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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by daveinbrooklyn on May 14, 2011 7:47:04 GMT 1, Hah. Laughable thread.
I'd actually argue that all of the self promoting artists on this board have done more to "kill urban art" than "Americans." Honestly, when is the last time that someone with Artist under their name has posted decent work for sale/exhibition? Show me. I'm always looking for new work and nothing posted here has captured any of my interest over the last few years.
Hah. Laughable thread.
I'd actually argue that all of the self promoting artists on this board have done more to "kill urban art" than "Americans." Honestly, when is the last time that someone with Artist under their name has posted decent work for sale/exhibition? Show me. I'm always looking for new work and nothing posted here has captured any of my interest over the last few years.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on May 14, 2011 8:14:50 GMT 1, Hah. Laughable thread. I'd actually argue that all of the self promoting artists on this board have done more to "kill urban art" than "Americans." Honestly, when is the last time that someone with Artist under their name has posted decent work for sale/exhibition? Show me. I'm always looking for new work and nothing posted here has captured any of my interest over the last few years.
good honest post Dave not even JBOY's new body of work captured your interest??
Hah. Laughable thread. I'd actually argue that all of the self promoting artists on this board have done more to "kill urban art" than "Americans." Honestly, when is the last time that someone with Artist under their name has posted decent work for sale/exhibition? Show me. I'm always looking for new work and nothing posted here has captured any of my interest over the last few years. good honest post Dave ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) not even JBOY's new body of work captured your interest??
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by daveart on May 14, 2011 15:10:30 GMT 1, Pretty sure picasso is credited with over 50,000 works of art in his life time. Most of the urban artists discussed here have had very short careers by comparison with other artists that have reached and maintained a high visibility. picasso made art for what 70 years. Surely there are some lower quality works from every artist. quantity cant kill a movement.. Quality is what it is about and the ability to evolve and stay relevant. Banksy's poke at war in his eaRly pieces will not work in peace time. can dface have a 70 year career ? Can MBW rip off other artists for 70 years? (I hope not) ..faile and fairey seem to have the breadth Of talent to survive .. Etc
Pretty sure picasso is credited with over 50,000 works of art in his life time. Most of the urban artists discussed here have had very short careers by comparison with other artists that have reached and maintained a high visibility. picasso made art for what 70 years. Surely there are some lower quality works from every artist. quantity cant kill a movement.. Quality is what it is about and the ability to evolve and stay relevant. Banksy's poke at war in his eaRly pieces will not work in peace time. can dface have a 70 year career ? Can MBW rip off other artists for 70 years? (I hope not) ..faile and fairey seem to have the breadth Of talent to survive .. Etc
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Shoot Again on May 14, 2011 17:12:48 GMT 1, Best way for a talented artist to succeed (assuming he doesn't reject the idea of living from the money he can make selling his art) is to create A LOT, share his evolving artworks with all his fans. Quantity won't kill his success but feed it as well as please his fans who will then be able to be even more selective in which pieces they will decide to buy...
Best way for a talented artist to succeed (assuming he doesn't reject the idea of living from the money he can make selling his art) is to create A LOT, share his evolving artworks with all his fans. Quantity won't kill his success but feed it as well as please his fans who will then be able to be even more selective in which pieces they will decide to buy...
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Con Art Studio on May 15, 2011 17:32:32 GMT 1, He's one of the most prolific street artists there has ever been. Check out supply and demand. I have the book. Love it. I wasn't questioning the quantity or quality of the work more asking what you think his motivation was for doing street art and does it matter? shepard has stated over and over again what his motivation for doing his street art is... go read the book again, specifically the beginning where the manifesto is printed.
yes shepard is a graphic designer and works as a commercial artist with corporate clients - there are a lot of artists who are graphic designers, Dave Kinsey is one of them (both graphic designer and commercial illustrator). what does that have to do with his street art? when shepard started out he did most of his commercial work to pay for the street art. in fact, he's mentioned in numerous video clips and interviews that at night he would bomb all his clients billboards - sometimes work he's done for them.
it's badass to bomb a billboard but even more badass to bomb a billboard you got paid by your client to create.
