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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by f07 on Aug 3, 2007 18:50:11 GMT 1, Try Gavin Turk on for size ;D 
Try Gavin Turk on for size ;D |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by tomhills1 on Aug 3, 2007 19:21:16 GMT 1, it may well be the most desirable but i think it is just a little bit overrated. alright then, a lot. girl in the red dress? leagues ahead, i really don't see the attraction in either the image or the concept of 21CL, a bit blah for me  . now shoot me down! No shooting down here mate, we are all entitled to an opinion! Totally agree with you that the 'Girl in a red dress' print is stunning BUT totally unavailable! Think they were only sold to people in the know! Totally disagree with you about 21CL though! But it would be a boring forum if we all thought alike!
very amicable of you john and you're a 21 CL owner are you not? i know, not the best example really with GITRD but i was basing that purely on image.
my honest opinion is that the desirability of 21CL is self-purpetuating, it becomes desirable because it's pretty and then becomes even more desirable because it's hard to get hold of because it's desirable, and so on.
maybe i'm accusing recent buyers of being shallow, i just don't get what all the fuss is about. i love his coloured works more than any others but i think micallef's subtlty is his ace card, when he goes a touch political/capitalist, it just does not do a thing for me.
better messages expressed in a more indearing manner by lesser artists in my opinion.
f*ck elton, friday night's alright for fighting
it may well be the most desirable but i think it is just a little bit overrated. alright then, a lot. girl in the red dress? leagues ahead, i really don't see the attraction in either the image or the concept of 21CL, a bit blah for me . now shoot me down! No shooting down here mate, we are all entitled to an opinion! Totally agree with you that the 'Girl in a red dress' print is stunning BUT totally unavailable! Think they were only sold to people in the know! Totally disagree with you about 21CL though! But it would be a boring forum if we all thought alike! very amicable of you john and you're a 21 CL owner are you not? i know, not the best example really with GITRD but i was basing that purely on image. my honest opinion is that the desirability of 21CL is self-purpetuating, it becomes desirable because it's pretty and then becomes even more desirable because it's hard to get hold of because it's desirable, and so on. maybe i'm accusing recent buyers of being shallow, i just don't get what all the fuss is about. i love his coloured works more than any others but i think micallef's subtlty is his ace card, when he goes a touch political/capitalist, it just does not do a thing for me. better messages expressed in a more indearing manner by lesser artists in my opinion. f*ck elton, friday night's alright for fighting |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by manchestermike on Aug 3, 2007 20:39:57 GMT 1, Seriously mate
21CL absolutely rocks
Seriously mate
21CL absolutely rocks
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Jamesy Wamesy on Aug 3, 2007 23:12:56 GMT 1, I also agree with the 21C not being Micallefs greatest work! one of the better prints although which is what i guess we are comparing. Ebay is flooded with Micallef work, due to the sudden increase in price of a few sales which suddenly had everyone hiking their prices up. Be serious about the LAZ prints though, you can not say it was 2 weeks ago so the price is not comparable! How can you value them at 6-7k or whatever when you havnt seen any sell at this, you are persuming that Mic's prints demand a certain percentage greater than the cost price?? So if a run of 100 were released at 15k then they would be on ebay for 25k??? i dont see your logic? Historically Mics prints have grown considerably in price but never before has he released prints at 4.7k a pop to my knowledge! Its like saying My Rude copper is worth 15k and i paid 75 squids, and my morons was 600 so that makes it around 50k's worth!!! an extreme i know but you get my jist!
There is nothing to say they could not be worth these prices.... A signed Banksy from POW hits ebay just after it sells out and will sell for 4 times the price.... I am not saying the Laz Mics are worth £16k + VAT, but if dmand is oustripping supply anything can happen....
