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Invader • Warning • Print, by Shoot Again on Jan 6, 2012 9:34:09 GMT 1, I'm a newbie to the art world and this forum and as previous posters have mentioned, lurking in the background is a great way to learn about a topic that interests you. I dare say a lot of the posters here did the same thing when they started out. With regard to the flippers, it's pretty boring with everyone having a go at them every single time. If someone really wanted an invader print they would have gone to pow. I'm sick of people saying they missed out etc. how many were stood in the cold in the queue missing out? None I expect. The fact is, the prints are released at less than their market value hence the reason there is a flippers margin. I don't have a problem with it myself. If members spent as much time queuing for prints as they did moaning about flippers, you'd all have a sodding invader! Just my thoughts from an outsiders perspective.
Some people have a job and not everybody lives in London !!!
I'm a newbie to the art world and this forum and as previous posters have mentioned, lurking in the background is a great way to learn about a topic that interests you. I dare say a lot of the posters here did the same thing when they started out. With regard to the flippers, it's pretty boring with everyone having a go at them every single time. If someone really wanted an invader print they would have gone to pow. I'm sick of people saying they missed out etc. how many were stood in the cold in the queue missing out? None I expect. The fact is, the prints are released at less than their market value hence the reason there is a flippers margin. I don't have a problem with it myself. If members spent as much time queuing for prints as they did moaning about flippers, you'd all have a sodding invader! Just my thoughts from an outsiders perspective. Some people have a job and not everybody lives in London !!! |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by Cedric Mnich on Jan 6, 2012 10:01:28 GMT 1, Flipping is unfortunately a consequence of an unbalance between supply and demand. 50 or 125 prints released are not enough for invader fans. There would be less flipping if the edition sizewas 500 like Shep's. And flipping prices would be more decent. Gallery and especially Artist are responsible for flipping imho. It would be easy to adapt the size of the print and avoid flipping / speculation, especially when the artist has become famous and has a strong reputation. But it serves the artist's interest (art market value) who probably decides the size of the edition, creating hype, rarity and frustration (which is an engine of desire...). Given galleries promote the print launch weeks in advance, it would be easy to make an email pre-subscription during a small period of time and adjust the size of runs in consequence. Handiedan did so last year on facebook, the print size was adapted to actual demand and I bought two prints of which the biggest edition was a 365 prints run. I just sold it, but though it is gorgeous, I had difficulties selling it (sold for 149 USD, which is not a huge amount, though I made a 100 USD profit on it, which was not my initial intention when I bought it but changed my mind as my wife does not want it on our walls :/...). I think it was difficult to sell it because, most people who wanted one, got one initially. Therefore, that prevents from flipping and speculation. Profit can still be made, but in decent proportions.
PS : For those who don't have the info yet, Invader releases the Paris invasion book 1.2 (invaders 500 to 1000) in March.
Flipping is unfortunately a consequence of an unbalance between supply and demand. 50 or 125 prints released are not enough for invader fans. There would be less flipping if the edition sizewas 500 like Shep's. And flipping prices would be more decent. Gallery and especially Artist are responsible for flipping imho. It would be easy to adapt the size of the print and avoid flipping / speculation, especially when the artist has become famous and has a strong reputation. But it serves the artist's interest (art market value) who probably decides the size of the edition, creating hype, rarity and frustration (which is an engine of desire...). Given galleries promote the print launch weeks in advance, it would be easy to make an email pre-subscription during a small period of time and adjust the size of runs in consequence. Handiedan did so last year on facebook, the print size was adapted to actual demand and I bought two prints of which the biggest edition was a 365 prints run. I just sold it, but though it is gorgeous, I had difficulties selling it (sold for 149 USD, which is not a huge amount, though I made a 100 USD profit on it, which was not my initial intention when I bought it but changed my mind as my wife does not want it on our walls :/...). I think it was difficult to sell it because, most people who wanted one, got one initially. Therefore, that prevents from flipping and speculation. Profit can still be made, but in decent proportions.
PS : For those who don't have the info yet, Invader releases the Paris invasion book 1.2 (invaders 500 to 1000) in March.
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Invader • Warning • Print, by confused2 on Jan 6, 2012 10:05:46 GMT 1, I'm a newbie to the art world and this forum and as previous posters have mentioned, lurking in the background is a great way to learn about a topic that interests you. I dare say a lot of the posters here did the same thing when they started out. With regard to the flippers, it's pretty boring with everyone having a go at them every single time. If someone really wanted an invader print they would have gone to pow. I'm sick of people saying they missed out etc. how many were stood in the cold in the queue missing out? None I expect. The fact is, the prints are released at less than their market value hence the reason there is a flippers margin. I don't have a problem with it myself. If members spent as much time queuing for prints as they did moaning about flippers, you'd all have a sodding invader! Just my thoughts from an outsiders perspective. Some people have a job and not everybody lives in London !!!
I'd love to be able to queue for hours (days) to get my hands on the latest POW releases, well some of them, but living in the North of Scotland and the fact that I'm self employed kind of scuppers that... So short of sending someone down to do my dirty work I'm always going to be at the mercy of the internet, flippers and any lotteries that may or may not be run in the future...
