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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by tobaum on May 28, 2011 10:09:15 GMT 1, Seth Carmichael is looking for Parla consignments for his annual consignment show.
Seth Carmichael is looking for Parla consignments for his annual consignment show.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by oldskoolspinner on Jun 18, 2011 15:29:24 GMT 1, Dont let jose find out Andrew, ooppsss 
Details of the pieces in order of the photos: - Jose Parla 184th Street Eureka Blvd Oil on paper Framed 122cm x 92cm (Framed size) 1999 (by memory) ยฃ12,000 Jose Parla Cascading Crushing Forms Mixed media on canvas 92cm x 92cm 2009 or 2010 ยฃ30,000 Jose Parla Cutlers Ridge Mixed media on leather canvas 69cm x 56cm 2006 ยฃ20,000 Jose Parla Inversed Reality Mixed media on leather canvas 106cm x 81cm 2006 ยฃ30,000 Jose Parla Parading Letter Styles Mixed media on canvas 92cm x 61cm - (This might be 100cm x 70cm - Need to confirm) 2009 or 2010 ยฃ30,000
Dont let jose find out Andrew, ooppsss Details of the pieces in order of the photos: - Jose Parla 184th Street Eureka Blvd Oil on paper Framed 122cm x 92cm (Framed size) 1999 (by memory) ยฃ12,000 Jose Parla Cascading Crushing Forms Mixed media on canvas 92cm x 92cm 2009 or 2010 ยฃ30,000 Jose Parla Cutlers Ridge Mixed media on leather canvas 69cm x 56cm 2006 ยฃ20,000 Jose Parla Inversed Reality Mixed media on leather canvas 106cm x 81cm 2006 ยฃ30,000 Jose Parla Parading Letter Styles Mixed media on canvas 92cm x 61cm - (This might be 100cm x 70cm - Need to confirm) 2009 or 2010 ยฃ30,000 |
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by highbrow on Jun 18, 2011 22:24:17 GMT 1, Amazing works, very top notch I am sure the photos do them zero justice
Amazing works, very top notch I am sure the photos do them zero justice
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by artylang on Jun 19, 2011 15:50:05 GMT 1, As far as being a passionate collector goes and respecting the art and artists you collect, this is extremely poor form. This is very disappointing.
As far as being a passionate collector goes and respecting the art and artists you collect, this is extremely poor form. This is very disappointing.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by artylang on Jun 19, 2011 17:32:07 GMT 1, selling a kaws print or most any print and selling 5 paintings are far different.
selling a kaws print or most any print and selling 5 paintings are far different.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by highbrow on Jun 19, 2011 17:36:53 GMT 1, First off I have to agree as far as selling paintings, once he purchases them, trades for them , baters for them whatever they belong to him. Maybe he needs to fund another purchase, maybe he has a personal issue, maybe he owuld rather have 100K cash sitting in his house, regardless it is his business. I guess we would say then it is in poor taste for Carmichael gallery to have a show of resells, or ebay is in poor taste, or whatever. Once he legally obtains the art, it is his to do with what he wants. As far as also calling the kettle black there is no difference in selling one print and 5 paintings still the same crime, like if you steal 1million dollars or 1 dollar definition in the dictionary is still stealing. So enjoy selling your kaws print and I am sure two of the 5 works he listed will find a good home as well and everyone will be happy..
First off I have to agree as far as selling paintings, once he purchases them, trades for them , baters for them whatever they belong to him. Maybe he needs to fund another purchase, maybe he has a personal issue, maybe he owuld rather have 100K cash sitting in his house, regardless it is his business. I guess we would say then it is in poor taste for Carmichael gallery to have a show of resells, or ebay is in poor taste, or whatever. Once he legally obtains the art, it is his to do with what he wants. As far as also calling the kettle black there is no difference in selling one print and 5 paintings still the same crime, like if you steal 1million dollars or 1 dollar definition in the dictionary is still stealing. So enjoy selling your kaws print and I am sure two of the 5 works he listed will find a good home as well and everyone will be happy..
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by artylang on Jun 19, 2011 17:48:29 GMT 1, I guess I look at it a little differently. When I purchase work for my collection, I am usually very considered, active and passionate in obtaining it. When I do get the opportunity to add that special piece to my collection I feel a connection to that gallery or artist. As collectors, we are protectors of the art, and that artists' market and reputation. A sale like this does none of that.