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I also agree with the 21C not being Micallefs greatest work! one of the better prints although which is what i guess we are comparing. Ebay is flooded with Micallef work, due to the sudden increase in price of a few sales which suddenly had everyone hiking their prices up. Be serious about the LAZ prints though, you can not say it was 2 weeks ago so the price is not comparable! How can you value them at 6-7k or whatever when you havnt seen any sell at this, you are persuming that Mic's prints demand a certain percentage greater than the cost price?? So if a run of 100 were released at 15k then they would be on ebay for 25k??? i dont see your logic? Historically Mics prints have grown considerably in price but never before has he released prints at 4.7k a pop to my knowledge! Its like saying My Rude copper is worth 15k and i paid 75 squids, and my morons was 600 so that makes it around 50k's worth!!! an extreme i know but you get my jist! There is nothing to say they could not be worth these prices.... A signed Banksy from POW hits ebay just after it sells out and will sell for 4 times the price.... I am not saying the Laz Mics are worth £16k + VAT, but if dmand is oustripping supply anything can happen.... ;D |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by jonpud on Aug 6, 2007 8:03:38 GMT 1, No shooting down here mate, we are all entitled to an opinion! Totally agree with you that the 'Girl in a red dress' print is stunning BUT totally unavailable! Think they were only sold to people in the know! Totally disagree with you about 21CL though! But it would be a boring forum if we all thought alike! very amicable of you john and you're a 21 CL owner are you not? i know, not the best example really with GITRD but i was basing that purely on image. my honest opinion is that the desirability of 21CL is self-purpetuating, it becomes desirable because it's pretty and then becomes even more desirable because it's hard to get hold of because it's desirable, and so on. maybe i'm accusing recent buyers of being shallow, i just don't get what all the fuss is about. i love his coloured works more than any others but i think micallef's subtlty is his ace card, when he goes a touch political/capitalist, it just does not do a thing for me. better messages expressed in a more indearing manner by lesser artists in my opinion. f*ck elton, friday night's alright for fighting
Sorry, weekend away!! Yes mate I am a 21CL owner ;D, totally accept your opinion and agree with it, I would swap my 21CL plus cash for a GITRD in a heartbeat.......Anyone?? Problem is that I doubt any of us mere forum people have one! Need a name like R Williams to even have a chance!! 
No shooting down here mate, we are all entitled to an opinion! Totally agree with you that the 'Girl in a red dress' print is stunning BUT totally unavailable! Think they were only sold to people in the know! Totally disagree with you about 21CL though! But it would be a boring forum if we all thought alike! very amicable of you john and you're a 21 CL owner are you not? i know, not the best example really with GITRD but i was basing that purely on image. my honest opinion is that the desirability of 21CL is self-purpetuating, it becomes desirable because it's pretty and then becomes even more desirable because it's hard to get hold of because it's desirable, and so on. maybe i'm accusing recent buyers of being shallow, i just don't get what all the fuss is about. i love his coloured works more than any others but i think micallef's subtlty is his ace card, when he goes a touch political/capitalist, it just does not do a thing for me. better messages expressed in a more indearing manner by lesser artists in my opinion. f*ck elton, friday night's alright for fighting Sorry, weekend away!! Yes mate I am a 21CL owner ;D, totally accept your opinion and agree with it, I would swap my 21CL plus cash for a GITRD in a heartbeat.......Anyone?? Problem is that I doubt any of us mere forum people have one! Need a name like R Williams to even have a chance!! |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by peggysue on Aug 14, 2007 16:53:19 GMT 1, What is the going rate for these two?
What is the going rate for these two?
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by stuey09 on Aug 14, 2007 16:54:47 GMT 1, 13k wouldn't be too far out.
13k wouldn't be too far out.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by dave313perry on Aug 14, 2007 16:55:56 GMT 1, 13-14k IMO
13-14k IMO
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by mwjm0 on Aug 14, 2007 16:55:57 GMT 1, 13k wouldn't be too far out.
each?
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by jonpud on Aug 14, 2007 16:56:21 GMT 1, 21CL sold on ebay 2 days ago on BIN for 8k and i am aware of a Gallery that sold the pair for 14k last week (DD was 5k in that deal)
21CL sold on ebay 2 days ago on BIN for 8k and i am aware of a Gallery that sold the pair for 14k last week (DD was 5k in that deal)
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by stuey09 on Aug 14, 2007 16:57:47 GMT 1, 13k wouldn't be too far out. each?
;D Fucking hope not 
13k wouldn't be too far out. each? ;D Fucking hope not |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by peggysue on Aug 14, 2007 16:59:14 GMT 1, So what do you think individually?
So what do you think individually?
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by stuey09 on Aug 14, 2007 17:01:33 GMT 1, I think Jonpud covered it about right. 8-9k for 21c and approx 5k for DD. Good luck if you're looking to buy them. Both superb pictures IMHO.
I think Jonpud covered it about right. 8-9k for 21c and approx 5k for DD. Good luck if you're looking to buy them. Both superb pictures IMHO.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by oneeye on Aug 14, 2007 17:08:54 GMT 1, Personally, I think 21stCL is the holy grail of all Mic's. Should be at 10K in a minute. I hate myself for not stepping up on this months ago.
