dreadnatty
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by dreadnatty on Sept 26, 2014 3:38:51 GMT 1, RAE is so hot that after 8 hours, no one has purchased any of these pieces. All still available for sale. I think this guy has a loyal following on the lower cost multiple side, but reaching that next level seems to be increasingly difficult with the same images/no progression. Yes, we can all talk about his shows and how things were sold, but has anyone noticed a lot of his stuff for sale on this forum lately? Moreso, than other lesser known artists... I'm convinced you got a personal vendetta against RAE. No one would spend so much time on negativity otherwise. 
RAE is so hot that after 8 hours, no one has purchased any of these pieces. All still available for sale. I think this guy has a loyal following on the lower cost multiple side, but reaching that next level seems to be increasingly difficult with the same images/no progression. Yes, we can all talk about his shows and how things were sold, but has anyone noticed a lot of his stuff for sale on this forum lately? Moreso, than other lesser known artists... I'm convinced you got a personal vendetta against RAE. No one would spend so much time on negativity otherwise. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Dexter Bulldog on Sept 26, 2014 3:58:23 GMT 1, i really like a lot of rae's work but ill agree with samfrost to an extent. sure, in general some people like to give him extra sh1t for the whole basquiat thing, but as a rae fan myself, i think sam has some fair observations/criticisms above. these pieces are originals and quite nice, although this and the last few offerings seem to have been a little pricey, and for whatever reason they don't seem to sell too well in the secondary market. i really like what i have but im not dying to buy more.
i really like a lot of rae's work but ill agree with samfrost to an extent. sure, in general some people like to give him extra sh1t for the whole basquiat thing, but as a rae fan myself, i think sam has some fair observations/criticisms above. these pieces are originals and quite nice, although this and the last few offerings seem to have been a little pricey, and for whatever reason they don't seem to sell too well in the secondary market. i really like what i have but im not dying to buy more.
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by djcuthbertson on Sept 26, 2014 4:00:33 GMT 1, Love your new Avatar Dreadnatty. Perfect ending to that game tonight.
Love your new Avatar Dreadnatty. Perfect ending to that game tonight.
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dreadnatty
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by dreadnatty on Sept 26, 2014 4:17:19 GMT 1, Love your new Avatar Dreadnatty. Perfect ending to that game tonight.
Love your new Avatar Dreadnatty. Perfect ending to that game tonight. Storybook ending....classic Jeter slapping a single to right field. Once in a generation talent. He will be missed. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Sept 26, 2014 7:30:12 GMT 1, I disagree. Rae works a lot on the originals, and not on the prints, and this is a merit that will give value in the long term not the short. There are highly regarded artists who sell prints (not hand painted) with a print run at 100 to 200 and sell it in 5 minutes, but it is easier to sell 200 prints at a low price that four original works. if you want to grow as artists is right to do as RAE. Prints in the long run (between 10-20 years) will be worth less and less, work oroginali definitely more. (if the artist is good). The only thing he should do to increase the demands on original pieces is a few shows in a gallery frequented by different people, even contemporary art galleries. my two cents.
P.S. the original work (I think it was 15) of the Ferengi fresh show were sold all in less than a day. I repeat 15 original works in a day. I do not know how many artists would be able to sell 15 original works in a day. I also think that the Ferengi fresh was the highest peak touched by rae in his work!
I disagree. Rae works a lot on the originals, and not on the prints, and this is a merit that will give value in the long term not the short. There are highly regarded artists who sell prints (not hand painted) with a print run at 100 to 200 and sell it in 5 minutes, but it is easier to sell 200 prints at a low price that four original works. if you want to grow as artists is right to do as RAE. Prints in the long run (between 10-20 years) will be worth less and less, work oroginali definitely more. (if the artist is good). The only thing he should do to increase the demands on original pieces is a few shows in a gallery frequented by different people, even contemporary art galleries. my two cents.
