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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Dice on Sept 27, 2014 10:27:59 GMT 1, I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general.
I showed an artist some pics from the new Adam neate show and her immediate reaction was 'he's just copying Francis bacon!' and that was it, she was no longer interested.
I was pretty annoyed, ok she has never been to a show and it's hard to tell from pictures but to immediately discount an artist from a few pics is pretty ridiculous.
I'm willing to bet I know a fair bit more about art than you do. Enough that I can support my opinions without resorting to childish insults. Whether you choose to believe Rae is heavily influenced byย Basquiat, or simply knocking off his style, the similarities are undeniable. The only significant difference is Basquiat had more diversity in his work.ย If you think you can show as strong of a connection between two artist's styles, you're welcome to do so. With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. I showed an artist some pics from the new Adam neate show and her immediate reaction was 'he's just copying Francis bacon!' and that was it, she was no longer interested. I was pretty annoyed, ok she has never been to a show and it's hard to tell from pictures but to immediately discount an artist from a few pics is pretty ridiculous. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Street Art Fan on Sept 27, 2014 12:45:50 GMT 1, With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art.
With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. With all due respect, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Blek Le Rat and Banksy. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Sept 27, 2014 15:39:42 GMT 1, As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. With all due respect, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Blek Le Rat and Banksy.
That's a perfectly valid question. It's not very difficult to draw a distinction between Banksy and Blek. Just look at their similarities and differences.
Their similarities are that they both use stencils and they're both known for painting rats. That's the heart of every argument claiming Banksy stole from Blek.
Now look at their differences. Blek early work (pre-Banksy) consisted primarily of simple silhouettes. Banksy used more multi-layered stencils and often uses color in his work. And while Blek painted realistic looking silhouettes of rats, Banksy painted cartoonish rats.
If you look at the timeline of Blek's work on his site, you'll see that his style and subject matter actually changes to be more like Banksy's after Banksy became active.
The greatest difference, however, is the social commentary in their work. Or in Blek's case, the lack thereof. Banksy's style was a means to an end - the get his message up quickly without getting arrested. Blek's style was the means and the end. What made his work interesting was the novelty of seeing life-sized people and objects stenciled onto the streets.
Now when you compare Rae to Basquiat, the similarities are many and the differences are very few. They have nearly identical styles, with identical subject matter. I've seen people try to claim the similarities are superficial in that they both are drawing crude representations of humans, but there are an infinite number of ways to crudely draw humans. Rae has chosen to draw them almost exactly the same as Basquiat.
There are also similarities in their composition, use of positive and negative space and use of color. The only significant difference I see when looking at their work is that Basquiat's work was more varied. Now if someone can come up with a better list of differences, I'd be happy to hear it.
As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. With all due respect, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Blek Le Rat and Banksy. That's a perfectly valid question. It's not very difficult to draw a distinction between Banksy and Blek. Just look at their similarities and differences. Their similarities are that they both use stencils and they're both known for painting rats. That's the heart of every argument claiming Banksy stole from Blek. Now look at their differences. Blek early work (pre-Banksy) consisted primarily of simple silhouettes. Banksy used more multi-layered stencils and often uses color in his work. And while Blek painted realistic looking silhouettes of rats, Banksy painted cartoonish rats. If you look at the timeline of Blek's work on his site, you'll see that his style and subject matter actually changes to be more like Banksy's after Banksy became active. The greatest difference, however, is the social commentary in their work. Or in Blek's case, the lack thereof. Banksy's style was a means to an end - the get his message up quickly without getting arrested. Blek's style was the means and the end. What made his work interesting was the novelty of seeing life-sized people and objects stenciled onto the streets. Now when you compare Rae to Basquiat, the similarities are many and the differences are very few. They have nearly identical styles, with identical subject matter. I've seen people try to claim the similarities are superficial in that they both are drawing crude representations of humans, but there are an infinite number of ways to crudely draw humans. Rae has chosen to draw them almost exactly the same as Basquiat. There are also similarities in their composition, use of positive and negative space and use of color. The only significant difference I see when looking at their work is that Basquiat's work was more varied. Now if someone can come up with a better list of differences, I'd be happy to hear it. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by stvro22 on Sept 27, 2014 16:30:53 GMT 1, You obviously have not seen the diversity of RAE's work inside and out. His Signal Gallery show, NYC bodega show, Africa work, murals and sculptures continue to evolve. I see a lot of meaning and true talent in his work. To use a few paintings to define any artist is a mistake. I don't have the time nor energy, nor desire to convince you otherwise.
