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Turned off by Giclée, by corblimeylimey on Jun 8, 2007 18:10:55 GMT 1, A friend of mine has his own Giclee (large format inkjet) business, I went to see him yesterday for him to do a couple of jobs for me. I want two 50cm square prints on high quality cotton rich paper (aka rag) he's doing one for me as a return of favour and the other is unlikely to cost more than £10 (friend price although he'll still cover his materials & time for that) I asked him about the possibility of printing on canvas he can buy enough canvas to print 6 x 50cm square canvasses for only £18!!!! obviously I'll need to add the cost of the inks, his time, and the wood for making the stretchers, but I can clearly see the massive profit businesses like Habitat make by selling giclee canvasses for around £90. That makes the profit on churning out 100 or so giclee's on paper for £500 - £1000 each astronomical. In the next week or so I'll be posting my results on the forum with his commercial price for doing the same for anyone else here that would also like copies, I think you're going to be gobsmacked. Lookin forward to seeing your results... what are the prints, or would that ruin the surprise?
These are the images I'm getting printed 50cm square to fit in a Habitat or other standard frame.
and detail as it doesn't look right on screen
A friend of mine has his own Giclee (large format inkjet) business, I went to see him yesterday for him to do a couple of jobs for me. I want two 50cm square prints on high quality cotton rich paper (aka rag) he's doing one for me as a return of favour and the other is unlikely to cost more than £10 (friend price although he'll still cover his materials & time for that) I asked him about the possibility of printing on canvas he can buy enough canvas to print 6 x 50cm square canvasses for only £18!!!! obviously I'll need to add the cost of the inks, his time, and the wood for making the stretchers, but I can clearly see the massive profit businesses like Habitat make by selling giclee canvasses for around £90. That makes the profit on churning out 100 or so giclee's on paper for £500 - £1000 each astronomical. In the next week or so I'll be posting my results on the forum with his commercial price for doing the same for anyone else here that would also like copies, I think you're going to be gobsmacked. Lookin forward to seeing your results... what are the prints, or would that ruin the surprise? These are the images I'm getting printed 50cm square to fit in a Habitat or other standard frame. and detail as it doesn't look right on screen |
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Turned off by Giclée, by Strange Al on Jun 8, 2007 18:15:01 GMT 1, I think giclee is a bit lazy printing. It is possible to screenprint any image that you can giclee. Screenprinting does not have limitations in this sense at all. It is difficult but worthwhile. We are currently working on a a print by kennard which is based in a Constable Oil painting. By comparison it would be very easy to do a Banksy Crude Oil screenprint and I for one would love to see it done.
Exciting - are you doing a version of Kennard's Haywain Cruise missile image? It's one of my favourites.
I think giclee is a bit lazy printing. It is possible to screenprint any image that you can giclee. Screenprinting does not have limitations in this sense at all. It is difficult but worthwhile. We are currently working on a a print by kennard which is based in a Constable Oil painting. By comparison it would be very easy to do a Banksy Crude Oil screenprint and I for one would love to see it done. Exciting - are you doing a version of Kennard's Haywain Cruise missile image? It's one of my favourites. |
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Turned off by Giclée, by corblimeylimey on Jun 8, 2007 18:16:34 GMT 1, I think giclee is a bit lazy printing. It is possible to screenprint any image that you can giclee. Screenprinting does not have limitations in this sense at all. It is difficult but worthwhile. We are currently working on a a print by kennard which is based in a Constable Oil painting. By comparison it would be very easy to do a Banksy Crude Oil screenprint and I for one would love to see it done.
Easy? screen printing is not my business, but I wouldn't call it easy unless you did a screen print in CMYK as a halftone, but the dots would be more course for screen printing than litho or giclee.
How else would you do it without printing in a dozen colours? and even then surely halftone dots still come into play?