DD probably around 6.
After he crushes America...who knows. But one thing is for sure, they ain't getting cheaper.
Personally, I think 21stCL is the holy grail of all Mic's. Should be at 10K in a minute. I hate myself for not stepping up on this months ago.
DD probably around 6.
After he crushes America...who knows. But one thing is for sure, they ain't getting cheaper.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by thelastclown on Aug 14, 2007 18:19:59 GMT 1, hi all! who wants to get my 21stcl and dd matching edition 3/3 PP? they are very very rare :-)
hi all! who wants to get my 21stcl and dd matching edition 3/3 PP? they are very very rare :-)
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by thelastclown on Aug 14, 2007 18:21:16 GMT 1, ...i might strart thinking about for offers up 15k!
...i might strart thinking about for offers up 15k!
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by peggysue on Aug 14, 2007 18:48:43 GMT 1, As you should.
As you should.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Jamesy Wamesy on Aug 14, 2007 21:13:28 GMT 1, hi all! who wants to get my 21stcl and dd matching edition 3/3 PP? they are very very rare :-)
PPs and APs, what really makes the difference, to be honest these days nothing IMO. As these prints are Giclee it is not like the screen is fading over edition numbers, they should all be the same quality.
I actually find something off putting about them, like they are not part of the family, cousins or something like that... We all have our favourite edition numbers, and of course No1 is special.
This is just my opinion, and am know for talking poop now and then... 
hi all! who wants to get my 21stcl and dd matching edition 3/3 PP? they are very very rare :-) PPs and APs, what really makes the difference, to be honest these days nothing IMO. As these prints are Giclee it is not like the screen is fading over edition numbers, they should all be the same quality. I actually find something off putting about them, like they are not part of the family, cousins or something like that... We all have our favourite edition numbers, and of course No1 is special. This is just my opinion, and am know for talking poop now and then... |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by dave313perry on Aug 14, 2007 21:24:54 GMT 1, A/P's and P/P's of giclee prints whats all that about!? another money spinner??? just a theory
A/P's and P/P's of giclee prints whats all that about!? another money spinner??? just a theory
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by numusic on Aug 14, 2007 21:30:19 GMT 1, A/P's and P/P's of giclee prints whats all that about!? another money spinner??? just a theory
Yep, especially as they seem to be sold before the main run. It's a mugs game to pay more. Obey and several others send them out randomly. P/P's are a different matter maybe, held by the printer/artist and occassionaly sold much further down the line or given away to friends/helpers whatever. Usually exchanged for services renderred. For galleries and agents to sell them at the same time or before tghe run is sold out. Well, extending the run to make mroe money is the only motive.
A/P's and P/P's of giclee prints whats all that about!? another money spinner??? just a theory Yep, especially as they seem to be sold before the main run. It's a mugs game to pay more. Obey and several others send them out randomly. P/P's are a different matter maybe, held by the printer/artist and occassionaly sold much further down the line or given away to friends/helpers whatever. Usually exchanged for services renderred. For galleries and agents to sell them at the same time or before tghe run is sold out. Well, extending the run to make mroe money is the only motive. |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by dave313perry on Aug 14, 2007 21:41:52 GMT 1, It gets to me sometimes when i see a bunch of A/P's or P/P's all the same!?!? i dont think people realise sometimes the reason behind these editions? and just see 1/5 = £££
if these are the same as the finished run then they are pureley a money spinner in my eyes, which in turn detracts from the value of the art! wheres the bloody passion gone!!! 
It gets to me sometimes when i see a bunch of A/P's or P/P's all the same!?!? i dont think people realise sometimes the reason behind these editions? and just see 1/5 = £££ if these are the same as the finished run then they are pureley a money spinner in my eyes, which in turn detracts from the value of the art! wheres the bloody passion gone!!! |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by verbalkint on Aug 14, 2007 22:07:18 GMT 1, damn right dave
damn right dave
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 14, 2007 23:31:26 GMT 1, historically, P/Ps are worth LESS than the regular run and heres some guy who wants a lot MORE.
"Press proof. A press proof is a print that was produced during the initial "setting up" of the printing process and is used by the print maker and/or the artist to check the accuracy of the process. It will be identified as a "press proof" (PP) and will not normally be included as part of the regular print edition. Press proofs often have all of the attributes and enhancements of the regular edition and can be a very good "buy". However, when compared to the regular print edition they will have a reduced "value quotient".
historically, P/Ps are worth LESS than the regular run and heres some guy who wants a lot MORE.