You obviously have not seen the diversity of RAE's work inside and out. His Signal Gallery show, NYC bodega show, Africa work, murals and sculptures continue to evolve. I see a lot of meaning and true talent in his work. To use a few paintings to define any artist is a mistake. I don't have the time nor energy, nor desire to convince you otherwise.
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by petro on Sept 27, 2014 19:12:53 GMT 1, With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art.
RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room for Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat.
With a degree in art, I stand by my statement that anyone who discounts an artist's work solely because it looks similar to another artists work, knows very little about art in general. As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. My argument is not on "very shaky ground." You just don't know what you're talking about. Do yourself a favor and go to a museum. There are entire movements based around various artistic styles and methods of applying paint to canvas. Artists absolutely do not have any obligation to create work that is "vastly different" in order to make a meaningful contribution. Are you saying that there is no room for both Paul Signac and Georges Seurat? Which artist do we discount? Which paintings go in the garbage? Which of the impressionist artists are original in your mind and which are rip-offs? One could certainly argue they are all "derivative." RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room for Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by samfrost on Sept 27, 2014 19:55:14 GMT 1, A++++ analysis by randomname.
Phew, the RAE trolls are out! Do not feed the RAE trolls...
A++++ analysis by randomname. Phew, the RAE trolls are out! Do not feed the RAE trolls... |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by stvro22 on Sept 27, 2014 20:01:54 GMT 1, As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art.ย My argument is not onย "very shaky ground." You just don't know what you're talking about.ย Do yourself a favor and go to a museum. There are entire movements based around various artistic styles and methods of applying paint to canvas. Artists absolutely do not have any obligation to create work that is "vastly different" in order to make a meaningful contribution. Are you saying that there is no room for bothย Paul Signac andย Georges Seurat? Which artist do we discount? Which paintings go in the garbage? Which of the impressionist artists are original in your mind and which are rip-offs? One could certainly argue they are all "derivative." RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room forย Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat.
Brilliant points Petro. Nothing else to add.
As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art.ย My argument is not onย "very shaky ground." You just don't know what you're talking about.ย Do yourself a favor and go to a museum. There are entire movements based around various artistic styles and methods of applying paint to canvas. Artists absolutely do not have any obligation to create work that is "vastly different" in order to make a meaningful contribution. Are you saying that there is no room for bothย Paul Signac andย Georges Seurat? Which artist do we discount? Which paintings go in the garbage? Which of the impressionist artists are original in your mind and which are rip-offs? One could certainly argue they are all "derivative." RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room forย Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat. Brilliant points Petro. Nothing else to add. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Sept 27, 2014 20:31:32 GMT 1, Oh my god...but anyone know the story, the poetic and the life of basquiat?? I think no. It's impossible to compare rae with basquiat. Only becouse their paints recall the primitive style??? Bah anyway the fact that rae is compared to basquiat i think is a great thing for rae.
Oh my god...but anyone know the story, the poetic and the life of basquiat?? I think no. It's impossible to compare rae with basquiat. Only becouse their paints recall the primitive style??? Bah anyway the fact that rae is compared to basquiat i think is a great thing for rae.
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Hairbland on Sept 28, 2014 2:18:12 GMT 1, I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles. Kokian.