I think giclee is a bit lazy printing. It is possible to screenprint any image that you can giclee. Screenprinting does not have limitations in this sense at all. It is difficult but worthwhile. We are currently working on a a print by kennard which is based in a Constable Oil painting. By comparison it would be very easy to do a Banksy Crude Oil screenprint and I for one would love to see it done. Easy? screen printing is not my business, but I wouldn't call it easy unless you did a screen print in CMYK as a halftone, but the dots would be more course for screen printing than litho or giclee. How else would you do it without printing in a dozen colours? and even then surely halftone dots still come into play? |
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Turned off by Giclée, by Strange Al on Jun 8, 2007 18:17:46 GMT 1, CBL - and so begins your descent into a life of forgery and crime 
CBL - and so begins your descent into a life of forgery and crime |
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Turned off by Giclée, by corblimeylimey on Jun 8, 2007 18:27:40 GMT 1, CBL - and so begins your descent into a life of forgery and crime
;D
The Jane Fonda pic was created by myself, (although Russell Young has done something similar the image isn't his) the Nowhere Bus is not an exact replica of Jamie Reids
CBL - and so begins your descent into a life of forgery and crime ;D The Jane Fonda pic was created by myself, (although Russell Young has done something similar the image isn't his) the Nowhere Bus is not an exact replica of Jamie Reids |
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Turned off by Giclée, by dave313perry on Jun 8, 2007 18:38:16 GMT 1, quote... "It is possible to screenprint any image that you can giclee. Screenprinting does not have limitations in this sense at all. It is difficult but worthwhile. We are currently working on a a print by kennard which is based in a Constable Oil painting. By comparison it would be very easy to do a Banksy Crude Oil screenprint and I for one would love to see it done."
That is the biggest load of tosh Iv ever heard!!! There is so much to consider. Registration, bleed, outputting of positives, screening etc etc, the list goes on, not to mention the factor of creating gradients!
I would love to know how you would plan to create an almost photographic image with a screen!! our printer would go mad if i tried to get him to print a repro an oil painting, i would also go mad setting up the artwork, only to find out after about 6months of trying that it cant be done...i await to be proved wrong!!!
Dave
quote... "It is possible to screenprint any image that you can giclee. Screenprinting does not have limitations in this sense at all. It is difficult but worthwhile. We are currently working on a a print by kennard which is based in a Constable Oil painting. By comparison it would be very easy to do a Banksy Crude Oil screenprint and I for one would love to see it done."
That is the biggest load of tosh Iv ever heard!!! There is so much to consider. Registration, bleed, outputting of positives, screening etc etc, the list goes on, not to mention the factor of creating gradients!
I would love to know how you would plan to create an almost photographic image with a screen!! our printer would go mad if i tried to get him to print a repro an oil painting, i would also go mad setting up the artwork, only to find out after about 6months of trying that it cant be done...i await to be proved wrong!!!
Dave
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Turned off by Giclée, by BlackRatPress on Jun 8, 2007 18:42:55 GMT 1, Dave
Ever seen a Matt Small screenprint? I like it you think it's tosh - prepared to be proven wrong lol I have seen a proof of the Kennatd Haywain and it is perfect. Use a better printers. There is a lot to consider and it takes time, effort and a lot of screens to get right but it is completely doable if you have the right people working on it and are willing to go through the pain to make it.
It will be out in 2 weeks so prepare to be impressed - it is perfect!
Dave
Ever seen a Matt Small screenprint? I like it you think it's tosh - prepared to be proven wrong lol I have seen a proof of the Kennatd Haywain and it is perfect. Use a better printers. There is a lot to consider and it takes time, effort and a lot of screens to get right but it is completely doable if you have the right people working on it and are willing to go through the pain to make it.
It will be out in 2 weeks so prepare to be impressed - it is perfect!
