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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by mustard on May 13, 2011 1:19:38 GMT 1, Yes!! We invented it and now we're going to Kill It!!
Although Thierry IS a transplant..
Yes!! We invented it and now we're going to Kill It!!
Although Thierry IS a transplant..
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Wearology on May 13, 2011 1:32:46 GMT 1, Who ever this guy Mr. Art is - I hope we didn't kill him by accident.
Who ever this guy Mr. Art is - I hope we didn't kill him by accident.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by mmmike on May 13, 2011 3:09:36 GMT 1, When it comes down to it regarding Mr Brainwash I think the Covergirl print is brilliant and if he was to carefully vet the work his team are producing and just release one or two a year he could possibly be taken for a great artist, but unfortunately Covergirl is just a rare gem among a pile of mediocre work and as such it will be devalued as a piece of art.
What makes Cover girl a gem? Because Kate is hot? Other than that I don't see what this print has going for it. There are so many better Kate works. Many for less money.
When it comes down to it regarding Mr Brainwash I think the Covergirl print is brilliant and if he was to carefully vet the work his team are producing and just release one or two a year he could possibly be taken for a great artist, but unfortunately Covergirl is just a rare gem among a pile of mediocre work and as such it will be devalued as a piece of art. What makes Cover girl a gem? Because Kate is hot? Other than that I don't see what this print has going for it. There are so many better Kate works. Many for less money.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by mmmike on May 13, 2011 3:11:16 GMT 1, Blame Canada! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Blame Canada! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png)
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by heathunter881 on May 13, 2011 3:22:44 GMT 1, imho shepard fairey is a great artist. true, he creates a lot of work, however his prices are very reasonable for a world known artist. comparing fairey to mbw isnt even close. to me brainwash is not an artist. his team creates some good art but is no meaning behind it, it's all astetics. the worst part is that mbw charges an arm and a leg for his work. beautiful images shouldn't cost collectors a few hundred just because it looks good. reputation should make your price point a bit higher but not in the $300 range. brainwash is a great marketer because he knows americans are into pop art and he's capitalizing on it.
my question why are there more sophisticated art coming from the uk than in america? to me it seems that art in the uk are more well put together, more profound. just my obsevation
imho shepard fairey is a great artist. true, he creates a lot of work, however his prices are very reasonable for a world known artist. comparing fairey to mbw isnt even close. to me brainwash is not an artist. his team creates some good art but is no meaning behind it, it's all astetics. the worst part is that mbw charges an arm and a leg for his work. beautiful images shouldn't cost collectors a few hundred just because it looks good. reputation should make your price point a bit higher but not in the $300 range. brainwash is a great marketer because he knows americans are into pop art and he's capitalizing on it.
my question why are there more sophisticated art coming from the uk than in america? to me it seems that art in the uk are more well put together, more profound. just my obsevation
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by brazzy on May 13, 2011 5:25:38 GMT 1, Stupid Americans, always killing things! I blame it on all that rap music they listen to.
::shakes fist at America::
Stupid Americans, always killing things! I blame it on all that rap music they listen to.
::shakes fist at America::
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by pcant on May 13, 2011 5:47:33 GMT 1, Good thing Faile and Bast are UK artists and Cartrain is from LA. Oh, wait... OK, I'm kidding, but there's crap art out there from a lot of sources, not sure the US has the corner on that.
Good thing Faile and Bast are UK artists and Cartrain is from LA. Oh, wait... OK, I'm kidding, but there's crap art out there from a lot of sources, not sure the US has the corner on that.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by brazzy on May 13, 2011 6:29:27 GMT 1, Good thing Faile and Bast are UK artists and Cartrain is from LA. Oh, wait... OK, I'm kidding, but there's crap art out there from a lot of sources, not sure the US has the corner on that.
Yeah, and I believe kaws, parla, and Keyes are all from Britain too, right?
Hooray for dumb generalizations!
Good thing Faile and Bast are UK artists and Cartrain is from LA. Oh, wait... OK, I'm kidding, but there's crap art out there from a lot of sources, not sure the US has the corner on that. Yeah, and I believe kaws, parla, and Keyes are all from Britain too, right? Hooray for dumb generalizations!
