Sell a signed banksy at your peril. Think very seriously outside the hype (yes hype) currently surrounding all these artists, Micallef, Beejoir, Neate etc etc. Outside of the forum circle of friends, how many people do you know who have ever heard of any of them (don't count the one's you introduced to people).

Then ask yourself how many people outside have heard of Banksy! If its for investment purposes, I would not move on any signed banksy. However, if it is for love of other material, like aza's quest for a 3d neate original for a christ with shopping, then fair play, swap for something that appeals to you more.

Do all agree that selling a signed Banksy would be stupid..

As for monetary value, its very difficult to tell: how much longer can it be the case that a Neate print pulls in twice or 2.5X as much as a street piece which is a one off.

And for that matter, how much is a Neate deck worth.

When does a "hyped" artist become an established one. Are Neate, Micaleff, Beejoir, Dface hyped or established??

Has Banksy topped out as far as value is concerned..how much can a print pull in...

jeeeeez there's some severe cynicism starting to crop up these boards...i think there's a little more to Neate, Micallef and Beejoir than just hype

Don't don't don't don't believe the hype

Chuck D is coming to kick all your ass's! and it will be GOOG thing ;D

No hype - one artist - Adam Neate is the great british hope for contemporary painting. The best british painter on the scene since francis bacon and david hockney this guy is going to be mega. One day his star will eclipse everyone else being spoken on these boards. No hype it's the truth

Well said!

By hype, I don't mean people on forums. At the moment I would say Micallef is beginning to go beyond the hype and move up a little. He is being promoted as a british artist with serious support from heavyweight British organisations that should lead to him being an established artist in time to come.

Adam Neate, a great artist, great potential, but not known outside of these circles at all as yet. Hence when someone asks about how many neates for a Banksy, I would say hype comes into play a little. However, people are beginning to notice Neate outside of this forum, but he still has no more than a listing in time out at the moment. That could all change very soon and would very much be deserved.

Just trying to poitn out that none of these artists comes close to the level of recognition in terms of admiration or revulsion that Banksy has established. I believe in time Micallef and Neate will be established artists (they are to many already), but I am warning nacional that if he is in ownership of a signed banksy, and see's it as a financial tool to speculate with, he would be mad to sell it.

Banksy is barely 'established' by traditional art world terms, and with the prices being commanded for his originals you have to judge it by traditional art world terms.

Micallef appears to be on schedule to get there within the next several years(considering his shows, museum presence, rising auction house presence, etc.), Neate is showing promise but needs many more gallery shows, an auction record, and time, D*Face will come no where near, and it is ridiculous even mentioning the term established with regard to Beejoir at this point.

of course, just IMO but I do think many on this board set the bar way too low for what 'established' means. I think of the term 'established' as equal to 'blue chip stock', a title that takes a long record of proven performance in order to earn.....an established artist/blue-chipper will dip slightly in a recession or market correction but will soon rise past previous levels because the foundation/fundamentals are so strong. We can't say that about any of the current generation right now. Too much unknown. Most everyone can still vanish.

who's mentioned the word established?

kinda depressed that a thread that was light hearted and about 'swapsies' has become whats the best stock investment, $$$ etc etc debate

Sorry to let reality creep in to your light heartedness, although as you can see I didn't start it and only gave my opinion on a question that was proposed. The concept of what makes an artist established is, IMO, one that is not discussed here enough, one that many do not consider enough, and one that many will learn - the hard way.

Its always sweetness and light when it looks like the sky is the limit. Depressing is when you crash back down.

I did answer your question! If it is for financial gain, don't do it. If it is because you prefer another image, swap for the other image. Its worth what you base it to be worth and if someone swaps they agree

so who stated Neate or Micallef were established?

i think for future reference that no one should get excited aboout a new artist for fear that their investments are worth nothing or until Brian Sewell and the art establishment have reassured us it's worth buying...

I always thought this whole street scene and offshoots we're now seeing develop were totally against this art establishment? I thought the whole point with street art is that they're not waiting to be recognised you can see it for yourself...

what you're saying makes sense I get it, I'm having a go at you I'm just saying everything seems to be getting boxed and pushed in that direction when in fact the 'fun' of this scene is that it's not waiting, this is art for the fans citiqued by the fans ... not by the establishment

okayyy I could well be talking bollox sorry about that

I love Micallef, Neate, etc, but I don't think I would trade my only signed Banksy for any of their works. If I had multiple Banksys I'd probably consider it. Right now the only artist I would enthusiastically agree to trade my Banksy for another signed print 1 to 1 is Hutch!