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Turned off by Giclée, by dave313perry on Jun 8, 2007 18:51:11 GMT 1, I dont need to use a better printers, we are the better printers!!! Matt smalls images are not photographic, atleast the ones i have seen are not photographic, they are abstract if anything, and the screenprints are made up of many block colours all layered, making about a 15-19 colour screenprint. Banksy's crude oils are exactly what that implies, created with oils and the multitude of tones would create a screenprint of about 50 screens plus! which as you should know is a massive amount of time and a waste of effort! not to mention how would you plan to align each colour correctly as there is no keyline? still waiting to be proved wrong...
I dont need to use a better printers, we are the better printers!!! Matt smalls images are not photographic, atleast the ones i have seen are not photographic, they are abstract if anything, and the screenprints are made up of many block colours all layered, making about a 15-19 colour screenprint. Banksy's crude oils are exactly what that implies, created with oils and the multitude of tones would create a screenprint of about 50 screens plus! which as you should know is a massive amount of time and a waste of effort! not to mention how would you plan to align each colour correctly as there is no keyline? still waiting to be proved wrong...
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Turned off by Giclée, by romanywg on Jun 8, 2007 18:54:12 GMT 1, Be prepared... Be very prepared!
Be prepared... Be very prepared!
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Turned off by Giclée, by BlackRatPress on Jun 8, 2007 18:57:00 GMT 1, you will be proved wrong as I have seen the proof. Which printers/publishers are you?
The Kennard image has at least as many vaiiants of colour as a banksy crude oil - indeed it could be a banksy crude oil and we have done it. Wait and see is all I can suggest. I think people woefully underestimate what can be done in screenprinting... and something being difficult is no reason not do do it. We could turn around a Banksy crude oil screenprint in under a month.
you will be proved wrong as I have seen the proof. Which printers/publishers are you?
The Kennard image has at least as many vaiiants of colour as a banksy crude oil - indeed it could be a banksy crude oil and we have done it. Wait and see is all I can suggest. I think people woefully underestimate what can be done in screenprinting... and something being difficult is no reason not do do it. We could turn around a Banksy crude oil screenprint in under a month.
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Turned off by Giclée, by BlackRatPress on Jun 8, 2007 19:00:46 GMT 1, and registration is hardly an issue when you have really good printers. I would happily make a 50 colour screenprint with no worries at all about registration if there was an image I wanted to make that needed that many screens. Be a bit pricey to make is the only concern not that it would be too difficult or not worth the effort. I don't think that making something difficult and with quality production is as you say ' a waste of effort'. I like the idea.
and registration is hardly an issue when you have really good printers. I would happily make a 50 colour screenprint with no worries at all about registration if there was an image I wanted to make that needed that many screens. Be a bit pricey to make is the only concern not that it would be too difficult or not worth the effort. I don't think that making something difficult and with quality production is as you say ' a waste of effort'. I like the idea.
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Turned off by Giclée, by dave313perry on Jun 8, 2007 19:09:39 GMT 1, Now im going to have to buy one! nice marketing ploy! 
Im sure you know all the facts about screenprinting so i cant see how you dont realise how you cannot make a photographic image into a screenprint without it seeming abstract! Screenprint is built up of dots, and overlapping dots! if you spend a lot of time and effort you can get a similar colour but this is built up of dots/ hence block colour! ok im going to stop now obviously look into my work far too much, if you look a wikipedia thing and you can be bothered to get your head round the physics of it then you will realise that a photographic image, or a repro of a detailed oil painting is not likely, thats not aimed at you fazeley just everyone I look forward to the release, how many screens is it?
Dave
Now im going to have to buy one! nice marketing ploy! Im sure you know all the facts about screenprinting so i cant see how you dont realise how you cannot make a photographic image into a screenprint without it seeming abstract! Screenprint is built up of dots, and overlapping dots! if you spend a lot of time and effort you can get a similar colour but this is built up of dots/ hence block colour! ok im going to stop now obviously look into my work far too much, if you look a wikipedia thing and you can be bothered to get your head round the physics of it then you will realise that a photographic image, or a repro of a detailed oil painting is not likely, thats not aimed at you fazeley just everyone I look forward to the release, how many screens is it? Dave |
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Turned off by Giclée, by BlackRatPress on Jun 8, 2007 19:20:27 GMT 1, Dave
Not all screenprints are made up of dots and none of ours are. If you have a chance to see one put it under a magnifying glass and have a look and you will see the difference and why we will be able to fully reproduce an oil painting. Anyway this will all be slightly academic in a couple of weeks when it comes out.