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by fielder on May 13, 2011 8:09:49 GMT 1, Calling this thread 'Are the Americans Killing Urban Art?' is offensive and ridiculous. How do regular releases by artists such as Shep and Mr Brainwash affect the sales and value of all the other artists on the scene? I couldn't care less how many Shep or Brainwash prints are out there. The only thing that could be 'killed' is the desirability and value of their own work. Shep has proved there is a sustainable market for his regular releases and Brainwash is crap so who cares? Try not to lose any sleep over it.
Calling this thread 'Are the Americans Killing Urban Art?' is offensive and ridiculous. How do regular releases by artists such as Shep and Mr Brainwash affect the sales and value of all the other artists on the scene? I couldn't care less how many Shep or Brainwash prints are out there. The only thing that could be 'killed' is the desirability and value of their own work. Shep has proved there is a sustainable market for his regular releases and Brainwash is crap so who cares? Try not to lose any sleep over it.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by johnnyh on May 13, 2011 8:18:31 GMT 1, Also depends on what maths you use.
USA over 300 million UK 53 million
per population regardless of MBW nationality Banksy has released more
Banksy 2 releases in 6 months - ratio 1 release per 25 million pepole
MBW would need to do one release per month for the same population ratio
not saying this is correct as avail to everyone but just to look at a different angle and consider the options!!!
johnnyh
Also depends on what maths you use.
USA over 300 million UK 53 million
per population regardless of MBW nationality Banksy has released more
Banksy 2 releases in 6 months - ratio 1 release per 25 million pepole
MBW would need to do one release per month for the same population ratio
not saying this is correct as avail to everyone but just to look at a different angle and consider the options!!!
johnnyh
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by gibbin82 on May 13, 2011 9:02:12 GMT 1, Calling this thread 'Are the Americans Killing Urban Art?' is offensive and ridiculous. How do regular releases by artists such as Shep and Mr Brainwash affect the sales and value of all the other artists on the scene? I couldn't care less how many Shep or Brainwash prints are out there. The only thing that could be 'killed' is the desirability and value of their own work. Shep has proved there is a sustainable market for his regular releases and Brainwash is crap so who cares? Try not to lose any sleep over it.
Although the title of the thread is a generalization it is not necessarily an opinion and definitely not a fact, it is just a topic for debate and discussion ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
The title is "Are the Americanskilling Urban Art" and not The Americans are killing Urban Art
It also says "SOME" Americans and not ALL Americans in the first post.
So you are right it is not anything to lose sleep over
Calling this thread 'Are the Americans Killing Urban Art?' is offensive and ridiculous. How do regular releases by artists such as Shep and Mr Brainwash affect the sales and value of all the other artists on the scene? I couldn't care less how many Shep or Brainwash prints are out there. The only thing that could be 'killed' is the desirability and value of their own work. Shep has proved there is a sustainable market for his regular releases and Brainwash is crap so who cares? Try not to lose any sleep over it. Although the title of the thread is a generalization it is not necessarily an opinion and definitely not a fact, it is just a topic for debate and discussion ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) The title is " Are the Americanskilling Urban Art" and not The Americans are killing Urban Art It also says "SOME" Americans and not ALL Americans in the first post. So you are right it is not anything to lose sleep over
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Drymounted on May 13, 2011 9:21:08 GMT 1, Yes...You Brits are much wiser, and much better than us 'dum amerikuns'. Some of the ignorance in this thread is astounding.
Nothing is killing Urban Art. If anything, it is climbing in popularity as we speak. Also, keep in mind where some of street art's greatest artists and pioneers came from. I'm pretty sure that without LA and NYC, urban art wouldn't be where it is today. Yes, Banksy played a big part, but think about who paved the way.
Just because something rises from the underground, doesn't mean a genre is being killed. It just means that more people are exposed to it, and that some mainstream dilution is bound to occur.
Yes...You Brits are much wiser, and much better than us 'dum amerikuns'. Some of the ignorance in this thread is astounding.
Nothing is killing Urban Art. If anything, it is climbing in popularity as we speak. Also, keep in mind where some of street art's greatest artists and pioneers came from. I'm pretty sure that without LA and NYC, urban art wouldn't be where it is today. Yes, Banksy played a big part, but think about who paved the way.
