skitchy
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by skitchy on Jul 12, 2011 20:19:46 GMT 1, Purely hypothetical  but would like to know peoples opinions on this matter...
Would you ever be tempted to sell or trade a signed banksy to get a number of the older 'classic' un-signed prints?
how many u/s would it take?
Purely hypothetical but would like to know peoples opinions on this matter... Would you ever be tempted to sell or trade a signed banksy to get a number of the older 'classic' un-signed prints? how many u/s would it take? |
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Richard
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by Richard on Jul 12, 2011 20:33:28 GMT 1, Yup! Give me an U/S Queen Vic or Laugh now over any of the newer signed pieces...
Yup! Give me an U/S Queen Vic or Laugh now over any of the newer signed pieces...
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pcant
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by pcant on Jul 12, 2011 20:39:00 GMT 1, It would depend on the image, but yeah, I'd take a Rude Copper or Laugh Now u/s over a CYW or NBG.
It would depend on the image, but yeah, I'd take a Rude Copper or Laugh Now u/s over a CYW or NBG.
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by Coach on Jul 12, 2011 20:47:40 GMT 1, Yes if it was RC. In a second. LN maybe. GWB maybe too.
Otherwise, no.
Yes if it was RC. In a second. LN maybe. GWB maybe too.
Otherwise, no.
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by fingerz on Jul 12, 2011 20:48:13 GMT 1, yes ..... i'd have LITA , Pulp , Rats , J&J , GWB and I Fought the Law ( but i'd give this to illu2305 cos he like's more than me ) ....
yes ..... i'd have LITA , Pulp , Rats , J&J , GWB and I Fought the Law ( but i'd give this to illu2305 cos he like's more than me ) .... |
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skitchy
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by skitchy on Jul 12, 2011 21:06:25 GMT 1, Yes I would agree owning those classic images that got me into banksy in the first place would be amazing!
... but in terms of investment value would you be taking a future loss?
Yes I would agree owning those classic images that got me into banksy in the first place would be amazing!
... but in terms of investment value would you be taking a future loss?
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mouser
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by mouser on Jul 12, 2011 21:12:53 GMT 1, Yes I would agree owning those classic images that got me into banksy in the first place would be amazing! ... but in terms of investment value would you be taking a future loss? 
Yes I would agree owning those classic images that got me into banksy in the first place would be amazing! ... but in terms of investment value would you be taking a future loss? maybe invest in the markets instead and if you make any money use that to buy art, as viewing the potential "investment value" of art prints seems like a sure fire way to lose your money whether the print is signed or not.... |
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Richard
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by Richard on Jul 12, 2011 21:19:38 GMT 1, Yes I would agree owning those classic images that got me into banksy in the first place would be amazing! ... but in terms of investment value would you be taking a future loss?
I think the opposite - I think these iconic unsigned prints will be the ones we will see increase in value over time as opposed to weaker signed images.
Yes I would agree owning those classic images that got me into banksy in the first place would be amazing! ... but in terms of investment value would you be taking a future loss? I think the opposite - I think these iconic unsigned prints will be the ones we will see increase in value over time as opposed to weaker signed images. |
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mouser
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by mouser on Jul 12, 2011 21:20:59 GMT 1, Yes I would agree owning those classic images that got me into banksy in the first place would be amazing! ... but in terms of investment value would you be taking a future loss? I think the opposite - I think these iconic unsigned prints will be the ones we will see increase in value over time as opposed to weaker signed images.
sssssshh! 
Yes I would agree owning those classic images that got me into banksy in the first place would be amazing! ... but in terms of investment value would you be taking a future loss? I think the opposite - I think these iconic unsigned prints will be the ones we will see increase in value over time as opposed to weaker signed images. sssssshh! |
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skitchy
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by skitchy on Jul 12, 2011 21:33:21 GMT 1, Yes I would agree owning those classic images that got me into banksy in the first place would be amazing! ... but in terms of investment value would you be taking a future loss? maybe invest in the markets instead and if you make any money use that to buy art, as viewing the potential "investment value" of art prints seems like a sure fire way to lose your money whether the print is signed or not....
its funny you say that..I only brought that up after checking out jeffrey archers recent sale and his warhol prints, remember being intrigued by the massive difference in signed and unsigned prices on the same image.