Dave
Not all screenprints are made up of dots and none of ours are. If you have a chance to see one put it under a magnifying glass and have a look and you will see the difference and why we will be able to fully reproduce an oil painting. Anyway this will all be slightly academic in a couple of weeks when it comes out.
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Turned off by Giclée, by dave313perry on Jun 8, 2007 19:30:35 GMT 1, its not the printing methods that are dots its the positives used to create the screens, thats the most complex way of creating a screen i know of, and the way of creating the nost accurate repro of an image, if there is another way i would like to know about it!!! 
its not the printing methods that are dots its the positives used to create the screens, thats the most complex way of creating a screen i know of, and the way of creating the nost accurate repro of an image, if there is another way i would like to know about it!!! |
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Turned off by Giclée, by dave313perry on Jun 8, 2007 19:33:56 GMT 1, i hope im proved wrong and im missing a trick because i will have a whole range of new ideas.......
i hope im proved wrong and im missing a trick because i will have a whole range of new ideas.......
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Turned off by Giclée, by taco on Jun 8, 2007 19:46:13 GMT 1, +1 for effort faz, look forward to seeing the results.... Best get some close up pics as well
+1 for effort faz, look forward to seeing the results.... Best get some close up pics as well |
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Turned off by Giclée, by ell on Jun 8, 2007 20:07:48 GMT 1, Love those images CBL
Love those images CBL
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Turned off by Giclée, by gordy on Jun 8, 2007 20:11:40 GMT 1, From what I have bought I just think that screenprints have more character than giclee ;D
From what I have bought I just think that screenprints have more character than giclee ;D
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Turned off by Giclée, by ABC on Jun 8, 2007 20:28:19 GMT 1, To be honest If I like the image I dont care how its done. After seeing Micallefs 21st Century/Neates Calm Fear I changed my perceptions on Giclees. Times change and medium moves on IMO.
To be honest If I like the image I dont care how its done. After seeing Micallefs 21st Century/Neates Calm Fear I changed my perceptions on Giclees. Times change and medium moves on IMO.
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Turned off by Giclée, by dave313perry on Jun 8, 2007 20:37:19 GMT 1, Yeah thats what its all about, if you like the image and can afford it and its a giclee get it in a frame and on your wall!!! but i do have deep reservations to how a gicless is going to hold up as an investment over the next 20 years, i know beejoir also has the same doubts. People are only just becoming aware of the mundane process involved with printing them and comparing to the skill and accuracy needed with screenprint and similar. Especially the prices that certain artists are goin for, the difference in price between a 19 colour matt small screen print and a giclee of a similar image is next to nothing, but the skill and exicution is vast!!! fact!
cheers Dave
Yeah thats what its all about, if you like the image and can afford it and its a giclee get it in a frame and on your wall!!! but i do have deep reservations to how a gicless is going to hold up as an investment over the next 20 years, i know beejoir also has the same doubts. People are only just becoming aware of the mundane process involved with printing them and comparing to the skill and accuracy needed with screenprint and similar. Especially the prices that certain artists are goin for, the difference in price between a 19 colour matt small screen print and a giclee of a similar image is next to nothing, but the skill and exicution is vast!!! fact!
cheers Dave
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Turned off by Giclée, by corblimeylimey on Jun 8, 2007 21:11:03 GMT 1, you will be proved wrong as I have seen the proof. Which printers/publishers are you? The Kennard image has at least as many vaiiants of colour as a banksy crude oil - indeed it could be a banksy crude oil and we have done it. Wait and see is all I can suggest. I think people woefully underestimate what can be done in screenprinting... and something being difficult is no reason not do do it. We could turn around a Banksy crude oil screenprint in under a month.