Just because something rises from the underground, doesn't mean a genre is being killed. It just means that more people are exposed to it, and that some mainstream dilution is bound to occur.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by bazzj04 on May 13, 2011 9:26:37 GMT 1, m afraid of Americans I'm afraid of the world I'm afraid I can't help it I'm afraid I can't
m afraid of Americans I'm afraid of the world I'm afraid I can't help it I'm afraid I can't
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Deleted on May 13, 2011 10:12:44 GMT 1, Calling this thread 'Are the Americans Killing Urban Art?' is offensive and ridiculous. How do regular releases by artists such as Shep and Mr Brainwash affect the sales and value of all the other artists on the scene? I couldn't care less how many Shep or Brainwash prints are out there. The only thing that could be 'killed' is the desirability and value of their own work. Shep has proved there is a sustainable market for his regular releases and Brainwash is crap so who cares? Try not to lose any sleep over it. Although the title of the thread is a generalization it is not necessarily an opinion and definitely not a fact, it is just a topic for debate and discussion ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) The title is " Are the Americanskilling Urban Art" and not The Americans are killing Urban Art It also says "SOME" Americans and not ALL Americans in the first post. So you are right it is not anything to lose sleep over
I'd say MBW is something of an anomaly in the "scene" and not really a street/urban artist as such. Kinda like the Sigue Sigue Sputnik of urban art, if that's too obscure a reference then let's say Milli Vanilli. Shep's street and fine art work is comparable with anything in contemporary art. The US's scenes history in breaking the stranglehold of a few dealers and museums in the "fine art" field is incomparable. McGee, Kilgallen, Mission School, Templeton, Beautiful Losers, Spike Jonze, Larry Clarke, Terry Richardson, Alife etc etc all the way to Fairey, Faile, Espo, Bast etc ..their "urban" art has reverberated through two generations and influenced so many aspects of mainstream culture. From skate to sneaker culture to high fashion to design, music.... and all the way into contemporary fine art and latterly museums. And they've done it with Soul. True artists living the values that every major brand wants to be associated with..in order to sell those same values to those stuck in offices and the daily grind.
The UK apart from Banksy has given us what ? Run of the mill graphic design that bites the style of everything listed above. It's still in its infancy here I know..but we can only hope the UK's recent (5 years) "take the money and run" attitude doesn't spread through Europe.. doubtful with the likes of Blu, Vhils and co around I guess... But yeah, I think we'd do well in the UK to stand back a little and support those here who really dig a little deeper and inject some genuine soul and passion into their work and.... the scene in general..
All, "IMO" of course.
thoughts ?
Calling this thread 'Are the Americans Killing Urban Art?' is offensive and ridiculous. How do regular releases by artists such as Shep and Mr Brainwash affect the sales and value of all the other artists on the scene? I couldn't care less how many Shep or Brainwash prints are out there. The only thing that could be 'killed' is the desirability and value of their own work. Shep has proved there is a sustainable market for his regular releases and Brainwash is crap so who cares? Try not to lose any sleep over it. Although the title of the thread is a generalization it is not necessarily an opinion and definitely not a fact, it is just a topic for debate and discussion ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) The title is " Are the Americanskilling Urban Art" and not The Americans are killing Urban Art It also says "SOME" Americans and not ALL Americans in the first post. So you are right it is not anything to lose sleep over I'd say MBW is something of an anomaly in the "scene" and not really a street/urban artist as such. Kinda like the Sigue Sigue Sputnik of urban art, if that's too obscure a reference then let's say Milli Vanilli. Shep's street and fine art work is comparable with anything in contemporary art. The US's scenes history in breaking the stranglehold of a few dealers and museums in the "fine art" field is incomparable. McGee, Kilgallen, Mission School, Templeton, Beautiful Losers, Spike Jonze, Larry Clarke, Terry Richardson, Alife etc etc all the way to Fairey, Faile, Espo, Bast etc ..their "urban" art has reverberated through two generations and influenced so many aspects of mainstream culture. From skate to sneaker culture to high fashion to design, music.... and all the way into contemporary fine art and latterly museums. And they've done it with Soul. True artists living the values that every major brand wants to be associated with..in order to sell those same values to those stuck in offices and the daily grind. The UK apart from Banksy has given us what ? Run of the mill graphic design that bites the style of everything listed above. It's still in its infancy here I know..but we can only hope the UK's recent (5 years) "take the money and run" attitude doesn't spread through Europe.. doubtful with the likes of Blu, Vhils and co around I guess... But yeah, I think we'd do well in the UK to stand back a little and support those here who really dig a little deeper and inject some genuine soul and passion into their work and.... the scene in general.. All, "IMO" of course. thoughts ?
