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Would ever put pins through your print?, by Run Pig Run on May 9, 2006 20:42:18 GMT 1, tinyurl.co.uk/ogyv
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by retep on May 9, 2006 22:23:24 GMT 1, this isn't an authentic print as it hasnt got a pow stamp and i assume it hasnt been numbered either. the guy probably got it for free and stuck it on his wall and just realised now that its worth loads of money!!
this isn't an authentic print as it hasnt got a pow stamp and i assume it hasnt been numbered either. the guy probably got it for free and stuck it on his wall and just realised now that its worth loads of money!!
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by gm on May 9, 2006 22:24:40 GMT 1, I use Blu-Tak myself 
Seriously, tho...
 !?WTF?!
I use Blu-Tak myself Seriously, tho... !?WTF?! |
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by dill on May 9, 2006 23:08:18 GMT 1, not all flying coppers had pow stamps
not all flying coppers had pow stamps
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by dill on May 10, 2006 2:02:23 GMT 1, somone has just spoken to the seller of the print (he is also selling a queen victoria) apparently the flying copper and queen vic were given to him by "the bloke who printed them in london" the queen vic is not signed not stamped and not numbered, likewise for the flying copper....my theory is that they fell out the back of the printers and should be approached with extreeme caution...and of course there are the pinholes!
somone has just spoken to the seller of the print (he is also selling a queen victoria) apparently the flying copper and queen vic were given to him by "the bloke who printed them in london" the queen vic is not signed not stamped and not numbered, likewise for the flying copper....my theory is that they fell out the back of the printers and should be approached with extreeme caution...and of course there are the pinholes!
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by dill on May 10, 2006 2:23:33 GMT 1, and while on the subject of dodgy prints a beautiful fake signature! on
7413550817
and while on the subject of dodgy prints a beautiful fake signature! on
7413550817
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by happydee on May 10, 2006 10:57:25 GMT 1, might be able to get 7413550817 for a bargin price fake signature but still looks like real barcode if no one bids could get the rubber out for £50
might be able to get 7413550817 for a bargin price fake signature but still looks like real barcode if no one bids could get the rubber out for £50
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by thebank on May 10, 2006 12:11:03 GMT 1, The funny thing is that it is number 365/600 and the seller is claiming it is signed . . .
if he knew anything he'd know that this number would never have been signed.
Still you are right, for an unsigned Barcode you'd probably be looking at £500 at least so this in fact is very cheap.
Funny how you can sign a £500 print yourself and devalue it to £50!
The funny thing is that it is number 365/600 and the seller is claiming it is signed . . .
if he knew anything he'd know that this number would never have been signed.
Still you are right, for an unsigned Barcode you'd probably be looking at £500 at least so this in fact is very cheap.
Funny how you can sign a £500 print yourself and devalue it to £50!
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by happydee on May 10, 2006 12:16:17 GMT 1, righty so but he has now deface it
righty so but he has now deface it
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by Daniel Silk on May 10, 2006 14:03:40 GMT 1, The funny thing is that it is number 365/600 and the seller is claiming it is signed . . . if he knew anything he'd know that this number would never have been signed.
A piece of that number could still be signed.
The signed ones of many of the older prints (Not sure if this applies to this one) were mixed in with the unsigned ones. When someone ordered a signed one, they would just sign the next one in the pile, so the maximum number of signed prints may be 150 but one could be numbered 599/600 or 365/600 
The funny thing is that it is number 365/600 and the seller is claiming it is signed . . . if he knew anything he'd know that this number would never have been signed. A piece of that number could still be signed. The signed ones of many of the older prints (Not sure if this applies to this one) were mixed in with the unsigned ones. When someone ordered a signed one, they would just sign the next one in the pile, so the maximum number of signed prints may be 150 but one could be numbered 599/600 or 365/600 |
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by Daniel Silk on May 10, 2006 14:49:28 GMT 1, A piece of that number could still be signed. The signed ones of many of the older prints (Not sure if this applies to this one) were mixed in with the unsigned ones. When someone ordered a signed one, they would just sign the next one in the pile, so the maximum number of signed prints may be 150 but one could be numbered 599/600 or 365/600 do you work at pow?