I find his work cuckoo, mad, makes me keep looking at it, trying to understand, then i wonder if there is anything about it that is to understand. Its one of these things i'll grow out of possibly, when i am around 60 i like it Yup, my advice is grow out of it around 60 then back in on it around 64, piss around for a couple of years then hone in again at 66 / 67, stay focused until 72 / 73 then just have a laugh knowing the ends in sight, realise at 76 then ends a bit nearer and start saying whatever the fk you want to any old fkr, 77 comes too quick so bit of a shock but you can walk down the lane with your underpants on your head singing 1920s Jazz or Blues torch songs and not an eyelid will be batted, after that its all about waking up and giggles. Kokian. Maybe not 1920's Jazz or Blues at this point but Pretty Vacant could work after all it's 35+ years old. And it allows for snarling in strangers' faces. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Sept 28, 2014 4:20:04 GMT 1, As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. My argument is not on "very shaky ground." You just don't know what you're talking about. Do yourself a favor and go to a museum. There are entire movements based around various artistic styles and methods of applying paint to canvas. Artists absolutely do not have any obligation to create work that is "vastly different" in order to make a meaningful contribution. Are you saying that there is no room for both Paul Signac and Georges Seurat? Which artist do we discount? Which paintings go in the garbage? Which of the impressionist artists are original in your mind and which are rip-offs? One could certainly argue they are all "derivative." RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room for Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat.
At the risk of stating the obvious, you have not named a single differentiating factor in their styles. By way of contrast, I've stated in detail why I believe their styles are nearly identical. And posted examples of nearly identical work.
lYour argument is simply "they're different because I say they're different." I've challenged you repeatedly to state specifically how their styles differ and your only response is to claim I don't know what I'm talking about while simultaneously proving you have no idea what you're talking about.
As a general rule, whenever someone has to grasp onto the old fallback of "I have a degree," whether real or imagined, it's because their argument is on very shaky ground. The fact is they're painting identical subject matter using the same techniques in a nearly identical style. Anyone who wants to argue that their styles are "vastly different," or anything other than derivative clearly knows nothing about art. My argument is not on "very shaky ground." You just don't know what you're talking about. Do yourself a favor and go to a museum. There are entire movements based around various artistic styles and methods of applying paint to canvas. Artists absolutely do not have any obligation to create work that is "vastly different" in order to make a meaningful contribution. Are you saying that there is no room for both Paul Signac and Georges Seurat? Which artist do we discount? Which paintings go in the garbage? Which of the impressionist artists are original in your mind and which are rip-offs? One could certainly argue they are all "derivative." RAE's work obviously stands on it's own. There is room in the art world for both RAE and Basquiat. Just as there is room for Metzinger and Picasso. And just as there is room for Bansky and Blek Le Rat. At the risk of stating the obvious, you have not named a single differentiating factor in their styles. By way of contrast, I've stated in detail why I believe their styles are nearly identical. And posted examples of nearly identical work. lYour argument is simply "they're different because I say they're different." I've challenged you repeatedly to state specifically how their styles differ and your only response is to claim I don't know what I'm talking about while simultaneously proving you have no idea what you're talking about. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Sept 28, 2014 7:00:33 GMT 1, In italy there is a sentence that i don't know how to translate correctly, that explane, i think, well, the concept of copycat or other similarity between artists.
After the impressionist, the artist " non e' piu' quello che sa fare qualcosa ma quello che dice qualcosa". I try to translate. " the artist isn't more who do somerhing but who say something". Then based a challenge only on the style is out of time.
In italy there is a sentence that i don't know how to translate correctly, that explane, i think, well, the concept of copycat or other similarity between artists.
After the impressionist, the artist " non e' piu' quello che sa fare qualcosa ma quello che dice qualcosa". I try to translate. " the artist isn't more who do somerhing but who say something". Then based a challenge only on the style is out of time.
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 8:36:43 GMT 1, Basquiat & Zinelli.
Did they both copy Rae?.
Basquiat & Zinelli.
Did they both copy Rae?.
