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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by Warm Gun on Jun 10, 2011 18:44:20 GMT 1, Yeah, maybe it is natural progression. Some of these artists have indeed put a lot of time into street art for gawd knows how many years, perhaps they deserve a bit of success. Boundaries have become blurred though. Maybe it's art evolution. If it is I'll stop following it so much and look for the next underground movement. I find them more interesting.
As for those members who manipulate, hype, and flip work until their greedy palms bleed all without anyone speaking out or questioning their motives....well, I could give you half a dozen names right now but my account would be deleted quicker than Ryan Giggs can get out of his pants the lucky lucky bar steward.
I haven't seen the banksy seen collab yet tbh It does sound a bit epic though.
Yeah, maybe it is natural progression. Some of these artists have indeed put a lot of time into street art for gawd knows how many years, perhaps they deserve a bit of success. Boundaries have become blurred though. Maybe it's art evolution. If it is I'll stop following it so much and look for the next underground movement. I find them more interesting.
As for those members who manipulate, hype, and flip work until their greedy palms bleed all without anyone speaking out or questioning their motives....well, I could give you half a dozen names right now but my account would be deleted quicker than Ryan Giggs can get out of his pants the lucky lucky bar steward.
I haven't seen the banksy seen collab yet tbh It does sound a bit epic though.
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by curiousgeorge on Jun 10, 2011 18:49:50 GMT 1, Next movement? This stopped being underground A LONG time ago
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Next movement? This stopped being underground A LONG time ago Banksy x Seen
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 19:50:09 GMT 1, I don't think street art has come full circle at all otherwise it would be all about profiteering and products and fame and new prints and museum shows....ah wait, it is, maybe you're right. Should artists who illegally vandalise the streets then seek recognition and a source of income for their misdemeanors? doesn't that defy the whole point? I don't like the taste this show leaves in my mouth, this whole museum homage to street art doesn't seem to sit right with me. I think I used to understand the whole need for an artist to show their work off, to hit a bland wall with a colourfull art work, to leave a mark, to beautify, to express, make people smile, be a bit rebellious and all that crap, now all I see is artists using the medium as an instant platform to fame and fortune. Maybe there's nothing wrong with that, we all have to start somewhere......I don't bloody know. I tell you one thing that does make me want to puke though.......when a so called street artist spends years pumping out work under a street name but then, after a while, drops that name and starts promoting themselves under their own name in an effort to be taken more seriously.....what a load of old bollocks that is!.....I've seen it quite a few times now. Graff is for the streets not a museum or gallery.
I used to think so, but now I realise that was just me projecting what I wanted onto the scene. End of the day, they're artists like any other, and let's not forget, most took to the streets out of necessity not choice. There simply wasn't any place to show their work.
I don't think street art has come full circle at all otherwise it would be all about profiteering and products and fame and new prints and museum shows....ah wait, it is, maybe you're right. Should artists who illegally vandalise the streets then seek recognition and a source of income for their misdemeanors? doesn't that defy the whole point? I don't like the taste this show leaves in my mouth, this whole museum homage to street art doesn't seem to sit right with me. I think I used to understand the whole need for an artist to show their work off, to hit a bland wall with a colourfull art work, to leave a mark, to beautify, to express, make people smile, be a bit rebellious and all that crap, now all I see is artists using the medium as an instant platform to fame and fortune. Maybe there's nothing wrong with that, we all have to start somewhere......I don't bloody know. I tell you one thing that does make me want to puke though.......when a so called street artist spends years pumping out work under a street name but then, after a while, drops that name and starts promoting themselves under their own name in an effort to be taken more seriously.....what a load of old bollocks that is!.....I've seen it quite a few times now. Graff is for the streets not a museum or gallery. I used to think so, but now I realise that was just me projecting what I wanted onto the scene. End of the day, they're artists like any other, and let's not forget, most took to the streets out of necessity not choice. There simply wasn't any place to show their work.
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by lee3 on Jun 10, 2011 20:03:29 GMT 1, Warmgun:
The last place I want rules is art. If some artists wish to show in a museum and others do not, no problem. To suggest all street artists should not show in a museum is ridiculous as they are all individuals and free to do as they choose. If you do not want your work in a museum that is your prerogative. But the same rules need not apply through silly affiliation from similarity or time. Your crusade is a lost cause from my vantage point.
As to why this show is even taking place, that's the better question you raised at least to me. Moca stepped out of tradition and hired a gallerist who has built his reputation on street art for decades now. Further, Moca was hemorrhaging capital and the decision to break with ranks was one of business certainly. Detich was hired first and foremost to drive foot traffic and improve the economics of Moca. He's certainly executing from that perspective though clearly fumbled the ball in a few instances too but we're all far from perfect.
It's not a bad start between this and the Tate though admittedly I was left underwhelmed. The museums function as a the note of historical importance and I think it's safe to assume that street art will be at the very least a footnote in that regard and perhaps something much greater. But, we'll let our kids figure that one out. Nice gesture just the same for free Monday's.