No, I wish ;D
The signature does look very suspect  and I have never seen one signed on the back before Why would you sign it on the back? 
A piece of that number could still be signed. The signed ones of many of the older prints (Not sure if this applies to this one) were mixed in with the unsigned ones. When someone ordered a signed one, they would just sign the next one in the pile, so the maximum number of signed prints may be 150 but one could be numbered 599/600 or 365/600 do you work at pow? No, I wish ;D The signature does look very suspect and I have never seen one signed on the back before Why would you sign it on the back? |
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by headphonesex on May 10, 2006 15:05:45 GMT 1, Strangely enough I bought a David Shrigley print recently (The Human Body - available from Bookworks) which he's signed (and numbered) on the back. Does seem quite bizarre. I think the guy in the shop told me he was hoping for a big thick signature on the front, but Shrig said he didn't do that.
It's a good print.
(EDIT: And huge! It came in the biggest tube i've ever seen!)
Also, this sig is clearly fake. And without wishing to correct you BofE the signed version of barcode was in a seperate run out of 150. By that stage they'd done away with mixing the signed / unsigned numbers up.
Strangely enough I bought a David Shrigley print recently (The Human Body - available from Bookworks) which he's signed (and numbered) on the back. Does seem quite bizarre. I think the guy in the shop told me he was hoping for a big thick signature on the front, but Shrig said he didn't do that.
It's a good print.
(EDIT: And huge! It came in the biggest tube i've ever seen!)
Also, this sig is clearly fake. And without wishing to correct you BofE the signed version of barcode was in a seperate run out of 150. By that stage they'd done away with mixing the signed / unsigned numbers up.
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by stencilope on May 11, 2006 3:54:36 GMT 1,
I don't know. Depends on the appropriate presentation for the piece, really. That and the space it's hung in. I don't know about anyone else, but I've tried framing this some of this stuff properly. Didn't look right in a frame. Too out-of-place and isolated looking trapped behind the glass. Like it was suffocating. Took it back out of the frame and stuck it to the wall with thumbtacks slightly wonky. Now it looks like it actually belongs there on the wall. It's rattle can, not a snooty watercolor landscape.
I don't know. Depends on the appropriate presentation for the piece, really. That and the space it's hung in. I don't know about anyone else, but I've tried framing this some of this stuff properly. Didn't look right in a frame. Too out-of-place and isolated looking trapped behind the glass. Like it was suffocating. Took it back out of the frame and stuck it to the wall with thumbtacks slightly wonky. Now it looks like it actually belongs there on the wall. It's rattle can, not a snooty watercolor landscape. |
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by stencilope on May 12, 2006 8:43:42 GMT 1,
I am a bit confused. What are you getting at exactly with this reference? That it is an artistic achievement because it sold for a huge sum, or that is an artistic achievement because someone like Christina Aguilera owns it? I certainly don't see discussion of any other merits in this article. Or even usually on this forum. Only "limited" this and "edition number" that. By that logic, if we can get Paris Hilton to get one then it must become even more artistic! Wonderful benchmark for greatness there.
Art is more than it's cash value. In my view, the sterile environment of a fine art gallery is simply not the place that rattle can best belongs. It is a medium, and a statement, best expressed on a bare concrete wall.
I can certainly take the message seriously and to heart, but I fail to be able to take the work itself as anything but a disposable medium for that message, and certainly not one to be taken seriously as some kind of fine art.
In fact, I find it not only ironic but blatantly offensive to see some of the statements Banksy images make about poverty, commercialism, etc. hermetically sealed, stamped, packaged and hanging in upscale galleries and selling for ridiculous money to rich little media whores.
Can't you people see the joke? I'm sure Banksy is laughing his ass off at the cosmic absurdity of it all, a desperately needed Marcel Duchamp for our times. Some of you will understand that, and the rest of you will simply now go look up how much Duchamp prints are worth and if it's a good investment buy.
If Banksy isn't laughing, and for a second I thought he actually took any of this, his art, or himself a hundreth as seriously as most of you seem to, I would take down and burn his pieces rather than leave them on my wall.