He's one of the most prolific street artists there has ever been. Check out supply and demand. I have the book. Love it. I wasn't questioning the quantity or quality of the work more asking what you think his motivation was for doing street art and does it matter? shepard has stated over and over again what his motivation for doing his street art is... go read the book again, specifically the beginning where the manifesto is printed. yes shepard is a graphic designer and works as a commercial artist with corporate clients - there are a lot of artists who are graphic designers, Dave Kinsey is one of them (both graphic designer and commercial illustrator). what does that have to do with his street art? when shepard started out he did most of his commercial work to pay for the street art. in fact, he's mentioned in numerous video clips and interviews that at night he would bomb all his clients billboards - sometimes work he's done for them. it's badass to bomb a billboard but even more badass to bomb a billboard you got paid by your client to create.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by aj2010 on May 15, 2011 19:02:54 GMT 1, More of a reason to be more selective in what you buy. Unless you are a flipper, which most people who buy, buy, buy are, then carry on.
More of a reason to be more selective in what you buy. Unless you are a flipper, which most people who buy, buy, buy are, then carry on.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by anodyne13 on May 15, 2011 19:04:05 GMT 1, First, killing the "print market" is not killing urban art. The artists and the art movement can thrive while print speculators take it on the chin. Secondly the "urban art print market" has not even been around long enough to determine if it is being killed. When you are collecting prints from a group of young artists that are relatively early in their careers, you have to expect that there is a large potential of increased supply. Look at Kaws, if he started dropping a print every week, his print prices would crater, but that does not mean his art would suffer or his demand would slow down.
First, killing the "print market" is not killing urban art. The artists and the art movement can thrive while print speculators take it on the chin. Secondly the "urban art print market" has not even been around long enough to determine if it is being killed. When you are collecting prints from a group of young artists that are relatively early in their careers, you have to expect that there is a large potential of increased supply. Look at Kaws, if he started dropping a print every week, his print prices would crater, but that does not mean his art would suffer or his demand would slow down.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by kalm on May 15, 2011 20:29:47 GMT 1, I too blame Canada
I too blame Canada
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by mmmike on May 15, 2011 22:06:25 GMT 1,
sorry
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Deleted on May 16, 2011 1:24:37 GMT 1, I blame consumerism (systematic creation and fostering of a desire to purchase goods in ever greater amounts) ie. man's greed
I blame consumerism (systematic creation and fostering of a desire to purchase goods in ever greater amounts) ie. man's greed
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by boaty on May 16, 2011 3:19:43 GMT 1,
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by ksedge on May 16, 2011 16:25:29 GMT 1,
you can't blame Canada - don't you know we don't even have street art here? Wheatpastes don't stick to our igloo's and stencils get snowed over before they're even done! duh...
you can't blame Canada - don't you know we don't even have street art here? Wheatpastes don't stick to our igloo's and stencils get snowed over before they're even done! duh...
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by illu on May 16, 2011 17:18:20 GMT 1, you can't blame Canada - don't you know we don't even have street art here? Wheatpastes don't stick to our igloo's and stencils get snowed over before they're even done! duh... ;D ;D ;D
you can't blame Canada - don't you know we don't even have street art here? Wheatpastes don't stick to our igloo's and stencils get snowed over before they're even done! duh... ;D ;D ;D
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by mmmike on May 16, 2011 18:11:34 GMT 1, you can't blame Canada - don't you know we don't even have street art here? Wheatpastes don't stick to our igloo's and stencils get snowed over before they're even done! duh...
There is actually some cool street art in Toronto, isolated to certain areas but it is here. Kind of impressive considering there is little hope of the artists ever making money off it so likely they are doing it because they really enjoy it. There is a new book out on Toronto street art. Looks interesting but I think it is $80 because of the limited production I think.
you can't blame Canada - don't you know we don't even have street art here? Wheatpastes don't stick to our igloo's and stencils get snowed over before they're even done! duh... There is actually some cool street art in Toronto, isolated to certain areas but it is here. Kind of impressive considering there is little hope of the artists ever making money off it so likely they are doing it because they really enjoy it. There is a new book out on Toronto street art. Looks interesting but I think it is $80 because of the limited production I think.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by skem on May 16, 2011 19:55:08 GMT 1, I recently met someone through a friend that has a massive collection of work he has created. It is the same style work as Slinkachu, they are hanging on every wall of his house and he has never sold one piece. I was trying to talk him into it, but seems to be content making art for himself. I guess that is cool but I think he should try and show it off, or at least give me a few for my walls. =)
I recently met someone through a friend that has a massive collection of work he has created. It is the same style work as Slinkachu, they are hanging on every wall of his house and he has never sold one piece. I was trying to talk him into it, but seems to be content making art for himself. I guess that is cool but I think he should try and show it off, or at least give me a few for my walls. =)
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by skem on May 16, 2011 19:56:45 GMT 1, Guess what I am trying to get at is there are tons of artist out there that I think are a little shy of actually showing their work off. I told him of this board, but I think he was more concerned with being flamed as a copy cat of another artist's type work.