I said it wasn't easy ;D
All credit to you for pushing the envelope fazeley.
you will be proved wrong as I have seen the proof. Which printers/publishers are you? The Kennard image has at least as many vaiiants of colour as a banksy crude oil - indeed it could be a banksy crude oil and we have done it. Wait and see is all I can suggest. I think people woefully underestimate what can be done in screenprinting... and something being difficult is no reason not do do it. We could turn around a Banksy crude oil screenprint in under a month. I said it wasn't easy ;D All credit to you for pushing the envelope fazeley. |
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Turned off by Giclée, by Strange Al on Jun 8, 2007 21:23:51 GMT 1, Dave Ever seen a Matt Small screenprint? I like it you think it's tosh - prepared to be proven wrong lol I have seen a proof of the Kennatd Haywain and it is perfect. Use a better printers. There is a lot to consider and it takes time, effort and a lot of screens to get right but it is completely doable if you have the right people working on it and are willing to go through the pain to make it. It will be out in 2 weeks so prepare to be impressed - it is perfect!
So it is the Haywain that you're printing. Excellent - it's an awesome image and I'll definitely be saving my pennies for one.
Though haven't both Eyestorm and Kennard himself already sold editions of the Kennard Haywain? I have no doubt the version you're printing will be far superior in quality, but I still have some reservations about so called limited editions prints being re-issued.
Dave Ever seen a Matt Small screenprint? I like it you think it's tosh - prepared to be proven wrong lol I have seen a proof of the Kennatd Haywain and it is perfect. Use a better printers. There is a lot to consider and it takes time, effort and a lot of screens to get right but it is completely doable if you have the right people working on it and are willing to go through the pain to make it. It will be out in 2 weeks so prepare to be impressed - it is perfect! So it is the Haywain that you're printing. Excellent - it's an awesome image and I'll definitely be saving my pennies for one. Though haven't both Eyestorm and Kennard himself already sold editions of the Kennard Haywain? I have no doubt the version you're printing will be far superior in quality, but I still have some reservations about so called limited editions prints being re-issued. |
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Turned off by Giclée, by Catwoman on Jun 8, 2007 21:28:21 GMT 1, ...I'll have to +1 both faz and dave - i thought this thread was brilliant and for a non-printer-just-appreciate-what-i-like kind of man you've both taught me a lot through it! cheers!
...I'll have to +1 both faz and dave - i thought this thread was brilliant and for a non-printer-just-appreciate-what-i-like kind of man you've both taught me a lot through it! cheers!
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Turned off by Giclée, by ABC on Jun 9, 2007 15:40:45 GMT 1, Yeah thats what its all about, if you like the image and can afford it and its a giclee get it in a frame and on your wall!!! but i do have deep reservations to how a gicless is going to hold up as an investment over the next 20 years, i know beejoir also has the same doubts. People are only just becoming aware of the mundane process involved with printing them and comparing to the skill and accuracy needed with screenprint and similar. Especially the prices that certain artists are goin for, the difference in price between a 19 colour matt small screen print and a giclee of a similar image is next to nothing, but the skill and exicution is vast!!! fact! cheers Dave
I think the best screenprint I own is a Matt Small from BRP, far superier to any other to date, IMO of course. I think BRP are bringing old established and very technicle methods of screenprinting back from the grave. Without print houses like BRP we would more than likely be seeing Giclees in 5 years time from most places.