Yes I would agree owning those classic images that got me into banksy in the first place would be amazing! ... but in terms of investment value would you be taking a future loss? maybe invest in the markets instead and if you make any money use that to buy art, as viewing the potential "investment value" of art prints seems like a sure fire way to lose your money whether the print is signed or not.... its funny you say that..I only brought that up after checking out jeffrey archers recent sale and his warhol prints, remember being intrigued by the massive difference in signed and unsigned prices on the same image. |
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by howlinhooker on Jul 12, 2011 23:39:20 GMT 1, was jeffery archers sale any good ? , anyway a rude copper for sure is worthy of a newer signed print anyday
was jeffery archers sale any good ? , anyway a rude copper for sure is worthy of a newer signed print anyday
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achtungbono
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by achtungbono on Jul 13, 2011 10:16:30 GMT 1, much of the past few years output has been shit IMHO - weak images to fulfill the punters demand. Signed or not, a golf sale is more evocative than a CYW.
This in no way detracts from the street work and the art happenings of the same period of course
The victims on the street who need that latest Banksy must have are often bereft of taste
Go old if you have to,but go for the image every time
You want investment, stick your cash into commodity stocks
much of the past few years output has been shit IMHO - weak images to fulfill the punters demand. Signed or not, a golf sale is more evocative than a CYW.
This in no way detracts from the street work and the art happenings of the same period of course
The victims on the street who need that latest Banksy must have are often bereft of taste
Go old if you have to,but go for the image every time
You want investment, stick your cash into commodity stocks
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Goooogle Male
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by Goooogle Male on Jul 13, 2011 10:50:37 GMT 1, My theory on this is that Pest Control certs have made unsigned banksy's much more collectible and able to hold ther value, as they add a direct connection to the artist in a way that many unsigned prints do not.
I also totally agree with most of the other points made so far:
1) the old images are infinitely better (more politically astute) than the newer ones - and in art the quality alwas rises to the top. Edition wise, there are almost certainly more mint condition signed NBG or Stop & Searches (and certainly more CYW's) than there are mint unsigned LiiTA's, BME, LN or Rude Coppers left, so from supply and demand perspective, yes those older, scarcer prints are definitely as collectible, if not more so. In 5 years those 3 unsigned will surely increase in value over the high edition signed ones as there will be many more new ones in the future, but nothing will eer be able to increase the supply of the old ones.
2) don't buy art to make money, buy it cos you love it! As said, invest in stocks or whavtever and use the returns to buy art. For sure, try never to pay a price you don't feel you xould recoup , but as an investment its a pretty uncertain way of doing things
3) if (going bamck in time) FROM NEW you had the choice between unsigned and signed version, signed is the way forward, 100%. However, if buying on the secondary market, most of the investment potential of the signed version will hsve alrady been realised by the person who bought from new and resold at the market rate, so the difference in long term price inflation potential between paying ยฃ1k for an unsigned and 3.5k for a signed is dramatically reduced.
All IMHO, obv...your investment can go down as well as up. You may not get back your original investment and your home is at risk if you spend all your rent money on artwork ;-)
My theory on this is that Pest Control certs have made unsigned banksy's much more collectible and able to hold ther value, as they add a direct connection to the artist in a way that many unsigned prints do not.
I also totally agree with most of the other points made so far:
1) the old images are infinitely better (more politically astute) than the newer ones - and in art the quality alwas rises to the top. Edition wise, there are almost certainly more mint condition signed NBG or Stop & Searches (and certainly more CYW's) than there are mint unsigned LiiTA's, BME, LN or Rude Coppers left, so from supply and demand perspective, yes those older, scarcer prints are definitely as collectible, if not more so. In 5 years those 3 unsigned will surely increase in value over the high edition signed ones as there will be many more new ones in the future, but nothing will eer be able to increase the supply of the old ones.
2) don't buy art to make money, buy it cos you love it! As said, invest in stocks or whavtever and use the returns to buy art. For sure, try never to pay a price you don't feel you xould recoup , but as an investment its a pretty uncertain way of doing things
3) if (going bamck in time) FROM NEW you had the choice between unsigned and signed version, signed is the way forward, 100%. However, if buying on the secondary market, most of the investment potential of the signed version will hsve alrady been realised by the person who bought from new and resold at the market rate, so the difference in long term price inflation potential between paying ยฃ1k for an unsigned and 3.5k for a signed is dramatically reduced.