P.S. the original work (I think it was 15) of the Ferengi fresh show were sold all in less than a day. I repeat 15 original works in a day. I do not know how many artists would be able to sell 15 original works in a day. I also think that the Ferengi fresh was the highest peak touched by rae in his work!
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by sakyamuni on Sept 26, 2014 9:17:46 GMT 1, the fact that these new works did not sell instantly is not a big issue. This is a new gallery, they are originals, which are not easy to flip the following day, so nothing to worry about. It is also nice to have some tome to think before buying 
the fact that these new works did not sell instantly is not a big issue. This is a new gallery, they are originals, which are not easy to flip the following day, so nothing to worry about. It is also nice to have some tome to think before buying |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Neate Michael on Sept 26, 2014 10:01:43 GMT 1, Fuck me. Is this how we measure how good art is, by how flippable it is? Look at Mr Harrington, who is soon to have a sell out show in NYC. His first Laz print (priced at a ridiculous ยฃ700) never sold out. It just got taken down from the Laz website. His subsequent prints hung around for months/years before selling out. It is only since his last show he has become flippable. Does that make his earlier art not as good? Even now, there is an etching still available.
Rae, is a relatively new artist, his prints sell out straight away, those originals will sell eventually, buy it if you like it, don't buy it if you want to flip it and make a fortune.
Can't we get back to discussing whether we like it for what it is?
Fuck me. Is this how we measure how good art is, by how flippable it is? Look at Mr Harrington, who is soon to have a sell out show in NYC. His first Laz print (priced at a ridiculous ยฃ700) never sold out. It just got taken down from the Laz website. His subsequent prints hung around for months/years before selling out. It is only since his last show he has become flippable. Does that make his earlier art not as good? Even now, there is an etching still available.
Rae, is a relatively new artist, his prints sell out straight away, those originals will sell eventually, buy it if you like it, don't buy it if you want to flip it and make a fortune.
Can't we get back to discussing whether we like it for what it is?
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by darwin on Sept 26, 2014 10:35:42 GMT 1, I think those pieces are great. Don't have that kind of cash, that's all
I think those pieces are great. Don't have that kind of cash, that's all
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Dexter Bulldog on Sept 26, 2014 13:00:48 GMT 1, f**k me. Is this how we measure how good art is, by how flippable it is?
f**k me. Is this how we measure how good art is, by how flippable it is? not sure if that was directed at my "secondary market" comment. what i mean is it just seems like there is exactly enough interest for rae to sell out, but after that there is not a lot of interest. look at the line drawings from earlier this year (may actually be a bad example as those were priced quite well for the quality). a dozen or so amazing original pieces that sold very fast, but 2 members have struggled to sell them recently and had to/ are trying to sell them at a loss. its almost as if there were exactly 12 fans willing to buy them, they sold and that's that. if there was more demand at that price point, or prices were going up, then it would allow fans to sell some works to buy something new if they really liked it, but it just doesnt seem like thats possible with rae. buy a piece, love it, you may be stuck with it. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by South Bound on Sept 26, 2014 14:00:06 GMT 1, I disagree. Rae works a lot on the originals, and not on the prints, and this is a merit that will give value in the long term not the short. There are highly regarded artists who sell prints (not hand painted) with a print run at 100 to 200 and sell it in 5 minutes, but it is easier to sell 200 prints at a low price that four original works. if you want to grow as artists is right to do as RAE. Prints in the long run (between 10-20 years) will be worth less and less, work oroginali definitely more. (if the artist is good). The only thing he should do to increase the demands on original pieces is a few shows in a gallery frequented by different people, even contemporary art galleries. my two cents. P.S. the original work (I think it was 15) of the Ferengi fresh show were sold all in less than a day. I repeat 15 original works in a day. I do not know how many artists would be able to sell 15 original works in a day.ย I also think that the Ferengi fresh was the highest peak touched by rae in his work!