I guess I look at it a little differently. When I purchase work for my collection, I am usually very considered, active and passionate in obtaining it. When I do get the opportunity to add that special piece to my collection I feel a connection to that gallery or artist. As collectors, we are protectors of the art, and that artists' market and reputation. A sale like this does none of that.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by tobaum on Jun 19, 2011 17:57:03 GMT 1, As collectors, we are protectors of the art, and that artists' market and reputation. A sale like this does none of that.
lmao! That sounds so pretentious.
As collector, I enjoy looking at the pieces on my wall and it's enough to make me feel well.
Must be boring to feel invested with a higher purpose and duties... Go say your prayers and then you'll run 20 miles as punishment for that kaws print! ;D
As collectors, we are protectors of the art, and that artists' market and reputation. A sale like this does none of that. lmao! That sounds so pretentious. As collector, I enjoy looking at the pieces on my wall and it's enough to make me feel well. Must be boring to feel invested with a higher purpose and duties... Go say your prayers and then you'll run 20 miles as punishment for that kaws print! ;D |
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by artylang on Jun 19, 2011 18:14:49 GMT 1, far from pretentious. it's actually quite humbling when you get it right.
far from pretentious. it's actually quite humbling when you get it right.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by amb on Jun 19, 2011 18:28:44 GMT 1, As far as being a passionate collector goes and respecting the art and artists you collect, this is extremely poor form. This is very disappointing.
With all due respect ____, I am extremely surprised by that comment from you.
I would have expected far better from you.
As far as being a passionate collector goes and respecting the art and artists you collect, this is extremely poor form. This is very disappointing. With all due respect ____, I am extremely surprised by that comment from you. I would have expected far better from you. |
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by anodyne13 on Jun 19, 2011 19:36:37 GMT 1, The concept that one should not resell art is laughable.
The concept that one should not resell art is laughable.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by Sauce Moola on Jun 19, 2011 19:37:40 GMT 1, My next question to everyone whose mad why is there even a FS thread. I think we all have a right to do what we want to do with our art.
My next question to everyone whose mad why is there even a FS thread. I think we all have a right to do what we want to do with our art.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by Daniel Silk on Jun 19, 2011 20:27:26 GMT 1, People can buy and sell whatever they like, nobody cant tell you what you can and cant do with your own property.
Plus people are not allowed to post private information about people on the forum. If you cant follow these rules you do run the risk of being removed from the forum.
Thanks!  Have a nice weekend.
People can buy and sell whatever they like, nobody cant tell you what you can and cant do with your own property. Plus people are not allowed to post private information about people on the forum. If you cant follow these rules you do run the risk of being removed from the forum. Thanks! Have a nice weekend. |
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by mmmike on Jun 19, 2011 20:33:15 GMT 1, far from pretentious. it's actually quite humbling when you get it right.
Do you listen to yourself? 
Spoken like someone who has never had financial problems. You are hardly a hero for not selling art. You are not curing cancer. You are spending lots of money on pretty pictures, one of the most selfish things you can do with your money. Get over yourself.
far from pretentious. it's actually quite humbling when you get it right. Do you listen to yourself? Spoken like someone who has never had financial problems. You are hardly a hero for not selling art. You are not curing cancer. You are spending lots of money on pretty pictures, one of the most selfish things you can do with your money. Get over yourself. |
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by Philippe on Jun 19, 2011 20:37:41 GMT 1, I feel it depends on how the piece was acquired and how long one's owned it. If you buy art from a gallery or auction do what you will with it.
If you acquire it from an artist/collector, I think it's a sign of respect to hold on to it for a couple of years and if you chose not to then contact the artist/collector to inform them of the sale.
I feel it depends on how the piece was acquired and how long one's owned it. If you buy art from a gallery or auction do what you will with it.
If you acquire it from an artist/collector, I think it's a sign of respect to hold on to it for a couple of years and if you chose not to then contact the artist/collector to inform them of the sale.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by amb on Jun 19, 2011 20:54:50 GMT 1, The Parla's were offered to both his UK and USA dealer before I offered for sale myself.
Also to his old Italian dealer too.
The Parla's were offered to both his UK and USA dealer before I offered for sale myself.
Also to his old Italian dealer too.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by Philippe on Jun 19, 2011 23:28:45 GMT 1, Well then their loss. You've got some great examples of his work here. I prefer the two everyone seem to like more than all but one piece from his recent show in NYC at Bryce Wolkowitz's gallery.
