sfinks
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Edition vs AP, by sfinks on Dec 29, 2011 2:39:02 GMT 1, Hi all
I am new to this forum and to street/urban art in general.
I've red on wiki about AP, but could someone tell me a bit about "AP for dummies" 
Tnx
Hi all I am new to this forum and to street/urban art in general. I've red on wiki about AP, but could someone tell me a bit about "AP for dummies" Tnx |
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Edition vs AP, by speebe on Dec 29, 2011 2:49:11 GMT 1, Hi all I am new to this forum and to street/urban art in general. I've red on wiki about AP, but could someone tell me a bit about "AP for dummies" Tnx
AP = Artists Proof
PP = Printers Proof
TP = Test Proof/Print
These are the initial colour test or print trials and can differ in colour and quality...
Often more limited and as a result more desirable..!
However some artists are known for having large editions of AP's with no obvious difference to the main edition which is detrimental to the whole concept of 'Proofs' IMO.
Hi all I am new to this forum and to street/urban art in general. I've red on wiki about AP, but could someone tell me a bit about "AP for dummies" Tnx AP = Artists Proof PP = Printers Proof TP = Test Proof/Print These are the initial colour test or print trials and can differ in colour and quality... Often more limited and as a result more desirable..! However some artists are known for having large editions of AP's with no obvious difference to the main edition which is detrimental to the whole concept of 'Proofs' IMO. |
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Edition vs AP, by johnnyh on Dec 29, 2011 5:15:21 GMT 1, Good explanation Speebe if I may add you will often see the difference in the numbering
Eg. edition 68/120. AP 2/10
So there is a percieved extra value. Its usually the same althoughj as mentioned can be some differences
If differences in the colour this also increases the value as there using the exampla above only 10 AP's
Good explanation Speebe if I may add you will often see the difference in the numbering
Eg. edition 68/120. AP 2/10
So there is a percieved extra value. Its usually the same althoughj as mentioned can be some differences
If differences in the colour this also increases the value as there using the exampla above only 10 AP's
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Edition vs AP, by iamzero on Dec 29, 2011 10:05:15 GMT 1, I have one of the 20 AP's Ben Eine made for the Moniker art fair recently.
I have no idea why the number of proofs is so large or how it differs at all from the main edition?
I have one of the 20 AP's Ben Eine made for the Moniker art fair recently.
I have no idea why the number of proofs is so large or how it differs at all from the main edition?
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Edition vs AP, by curiousgeorge on Dec 29, 2011 17:25:41 GMT 1, Rule of thumb +20/30%*
*Not all artists operate this way
Rule of thumb +20/30%*
*Not all artists operate this way
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johnnyh
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Edition vs AP, by johnnyh on Dec 29, 2011 17:42:11 GMT 1, Think now they do more and just price them as a bit of a thing. Much older prints and mean much older were real proofs etc. Printing used to be much riskier now with modern printing it's a bit boll*€ks really.
But still cool if diff colours etc.
Dface spiderman the green v red is classic example of deliberate colour change as are some of the tasty Banksy diff colours but all deliberate
Think now they do more and just price them as a bit of a thing. Much older prints and mean much older were real proofs etc. Printing used to be much riskier now with modern printing it's a bit boll*€ks really.
But still cool if diff colours etc.
Dface spiderman the green v red is classic example of deliberate colour change as are some of the tasty Banksy diff colours but all deliberate
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Edition vs AP, by Brushstrokes 75 on Dec 30, 2011 22:02:12 GMT 1, Think now they do more and just price them as a bit of a thing. Much older prints and mean much older were real proofs etc. Printing used to be much riskier now with modern printing it's a bit boll*€ks really. But still cool if diff colours etc. Dface spiderman the green v red is classic example of deliberate colour change as are some of the tasty Banksy diff colours but all deliberate
+1
It's different now than it was before.
Proofs were the first print issued.
In chronological order, it would probably be :
Trial Proofs/Artist Proof (they intertwine sometimes)
Printer's Proof (Proof given & kept by the printer) which usually is the first good prints from which they will base the edition printing. You also have what we call BAT wich is French for Bon à Tirer which is for the print from which the edition will be based on. (The ultimate one you have to "copy" for "perfection").
Then you might have what we call HC prints which is short for Hors Commerce (still in French) which is basically not for sale prints. Prints that were usually given by the artists to friends, curators etc.......
Then you got your final edition.
Now as Johnny pointed it out. Back in the days, it was real printing. When you were using techniques like etching/lithographing/drypointing etc etc... You couldn't print as many as you wanted. The etching copper plate or the lithographic plate would wear off after printing the run (might explain why prints were so limited as well).
So usually, it meant that the first proof printed should be of higher quality than the final print and that the colours or image you wear off after printing.
They usually tried to limit the run so all image would be of same quality.
Since Warhol, most contemporary artists use screenprinting. With Screenprinting, you end up having easily the same quality everytime for a long time. So I would say that trial or artist proof which defer from the final run would be more expensive than the normal run. If it's exactly the same, apart from them being a little scarcier, it wouldn't change much!
Think now they do more and just price them as a bit of a thing. Much older prints and mean much older were real proofs etc. Printing used to be much riskier now with modern printing it's a bit boll*€ks really. But still cool if diff colours etc. Dface spiderman the green v red is classic example of deliberate colour change as are some of the tasty Banksy diff colours but all deliberate +1 It's different now than it was before. Proofs were the first print issued. In chronological order, it would probably be : Trial Proofs/Artist Proof (they intertwine sometimes) Printer's Proof (Proof given & kept by the printer) which usually is the first good prints from which they will base the edition printing. You also have what we call BAT wich is French for Bon à Tirer which is for the print from which the edition will be based on. (The ultimate one you have to "copy" for "perfection"). Then you might have what we call HC prints which is short for Hors Commerce (still in French) which is basically not for sale prints. Prints that were usually given by the artists to friends, curators etc....... Then you got your final edition. Now as Johnny pointed it out. Back in the days, it was real printing. When you were using techniques like etching/lithographing/drypointing etc etc... You couldn't print as many as you wanted. The etching copper plate or the lithographic plate would wear off after printing the run (might explain why prints were so limited as well). So usually, it meant that the first proof printed should be of higher quality than the final print and that the colours or image you wear off after printing. They usually tried to limit the run so all image would be of same quality. Since Warhol, most contemporary artists use screenprinting. With Screenprinting, you end up having easily the same quality everytime for a long time. So I would say that trial or artist proof which defer from the final run would be more expensive than the normal run. If it's exactly the same, apart from them being a little scarcier, it wouldn't change much! |
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sfinks
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Edition vs AP, by sfinks on Dec 31, 2011 0:40:58 GMT 1, Tnx all for making the deal with AP very clear.
I see now that today the 20/30% rule is for many artist very true.
Special thanks to brushstrokes75 for really taking your time and going in the depth of it
Must admit i like the idea of it tho. Makes the trade, collecting and so on a bit more fun/interesting.
Tnx all for making the deal with AP very clear. I see now that today the 20/30% rule is for many artist very true. Special thanks to brushstrokes75 for really taking your time and going in the depth of it Must admit i like the idea of it tho. Makes the trade, collecting and so on a bit more fun/interesting. |
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Edition vs AP, by Brushstrokes 75 on Jan 1, 2012 22:12:29 GMT 1, I can tell you that TP if they are unique, can go for way more than the normal edition (even without handfinishing).
I can tell you that TP if they are unique, can go for way more than the normal edition (even without handfinishing).
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