"Press proof. A press proof is a print that was produced during the initial "setting up" of the printing process and is used by the print maker and/or the artist to check the accuracy of the process. It will be identified as a "press proof" (PP) and will not normally be included as part of the regular print edition. Press proofs often have all of the attributes and enhancements of the regular edition and can be a very good "buy". However, when compared to the regular print edition they will have a reduced "value quotient".
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by justinkase on Aug 14, 2007 23:37:01 GMT 1, I have both of these prints that I'm gonna be selling in the very near future. If you're serious, and only if you're serious, PM me with a serious offer.
Seriously.
I have both of these prints that I'm gonna be selling in the very near future. If you're serious, and only if you're serious, PM me with a serious offer.
Seriously.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 14, 2007 23:41:28 GMT 1, just some info for those interested:
Press proof PP. A press proof is a print that was produced during the initial "setting up" of the printing process and is used by the print maker and/or the artist to check the accuracy of the process. It will be identified as a "press proof" (PP) and will not normally be included as part of the regular print edition. Press proofs often have all of the attributes and enhancements of the regular edition and can be a very good "buy". However, when compared to the regular print edition they will have a reduced "value quotient".
Artist proof AP. These are prints (produced after the press proofs) that the artist has spent considerable time and effort inspecting. Each print is individually scrutinized in detail to ensure that the print quality is to the artist’s satisfaction, and they are identified as an "artists proof" (AP). Artists’ proofs are normally produced prior to the regular edition, but additional proofs may also be "culled out" at intervals during the print making process. Artists’ proofs are a "tool" used by the artist to ensure the quality of the regular edition. However, as the number of artists’ proofs is small in relation to the regular edition, they will have a higher "value quotient".
just some info for those interested:
Press proof PP. A press proof is a print that was produced during the initial "setting up" of the printing process and is used by the print maker and/or the artist to check the accuracy of the process. It will be identified as a "press proof" (PP) and will not normally be included as part of the regular print edition. Press proofs often have all of the attributes and enhancements of the regular edition and can be a very good "buy". However, when compared to the regular print edition they will have a reduced "value quotient".
Artist proof AP. These are prints (produced after the press proofs) that the artist has spent considerable time and effort inspecting. Each print is individually scrutinized in detail to ensure that the print quality is to the artist’s satisfaction, and they are identified as an "artists proof" (AP). Artists’ proofs are normally produced prior to the regular edition, but additional proofs may also be "culled out" at intervals during the print making process. Artists’ proofs are a "tool" used by the artist to ensure the quality of the regular edition. However, as the number of artists’ proofs is small in relation to the regular edition, they will have a higher "value quotient".
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by thelastclown on Aug 15, 2007 9:13:56 GMT 1, do you think that the artist hasn't spent considerable time and effort in inspecting his Printer Proof? their colour are very very brilliant (maybe more than the regular edition) and precisely signed! as they are just in a run of 3 i think they have been easily inspected with considerable time and...believe me, the looks simply stunning!!!
do you think that the artist hasn't spent considerable time and effort in inspecting his Printer Proof? their colour are very very brilliant (maybe more than the regular edition) and precisely signed! as they are just in a run of 3 i think they have been easily inspected with considerable time and...believe me, the looks simply stunning!!!
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by Lieberman on Aug 15, 2007 10:03:30 GMT 1, Printer's proofs are typically produced at the same time as the regular edition (as are artist's proofs) and are (should be) identical in all respects as the regular edition other than the numbering.
Printer's proofs are typically produced at the same time as the regular edition (as are artist's proofs) and are (should be) identical in all respects as the regular edition other than the numbering.
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by dave313perry on Aug 15, 2007 11:09:46 GMT 1, Surely the above information is only relevant for screenprinting and similar techniques. There is no variation or 'close inspection' needed with an ink-jet, they are the same from start to finish!?
Surely the above information is only relevant for screenprinting and similar techniques. There is no variation or 'close inspection' needed with an ink-jet, they are the same from start to finish!?
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by njr911 on Aug 15, 2007 11:14:57 GMT 1, unless the ink runs out
unless the ink runs out |
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Antony Micallef • 21st Century Love, by dave313perry on Aug 15, 2007 11:43:05 GMT 1, unless the ink runs out
;D ;D ;D
unless the ink runs out ;D ;D ;D |
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