Well then their loss. You've got some great examples of his work here. I prefer the two everyone seem to like more than all but one piece from his recent show in NYC at Bryce Wolkowitz's gallery.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by highbrow on Jun 20, 2011 1:04:54 GMT 1, AMB, good luck on the sale regardless of how you obtained them, how long you had them, or if you got an amazing deal on them, I love artwork thats why I am here but to say something like we are the protectors of it.... that is art is a item that we purchase because we like it, are you never going to sell your car, your house, your anything. Everything you have was bought at sometime to say selling something is anything other them a way of life is crazy. Art is no different then my dining room table can I not sell that, I mean an artist puts his heart into the work, the man that made my dining room table I know worked on it for 5 months , he put his heart into that can I never sell it ? Again good luck with the sale hope you are making a buttload of cash on it.
AMB, good luck on the sale regardless of how you obtained them, how long you had them, or if you got an amazing deal on them, I love artwork thats why I am here but to say something like we are the protectors of it.... that is art is a item that we purchase because we like it, are you never going to sell your car, your house, your anything. Everything you have was bought at sometime to say selling something is anything other them a way of life is crazy. Art is no different then my dining room table can I not sell that, I mean an artist puts his heart into the work, the man that made my dining room table I know worked on it for 5 months , he put his heart into that can I never sell it ? Again good luck with the sale hope you are making a buttload of cash on it.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by artylang on Jun 20, 2011 19:14:31 GMT 1, z
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by oneeye on Jun 20, 2011 21:53:06 GMT 1, This is the exact reason why Jose is overly protective of his work. Blasting out 5 pieces for sale on a public forum isn't good for any artists' career. Immediately makes the artist and the pieces less special.
That being said, I think the owner is entitled to do whatever they want.
This is the exact reason why Jose is overly protective of his work. Blasting out 5 pieces for sale on a public forum isn't good for any artists' career. Immediately makes the artist and the pieces less special.
That being said, I think the owner is entitled to do whatever they want.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by tadghostal on Jun 20, 2011 22:01:53 GMT 1, Hey, amb--I went through the hassle of trying to offer a Parla through previous galleries and even here before settling on using Sotheby's. Parla is one of my favorite artists, but man--he and his galleries have done an absolutely shitty job of developing a reasonably functional secondary market. Hit me up via PM if you'd like to swap notes. It's possible I could spare you some hassle in not dealing with people who routinely engage as though they're real buyers only to tie up pieces for days/weeks, and then failing to follow through. You're likely to hear from them now that you've posted here.
Good luck.
Hey, amb--I went through the hassle of trying to offer a Parla through previous galleries and even here before settling on using Sotheby's. Parla is one of my favorite artists, but man--he and his galleries have done an absolutely shitty job of developing a reasonably functional secondary market. Hit me up via PM if you'd like to swap notes. It's possible I could spare you some hassle in not dealing with people who routinely engage as though they're real buyers only to tie up pieces for days/weeks, and then failing to follow through. You're likely to hear from them now that you've posted here.
Good luck.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by amb on Jun 20, 2011 22:13:47 GMT 1, This is the exact reason why Jose is overly protective of his work. Blasting out 5 pieces for sale on a public forum isn't good for any artists' career. Immediately makes the artist and the pieces less special. That being said, I think the owner is entitled to do whatever they want.
As I've already said, they were offered to all 3 of his current / past dealers before offered openly.
Elms do not trade in secondary market but I was 'extremely' unhappy with his US gallery, and still am. Absolutely disgusted by them.
Lastly, not that it's a big deal. They were offered for sale on a US forum prior to this and I had put that any '2' of the five were for sale. I just showed 5 so people could choose.
I didn't add that to the post here, not for any reason, just didn't copy and paste my post from the other forum.
People that use both forums will see my message prior to the one here stating that.
______ posts are comical.
He is without doubt one of the biggest flippers on here. Hirst Decks, KAWS, Tauba Auerbach $1000 print for $5000 the day after it sold out at Printed Matter...the list goes on and on and on and on. Even his fellow countrymen are calling him out:)
Now he's doing the Zzzz like it's boring, but I think it's kind of backfired. lol
____ is unhappy as he *asked to remove this bit* and is now worried his investment has dropped in value. That is the one and only reason why he decided to start having a dig.
No offense intended ____. We've had some great chats in the past and I have no issue...just a bit of banter, and we have already spoken by PM and I think we decided to agreed to disagree.
It's been amusing reading some of the comments above...all good fun.