Guess what I am trying to get at is there are tons of artist out there that I think are a little shy of actually showing their work off. I told him of this board, but I think he was more concerned with being flamed as a copy cat of another artist's type work.
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Heavyconsumer on May 16, 2011 20:55:07 GMT 1, Without wanting to offend any people from the United States, I am getting a little bothered that "SOME" American artists are flooding the market with regular releases of expensive prints, these mainly being from Mr Brainwash and Shepard Fairey. As it is with fortnightly releases of new prints at increasing prices I can only see the bottom dropping out of the market and some people getting quite disillusioned with the street art world and stuck with very expensive white elephants. Until recently artists such as Banksy and many others based in Europe have only released any new work very rarely, keeping up quality and demand for their work, but now although the demand currently is there, the quality (especially with Mr Brainwash) is decreasing at an alarming rate. Does anyone else feel the same way?
If people bought art they liked and not what they thought was gonna earn them either a quick buck or extra cred' with their mates, this discussion wouldn't happen and art would be "consumed" by those who enjoyed it and ignored by those who didn't. I say good luck to the "artists" and "collectors" cashing in and think anyone so inclined can have a laugh at the expense of so called collectors that couldn't care less what's on those pieces of paper they buy. As you say, thems is creating a bubble, but the only people thems may end up a harming is themselves. So lead on.
As for what does or doesn't have artistic merit/quality, I think I've given up on that one and prefer to ask myself what I do or don't enjoy. I suppose history will decide that question for us. If modern history is anything to go by, I'm not hopeful that the conclusion is one I'd find favourable, but I can live with that (or not) 'cause I'll be dead by then. ;D
Without wanting to offend any people from the United States, I am getting a little bothered that "SOME" American artists are flooding the market with regular releases of expensive prints, these mainly being from Mr Brainwash and Shepard Fairey. As it is with fortnightly releases of new prints at increasing prices I can only see the bottom dropping out of the market and some people getting quite disillusioned with the street art world and stuck with very expensive white elephants. Until recently artists such as Banksy and many others based in Europe have only released any new work very rarely, keeping up quality and demand for their work, but now although the demand currently is there, the quality (especially with Mr Brainwash) is decreasing at an alarming rate. Does anyone else feel the same way? If people bought art they liked and not what they thought was gonna earn them either a quick buck or extra cred' with their mates, this discussion wouldn't happen and art would be "consumed" by those who enjoyed it and ignored by those who didn't. I say good luck to the "artists" and "collectors" cashing in and think anyone so inclined can have a laugh at the expense of so called collectors that couldn't care less what's on those pieces of paper they buy. As you say, thems is creating a bubble, but the only people thems may end up a harming is themselves. So lead on. As for what does or doesn't have artistic merit/quality, I think I've given up on that one and prefer to ask myself what I do or don't enjoy. I suppose history will decide that question for us. If modern history is anything to go by, I'm not hopeful that the conclusion is one I'd find favourable, but I can live with that (or not) 'cause I'll be dead by then. ;D
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by Heavyconsumer on May 16, 2011 21:00:03 GMT 1,
Junior Murvin = LEGEND!
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by speebe on May 16, 2011 22:06:50 GMT 1, Plenty good and bad both sides of the pond...IMO. It's the fact that UA has become a currency... that's the true death null for 'Urban Art'. When people who were buying and selling trainers for a living begin to buy and sell 'Urban Art' you know the game is up.
Case in point.........
shop.ebay.com/grandpajoeburst/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562
No doubt you'll find em sayin... Don't hate the playa, hate the game!!!
Pffffffffft
Plenty good and bad both sides of the pond...IMO. It's the fact that UA has become a currency... that's the true death null for 'Urban Art'. When people who were buying and selling trainers for a living begin to buy and sell 'Urban Art' you know the game is up. Case in point......... shop.ebay.com/grandpajoeburst/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562No doubt you'll find em sayin... Don't hate the playa, hate the game!!! Pffffffffft
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Are the Americans killing Urban Art?, by meatbag on Jun 3, 2011 14:21:26 GMT 1, i'm posting in a retarded thread
i'm posting in a retarded thread
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