Warmgun:
The last place I want rules is art. If some artists wish to show in a museum and others do not, no problem. To suggest all street artists should not show in a museum is ridiculous as they are all individuals and free to do as they choose. If you do not want your work in a museum that is your prerogative. But the same rules need not apply through silly affiliation from similarity or time. Your crusade is a lost cause from my vantage point.
As to why this show is even taking place, that's the better question you raised at least to me. Moca stepped out of tradition and hired a gallerist who has built his reputation on street art for decades now. Further, Moca was hemorrhaging capital and the decision to break with ranks was one of business certainly. Detich was hired first and foremost to drive foot traffic and improve the economics of Moca. He's certainly executing from that perspective though clearly fumbled the ball in a few instances too but we're all far from perfect.
It's not a bad start between this and the Tate though admittedly I was left underwhelmed. The museums function as a the note of historical importance and I think it's safe to assume that street art will be at the very least a footnote in that regard and perhaps something much greater. But, we'll let our kids figure that one out. Nice gesture just the same for free Monday's.
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by dkla on Jun 10, 2011 20:05:47 GMT 1,
Banksy's gesture is so appreciated by the community. The man rocks.
Banksy's gesture is so appreciated by the community. The man rocks.
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by Warm Gun on Jun 10, 2011 21:09:41 GMT 1, Lee3 I would reply to your post but I didn't read it all, to long winded with an air of know it all, (sorry if that sounds rude) I lost interest halfway through (true story)
I can however tell you I'm on no crusade, that's a daft thing to say as I couldn't give a fuck if anyone wants to pay to look at street art in a gallery, it's a free world after all. The notion just seemed strange to me. Wish I hadn't mentioned it now.
Lee3 I would reply to your post but I didn't read it all, to long winded with an air of know it all, (sorry if that sounds rude) I lost interest halfway through (true story)
I can however tell you I'm on no crusade, that's a daft thing to say as I couldn't give a fuck if anyone wants to pay to look at street art in a gallery, it's a free world after all. The notion just seemed strange to me. Wish I hadn't mentioned it now.
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by mmmike on Jun 10, 2011 21:37:46 GMT 1, Lee3 I would reply to your post but I didn't read it all, to long winded with an air of know it all, (sorry if that sounds rude) I lost interest halfway through (true story) I can however tell you I'm on no crusade, that's a daft thing to say as I couldn't give a f**k if anyone wants to pay to look at street art in a gallery, it's a free world after all. The notion just seemed strange to me. Wish I hadn't mentioned it now.
lol. i liked the "true story" bit. I skimmed the rest
Lee3 I would reply to your post but I didn't read it all, to long winded with an air of know it all, (sorry if that sounds rude) I lost interest halfway through (true story) I can however tell you I'm on no crusade, that's a daft thing to say as I couldn't give a f**k if anyone wants to pay to look at street art in a gallery, it's a free world after all. The notion just seemed strange to me. Wish I hadn't mentioned it now. lol. i liked the "true story" bit. I skimmed the rest
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by Warm Gun on Jun 10, 2011 21:39:01 GMT 1, hahah, that'll teach me!
hahah, that'll teach me!
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by wizzy on Jun 10, 2011 22:22:40 GMT 1, Next movement? This stopped being underground A LONG time ago Banksy x Seen
I like that.
Next movement? This stopped being underground A LONG time ago Banksy x Seen I like that.
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by Warm Gun on Jun 10, 2011 22:30:29 GMT 1, I really like it!
I really like it!
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by Coach on Jun 10, 2011 22:33:15 GMT 1, Next movement? This stopped being underground A LONG time ago Banksy x Seen I like that.
Me too - again, not something I have seen beofre - brilliant!
Next movement? This stopped being underground A LONG time ago Banksy x Seen I like that. Me too - again, not something I have seen beofre - brilliant!
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by des77 on Jun 10, 2011 23:00:50 GMT 1, old skool, always loved that. One of the best Banksy canvas's imo
old skool, always loved that. One of the best Banksy canvas's imo
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by Heavyconsumer on Jun 10, 2011 23:12:50 GMT 1, Warmgun: The last place I want rules is art. If some artists wish to show in a museum and others do not, no problem. To suggest all street artists should not show in a museum is ridiculous as they are all individuals and free to do as they choose. If you do not want your work in a museum that is your prerogative. But the same rules need not apply through silly affiliation from similarity or time. Your crusade is a lost cause from my vantage point. As to why this show is even taking place, that's the better question you raised at least to me. Moca stepped out of tradition and hired a gallerist who has built his reputation on street art for decades now. Further, Moca was hemorrhaging capital and the decision to break with ranks was one of business certainly. Detich was hired first and foremost to drive foot traffic and improve the economics of Moca. He's certainly executing from that perspective though clearly fumbled the ball in a few instances too but we're all far from perfect. It's not a bad start between this and the Tate though admittedly I was left underwhelmed. The museums function as a the note of historical importance and I think it's safe to assume that street art will be at the very least a footnote in that regard and perhaps something much greater. But, we'll let our kids figure that one out. Nice gesture just the same for free Monday's.