All IMHO, obv...your investment can go down as well as up. You may not get back your original investment and your home is at risk if you spend all your rent money on artwork ;-)
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by fingerz on Jul 13, 2011 10:53:41 GMT 1, All IMHO, obv...your investment can go down as well as up. You may not get back your original investment and your home is at risk if you spend all your rent money on artwork ;-)
lol
All IMHO, obv...your investment can go down as well as up. You may not get back your original investment and your home is at risk if you spend all your rent money on artwork ;-)
lol
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Cornish Crayon
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by Cornish Crayon on Jul 13, 2011 11:00:02 GMT 1, My theory on this is that Pest Control certs have made unsigned banksy's much more collectible and able to hold ther value, as they add a direct connection to the artist in a way that many unsigned prints do not. I also totally agree with most of the other points made so far: 1) the old images are infinitely better (more politically astute) than the newer ones - and in art the quality alwas rises to the top. Edition wise, there are almost certainly more mint condition signed NBG or Stop & Searches (and certainly more CYW's) than there are mint unsigned LiiTA's, BME, LN or Rude Coppers left, so from supply and demand perspective, yes those older, scarcer prints are definitely as collectible, if not more so. In 5 years those 3 unsigned will surely increase in value over the high edition signed ones as there will be many more new ones in the future, but nothing will eer be able to increase the supply of the old ones. 2) don't buy art to make money, buy it cos you love it! As said, invest in stocks or whavtever and use the returns to buy art. For sure, try never to pay a price you don't feel you xould recoup , but as an investment its a pretty uncertain way of doing things 3) if (going bamck in time) FROM NEW you had the choice between unsigned and signed version, signed is the way forward, 100%. However, if buying on the secondary market, most of the investment potential of the signed version will hsve alrady been realised by the person who bought from new and resold at the market rate, so the difference in long term price inflation potential between paying ยฃ1k for an unsigned and 3.5k for a signed is dramatically reduced. All IMHO, obv...your investment can go down as well as up. You may not get back your original investment and your home is at risk if you spend all your rent money on artwork ;-)
Nail and head, couldn't have said it any better myself.............
..........I wouldn't dare ;D
My theory on this is that Pest Control certs have made unsigned banksy's much more collectible and able to hold ther value, as they add a direct connection to the artist in a way that many unsigned prints do not. I also totally agree with most of the other points made so far: 1) the old images are infinitely better (more politically astute) than the newer ones - and in art the quality alwas rises to the top. Edition wise, there are almost certainly more mint condition signed NBG or Stop & Searches (and certainly more CYW's) than there are mint unsigned LiiTA's, BME, LN or Rude Coppers left, so from supply and demand perspective, yes those older, scarcer prints are definitely as collectible, if not more so. In 5 years those 3 unsigned will surely increase in value over the high edition signed ones as there will be many more new ones in the future, but nothing will eer be able to increase the supply of the old ones. 2) don't buy art to make money, buy it cos you love it! As said, invest in stocks or whavtever and use the returns to buy art. For sure, try never to pay a price you don't feel you xould recoup , but as an investment its a pretty uncertain way of doing things 3) if (going bamck in time) FROM NEW you had the choice between unsigned and signed version, signed is the way forward, 100%. However, if buying on the secondary market, most of the investment potential of the signed version will hsve alrady been realised by the person who bought from new and resold at the market rate, so the difference in long term price inflation potential between paying ยฃ1k for an unsigned and 3.5k for a signed is dramatically reduced. All IMHO, obv...your investment can go down as well as up. You may not get back your original investment and your home is at risk if you spend all your rent money on artwork ;-) Nail and head, couldn't have said it any better myself............. ..........I wouldn't dare ;D |
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skitchy
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by skitchy on Jul 13, 2011 11:11:57 GMT 1, another thing worth mentioning...'going back in time' banksy's signature wasn't worth anything in the early days and from what iv heard a lot of the very early prints were rarely signed. i.e it was TOTALLY about the image back then.
another thing worth mentioning...'going back in time' banksy's signature wasn't worth anything in the early days and from what iv heard a lot of the very early prints were rarely signed. i.e it was TOTALLY about the image back then.
