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Sepia Morons, by smartussi on Apr 1, 2007 19:40:21 GMT 1, I'm retracting my offer from this site.
It is apparent from the multiple rude PM's and my plummeting respect score that no one around here wants to be even offered the chance at trading for this print that they may have missed out on. Instead they want to remain bitter about the current state of affairs in the Banksy print world, and take it out on people who were lucky enough to have scored prints and are being kind enough to set up a possible trade.
Good Day.
I'm retracting my offer from this site.
It is apparent from the multiple rude PM's and my plummeting respect score that no one around here wants to be even offered the chance at trading for this print that they may have missed out on. Instead they want to remain bitter about the current state of affairs in the Banksy print world, and take it out on people who were lucky enough to have scored prints and are being kind enough to set up a possible trade.
Good Day.
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Sepia Morons, by Strange Al on Apr 1, 2007 20:11:37 GMT 1, I respectfully disagree with your assessment on the future relevance of the Morons image. Whether Banksy's star continues to rise or it falls off the end of a cliff, it's the built in bitter irony of the message in Morons that will, in my opinion, actually make it a classic. With the Morons image, our man B has tapped into a timeless universal human truth that's just blatantly honest. It actually makes me think of another timeless artist: Warhol (when he would day, in interviews, "it's easy...I like to copy...it gives me something to do...my assistants help me...etc.")....
dkla - I'm all for a little disagreement and debate on the forum. If everyone had the same views it would be a pretty pointless exercise posting anything.
Like I've stated in other threads, I'm a big fan of the concept of the Morons piece and agree that the message is pretty timeless. It goes to the very heart of the debate on the value of art and this ain't going to be resolved anytime soon. I do think the piece has added impact because it was obviously conceived at the time when the Banksy market exploded and the art establishment came to accept him. It must be incredibly difficult for Banksy, the agit-pop artist, to accept that he's now part of the system.
The reason I don't believe this piece is quite in the same class as some of Banksy's other prints and therefore won't be one of the real classics is the nature of the execution. It's been said before, but to me the style of the morons image is that of a political cartoonist (and not a particularly accomplished one at that). I'm all for an artist exploring different mediums and methods. Though, I don't think that Banksy's illustrative works are half as powerful as his more traditional stencil based street work.
I respectfully disagree with your assessment on the future relevance of the Morons image. Whether Banksy's star continues to rise or it falls off the end of a cliff, it's the built in bitter irony of the message in Morons that will, in my opinion, actually make it a classic. With the Morons image, our man B has tapped into a timeless universal human truth that's just blatantly honest. It actually makes me think of another timeless artist: Warhol (when he would day, in interviews, "it's easy...I like to copy...it gives me something to do...my assistants help me...etc.").... dkla - I'm all for a little disagreement and debate on the forum. If everyone had the same views it would be a pretty pointless exercise posting anything. Like I've stated in other threads, I'm a big fan of the concept of the Morons piece and agree that the message is pretty timeless. It goes to the very heart of the debate on the value of art and this ain't going to be resolved anytime soon. I do think the piece has added impact because it was obviously conceived at the time when the Banksy market exploded and the art establishment came to accept him. It must be incredibly difficult for Banksy, the agit-pop artist, to accept that he's now part of the system. The reason I don't believe this piece is quite in the same class as some of Banksy's other prints and therefore won't be one of the real classics is the nature of the execution. It's been said before, but to me the style of the morons image is that of a political cartoonist (and not a particularly accomplished one at that). I'm all for an artist exploring different mediums and methods. Though, I don't think that Banksy's illustrative works are half as powerful as his more traditional stencil based street work. |
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Sepia Morons, by ogrgel on Apr 1, 2007 20:31:50 GMT 1, .. I think that whoever didn't get Morons on thursday or friday shouldn't go yet to ebay .. as we all know from recent weeks POW has some behind the sofa for sure ..
.. just be patient and practice your f5 finger ..
.. I think that whoever didn't get Morons on thursday or friday shouldn't go yet to ebay .. as we all know from recent weeks POW has some behind the sofa for sure ..
.. just be patient and practice your f5 finger ..
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Sepia Morons, by dkla on Apr 1, 2007 22:47:54 GMT 1, I have to agree with you there, jjoschi44. That's why I laughed out loud at POW's description of the print. I think the fact that the image is rather "crap" makes it an even stronger piece of art, due to the nature of the message.  I guess we'll both see down the road whether it stands the test of time. One thing is for sure: regardless of the merit of any individual work, Banksy as an artist will most definitely stand the test of time. I have no doubt about that whatsoever and it sounds like you agree with that notion as well.