Great post Lee. Some museums and/or curators may feel a duty to exhibit culture, whether that be from past civilizations/ages or today's. I think this is an important function of some museums, specifically where art is concerned. How better to show our zeitgeist, than to show different elements of our artistic culture? Those who see all forms of urban culture as subversive by definition need to wake up and smell the coffee, urban culture has always influenced mainstream trends and if you can't stomach that progression where its art is concerned, it may be time to find some other new interests which are still seen as antisocial and not embraced by the masses. How many artists have been mentioned by all the world's major media outlets more than Banksy in the past decade? What may have started life as one thing has grown/developed/evolved into something else. It may agree or disagree with any individual, but it is what it is.
IMO this is an important and positive occurrence as it gives street artists a great deal more credit, recognition and license than ever before. Some may find this distasteful as perhaps they weren't seeking it and possibly reveled in their outlaw status, particularly in countries like the UK or USA, but in other places where artists previously had no access to various outlets for their work and used the streets as their canvass, not to rebel or vandalize but simply as an opportunity to express themselves, I'm sure they're delighted to be accepted/promoted as artists and to be able to earn a living from what they love doing.
It's shows like this which will cement the importance of street art in history IMO and quite rightly so. Banksy and all the other street artists out there have just as much right to be treasured, appreciated, remembered as the rest do, perhaps more so even. After all wasn't it them who were out there doing their thing even before they were getting rewarded for it? Isn't that the purest essence of self-expression? I think Banksy's legacy is exactly this, that he may have been instrumental in helping to change how not only elite art collectors, but the world as a whole views art in future generations. I doubt there are too many living artists more deserving of being exhibited in museums (not that I'm an art expert, cause I'm not).
Warmgun: The last place I want rules is art. If some artists wish to show in a museum and others do not, no problem. To suggest all street artists should not show in a museum is ridiculous as they are all individuals and free to do as they choose. If you do not want your work in a museum that is your prerogative. But the same rules need not apply through silly affiliation from similarity or time. Your crusade is a lost cause from my vantage point. As to why this show is even taking place, that's the better question you raised at least to me. Moca stepped out of tradition and hired a gallerist who has built his reputation on street art for decades now. Further, Moca was hemorrhaging capital and the decision to break with ranks was one of business certainly. Detich was hired first and foremost to drive foot traffic and improve the economics of Moca. He's certainly executing from that perspective though clearly fumbled the ball in a few instances too but we're all far from perfect. It's not a bad start between this and the Tate though admittedly I was left underwhelmed. The museums function as a the note of historical importance and I think it's safe to assume that street art will be at the very least a footnote in that regard and perhaps something much greater. But, we'll let our kids figure that one out. Nice gesture just the same for free Monday's. Great post Lee. Some museums and/or curators may feel a duty to exhibit culture, whether that be from past civilizations/ages or today's. I think this is an important function of some museums, specifically where art is concerned. How better to show our zeitgeist, than to show different elements of our artistic culture? Those who see all forms of urban culture as subversive by definition need to wake up and smell the coffee, urban culture has always influenced mainstream trends and if you can't stomach that progression where its art is concerned, it may be time to find some other new interests which are still seen as antisocial and not embraced by the masses. How many artists have been mentioned by all the world's major media outlets more than Banksy in the past decade? What may have started life as one thing has grown/developed/evolved into something else. It may agree or disagree with any individual, but it is what it is. IMO this is an important and positive occurrence as it gives street artists a great deal more credit, recognition and license than ever before. Some may find this distasteful as perhaps they weren't seeking it and possibly reveled in their outlaw status, particularly in countries like the UK or USA, but in other places where artists previously had no access to various outlets for their work and used the streets as their canvass, not to rebel or vandalize but simply as an opportunity to express themselves, I'm sure they're delighted to be accepted/promoted as artists and to be able to earn a living from what they love doing. It's shows like this which will cement the importance of street art in history IMO and quite rightly so. Banksy and all the other street artists out there have just as much right to be treasured, appreciated, remembered as the rest do, perhaps more so even. After all wasn't it them who were out there doing their thing even before they were getting rewarded for it? Isn't that the purest essence of self-expression? I think Banksy's legacy is exactly this, that he may have been instrumental in helping to change how not only elite art collectors, but the world as a whole views art in future generations. I doubt there are too many living artists more deserving of being exhibited in museums (not that I'm an art expert, cause I'm not).
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by dime683 on Jun 11, 2011 20:48:45 GMT 1, its also free on thursdays from 5-8 just adding my 2¢
its also free on thursdays from 5-8 just adding my 2¢
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by curiousgeorge on Jun 11, 2011 21:35:47 GMT 1, Quite an apt picture for the discussion eh Warmgun
Quite an apt picture for the discussion eh Warmgun
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Banksy Sponsors FREE entry to MOCA ., by popmozz on Aug 4, 2011 14:11:36 GMT 1, nice chat here, i like the slight changes in these over the last years. we all grew up a little bit...
nice chat here, i like the slight changes in these over the last years. we all grew up a little bit...
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