Good point, I don't necessarily agree. The value of an original vs prints (prints not associated with originals) do not always have a correlation. Every situation (based on the artists catalog) varies.
In some cases the values of small run prints (again of a unique image not associated with an existing piece) have shot through the roof whereas a single image (or original) from same artist has not really grown by nearly the same rate.
So many factors revolve around the value
I disagree. Rae works a lot on the originals, and not on the prints, and this is a merit that will give value in the long term not the short. There are highly regarded artists who sell prints (not hand painted) with a print run at 100 to 200 and sell it in 5 minutes, but it is easier to sell 200 prints at a low price that four original works. if you want to grow as artists is right to do as RAE. Prints in the long run (between 10-20 years) will be worth less and less, work oroginali definitely more. (if the artist is good). The only thing he should do to increase the demands on original pieces is a few shows in a gallery frequented by different people, even contemporary art galleries. my two cents. P.S. the original work (I think it was 15) of the Ferengi fresh show were sold all in less than a day. I repeat 15 original works in a day. I do not know how many artists would be able to sell 15 original works in a day.ย I also think that the Ferengi fresh was the highest peak touched by rae in his work! Good point, I don't necessarily agree. The value of an original vs prints (prints not associated with originals) do not always have a correlation. Every situation (based on the artists catalog) varies. In some cases the values of small run prints (again of a unique image not associated with an existing piece) have shot through the roof whereas a single image (or original) from same artist has not really grown by nearly the same rate. So many factors revolve around the value |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Sept 26, 2014 16:31:37 GMT 1, I disagree. Rae works a lot on the originals, and not on the prints, and this is a merit that will give value in the long term not the short. There are highly regarded artists who sell prints (not hand painted) with a print run at 100 to 200 and sell it in 5 minutes, but it is easier to sell 200 prints at a low price that four original works. if you want to grow as artists is right to do as RAE. Prints in the long run (between 10-20 years) will be worth less and less, work oroginali definitely more. (if the artist is good). The only thing he should do to increase the demands on original pieces is a few shows in a gallery frequented by different people, even contemporary art galleries. my two cents. P.S. the original work (I think it was 15) of the Ferengi fresh show were sold all in less than a day. I repeat 15 original works in a day. I do not know how many artists would be able to sell 15 original works in a day. I also think that the Ferengi fresh was the highest peak touched by rae in his work! Good point, I don't necessarily agree. The value of an original vs prints (prints not associated with originals) do not always have a correlation. Every situation (based on the artists catalog) varies. In some cases the values of small run prints (again of a unique image not associated with an existing piece) have shot through the roof whereas a single image (or original) from same artist has not really grown by nearly the same rate. So many factors revolve around the value
I disagree. Rae works a lot on the originals, and not on the prints, and this is a merit that will give value in the long term not the short. There are highly regarded artists who sell prints (not hand painted) with a print run at 100 to 200 and sell it in 5 minutes, but it is easier to sell 200 prints at a low price that four original works. if you want to grow as artists is right to do as RAE. Prints in the long run (between 10-20 years) will be worth less and less, work oroginali definitely more. (if the artist is good). The only thing he should do to increase the demands on original pieces is a few shows in a gallery frequented by different people, even contemporary art galleries. my two cents. P.S. the original work (I think it was 15) of the Ferengi fresh show were sold all in less than a day. I repeat 15 original works in a day. I do not know how many artists would be able to sell 15 original works in a day. I also think that the Ferengi fresh was the highest peak touched by rae in his work! Good point, I don't necessarily agree. The value of an original vs prints (prints not associated with originals) do not always have a correlation. Every situation (based on the artists catalog) varies. In some cases the values of small run prints (again of a unique image not associated with an existing piece) have shot through the roof whereas a single image (or original) from same artist has not really grown by nearly the same rate. So many factors revolve around the value Certainly there are many factors that determine the price and the value of a work, but there are also some dogmas that can be applied to the general concept, namely measures of the work, support, date, publications, exhibitions .. .etc etc etc ... and in all this, prints and multiples in the general work of an artist, covering the least important part of their work (usually). |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Sept 26, 2014 17:20:01 GMT 1, Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative.
Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative.
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Sept 26, 2014 18:31:28 GMT 1, Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative.
The same thing is valid for all the stencil artists post blek le rar???
Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative. The same thing is valid for all the stencil artists post blek le rar??? |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by stvro22 on Sept 26, 2014 18:49:24 GMT 1, Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative.
His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet.
Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles.
Who cares really. Buy what you like.
Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative. His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by pedend on Sept 26, 2014 19:38:47 GMT 1, 2/4 sold...
2/4 sold...
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Sept 26, 2014 21:13:24 GMT 1, Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative. His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like.
Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine.
Just my opinion, but I think the reason there's so much less demand for his originals than his prints is the lack of originality. It's easy to overlook the Basquiat connection when you're paying a couple hundred dollars for a print. But when you're spending more than $1,000 on a piece of art, you probably want something less derivative. His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like. Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by samfrost on Sept 26, 2014 21:54:25 GMT 1, FINALLY! We are having some actual art discussion and constructive criticism.
FINALLY! We are having some actual art discussion and constructive criticism.
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 22:09:56 GMT 1, I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand.
Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60
i like it
I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand.
Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60
i like it
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 22:28:37 GMT 1, I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it
Kokian.
I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles. Kokian. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Sept 26, 2014 22:31:50 GMT 1, Sorry but comparate rae vs basquiat is a superficial vision. Both of them usa primitive influence in their style and then?? Anyone knows jean dubuffet? Antone knows enrico bay? Anyone kows Carlo Zinelli?
Sorry but comparate rae vs basquiat is a superficial vision. Both of them usa primitive influence in their style and then?? Anyone knows jean dubuffet? Antone knows enrico bay? Anyone kows Carlo Zinelli?
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by petro on Sept 26, 2014 22:38:56 GMT 1, His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like. Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine.
You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them.
His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like. Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine. You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 22:45:53 GMT 1, I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles. Kokian.
Should I put them in storage for when i am in my 80's?
I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles. Kokian. But what do i do with my flying geese wall plates? I shouldn't admit to it, but they are looking a little tacky now to me Should I put them in storage for when i am in my 80's? |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Sept 26, 2014 23:03:02 GMT 1, You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them.
I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults.
Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so.
You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by petro on Sept 26, 2014 23:23:41 GMT 1, You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so.
With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general.
You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat. You could do the same thing with Basquiat, Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly. In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by stvro22 on Sept 26, 2014 23:29:12 GMT 1, You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat.ย ย You could do the same thing with Basquiat, ย Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly.ย In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so.
It's such an easy fall back to look at someone having a childlike approach to painting and immediately say "Basquiat" because that's where your art history ends. If you can't look at them next to each other and see a clear distinction I don't know to tell you.
You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat.ย ย You could do the same thing with Basquiat, ย Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly.ย In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. It's such an easy fall back to look at someone having a childlike approach to painting and immediately say "Basquiat" because that's where your art history ends. If you can't look at them next to each other and see a clear distinction I don't know to tell you. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by .dappy on Sept 27, 2014 1:03:13 GMT 1,
RAE great gallery owner at Brooklynite, did some really great shows, with live internet TV streams - stayed up a few nights watching the preview/opening nights with great live DJ music / art / (funny) interviews. He enjoys art and he enjoys painting/sculptural form, esp with texture and sygnifying depth. I would suggest that even his line drawings on the pure black, uses black to illustrate depth/space/deep blackness
He had a close association with Bast, which I am surprised people have not compared RAE too, especially with some of Bast's (early) sculpture works. There was reference to this on one of the threads but canny find it ...