I am a bit confused. What are you getting at exactly with this reference? That it is an artistic achievement because it sold for a huge sum, or that is an artistic achievement because someone like Christina Aguilera owns it? I certainly don't see discussion of any other merits in this article. Or even usually on this forum. Only "limited" this and "edition number" that. By that logic, if we can get Paris Hilton to get one then it must become even more artistic! Wonderful benchmark for greatness there. Art is more than it's cash value. In my view, the sterile environment of a fine art gallery is simply not the place that rattle can best belongs. It is a medium, and a statement, best expressed on a bare concrete wall. I can certainly take the message seriously and to heart, but I fail to be able to take the work itself as anything but a disposable medium for that message, and certainly not one to be taken seriously as some kind of fine art. In fact, I find it not only ironic but blatantly offensive to see some of the statements Banksy images make about poverty, commercialism, etc. hermetically sealed, stamped, packaged and hanging in upscale galleries and selling for ridiculous money to rich little media whores. Can't you people see the joke? I'm sure Banksy is laughing his ass off at the cosmic absurdity of it all, a desperately needed Marcel Duchamp for our times. Some of you will understand that, and the rest of you will simply now go look up how much Duchamp prints are worth and if it's a good investment buy. If Banksy isn't laughing, and for a second I thought he actually took any of this, his art, or himself a hundreth as seriously as most of you seem to, I would take down and burn his pieces rather than leave them on my wall. |
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by spence on May 12, 2006 17:36:12 GMT 1, I am a bit confused. What are you getting at exactly with this reference? That it is an artistic achievement because it sold for a huge sum, or that is an artistic achievement because someone like Christina Aguilera owns it? I certainly don't see discussion of any other merits in this article. Or even usually on this forum. Only "limited" this and "edition number" that. By that logic, if we can get Paris Hilton to get one then it must become even more artistic! Wonderful benchmark for greatness there. Art is more than it's cash value. In my view, the sterile environment of a fine art gallery is simply not the place that rattle can best belongs. It is a medium, and a statement, best expressed on a bare concrete wall. I can certainly take the message seriously and to heart, but I fail to be able to take the work itself as anything but a disposable medium for that message, and certainly not one to be taken seriously as some kind of fine art. In fact, I find it not only ironic but blatantly offensive to see some of the statements Banksy images make about poverty, commercialism, etc. hermetically sealed, stamped, packaged and hanging in upscale galleries and selling for ridiculous money to rich little media whores. Can't you people see the joke? I'm sure Banksy is laughing his ass off at the cosmic absurdity of it all, a desperately needed Marcel Duchamp for our times. Some of you will understand that, and the rest of you will simply now go look up how much Duchamp prints are worth and if it's a good investment buy. If Banksy isn't laughing, and for a second I thought he actually took any of this, his art, or himself a hundreth as seriously as most of you seem to, I would take down and burn his pieces rather than leave them on my wall.
LOL
The reason why i made reference to said link, was simply to see what type of reply i would get from your good self. Having made only two posts to the forum both your posts have been directed at my comments and I wasn't quite sure how to take them.
Looks like you took the bait quite well. 
If you don't like the content of the forum don't read it... Simple, make your own forum up. Personally i find it interesting,informative and a credit to all the posters and MODS . Maybe we could all join yours and be better informed of your personal thoughts and other like minded individuals.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but i don't recall anybody calling it fine art most of us like it for what it is. Where's the problem ??
My understanding to you comment about it being offensive and ironic is that your 'rattle can' pictures don't make and probably never will make the grade to command such interest and a following. If they do, stick 'um on ebay and laugh at us as we all snap it up,then go tell the "Rich Media Whores "of your views, I really couldn't give a monkeys mate. Jealously is not a good thing to behold.
Good luck to the man if he's laughing his ass off i, wish i could be in the same position.
If you want to burn it, burn it. I seem to remember some Pratt from the KLF burning £1,000,000 in the name of art, so there's YOUR bench mark. CAPICHE...  .
Now go and watch 'Why Don't You' and get some ideas on other things to do with your time. Ummm.......