This is the exact reason why Jose is overly protective of his work. Blasting out 5 pieces for sale on a public forum isn't good for any artists' career. Immediately makes the artist and the pieces less special. That being said, I think the owner is entitled to do whatever they want. As I've already said, they were offered to all 3 of his current / past dealers before offered openly. Elms do not trade in secondary market but I was 'extremely' unhappy with his US gallery, and still am. Absolutely disgusted by them. Lastly, not that it's a big deal. They were offered for sale on a US forum prior to this and I had put that any '2' of the five were for sale. I just showed 5 so people could choose. I didn't add that to the post here, not for any reason, just didn't copy and paste my post from the other forum. People that use both forums will see my message prior to the one here stating that. ______ posts are comical. He is without doubt one of the biggest flippers on here. Hirst Decks, KAWS, Tauba Auerbach $1000 print for $5000 the day after it sold out at Printed Matter...the list goes on and on and on and on. Even his fellow countrymen are calling him out:) Now he's doing the Zzzz like it's boring, but I think it's kind of backfired. lol ____ is unhappy as he *asked to remove this bit* and is now worried his investment has dropped in value. That is the one and only reason why he decided to start having a dig. No offense intended ____. We've had some great chats in the past and I have no issue...just a bit of banter, and we have already spoken by PM and I think we decided to agreed to disagree. It's been amusing reading some of the comments above...all good fun. |
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by afroken on Jun 20, 2011 22:24:18 GMT 1, It strikes me that the big problem here is the galleries. Amb, you have talked up Elms on here many times but surely you must realise now that they are damaging the careers of the artists that they represent (or should I say, represented because they've all gone elsewhere). If you're going to sell art at those kinds of prices then you owe it to collectors and above all the artists to protect their ecosystem. If they're not prepared to place secondary market works carefully then they shouldn't be selling it in the first place, particularly not at artificially inflated prices.
Elms is a gallery that I decided some time ago NEVER to deal with for this simple reason. They are quite frankly full of s**t.
Without a doubt selling this kind of work on forums is damaging, but only if it goes unsold, and unfortunately the damage is done with Parla. The best thing he can do is draw a line under it and get some proper representation.
And for the record, if I were you I'd be selling them on here too so I'm not having a dig.
It strikes me that the big problem here is the galleries. Amb, you have talked up Elms on here many times but surely you must realise now that they are damaging the careers of the artists that they represent (or should I say, represented because they've all gone elsewhere). If you're going to sell art at those kinds of prices then you owe it to collectors and above all the artists to protect their ecosystem. If they're not prepared to place secondary market works carefully then they shouldn't be selling it in the first place, particularly not at artificially inflated prices.
Elms is a gallery that I decided some time ago NEVER to deal with for this simple reason. They are quite frankly full of s**t.
Without a doubt selling this kind of work on forums is damaging, but only if it goes unsold, and unfortunately the damage is done with Parla. The best thing he can do is draw a line under it and get some proper representation.
And for the record, if I were you I'd be selling them on here too so I'm not having a dig.
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by amb on Jun 20, 2011 22:36:47 GMT 1, It strikes me that the big problem here is the galleries. Amb, you have talked up Elms on here many times but surely you must realise now that they are damaging the careers of the artists that they represent (or should I say, represented because they've all gone elsewhere). If you're going to sell art at those kinds of prices then you owe it to collectors and above all the artists to protect their ecosystem. If they're not prepared to place secondary market works carefully then they shouldn't be selling it in the first place, particularly not at artificially inflated prices. Elms is a gallery that I decided some time ago NEVER to deal with for this simple reason. They are, quite frankly, full of s**t. Without a doubt selling this kind of work on forums is damaging, but only if it goes unsold, and unfortunately the damage is done with Parla. The best thing he can do is draw a line under it and get some proper representation. And, for record, if I were you I'd be selling them on here too so I'm not having a dig.
No problem with what you've said at all.
A very well written post and I agree with you 100%.
But I also think that it shouldn't be 'my' responsibility to give a full background to details leading up to the sale (which have now come out).
I think it's a bit unfair that people have to justify themselves sometimes.
Hopefully people will see I followed the 'ethical' steps first, and then decided to offer to what I believed to be a group of people that may have been interested in a piece.
If I had put on eBay, then that's a whole different story.