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by balibob on May 13, 2011 10:13:05 GMT 1, I like prolific artists because for me, I dont tend to like everything an artist produces. Being prolific lets the fans be selective so it doesn't matter how many pieces of work anybody churns out, just buy the ones you like and leave the rest. I've only really liked 1 of the 10 or so latest Shep's and not once did i think on the others 'its a new SF, i have to buy it'.
MBW really should release more art, mainly because i don't think he's produced any yet. ;D
I like prolific artists because for me, I dont tend to like everything an artist produces. Being prolific lets the fans be selective so it doesn't matter how many pieces of work anybody churns out, just buy the ones you like and leave the rest. I've only really liked 1 of the 10 or so latest Shep's and not once did i think on the others 'its a new SF, i have to buy it'.
MBW really should release more art, mainly because i don't think he's produced any yet. ;D
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by gibbin82 on May 13, 2011 11:00:27 GMT 1, Although the title of the thread is a generalization it is not necessarily an opinion and definitely not a fact, it is just a topic for debate and discussion ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) The title is " Are the Americanskilling Urban Art" and not The Americans are killing Urban Art It also says "SOME" Americans and not ALL Americans in the first post. So you are right it is not anything to lose sleep over I'd say MBW is something of an anomaly in the "scene" and not really a street/urban artist as such. Kinda like the Sigue Sigue Sputnik of urban art, if that's too obscure a reference then let's say Milli Vanilli. Shep's street and fine art work is comparable with anything in contemporary art. The US's scenes history in breaking the stranglehold of a few dealers and museums in the "fine art" field is incomparable. McGee, Kilgallen, Mission School, Templeton, Beautiful Losers, Spike Jonze, Larry Clarke, Terry Richardson, Alife etc etc all the way to Fairey, Faile, Espo, Bast etc ..their "urban" art has reverberated through two generations and influenced so many aspects of mainstream culture. From skate to sneaker culture to high fashion to design, music.... and all the way into contemporary fine art and latterly museums. And they've done it with Soul. True artists living the values that every major brand wants to be associated with..in order to sell those same values to those stuck in offices and the daily grind. The UK apart from Banksy has given us what ? Run of the mill graphic design that bites the style of everything listed above. It's still in its infancy here I know..but we can only hope the UK's recent (5 years) "take the money and run" attitude doesn't spread through Europe.. doubtful with the likes of Blu, Vhils and co around I guess... But yeah, I think we'd do well in the UK to stand back a little and support those here who really dig a little deeper and inject some genuine soul and passion into their work and.... the scene in general.. All, "IMO" of course. thoughts ?
Some great and interesting (non flag waiving) comments there and some names I have not heard for years
Although the title of the thread is a generalization it is not necessarily an opinion and definitely not a fact, it is just a topic for debate and discussion ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) The title is " Are the Americanskilling Urban Art" and not The Americans are killing Urban Art It also says "SOME" Americans and not ALL Americans in the first post. So you are right it is not anything to lose sleep over I'd say MBW is something of an anomaly in the "scene" and not really a street/urban artist as such. Kinda like the Sigue Sigue Sputnik of urban art, if that's too obscure a reference then let's say Milli Vanilli. Shep's street and fine art work is comparable with anything in contemporary art. The US's scenes history in breaking the stranglehold of a few dealers and museums in the "fine art" field is incomparable. McGee, Kilgallen, Mission School, Templeton, Beautiful Losers, Spike Jonze, Larry Clarke, Terry Richardson, Alife etc etc all the way to Fairey, Faile, Espo, Bast etc ..their "urban" art has reverberated through two generations and influenced so many aspects of mainstream culture. From skate to sneaker culture to high fashion to design, music.... and all the way into contemporary fine art and latterly museums. And they've done it with Soul. True artists living the values that every major brand wants to be associated with..in order to sell those same values to those stuck in offices and the daily grind. The UK apart from Banksy has given us what ? Run of the mill graphic design that bites the style of everything listed above. It's still in its infancy here I know..but we can only hope the UK's recent (5 years) "take the money and run" attitude doesn't spread through Europe.. doubtful with the likes of Blu, Vhils and co around I guess... But yeah, I think we'd do well in the UK to stand back a little and support those here who really dig a little deeper and inject some genuine soul and passion into their work and.... the scene in general.. All, "IMO" of course. thoughts ? Some great and interesting (non flag waiving) comments there and some names I have not heard for years
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on May 13, 2011 11:09:20 GMT 1, Fairey has been releasing prints at a prodigious rate for the past decade.... and like the man says, MBW is French.