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by petro on Oct 1, 2014 4:53:54 GMT 1, New RAE prints are looking amazingโฆ 100% hand-painted background and all unique. Here's one pre-screen.
New RAE prints are looking amazingโฆ 100% hand-painted background and all unique. Here's one pre-screen. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 1, 2014 11:08:33 GMT 1, I like it, I think RAE (which is a young artist) is slowly finding its way. I usually buy original works, not prints, but for this I might make an exception
I like it, I think RAE (which is a young artist) is slowly finding its way. I usually buy original works, not prints, but for this I might make an exception
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by stvro22 on Oct 2, 2014 2:36:33 GMT 1, Just came across this - realize that this hasnt sold yet but found it interesting that RAEs pricepoints are starting to elevate quite a bit(this piece is much larget than most of the stuff hes been doing). artsy.net/show/masters-projects-lost-corcosa
Fantastic piece. I saw it in person. Was told it was sold.
Just came across this - realize that this hasnt sold yet but found it interesting that RAEs pricepoints are starting to elevate quite a bit(this piece is much larget than most of the stuff hes been doing). artsy.net/show/masters-projects-lost-corcosaFantastic piece. I saw it in person. Was told it was sold. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by valentina on Oct 3, 2014 4:58:15 GMT 1, His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like. Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine.       
His Africa show had about 12 originals and all sold in days so not sure what you mean there. This is a new site and maybe hasn't had the eyes yet. Plus I still don't get this exact Basquiat comparison either. I see elements with a loose approach but if you put a RAE work next to Basquiat they are vastly different in styles. Who cares really. Buy what you like. Your definition of vastly different is vastly different from mine. RAE rules! I am the owner of the piece directly above, as well as another original and quite a few prints. Had to drop in on this post and rep. He is the dude who got me into collecting - I'll be a loyal fan as long as I can afford this addiction! -John Serritella / ANOTONE |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 5:14:30 GMT 1, RAE rules! I am the owner of the piece directly above, as well as another original and quite a few prints. Had to drop in on this post and rep. He is the dude who got me into collecting - I'll be a loyal fan as long as I can afford this addiction! -John Serritella / ANOTONE
I don't have anything against him personally. I assume he's a very nice guy. I just think he's heavily influenced by Basquiat. Because of that, I think the ceiling for his marketability is much lower than if his style was more unique.
RAE rules! I am the owner of the piece directly above, as well as another original and quite a few prints. Had to drop in on this post and rep. He is the dude who got me into collecting - I'll be a loyal fan as long as I can afford this addiction! -John Serritella / ANOTONE I don't have anything against him personally. I assume he's a very nice guy. I just think he's heavily influenced by Basquiat. Because of that, I think the ceiling for his marketability is much lower than if his style was more unique. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 8:49:05 GMT 1, I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do.
I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do.
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by maxf on Oct 3, 2014 9:11:40 GMT 1, RAE rules! I am the owner of the piece directly above, as well as another original and quite a few prints. Had to drop in on this post and rep. He is the dude who got me into collecting - I'll be a loyal fan as long as I can afford this addiction! -John Serritella / ANOTONE I don't have anything against him personally. I assume he's a very nice guy. I just think he's heavily influenced by Basquiat. Because of that, I think the ceiling for his marketability is much lower than if his style was more unique.
Actually - if he is a legitimate artist, with his own style which may (or may not!) be Basquiat inspired then surely he could capture a slice of the market which enjoys the style but can't afford ยฃ10m (or whatever) for an original. Maybe.
