Like another Rotten Red Rooster all over again. Long time member fucks over a load of forum members🙄

I have just been sent this thread as well as having received a PM and I am certainly not looking to avoid the situation / not respond.

Jamie was sold a fake - it was shocking and he was 100% correct - I refunded his money and postage straight away and also spoke to him - I felt that I demonstrated to him that I didn't realise it was a fake ( or of course I would never have sold it in the first place ) but Jamie clearly doesn't believe me and instead chooses to talk about a personal conversation we had - that's cool - Jamie is cleary aggrieved and nothing I say or do is going to change his mind. I do think talking about my personal art collection etc is a bit " strong " but I suppose it is what it is.

This thread has clearly developed into a lot of madness / insanity from me selling these on Instragram through to having an ebay account selling expensive oil paintings to I assume (??) having something to do with selling fake " Wrong War " posters !?!?!?!?!

Aside from the madness what is 100% correct that somebody posted ( possibly Jamie ) is that anyone to have bought one of these, framed it, and stuck it on their wall only to find out it is fake is more than " shitty " - its absolutely fucking vile and I every sympathy.

I, therefore, want to make a few points -

Firstly, after looking at Jamie's - his is VERY different from the others that have been sold by both me and Tate Ward and although his is clearly fake it certainly doesn't mean others are.

Secondly, I would NEVER sell anything that I believed was a fake - on each occasion, they were sold/consigned to / by me I believed they came from a genuine source, and on some occasions ( to be fair not all) they were taken in from people who had consigned other more valuable works.

Finally, if anyone has ANY doubts whatsoever about the authenticity of a Tesco Petrol ( or in fact anything I / Tate Ward have sold them ) or indeed simply the fact that I sold Jamie a fake ( all be it not knowingly ) is so unpalatable to them then I will give them a full/unequivocal refund.

The only caveat I would add is that I would like to get the work I sold them back - someone posted ( I assume sarcastically ' I wonder why ") and the answer is quite simply I, in turn, want to try and get my money back.

I will only be answering PMs or of course, anyone I sold one too should have my number etc so please feel free to contact me.

What I am going to try and do is take the positive out of this situation and it is clear that there are all sorts o fakes out there and not just these - MP posters we have seen and I have no doubt the next thing will be the GDP rats etc and as an auction house we clearly need to get an awful lot better about spotting this stuff or maybe just stop selling it ??

This would make a fascinating write up for a proper investigative journalist. I would especially like to know how Ahmed, the guy selling Walled off Hotel box sets and wall pieces, got involved in selling fake Petrol Bomb posters via whatsapp? I'll bet he has a connection to Tate Ward selling said box sets and wall pieces.

Would be hard to prove a historical purchase was sold as a fake as they are produced in the thousands as an edition and the seller could state the buyer swapped ?
The amount of these all being sold at the same time with flyers was suspect , as nobody was crazy about the flyers back then and most were eager to just grab the posters
£50-100 these were trading for in the months after the release
These fakes have been around for ages
I bought one when they were priced at £150 6-7 years back?returned to ebay
The flyer was too dark and the poster next to a real one stands out blatantly

I am surprised with the usual nonsense going on here
David & Claire didn’t get a mention

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Morning all.

I see Nick has been on here to try and throw me under the bus.

There is much more to this story and I have more information of why my disclosure of a conversation is relevant as he used the exact same story on the phone to another buyer of a fake as a reason as to why he wouldn’t sell fakes knowingly. I would suggest that amount that have seemingly been sold over the years it is with it.

I won’t post it all on here.

As many already have I’m happy to PM about.
Or maybe a group zoom call.

Lobster/Nick did confirm to me that they didn’t have the skill or capacity to validate if the posters etc are genuine and that maybe I should work for them as I have a good eye. He did also say that maybe TW should just stop dealing in them. That’s was in September. Must still be thinking about it while the cash rolls in.

At this rate,the fakes become the real ones.

ah yes I bought one - but can’t remember the seller.
It’s in a box

Simple question lobster how many have you sold?

I wonder what percentage of these were genuine if any?

Thanks Andy Pandy - I appreciate the input.

The legal route is possibly not the answer but it is a route I intend to go whether I can spell defamation or not .... I / Tate Ward have a clear audit trail where these have come from and as I keep saying I would never knowingly sell anything I believed to be fake.

Maybe it was always going to be the case but when people are posting what they are, setting up new accounts , calling me a cunt etc etc I really have no choice

Your 100% right it would make sense to contact people rather than wait until they contact me which I will do and Tate Ward will be doing the same.

As mentioned above the one sold in October was consigned by a long-standing member here and we could potentially use that to compare others too.

This may or may not be relevant but I have had a recent dealing with Lobster with a large sum of money involved and it went incredibly smoothly. He was very trusting and seemed a straight forward type of guy.

I would be disappointed if now knowing what we do that the situation wasnt made right for all parties, particularly during the midst of a recession/pandemic.

I still have a couple of petrol bombs that I queued up for and therefore know to be genuine. I would be happy to compare any high res images against them if it helps (offer open to all forum members).

Very funny, I have just had my house replastered, so trying to remove the  stains