Apart from the word 'prodigious'... you took the words right out of mouth!!! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
Fairey has been releasing prints at a prodigious rate for the past decade.... and like the man says, MBW is French. Apart from the word 'prodigious'... you took the words right out of mouth!!!
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Brushstrokes 75 on May 13, 2011 11:17:58 GMT 1, I join johnny there.
The market size is totally different. If you count US + Canada, the population is almost 350 million (2010 numbers).
Problem with Mr B. for example is that people rush to buy without knowing what exactly is going to be released. Last release, people start queuing without knowing the colourway or the edition size!
Then, people tends to only buy names over something they like. At least as bali said, you can choose something you like.
Afterwards, you're talking about people spending money on lower quality art because quality art is released less often. Not really sure about that. Personal question : Gibs, Did you buy any MBW print lately? Answer is probably no. So I'm not sure that markets completely overlap here. There might be a few MBW collector buying into Banksy stuff, but I'm not sure the number is as large the other way around.
I think it's quite normal that there would be more American street artist than British or European (law of numbers! lol). There's quality & s***t everywhere, it's just that some s***tty ones managed to be great marketers.
Can we stop complaining about Mr Brainwash & his team painting for him? People complaining about that really have to re-read art history. It's not something new in the art world and it doesn't make him less of an artist. The TOP3 major contemporary artists are working the same way : Koons, Hirst & Murakami... I'm pretty sure that even if you go back in time you'll find out that some artists had their students paint for them (different category but same idea).
Anyway, just buy what you like, don't buy what you don't. Anyone isn't killing anything, it just gives more available choice and it will put quality pieces higher. As long as people keep going to the streets, urban art will be alive!
I join johnny there.
The market size is totally different. If you count US + Canada, the population is almost 350 million (2010 numbers).
Problem with Mr B. for example is that people rush to buy without knowing what exactly is going to be released. Last release, people start queuing without knowing the colourway or the edition size!
Then, people tends to only buy names over something they like. At least as bali said, you can choose something you like.
Afterwards, you're talking about people spending money on lower quality art because quality art is released less often. Not really sure about that. Personal question : Gibs, Did you buy any MBW print lately? Answer is probably no. So I'm not sure that markets completely overlap here. There might be a few MBW collector buying into Banksy stuff, but I'm not sure the number is as large the other way around.
I think it's quite normal that there would be more American street artist than British or European (law of numbers! lol). There's quality & s***t everywhere, it's just that some s***tty ones managed to be great marketers.
Can we stop complaining about Mr Brainwash & his team painting for him? People complaining about that really have to re-read art history. It's not something new in the art world and it doesn't make him less of an artist. The TOP3 major contemporary artists are working the same way : Koons, Hirst & Murakami... I'm pretty sure that even if you go back in time you'll find out that some artists had their students paint for them (different category but same idea).
Anyway, just buy what you like, don't buy what you don't. Anyone isn't killing anything, it just gives more available choice and it will put quality pieces higher. As long as people keep going to the streets, urban art will be alive!
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by rottenredrooster on May 13, 2011 11:19:41 GMT 1, Europe has a population of half a billion and the UK has 60 million. A lot of artists now make there stuff available to the ROW anyway.
I think that in general the American population has given way to much praise to MBW. You can really compare Banksy to MBW in terms of flipping. Of course people are going to flip Banksy stuff as it makes huge money and he has been in the limelight for years now. MBW has come from nowhere really and the art lacks substance of any kind, flipping his prints to make $100 is to me pointless and just shows how futile his art is.
Europe has a population of half a billion and the UK has 60 million. A lot of artists now make there stuff available to the ROW anyway.