Yeah thats what its all about, if you like the image and can afford it and its a giclee get it in a frame and on your wall!!! but i do have deep reservations to how a gicless is going to hold up as an investment over the next 20 years, i know beejoir also has the same doubts. People are only just becoming aware of the mundane process involved with printing them and comparing to the skill and accuracy needed with screenprint and similar. Especially the prices that certain artists are goin for, the difference in price between a 19 colour matt small screen print and a giclee of a similar image is next to nothing, but the skill and exicution is vast!!! fact! cheers Dave I think the best screenprint I own is a Matt Small from BRP, far superier to any other to date, IMO of course. I think BRP are bringing old established and very technicle methods of screenprinting back from the grave. Without print houses like BRP we would more than likely be seeing Giclees in 5 years time from most places. |
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Turned off by Giclée, by ABC on Jun 9, 2007 15:41:35 GMT 1, Sorry about the spelling
Sorry about the spelling
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Turned off by Giclée, by misteraitch on Jun 10, 2007 10:26:26 GMT 1, Interesting thread this - along with images to be retired I think I should just give up now  ;D
As an aspiring artist I have neither the space or the funds to go down the screenprinting route, however, the inkjet print does allow me to get my work out there. I have noticed however that by simply changing papers that the quality of the image is far superior - ok, so it's still an inkjet (Giclée if you want to be posh about it) - but it really does make a difference.
As for it being a lazy printing method, I like to think that my time is put into creating the artwork not reproducing it time after time. I certainly don't think that Bansky hand pulls every print available on POW or any other artist linked with a print house for that matter (unless perhaps it's their print house) so I think that is really a mute point.
I would like to try screenprinting, but since I'm not a stencil artist, I would require more than one screen to produce most of my images, which in turn would bump up the price of my work - something I'd rather not do - especially as an unknown artist I don't want to charge over £100 for a piece (perhaps that's the Northener in me )
I do however like the fact that this forum allows artsits the opportunity to find out what the customer thinks, after all you're the ones spending the money, but for me what is important is that I like the image - not the medium!
Thanks MrH
Interesting thread this - along with images to be retired I think I should just give up now ;D As an aspiring artist I have neither the space or the funds to go down the screenprinting route, however, the inkjet print does allow me to get my work out there. I have noticed however that by simply changing papers that the quality of the image is far superior - ok, so it's still an inkjet (Giclée if you want to be posh about it) - but it really does make a difference. As for it being a lazy printing method, I like to think that my time is put into creating the artwork not reproducing it time after time. I certainly don't think that Bansky hand pulls every print available on POW or any other artist linked with a print house for that matter (unless perhaps it's their print house) so I think that is really a mute point. I would like to try screenprinting, but since I'm not a stencil artist, I would require more than one screen to produce most of my images, which in turn would bump up the price of my work - something I'd rather not do - especially as an unknown artist I don't want to charge over £100 for a piece (perhaps that's the Northener in me ) I do however like the fact that this forum allows artsits the opportunity to find out what the customer thinks, after all you're the ones spending the money, but for me what is important is that I like the image - not the medium! Thanks MrH |
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Turned off by Giclée, by corblimeylimey on Jun 10, 2007 12:20:32 GMT 1, Good points Mr H although "but for me what is important is that I like the image - not the medium!" the thing is, when people are spending a lot of money (I'm not saying your work is a lot of money) it must come into it.
I'm sure a lot of Banksy and Damien Hirst work has appeared in newspapers sunday supplements, and we all get pleasure from looking at the images, but cutting them out and sticking them in a frame is not quite the same.
Good points Mr H although "but for me what is important is that I like the image - not the medium!" the thing is, when people are spending a lot of money (I'm not saying your work is a lot of money) it must come into it.
I'm sure a lot of Banksy and Damien Hirst work has appeared in newspapers sunday supplements, and we all get pleasure from looking at the images, but cutting them out and sticking them in a frame is not quite the same.
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Turned off by Giclée, by dave313perry on Jun 10, 2007 13:29:10 GMT 1, "I think the best screenprint I own is a Matt Small from BRP, far superier to any other to date, IMO of course. I think BRP are bringing old established and very technicle methods of screenprinting back from the grave. Without print houses like BRP we would more than likely be seeing Giclees in 5 years time from most places."