RAE great gallery owner at Brooklynite, did some really great shows, with live internet TV streams - stayed up a few nights watching the preview/opening nights with great live DJ music / art / (funny) interviews. He enjoys art and he enjoys painting/sculptural form, esp with texture and sygnifying depth. I would suggest that even his line drawings on the pure black, uses black to illustrate depth/space/deep blackness
He had a close association with Bast, which I am surprised people have not compared RAE too, especially with some of Bast's (early) sculpture works. There was reference to this on one of the threads but canny find it ...
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Sept 27, 2014 3:48:37 GMT 1, I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general.
As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art.
I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced by Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work. If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by DREAMERS on Sept 27, 2014 6:57:13 GMT 1, Who in the urban art game is reinventing the wheel? Tell me one artist who you can say hasn't been influenced by another artist?? I'll wait patiently...
Who in the urban art game is reinventing the wheel? Tell me one artist who you can say hasn't been influenced by another artist?? I'll wait patiently...
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Dr Plip on Sept 27, 2014 7:50:29 GMT 1, Who in the urban art game is reinventing the wheel? Tell me one artist who you can say hasn't been influenced by another artist?? I'll wait patiently...
Who in the urban art game is reinventing the wheel? Tell me one artist who you can say hasn't been influenced by another artist?? I'll wait patiently... I've been thinking for the past 50 minutes. So far, I've got that mushroom guy. But someone else might have been doing mushrooms before him? |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by nrgball on Sept 27, 2014 10:15:31 GMT 1, You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat.ย ย You could do the same thing with Basquiat, ย Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly.ย In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so.
I think very few artists in the street art world value progression and evolution of style as painters from the past do. I see much more formulaic and static styles. Folks who continue to be evolve either continuously within the body of their own work or by pushing the boundaries of art as a collective will have more of a chance of influencing art history in the long run.
Warhol set a formula with multiple images of pop art that was adapted by the likes Fairey and adapted slightly by Banksy with color-ways and VIP hand painted editions. The difference between an artist like Banksy and Whatson is that Banksy has been innovative in multiple facets of urban/Grafitti art and Whatson has merely followed that formula. I'm not saying Whatson doesn't have potential nor that he will follow his formula forever. But if he follows the same formula, folks will eventually lose interest.
Invader has failed to evolve much in my eyes. I thought his greatest achievement was rubiks cubism and he rarely plays with that style anymore. I like this print but I'm bored with his print work. I love coming across his work on the street much more.
The same statement can be said about the difference between POW & Grafitti Prints (though this is a slightly different topic). But in the long run, I see this formula holding artist back while it exploits their short term popularity.
You don't know much about art, do you? You could do the exact same thing with Banksy and Blek Le Rat.ย ย You could do the same thing with Basquiat, ย Picasso, Matisse, and Cy Twombly.ย In fact, you could do that with just about ANY artist as most are influenced by the art around them. I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. I think very few artists in the street art world value progression and evolution of style as painters from the past do. I see much more formulaic and static styles. Folks who continue to be evolve either continuously within the body of their own work or by pushing the boundaries of art as a collective will have more of a chance of influencing art history in the long run. Warhol set a formula with multiple images of pop art that was adapted by the likes Fairey and adapted slightly by Banksy with color-ways and VIP hand painted editions. The difference between an artist like Banksy and Whatson is that Banksy has been innovative in multiple facets of urban/Grafitti art and Whatson has merely followed that formula. I'm not saying Whatson doesn't have potential nor that he will follow his formula forever. But if he follows the same formula, folks will eventually lose interest. Invader has failed to evolve much in my eyes. I thought his greatest achievement was rubiks cubism and he rarely plays with that style anymore. I like this print but I'm bored with his print work. I love coming across his work on the street much more. The same statement can be said about the difference between POW & Grafitti Prints (though this is a slightly different topic). But in the long run, I see this formula holding artist back while it exploits their short term popularity. |
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