I am a bit confused. What are you getting at exactly with this reference? That it is an artistic achievement because it sold for a huge sum, or that is an artistic achievement because someone like Christina Aguilera owns it? I certainly don't see discussion of any other merits in this article. Or even usually on this forum. Only "limited" this and "edition number" that. By that logic, if we can get Paris Hilton to get one then it must become even more artistic! Wonderful benchmark for greatness there. Art is more than it's cash value. In my view, the sterile environment of a fine art gallery is simply not the place that rattle can best belongs. It is a medium, and a statement, best expressed on a bare concrete wall. I can certainly take the message seriously and to heart, but I fail to be able to take the work itself as anything but a disposable medium for that message, and certainly not one to be taken seriously as some kind of fine art. In fact, I find it not only ironic but blatantly offensive to see some of the statements Banksy images make about poverty, commercialism, etc. hermetically sealed, stamped, packaged and hanging in upscale galleries and selling for ridiculous money to rich little media whores. Can't you people see the joke? I'm sure Banksy is laughing his ass off at the cosmic absurdity of it all, a desperately needed Marcel Duchamp for our times. Some of you will understand that, and the rest of you will simply now go look up how much Duchamp prints are worth and if it's a good investment buy. If Banksy isn't laughing, and for a second I thought he actually took any of this, his art, or himself a hundreth as seriously as most of you seem to, I would take down and burn his pieces rather than leave them on my wall. LOL The reason why i made reference to said link, was simply to see what type of reply i would get from your good self. Having made only two posts to the forum both your posts have been directed at my comments and I wasn't quite sure how to take them. Looks like you took the bait quite well. If you don't like the content of the forum don't read it... Simple, make your own forum up. Personally i find it interesting,informative and a credit to all the posters and MODS . Maybe we could all join yours and be better informed of your personal thoughts and other like minded individuals. Correct me if I'm wrong, but i don't recall anybody calling it fine art most of us like it for what it is. Where's the problem ?? My understanding to you comment about it being offensive and ironic is that your 'rattle can' pictures don't make and probably never will make the grade to command such interest and a following. If they do, stick 'um on ebay and laugh at us as we all snap it up,then go tell the "Rich Media Whores "of your views, I really couldn't give a monkeys mate. Jealously is not a good thing to behold. Good luck to the man if he's laughing his ass off i, wish i could be in the same position. If you want to burn it, burn it. I seem to remember some Pratt from the KLF burning £1,000,000 in the name of art, so there's YOUR bench mark. CAPICHE... . Now go and watch 'Why Don't You' and get some ideas on other things to do with your time. Ummm....... |
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by Run Pig Run on May 14, 2006 20:03:50 GMT 1, "... If Banksy isn't laughing, and for a second I thought he actually took any of this, his art, or himself a hundreth as seriously as most of you seem to, I would take down and burn his pieces rather than leave them on my wall."
Seems pretty serious about his art to me - he was out in Palistine spraying walls recently, i'd say that almost deadly serious. next...
"... If Banksy isn't laughing, and for a second I thought he actually took any of this, his art, or himself a hundreth as seriously as most of you seem to, I would take down and burn his pieces rather than leave them on my wall."
Seems pretty serious about his art to me - he was out in Palistine spraying walls recently, i'd say that almost deadly serious. next...
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by stencilope on May 16, 2006 1:02:59 GMT 1, Seems pretty serious about his art to me - he was out in Palistine spraying walls recently, i'd say that almost deadly serious. next...
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Precisely. Message versus Medium.
He obviously cares a great deal about the message.
He obviously doesn't give a rats ass about the medium. One might even say his true medium is more akin to performance art.
Ignoring the message an enshrining the medium as a thing in and of itself is sad, but humans are good at it it seems. To those of too small a world view or too little mental capacity, in the end the medium itself is the only thing that can be catagorized, quantified, and re-sold.
Seems pretty serious about his art to me - he was out in Palistine spraying walls recently, i'd say that almost deadly serious. next...
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Precisely. Message versus Medium.
He obviously cares a great deal about the message.
He obviously doesn't give a rats ass about the medium. One might even say his true medium is more akin to performance art.
Ignoring the message an enshrining the medium as a thing in and of itself is sad, but humans are good at it it seems. To those of too small a world view or too little mental capacity, in the end the medium itself is the only thing that can be catagorized, quantified, and re-sold.
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Would ever put pins through your print?, by Run Pig Run on May 16, 2006 16:43:52 GMT 1, point taken.
point taken.
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and I have never seen one signed on the back before 
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