I agree about the matt small totally i dont have it but a friend does and its amazing, something a giclee could never do justice to IMO. its and art in itself creating a 19 colour screenprint, see graham illingworth for how technical and accute you can get with screenprinting! I had a word with my boss whois been in the industry all his life (and its a long one!!!) and his comms were...
"You can do a 4 colour screenprint but it will still be made up of dots though. If the image is large enough it wont look too bad from a distance. we have an example at work of a watercolour painting, and if it is a small image then you may as well forget it!"
Hope this thread has been helpful to people and i look forward to BRP new releases seems they are really trying to push the boundaries, and i will post some pics of the example we have lying around if im not too busy monday morning, cheers everyone
Dave
"I think the best screenprint I own is a Matt Small from BRP, far superier to any other to date, IMO of course. I think BRP are bringing old established and very technicle methods of screenprinting back from the grave. Without print houses like BRP we would more than likely be seeing Giclees in 5 years time from most places."
I agree about the matt small totally i dont have it but a friend does and its amazing, something a giclee could never do justice to IMO. its and art in itself creating a 19 colour screenprint, see graham illingworth for how technical and accute you can get with screenprinting! I had a word with my boss whois been in the industry all his life (and its a long one!!!) and his comms were...
"You can do a 4 colour screenprint but it will still be made up of dots though. If the image is large enough it wont look too bad from a distance. we have an example at work of a watercolour painting, and if it is a small image then you may as well forget it!"
Hope this thread has been helpful to people and i look forward to BRP new releases seems they are really trying to push the boundaries, and i will post some pics of the example we have lying around if im not too busy monday morning, cheers everyone
Dave
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Turned off by Giclée, by misteraitch on Jun 10, 2007 13:51:28 GMT 1, the thing is, when people are spending a lot of money (I'm not saying your work is a lot of money) it must come into it.
Cheers CBL - deciding upon a reasonable price for a piece of work is the hardest part for me 
You are of course right - some of the prices that are charged for inkjet prints are absolutely outrageous, but then I also think that some of the prices for a stencil sprayed canvas are even worse - especially from new artists. OK, so there are minor discrepancies betwen each canvas making each one slightly original - but does that justify the price?
That said, if a piece of work is digital and only avaialbe as a print with no canvases or originals produced then surely the prints are as valid as any other medium
Perhaps the real issue is how much effort was put into creating the piece of work as opposed to how much time was spent creating the print?
the thing is, when people are spending a lot of money (I'm not saying your work is a lot of money) it must come into it. Cheers CBL - deciding upon a reasonable price for a piece of work is the hardest part for me You are of course right - some of the prices that are charged for inkjet prints are absolutely outrageous, but then I also think that some of the prices for a stencil sprayed canvas are even worse - especially from new artists. OK, so there are minor discrepancies betwen each canvas making each one slightly original - but does that justify the price? That said, if a piece of work is digital and only avaialbe as a print with no canvases or originals produced then surely the prints are as valid as any other medium Perhaps the real issue is how much effort was put into creating the piece of work as opposed to how much time was spent creating the print? |
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Turned off by Giclée, by corblimeylimey on Jun 10, 2007 14:10:21 GMT 1, Of course Mr H, you could have a wonderfully printed, embossed, gold foiled, signed, fancy art paper etc etc and if the image is a pile of crap the reproduction won't do it any favours, on the other hand a wonderful piece of art could be let down by a very poor reproduction.
Art is a really weird world though isn't it, common sense sometimes doesn't even come into it
How about this as an example of how much time, skill and effort that was put into it.
(£141inc VAT + P&P)
Of course Mr H, you could have a wonderfully printed, embossed, gold foiled, signed, fancy art paper etc etc and if the image is a pile of crap the reproduction won't do it any favours, on the other hand a wonderful piece of art could be let down by a very poor reproduction. Art is a really weird world though isn't it, common sense sometimes doesn't even come into it How about this as an example of how much time, skill and effort that was put into it. (£141inc VAT + P&P) |
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