RAE rules! I am the owner of the piece directly above, as well as another original and quite a few prints. Had to drop in on this post and rep. He is the dude who got me into collecting - I'll be a loyal fan as long as I can afford this addiction! -John Serritella / ANOTONE I don't have anything against him personally. I assume he's a very nice guy. I just think he's heavily influenced by Basquiat. Because of that, I think the ceiling for his marketability is much lower than if his style was more unique. Actually - if he is a legitimate artist, with his own style which may (or may not!) be Basquiat inspired then surely he could capture a slice of the market which enjoys the style but can't afford ยฃ10m (or whatever) for an original. Maybe. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 9:50:18 GMT 1, I don't have anything against him personally. I assume he's a very nice guy. I just think he's heavily influenced byย Basquiat. Because of that, I think the ceiling for his marketability is much lower than if his style was more unique.ย Actually - if he is a legitimate artist, with his own style which may (or may not!) be Basquiat inspired then surely he could capture a slice of the market which enjoys the style but can't afford ยฃ10m (or whatever) for an original. Maybe.
Why?
I don't have anything against him personally. I assume he's a very nice guy. I just think he's heavily influenced byย Basquiat. Because of that, I think the ceiling for his marketability is much lower than if his style was more unique.ย Actually - if he is a legitimate artist, with his own style which may (or may not!) be Basquiat inspired then surely he could capture a slice of the market which enjoys the style but can't afford ยฃ10m (or whatever) for an original. Maybe. Why? |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by maxf on Oct 3, 2014 10:59:46 GMT 1, Actually - if he is a legitimate artist, with his own style which may (or may not!) be Basquiat inspired then surely he could capture a slice of the market which enjoys the style but can't afford ยฃ10m (or whatever) for an original. Maybe. Why?
Actually - if he is a legitimate artist, with his own style which may (or may not!) be Basquiat inspired then surely he could capture a slice of the market which enjoys the style but can't afford ยฃ10m (or whatever) for an original. Maybe. Why? Why not? The post above mentioned that his style would hold him back, I thought it might not. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 11:14:42 GMT 1, The world MARKET art is very complex, the value (price, cost) that will the work in the future, has nothing to do with the style or the pleasantness of a work.
Do you think basquiat costs so much just because it works beautiful and brilliant? do you think that the art market is made by artists or collectors? no. If we talk about style or techniques or any other concerns that the artist ok, but talk about how much will be worth based on the work and the quality is something that makes no sense.
The world MARKET art is very complex, the value (price, cost) that will the work in the future, has nothing to do with the style or the pleasantness of a work.
Do you think basquiat costs so much just because it works beautiful and brilliant? do you think that the art market is made by artists or collectors? no. If we talk about style or techniques or any other concerns that the artist ok, but talk about how much will be worth based on the work and the quality is something that makes no sense.
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by maxf on Oct 3, 2014 11:56:49 GMT 1, The world MARKET art is very complex, the value (price, cost) that will the work in the future, has nothing to do with the style or the pleasantness of a work. Do you think basquiat costs so much just because it works beautiful and brilliant? do you think that the art market is made by artists or collectors? no. If we talk about style or techniques or any other concerns that the artist ok, but talk about how much will be worth based on the work and the quality is something that makes no sense.
What are you talking about? Are you just arguing with yourself?
The world MARKET art is very complex, the value (price, cost) that will the work in the future, has nothing to do with the style or the pleasantness of a work. Do you think basquiat costs so much just because it works beautiful and brilliant? do you think that the art market is made by artists or collectors? no. If we talk about style or techniques or any other concerns that the artist ok, but talk about how much will be worth based on the work and the quality is something that makes no sense. What are you talking about? Are you just arguing with yourself? |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 13:01:56 GMT 1, The world MARKET art is very complex, the value (price, cost) that will the work in the future, has nothing to do with the style or the pleasantness of a work. Do you think basquiat costs so much just because it works beautiful and brilliant? do you think that the art market is made by artists or collectors? no. If we talk about style or techniques or any other concerns that the artist ok, but talk about how much will be worth based on the work and the quality is something that makes no sense. What are you talking about?ย Are you just arguing with yourself?
Sorry probably i don't understand what you wrote before!