I have to agree with you there, jjoschi44. That's why I laughed out loud at POW's description of the print. I think the fact that the image is rather "crap" makes it an even stronger piece of art, due to the nature of the message. I guess we'll both see down the road whether it stands the test of time. One thing is for sure: regardless of the merit of any individual work, Banksy as an artist will most definitely stand the test of time. I have no doubt about that whatsoever and it sounds like you agree with that notion as well. |
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Sepia Morons, by tomhills1 on Apr 1, 2007 23:06:40 GMT 1, I respectfully disagree with your assessment on the future relevance of the Morons image. Whether Banksy's star continues to rise or it falls off the end of a cliff, it's the built in bitter irony of the message in Morons that will, in my opinion, actually make it a classic. With the Morons image, our man B has tapped into a timeless universal human truth that's just blatantly honest. It actually makes me think of another timeless artist: Warhol (when he would day, in interviews, "it's easy...I like to copy...it gives me something to do...my assistants help me...etc.").... dkla - I'm all for a little disagreement and debate on the forum. If everyone had the same views it would be a pretty pointless exercise posting anything. Like I've stated in other threads, I'm a big fan of the concept of the Morons piece and agree that the message is pretty timeless. It goes to the very heart of the debate on the value of art and this ain't going to be resolved anytime soon. I do think the piece has added impact because it was obviously conceived at the time when the Banksy market exploded and the art establishment came to accept him. It must be incredibly difficult for Banksy, the agit-pop artist, to accept that he's now part of the system. The reason I don't believe this piece is quite in the same class as some of Banksy's other prints and therefore won't be one of the real classics is the nature of the execution. It's been said before, but to me the style of the morons image is that of a political cartoonist (and not a particularly accomplished one at that). I'm all for an artist exploring different mediums and methods. Though, I don't think that Banksy's illustrative works are half as powerful as his more traditional stencil based street work.
i agree 1,000,000%. so true.
I respectfully disagree with your assessment on the future relevance of the Morons image. Whether Banksy's star continues to rise or it falls off the end of a cliff, it's the built in bitter irony of the message in Morons that will, in my opinion, actually make it a classic. With the Morons image, our man B has tapped into a timeless universal human truth that's just blatantly honest. It actually makes me think of another timeless artist: Warhol (when he would day, in interviews, "it's easy...I like to copy...it gives me something to do...my assistants help me...etc.").... dkla - I'm all for a little disagreement and debate on the forum. If everyone had the same views it would be a pretty pointless exercise posting anything. Like I've stated in other threads, I'm a big fan of the concept of the Morons piece and agree that the message is pretty timeless. It goes to the very heart of the debate on the value of art and this ain't going to be resolved anytime soon. I do think the piece has added impact because it was obviously conceived at the time when the Banksy market exploded and the art establishment came to accept him. It must be incredibly difficult for Banksy, the agit-pop artist, to accept that he's now part of the system. The reason I don't believe this piece is quite in the same class as some of Banksy's other prints and therefore won't be one of the real classics is the nature of the execution. It's been said before, but to me the style of the morons image is that of a political cartoonist (and not a particularly accomplished one at that). I'm all for an artist exploring different mediums and methods. Though, I don't think that Banksy's illustrative works are half as powerful as his more traditional stencil based street work. i agree 1,000,000%. so true. |
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Sepia Morons, by dwight on Apr 2, 2007 1:44:34 GMT 1, .. I think that whoever didn't get Morons on thursday or friday shouldn't go yet to ebay .. as we all know from recent weeks POW has some behind the sofa for sure .. .. just be patient and practice your f5 finger ..
I have no doubt that there are still prints that didn't sell because of duplicate orders etc... Whether they will come available on POW or not...who knows.
.. I think that whoever didn't get Morons on thursday or friday shouldn't go yet to ebay .. as we all know from recent weeks POW has some behind the sofa for sure .. .. just be patient and practice your f5 finger .. I have no doubt that there are still prints that didn't sell because of duplicate orders etc... Whether they will come available on POW or not...who knows. |
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Sepia Morons, by deeromicus on Apr 2, 2007 2:57:00 GMT 1, you have my respect, smartussi.
I can't see how there is anything wrong with testing the waters on a trade. You never said that you didn't want this print, just that there were others you liked better and if someone with a print you really want had compatible sentiments, you'd like to work something out.
you have my respect, smartussi.