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johnnyh
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by johnnyh on Jul 13, 2011 15:50:18 GMT 1, This an interestinhg debate as its about signatures rather than the images in a sense.
In later editions as long as you have tyhe cash signed are available resonably easily.
However signed earlier are not. I try to only buy signed prints not just Banksy. However in his earlier ones this is very difficult so )ou often take what you can get and that is often unsigned. Not saying signed is impossible but either availability or price makes it hard.
I would say no to the swap though as not saying some imaghes are or are not better. Just do not want to part with what I have. As hope will get the other as well some time.
Johnny
This an interestinhg debate as its about signatures rather than the images in a sense.
In later editions as long as you have tyhe cash signed are available resonably easily.
However signed earlier are not. I try to only buy signed prints not just Banksy. However in his earlier ones this is very difficult so )ou often take what you can get and that is often unsigned. Not saying signed is impossible but either availability or price makes it hard.
I would say no to the swap though as not saying some imaghes are or are not better. Just do not want to part with what I have. As hope will get the other as well some time.
Johnny
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by Ruggs on Jul 13, 2011 16:27:56 GMT 1, My theory on this is that Pest Control certs have made unsigned banksy's much more collectible and able to hold ther value, as they add a direct connection to the artist in a way that many unsigned prints do not. I also totally agree with most of the other points made so far: 1) the old images are infinitely better (more politically astute) than the newer ones - and in art the quality alwas rises to the top. Edition wise, there are almost certainly more mint condition signed NBG or Stop & Searches (and certainly more CYW's) than there are mint unsigned LiiTA's, BME, LN or Rude Coppers left, so from supply and demand perspective, yes those older, scarcer prints are definitely as collectible, if not more so. In 5 years those 3 unsigned will surely increase in value over the high edition signed ones as there will be many more new ones in the future, but nothing will eer be able to increase the supply of the old ones. 2) don't buy art to make money, buy it cos you love it! As said, invest in stocks or whavtever and use the returns to buy art. For sure, try never to pay a price you don't feel you xould recoup , but as an investment its a pretty uncertain way of doing things 3) if (going bamck in time) FROM NEW you had the choice between unsigned and signed version, signed is the way forward, 100%. However, if buying on the secondary market, most of the investment potential of the signed version will hsve alrady been realised by the person who bought from new and resold at the market rate, so the difference in long term price inflation potential between paying ยฃ1k for an unsigned and 3.5k for a signed is dramatically reduced. All IMHO, obv...your investment can go down as well as up. You may not get back your original investment and your home is at risk if you spend all your rent money on artwork ;-)
Great post gooooglemale! Pretty much all of what you've said I concur with.
My theory on this is that Pest Control certs have made unsigned banksy's much more collectible and able to hold ther value, as they add a direct connection to the artist in a way that many unsigned prints do not. I also totally agree with most of the other points made so far: 1) the old images are infinitely better (more politically astute) than the newer ones - and in art the quality alwas rises to the top. Edition wise, there are almost certainly more mint condition signed NBG or Stop & Searches (and certainly more CYW's) than there are mint unsigned LiiTA's, BME, LN or Rude Coppers left, so from supply and demand perspective, yes those older, scarcer prints are definitely as collectible, if not more so. In 5 years those 3 unsigned will surely increase in value over the high edition signed ones as there will be many more new ones in the future, but nothing will eer be able to increase the supply of the old ones. 2) don't buy art to make money, buy it cos you love it! As said, invest in stocks or whavtever and use the returns to buy art. For sure, try never to pay a price you don't feel you xould recoup , but as an investment its a pretty uncertain way of doing things 3) if (going bamck in time) FROM NEW you had the choice between unsigned and signed version, signed is the way forward, 100%. However, if buying on the secondary market, most of the investment potential of the signed version will hsve alrady been realised by the person who bought from new and resold at the market rate, so the difference in long term price inflation potential between paying ยฃ1k for an unsigned and 3.5k for a signed is dramatically reduced. All IMHO, obv...your investment can go down as well as up. You may not get back your original investment and your home is at risk if you spend all your rent money on artwork ;-) Great post gooooglemale! Pretty much all of what you've said I concur with. |
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by curiousgeorge on Jul 13, 2011 16:29:14 GMT 1, much of the past few years output has been s**t IMHO - weak images to fulfill the punters demand. Signed or not, a golf sale is more evocative than a CYW. This in no way detracts from the street work and the art happenings of the same period of course The victims on the street who need that latest Banksy must have are often bereft of taste Go old if you have to,but go for the image every time You want investment, stick your cash into commodity stocks
Just thinking out loud, will we, in 4/5 years to come look at the recent prints in the same light as we do the older ones now?