I think that in general the American population has given way to much praise to MBW. You can really compare Banksy to MBW in terms of flipping. Of course people are going to flip Banksy stuff as it makes huge money and he has been in the limelight for years now. MBW has come from nowhere really and the art lacks substance of any kind, flipping his prints to make $100 is to me pointless and just shows how futile his art is.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by des77 on May 13, 2011 11:35:30 GMT 1, Can we stop complaining about Mr Brainwash & his team painting for him? People complaining about that really have to re-read art history. It's not something new in the art world and it doesn't make him less of an artist. The TOP3 major contemporary artists are working the same way : Koons, Hirst & Murakami.
Yes, but they are creative people. You only need to watch exit to see that with as much enthusiasm MBW has, he doesn't have a creative bone in his body.
Its just like good taste, everyone thinks they have it.. but thats really not the case.
Can we stop complaining about Mr Brainwash & his team painting for him? People complaining about that really have to re-read art history. It's not something new in the art world and it doesn't make him less of an artist. The TOP3 major contemporary artists are working the same way : Koons, Hirst & Murakami. Yes, but they are creative people. You only need to watch exit to see that with as much enthusiasm MBW has, he doesn't have a creative bone in his body. Its just like good taste, everyone thinks they have it.. but thats really not the case.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by krevice on May 13, 2011 16:55:27 GMT 1, Without wanting to offend any people from the United States, I am getting a little bothered that "SOME" American artists are flooding the market with regular releases of expensive prints, these mainly being from Mr Brainwash and Shepard Fairy. As it is with fortnightly releases of new prints at increasing prices I can only see the bottom dropping out of the market and some people getting quite disillusioned with the street art world and stuck with very expensive white elephants. Until recently artists such as Banksy and many others based in Europe have only released any new work very rarely, keeping up quality and demand for their work, but now although the demand currently is there, the quality (especially with Mr Brainwash) is decreasing at an alarming rate. Does anyone else feel the same way? I to the S to the O
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Without wanting to offend any people from the United States, I am getting a little bothered that "SOME" American artists are flooding the market with regular releases of expensive prints, these mainly being from Mr Brainwash and Shepard Fairy. As it is with fortnightly releases of new prints at increasing prices I can only see the bottom dropping out of the market and some people getting quite disillusioned with the street art world and stuck with very expensive white elephants. Until recently artists such as Banksy and many others based in Europe have only released any new work very rarely, keeping up quality and demand for their work, but now although the demand currently is there, the quality (especially with Mr Brainwash) is decreasing at an alarming rate. Does anyone else feel the same way? I to the S to the O P to the O to the M to the E
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by bullet on May 13, 2011 17:02:49 GMT 1, P to the O to the M to the E
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by pezlow on May 13, 2011 20:58:17 GMT 1, I've never bought a MBW print and never will. Couldn't give a toss about what he is or is not doing to his market. His "art" is crap.
Shep is completely different. An artist who has been engaged in this scene for years and has always stuck to principles of releasing affordable prints which you can buy if you like or not buy if you don't like. I don't like all of the stuff he releases but hey, there's plenty of choice and you can buy a print from a street art legend for less money than a banksy mass-produced poster.
I've never bought a MBW print and never will. Couldn't give a toss about what he is or is not doing to his market. His "art" is crap.
Shep is completely different. An artist who has been engaged in this scene for years and has always stuck to principles of releasing affordable prints which you can buy if you like or not buy if you don't like. I don't like all of the stuff he releases but hey, there's plenty of choice and you can buy a print from a street art legend for less money than a banksy mass-produced poster.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Deleted on May 13, 2011 21:11:05 GMT 1, Who is this MBW chap anyway?
Who is this MBW chap anyway?
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mmmike
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by mmmike on May 13, 2011 21:17:14 GMT 1, I've never bought a MBW print and never will. Couldn't give a toss about what he is or is not doing to his market. His "art" is crap. Shep is completely different. An artist who has been engaged in this scene for years and has always stuck to principles of releasing affordable prints which you can buy if you like or not buy if you don't like. I don't like all of the stuff he releases but hey, there's plenty of choice and you can buy a print from a street art legend for less money than a banksy mass-produced poster.
