becoming more and more aware that Corporations are psychopathic, holding the same rights as a "person" but without the moral responsibility. Not so many people are aware just how much the same corporations have invaded the political process and institutions that govern society. Any attempt to make "private" space "public", will be treated as a personal attack on the corporate and governmental "person". Pretty f**ked up. The documentary 'The Corporation' is pretty good and about this issue www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/ |
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scavos
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In the Guardian Today, by scavos on Sept 21, 2007 13:16:53 GMT 1, +1 from me insite. Spot on there mate. 
It reminds me of my frustration at how media and government have contributed toward the purposive oppression of an age group.
I work with young people for a living and I'm sick of society labelling them as criminals for walking down a street or wearing certain clothes. This perpetuates the myth and contributes to the self-fulfilling prophecy that can lead to young people getting involved in crime.
The more victimised they become the less connected with society they feel. The concept of citizenship is all very well but it has to work both ways. The government cannot expect disenfranchised young people to contribute towards a society that perceives them to be little more than scum. They need to be supported and nurtured within society as well as within their own homes.
Little wonder that people feel the need to express themselves through street art and 'vandalism'. And thank fuck they do! Little wonder too that magistrates and, more importantly Court advisers have such damning views on such people and consider themselves fully justified in locking them up for crucial periods of their formative years.
I'm not some fucking pipe smoking, slipper wearing, 2CV driving, rose-tinted spectacle wearing hippy who thinks young people can do no wrong. Far from it. But the reality is, if you treat people like sh!te they will not respect you. Sometimes it is as simple as that.
When will the so called 'great and the good' ever learn?
+1 from me insite. Spot on there mate. It reminds me of my frustration at how media and government have contributed toward the purposive oppression of an age group. I work with young people for a living and I'm sick of society labelling them as criminals for walking down a street or wearing certain clothes. This perpetuates the myth and contributes to the self-fulfilling prophecy that can lead to young people getting involved in crime. The more victimised they become the less connected with society they feel. The concept of citizenship is all very well but it has to work both ways. The government cannot expect disenfranchised young people to contribute towards a society that perceives them to be little more than scum. They need to be supported and nurtured within society as well as within their own homes. Little wonder that people feel the need to express themselves through street art and 'vandalism'. And thank fuck they do! Little wonder too that magistrates and, more importantly Court advisers have such damning views on such people and consider themselves fully justified in locking them up for crucial periods of their formative years. I'm not some fucking pipe smoking, slipper wearing, 2CV driving, rose-tinted spectacle wearing hippy who thinks young people can do no wrong. Far from it. But the reality is, if you treat people like sh!te they will not respect you. Sometimes it is as simple as that. When will the so called 'great and the good' ever learn? |
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In the Guardian Today, by insite on Sept 21, 2007 14:30:59 GMT 1, Cheers Nu the name was just a bit of a joke when I started on flickr (I live on a site) but it's become inextricably linked to my arrogance since ;D I am considering a slight change in spelling (and attitude) to incite though
Carlito, you and your Bro have my every sympathy, you're not alone (I'll put it in a mail)
Scavos, I know it disgusts me as well. Despite being 40 in a few weeks I've got a few teenage friends and I'm shocked at how they're treated, young girls in groups being made to separate and walk in different direction by the police, an entire generation being written off as hoodies. And don't get me going on ASBO's, reminds me of the way the CJA was bought in and implemented, we don't like a few of you or your ideas so we'll re-write the law and criminalise your behaviour and you're so right, call someone something enough times and that's what they'll become. What a way to prove a point, by destroying people. Still every time I hear that someone such as your self is working to redress the balance I remember that not all is lost.
Cheers Nu the name was just a bit of a joke when I started on flickr (I live on a site) but it's become inextricably linked to my arrogance since ;D I am considering a slight change in spelling (and attitude) to incite though Carlito, you and your Bro have my every sympathy, you're not alone (I'll put it in a mail) Scavos, I know it disgusts me as well. Despite being 40 in a few weeks I've got a few teenage friends and I'm shocked at how they're treated, young girls in groups being made to separate and walk in different direction by the police, an entire generation being written off as hoodies. And don't get me going on ASBO's, reminds me of the way the CJA was bought in and implemented, we don't like a few of you or your ideas so we'll re-write the law and criminalise your behaviour and you're so right, call someone something enough times and that's what they'll become. What a way to prove a point, by destroying people. Still every time I hear that someone such as your self is working to redress the balance I remember that not all is lost. |
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