It strikes me that the big problem here is the galleries. Amb, you have talked up Elms on here many times but surely you must realise now that they are damaging the careers of the artists that they represent (or should I say, represented because they've all gone elsewhere). If you're going to sell art at those kinds of prices then you owe it to collectors and above all the artists to protect their ecosystem. If they're not prepared to place secondary market works carefully then they shouldn't be selling it in the first place, particularly not at artificially inflated prices. Elms is a gallery that I decided some time ago NEVER to deal with for this simple reason. They are, quite frankly, full of s**t. Without a doubt selling this kind of work on forums is damaging, but only if it goes unsold, and unfortunately the damage is done with Parla. The best thing he can do is draw a line under it and get some proper representation. And, for record, if I were you I'd be selling them on here too so I'm not having a dig. No problem with what you've said at all. A very well written post and I agree with you 100%. But I also think that it shouldn't be 'my' responsibility to give a full background to details leading up to the sale (which have now come out). I think it's a bit unfair that people have to justify themselves sometimes. Hopefully people will see I followed the 'ethical' steps first, and then decided to offer to what I believed to be a group of people that may have been interested in a piece. If I had put on eBay, then that's a whole different story. |
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by afroken on Jun 20, 2011 22:41:29 GMT 1, If this forum is your last resort then eBay is the only place left to go to be honest. ยฃ1 start, no reserve. Dare you
EDIT: which is his US gallery by the way? Have you tried Oh-Wow? They represent him too and I've had nothing but an exceptional experience of them. One of the best galleries I've dealt with. If your bad experience was with Oh-Wow then ignore me.
If this forum is your last resort then eBay is the only place left to go to be honest. ยฃ1 start, no reserve. Dare you EDIT: which is his US gallery by the way? Have you tried Oh-Wow? They represent him too and I've had nothing but an exceptional experience of them. One of the best galleries I've dealt with. If your bad experience was with Oh-Wow then ignore me. |
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by amb on Jun 20, 2011 23:04:32 GMT 1, No, with Bryce whatever they're called.
I didn't realise Oh-Wow represented him as well?
Maybe I'll give them an email and see what they say.
As for eBay...I think I'll keep them:)
No, with Bryce whatever they're called.
I didn't realise Oh-Wow represented him as well?
Maybe I'll give them an email and see what they say.
As for eBay...I think I'll keep them:)
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by manty on Jun 20, 2011 23:14:15 GMT 1, It is odd that alot of the primary galleries wont entertain secondary sales / buy backs, consignment, or what ever the bloody term is.
Why do you think this is?
I think i know, but just asking ;D
It is odd that alot of the primary galleries wont entertain secondary sales / buy backs, consignment, or what ever the bloody term is.
Why do you think this is?
I think i know, but just asking ;D
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by amb on Jun 20, 2011 23:18:21 GMT 1, It is odd that alot of the primary galleries wont entertain secondary sales / buy backs, consignment, or what ever the bloody term is. Why do you think this is? I think i know, but just asking ;D
Mainly because they can't.
It is odd that alot of the primary galleries wont entertain secondary sales / buy backs, consignment, or what ever the bloody term is. Why do you think this is? I think i know, but just asking ;D Mainly because they can't. |
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 23:26:56 GMT 1, It is odd that alot of the primary galleries wont entertain secondary sales / buy backs, consignment, or what ever the bloody term is. Why do you think this is? I think i know, but just asking ;D Mainly because they can't.
Why not?.
I would have thought Elms would have a list of people who were interested in Parla's work they could email and try and get rid of them to his fans.
They could make a few quid out of it. You would be happy, job done.
It is odd that alot of the primary galleries wont entertain secondary sales / buy backs, consignment, or what ever the bloody term is. Why do you think this is? I think i know, but just asking ;D Mainly because they can't. Why not?. I would have thought Elms would have a list of people who were interested in Parla's work they could email and try and get rid of them to his fans. They could make a few quid out of it. You would be happy, job done. |
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5 x Jose Parla originals for sale, by amb on Jun 20, 2011 23:31:35 GMT 1, Mainly because they can't. Why not?. I would have thought Elms would have a list of people who were interested in Parla's work they could email and try and get rid of them to his fans. They could make a few quid out of it. You would be happy, job done.
10% to 20% is they sell the piece they got from me.
50% if they sell the piece they got from the artist.
When there's no shortage of work from the artist, why bother selling mine?
I guess 30% to 40% is the reason:)
Mainly because they can't. Why not?. I would have thought Elms would have a list of people who were interested in Parla's work they could email and try and get rid of them to his fans. They could make a few quid out of it. You would be happy, job done. 10% to 20% is they sell the piece they got from me. 50% if they sell the piece they got from the artist. When there's no shortage of work from the artist, why bother selling mine? I guess 30% to 40% is the reason:) |
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