I can't see how there is anything wrong with testing the waters on a trade. You never said that you didn't want this print, just that there were others you liked better and if someone with a print you really want had compatible sentiments, you'd like to work something out.
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Sepia Morons, by smartussi on Apr 2, 2007 4:40:43 GMT 1, you have my respect, smartussi. I can't see how there is anything wrong with testing the waters on a trade. You never said that you didn't want this print, just that there were others you liked better and if someone with a print you really want had compatible sentiments, you'd like to work something out.
Exactly, thank you 
you have my respect, smartussi. I can't see how there is anything wrong with testing the waters on a trade. You never said that you didn't want this print, just that there were others you liked better and if someone with a print you really want had compatible sentiments, you'd like to work something out. Exactly, thank you |
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Sepia Morons, by gbh on Apr 2, 2007 8:25:38 GMT 1, zing
zing
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Sepia Morons, by pezlow on Apr 2, 2007 9:53:37 GMT 1, A signed and a sepia eh Smartussi. And both available to trade.... But of course you still like the image.
A signed and a sepia eh Smartussi. And both available to trade.... But of course you still like the image.
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Sepia Morons, by beejoir1 on Apr 2, 2007 10:08:47 GMT 1, ........................
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Sepia Morons, by gbh on Apr 2, 2007 10:21:19 GMT 1, OK, can I have my respect points back now whoever the genius was that tea leafed them.
8+)
OK, can I have my respect points back now whoever the genius was that tea leafed them.
8+)
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Sepia Morons, by Strange Al on Apr 2, 2007 10:48:25 GMT 1, I have to agree with you there, jjoschi44. That's why I laughed out loud at POW's description of the print. I think the fact that the image is rather "crap" makes it an even stronger piece of art, due to the nature of the message. I guess we'll both see down the road whether it stands the test of time. One thing is for sure: regardless of the merit of any individual work, Banksy as an artist will most definitely stand the test of time. I have no doubt about that whatsoever and it sounds like you agree with that notion as well.
I too laughed at the POW description and agree that the style of the picture adds to the joke. Unfortunately, this particular illustrative style is not confined to the Morons image. For example, it's used in the Festival image as well and it's difficult to level the same justification in respect of that image.
Either way, I completely agree that Banksy has already ensured his place in British art history. Did you happen to read the article by Waldemar Januszczak in this week's Sunday Times Magazine? It was about which of the crop of recent British artists (last 50 years) he considered to be future "old masters". Save to say, Banksy was among them.
I have to agree with you there, jjoschi44. That's why I laughed out loud at POW's description of the print. I think the fact that the image is rather "crap" makes it an even stronger piece of art, due to the nature of the message. I guess we'll both see down the road whether it stands the test of time. One thing is for sure: regardless of the merit of any individual work, Banksy as an artist will most definitely stand the test of time. I have no doubt about that whatsoever and it sounds like you agree with that notion as well. I too laughed at the POW description and agree that the style of the picture adds to the joke. Unfortunately, this particular illustrative style is not confined to the Morons image. For example, it's used in the Festival image as well and it's difficult to level the same justification in respect of that image. Either way, I completely agree that Banksy has already ensured his place in British art history. Did you happen to read the article by Waldemar Januszczak in this week's Sunday Times Magazine? It was about which of the crop of recent British artists (last 50 years) he considered to be future "old masters". Save to say, Banksy was among them. |
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Sepia Morons, by bristolmassive on Apr 2, 2007 10:52:11 GMT 1, OK, can I have my respect points back now whoever the genius was that tea leafed them. 8+)
there you go gbh - ;D
OK, can I have my respect points back now whoever the genius was that tea leafed them. 8+) there you go gbh - ;D |
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Sepia Morons, by biggayal on Apr 2, 2007 11:00:46 GMT 1,
Are you a detective by trade by any chance - really made me laugh that ;D ;D ;D
Are you a detective by trade by any chance - really made me laugh that ;D ;D ;D |
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Sepia Morons, by smartussi on Apr 2, 2007 15:40:52 GMT 1,
Thanks for pointing out my mistake
You guys are really gung-ho and sensitive aye?
Thanks for pointing out my mistake You guys are really gung-ho and sensitive aye? |
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I guess we'll both see down the road whether it stands the test of time. One thing is for sure: regardless of the merit of any individual work, Banksy as an artist will most definitely stand the test of time. I have no doubt about that whatsoever and it sounds like you agree with that notion as well.