I also like Shep and a lot of his work But let me ask this... some say he comes from a street art background, others say he has used street art to promote his brand. That he isn't really an artist but is really a marketing / graphics guy. He uses a manufactured rep as a street artist to sell clothing and make other bands cool (Levis for example). The idea that he is somewhat different from a Kaws who started as a street artist and has branched out to a brand and more like if Disney did street art to get credibility and expand its market.
I don't buy this thinking completely but there may be some truth to it. Any thoughts? Does it matter what an artist intent is? If it is just to sell a product does that make it lessor art?
I've never bought a MBW print and never will. Couldn't give a toss about what he is or is not doing to his market. His "art" is crap. Shep is completely different. An artist who has been engaged in this scene for years and has always stuck to principles of releasing affordable prints which you can buy if you like or not buy if you don't like. I don't like all of the stuff he releases but hey, there's plenty of choice and you can buy a print from a street art legend for less money than a banksy mass-produced poster. I also like Shep and a lot of his work But let me ask this... some say he comes from a street art background, others say he has used street art to promote his brand. That he isn't really an artist but is really a marketing / graphics guy. He uses a manufactured rep as a street artist to sell clothing and make other bands cool (Levis for example). The idea that he is somewhat different from a Kaws who started as a street artist and has branched out to a brand and more like if Disney did street art to get credibility and expand its market. I don't buy this thinking completely but there may be some truth to it. Any thoughts? Does it matter what an artist intent is? If it is just to sell a product does that make it lessor art?
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by pezlow on May 13, 2011 21:53:36 GMT 1, He's one of the most prolific street artists there has ever been. Check out supply and demand.
He's one of the most prolific street artists there has ever been. Check out supply and demand.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by dotdot on May 13, 2011 22:20:03 GMT 1, I've never bought a MBW print and never will. Couldn't give a toss about what he is or is not doing to his market. His "art" is crap. Shep is completely different. An artist who has been engaged in this scene for years and has always stuck to principles of releasing affordable prints which you can buy if you like or not buy if you don't like. I don't like all of the stuff he releases but hey, there's plenty of choice and you can buy a print from a street art legend for less money than a banksy mass-produced poster.
+1 pez... agreed on the carcrashwash blokey... as for the john noakes bloke... aye well.. he has his ideas and i always doff my hat to those with ideas.
I've never bought a MBW print and never will. Couldn't give a toss about what he is or is not doing to his market. His "art" is crap. Shep is completely different. An artist who has been engaged in this scene for years and has always stuck to principles of releasing affordable prints which you can buy if you like or not buy if you don't like. I don't like all of the stuff he releases but hey, there's plenty of choice and you can buy a print from a street art legend for less money than a banksy mass-produced poster. +1 pez... agreed on the car crashwash blokey... as for the john noakes bloke... aye well.. he has his ideas and i always doff my hat to those with ideas.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by chive on May 13, 2011 22:39:06 GMT 1, the problem i have with living in north america, aside from the fact that it is north america is that everything gets consumerized. when i walk home from work i now see three shops selling obey stuff in their windows ( t-shirts, cd cases, hats etc).
the problem i have with living in north america, aside from the fact that it is north america is that everything gets consumerized. when i walk home from work i now see three shops selling obey stuff in their windows ( t-shirts, cd cases, hats etc).
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by mmmike on May 13, 2011 22:40:42 GMT 1, He's one of the most prolific street artists there has ever been. Check out supply and demand.
I have the book. Love it. I wasn't questioning the quantity or quality of the work more asking what you think his motivation was for doing street art and does it matter?
He's one of the most prolific street artists there has ever been. Check out supply and demand. I have the book. Love it. I wasn't questioning the quantity or quality of the work more asking what you think his motivation was for doing street art and does it matter?
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by theleveller on May 13, 2011 22:41:02 GMT 1, P to the O to the M to the E
Did you mean POHM, if so your an idiot twice!
Back to the song lyrics who sang
"G.I. Joe put your gun away The sun is setting on another day Why don't you leave me alone Yankee Go Home"
No offense to anyone its a song....
P to the O to the M to the E Did you mean POHM, if so your an idiot twice! Back to the song lyrics who sang "G.I. Joe put your gun away The sun is setting on another day Why don't you leave me alone Yankee Go Home" No offense to anyone its a song....
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