Does recent work have less merit because of the increase in treating them as tools to earn money from? Personally think CYW is as evocative as GS, It's of the moment and with a strong message at least to me anyway
Just saying i don't think the past few years output as been weak or sh!t.The older prints represent a different time in our country and it's political/social landscape
much of the past few years output has been s**t IMHO - weak images to fulfill the punters demand. Signed or not, a golf sale is more evocative than a CYW. This in no way detracts from the street work and the art happenings of the same period of course The victims on the street who need that latest Banksy must have are often bereft of taste Go old if you have to,but go for the image every time You want investment, stick your cash into commodity stocks Just thinking out loud, will we, in 4/5 years to come look at the recent prints in the same light as we do the older ones now? Does recent work have less merit because of the increase in treating them as tools to earn money from? Personally think CYW is as evocative as GS, It's of the moment and with a strong message at least to me anyway Just saying i don't think the past few years output as been weak or sh!t.The older prints represent a different time in our country and it's political/social landscape |
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by anodyne13 on Jul 14, 2011 5:44:16 GMT 1, Unsigned prints are posters.
Unsigned prints are posters.
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by gibbin82 on Jul 14, 2011 8:37:30 GMT 1, Unsigned prints are posters.
So are the signed ones signed posters?
Unsigned prints are posters. So are the signed ones signed posters? |
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by Richard on Jul 14, 2011 12:40:43 GMT 1, Unsigned prints are posters.
Rubbish IMO.
Unsigned prints are posters. Rubbish IMO. |
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by howlinhooker on Jul 14, 2011 12:50:02 GMT 1, WELL they are all posters then .................
WELL they are all posters then .................
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by achtungbono on Jul 14, 2011 15:13:22 GMT 1, they are all just printed bit of paper at the end of the day
for me, I dont think anything from LA onward - say S&S - was reallty up to much - maybe NOLA - but after seeing VLH for the fist time, I was struck by its utter *meh* ness. Has he stuck an AK47 in the kids hands and put Ronald McDonald in the background , it would have been a fine pisstake of the whole direction of the genre.
Heresy in the Church of Banksy I know, but there you go.
I still believe that the art happenings, filums and shows since say bethleme, are decent enough to warrant praise though
Obviously Its far far better than anything I could have done
they are all just printed bit of paper at the end of the day
for me, I dont think anything from LA onward - say S&S - was reallty up to much - maybe NOLA - but after seeing VLH for the fist time, I was struck by its utter *meh* ness. Has he stuck an AK47 in the kids hands and put Ronald McDonald in the background , it would have been a fine pisstake of the whole direction of the genre.
Heresy in the Church of Banksy I know, but there you go.
I still believe that the art happenings, filums and shows since say bethleme, are decent enough to warrant praise though
Obviously Its far far better than anything I could have done
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Would you trade a signed Banksy for older US?, by skitchy on Jul 14, 2011 21:07:40 GMT 1, The Directer of a well known gallery told me the other day that the rise of Banksy is a once in a lifetime movement that many people who were in the right place at the right time profited from and will never happen again in the same way...I kind of have to agree with him on that... doubt even banksy wasn't expecting it.
Yes they are just bits of paper that cost less than a couple of pounds to make but yes as previously mentioned its an interesting debate as its about signatures rather than the images in a sense.
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Quick Question:
How much would a banksy signed piece of paper be worth?
The Directer of a well known gallery told me the other day that the rise of Banksy is a once in a lifetime movement that many people who were in the right place at the right time profited from and will never happen again in the same way...I kind of have to agree with him on that... doubt even banksy wasn't expecting it.
Yes they are just bits of paper that cost less than a couple of pounds to make but yes as previously mentioned its an interesting debate as its about signatures rather than the images in a sense.
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How much would a banksy signed piece of paper be worth?
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but would like to know peoples opinions on this matter...
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