The world MARKET art is very complex, the value (price, cost) that will the work in the future, has nothing to do with the style or the pleasantness of a work. Do you think basquiat costs so much just because it works beautiful and brilliant? do you think that the art market is made by artists or collectors? no. If we talk about style or techniques or any other concerns that the artist ok, but talk about how much will be worth based on the work and the quality is something that makes no sense. What are you talking about?ย Are you just arguing with yourself? Sorry probably i don't understand what you wrote before! |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 15:03:02 GMT 1, I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do.
As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws.
If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for.
That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market.
If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form.
I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do. This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by stvro22 on Oct 3, 2014 15:15:51 GMT 1, I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do. This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for.ย That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form.
Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased?
If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE.
If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no?
I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do. This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for.ย That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form. Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased? If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE. If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no? |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by stvro22 on Oct 3, 2014 15:30:50 GMT 1, And while you're crunching those numbers let us know what Basquiat was selling his work for in the first 5 years of his career? You can add the inflation rate to your figure.
Hint: I heard he was selling works for about $100. 
And while you're crunching those numbers let us know what Basquiat was selling his work for in the first 5 years of his career? You can add the inflation rate to your figure. Hint: I heard he was selling works for about $100. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by italianstallion on Oct 3, 2014 15:59:52 GMT 1, I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do. This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form.
I still do not understand. I do not understand why on RAE you make all these speeches and on the stencil artist no. Banksy, blek, Dolk, dot dot dot (and other) all use the same style. The only one who uses a style similar to that of basquiat (primitive, childhood style) is Rae. But for everyone else it is ok to use similar styles, for rae rather not do. This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form. So, I'd like to know if someone who writes of the similarity between basquiat and rae has ever had in his hand a basquiat original and a rae original. I will. Here, have nothing to do, the only meeting point is the style that recalls the so-called outsider art, naive art, art brut. As for the poetry, basquiat born, if you will, with many more features like Banksy. With his pseudonym SAMO, he used to write on the walls sentences that had an impact on social rather than artistic. Then later he began to attend the artistically important people of new york, the jet set, and thanks to his talent has arrived where we see it all now. Basquiat wanted to become famous, was his goal. (this is a small observation of the differences between rae and basquiat but you could write for hours). Only a vision, very, very superficial of the things can combine the art of Basquiat to that of Rae. Never worlds were more distant. |
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RAE BK ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn New York Street Artist, by randomname on Oct 3, 2014 16:19:15 GMT 1, This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form. Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased? If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE. If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no?
There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today.
This thread is about RAE, so I think it's only natural to discus his work rather than that of stencil artists. But if you want to have that discussion, we can. As far as Banksy and Blek go, I've already said how their styles and the ideas behind their work are different. Beyond that, Banksy has proven himself to be much more than just a stencil artist. He's worked in just about every medium possible, including film, sculpture, oils and performance art. So claiming that Banksy copied Blek is clutching at straws. If you want to argue that other stencil artists are inspired by Banksy, I wouldn't disagree. As a result, there's not nearly as much demand for their work as there is for Banksy's. And their work sells for a fraction of what Banksy's goes for. That said, the value of art is affected by more factors than originality alone. But the perception of originality, or the lack thereof, plays a large role in the market. If there had been no Basquiat, I think you'd see RAE's work selling for quite a bit more money. But then if there had been no Basquiat, I don't think there would be a RAE. At least not in his current form. Do you even know what a RAE original on canvas sells for? Do you know how much he's sold this year or last? Do you know about his private commissions and what they cost? Do you know his overall sales history and if the price for his work has increased? If you do please enlighten us oh great Art History major of all things RAE. If your going to state things as fact surely you must have some facts no? There's no reason to get defensive over someone else's artwork. It just makes you look childish and immature. But to answer your question, RAE has original works for sale in the neighborhood of $1,000 which have not sold. As for Basquiat, his work was going for $25,000-$50,000 in his early 20s. I don't think we need to adjust for inflation to make the point, but that's roughly $72,000-$140,000 today. |
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