I'm a newbie to the art world and this forum and as previous posters have mentioned, lurking in the background is a great way to learn about a topic that interests you. I dare say a lot of the posters here did the same thing when they started out. With regard to the flippers, it's pretty boring with everyone having a go at them every single time. If someone really wanted an invader print they would have gone to pow. I'm sick of people saying they missed out etc. how many were stood in the cold in the queue missing out? None I expect. The fact is, the prints are released at less than their market value hence the reason there is a flippers margin. I don't have a problem with it myself. If members spent as much time queuing for prints as they did moaning about flippers, you'd all have a sodding invader! Just my thoughts from an outsiders perspective. Some people have a job and not everybody lives in London !!! I'd love to be able to queue for hours (days) to get my hands on the latest POW releases, well some of them, but living in the North of Scotland and the fact that I'm self employed kind of scuppers that... So short of sending someone down to do my dirty work I'm always going to be at the mercy of the internet, flippers and any lotteries that may or may not be run in the future... |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by Brushstrokes 75 on Jan 6, 2012 10:17:25 GMT 1, What 'big' galleries? and where have they professed it? I would imagine its very much in a galleries interest to create enough hype on an artist to get to the flipping stage. its pretty good marketing, wish i was that clever and motivated  ...POW have said in the past they'd rather it didn't happen, I've had conversations with staff at Laz/Outsiders, the Obey site claims they disapprove (doesn't stop their latest prints hitting eBay within 6 minutes or so). Hype is all well and good, it'll always exist around certain artists, but I still feel there's a point at which by being just a little proactive, they could get more art into the hands of legitimate fans
I agree 100% with Manty. It's good business for the galleries.
People tend to forget that they galleries mostly make their money on OGs (or commissions and private dealings we don't know anything about) rather than via print release (even though they score big there as well).
The hype which is generated by the fact that most prints sell out in minutes (if not seconds) is good PR & cheap marketing. Prints sell out in second (they don't use any space in storage/quick turnorver). They get flipped for 2 or 3 times the selling amount which in the end help raises the artist profile/pricing.
For example, Dran's POW shows last year OG were probably around £3/£4K. This year they were probably £10K upward when prints remained around the same mark (mas o menos).
People don't like buying stuff that are lying around for a long time without anyone snapping it (they think something might be wrong with it).
Anyway, it's a virtuous cycle. It also helps the gallery get new artists under management as they are having a lot of successes with other artists in the past selling out.
Better for them to sell at those prices than sell for twice as much and not sell out straight away or at all.
What 'big' galleries? and where have they professed it? I would imagine its very much in a galleries interest to create enough hype on an artist to get to the flipping stage. its pretty good marketing, wish i was that clever and motivated ...POW have said in the past they'd rather it didn't happen, I've had conversations with staff at Laz/Outsiders, the Obey site claims they disapprove (doesn't stop their latest prints hitting eBay within 6 minutes or so). Hype is all well and good, it'll always exist around certain artists, but I still feel there's a point at which by being just a little proactive, they could get more art into the hands of legitimate fans I agree 100% with Manty. It's good business for the galleries. People tend to forget that they galleries mostly make their money on OGs (or commissions and private dealings we don't know anything about) rather than via print release (even though they score big there as well). The hype which is generated by the fact that most prints sell out in minutes (if not seconds) is good PR & cheap marketing. Prints sell out in second (they don't use any space in storage/quick turnorver). They get flipped for 2 or 3 times the selling amount which in the end help raises the artist profile/pricing. For example, Dran's POW shows last year OG were probably around £3/£4K. This year they were probably £10K upward when prints remained around the same mark (mas o menos). People don't like buying stuff that are lying around for a long time without anyone snapping it (they think something might be wrong with it). Anyway, it's a virtuous cycle. It also helps the gallery get new artists under management as they are having a lot of successes with other artists in the past selling out. Better for them to sell at those prices than sell for twice as much and not sell out straight away or at all. |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by Cedric Mnich on Jan 6, 2012 10:24:30 GMT 1, If members spent as much time queuing for prints as they did moaning about flippers, you'd all have a sodding invader!
Read more: urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=ebaychat&action=display&thread=90639&page=4#ixzz1ifTxE925
Given you're a newbie, you probably missed the fact that most invader fans live outside London and guess what, they live worldwide as Invader is world famous (now on every continent) ! I tried to buy one online but it was sold out in a second (though I had enough time to see the add to basket button). Flipping in unfortunately part of that silly game and I accept it to a certain extent but won't facilitate it by buying prints at 2,3 or 4 times the launch price 2 weeks later. Flipping works as long as there are buyers.
If members spent as much time queuing for prints as they did moaning about flippers, you'd all have a sodding invader! Read more: urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=ebaychat&action=display&thread=90639&page=4#ixzz1ifTxE925Given you're a newbie, you probably missed the fact that most invader fans live outside London and guess what, they live worldwide as Invader is world famous (now on every continent) ! I tried to buy one online but it was sold out in a second (though I had enough time to see the add to basket button). Flipping in unfortunately part of that silly game and I accept it to a certain extent but won't facilitate it by buying prints at 2,3 or 4 times the launch price 2 weeks later. Flipping works as long as there are buyers. |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 12:59:24 GMT 1, So how much these invaders going for then? Generally, they're not - not on eBay anyway, hardly any sold and the ones that have sold have gone for peanuts. That's why they're being offered up here for "trade"... A common case of flooding their own market.
Yup! A silver finished this morning @ £551
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warning-Invader-Silver-Limited-Edition-Print-Not-Banksy-/170756249616?pt=UK_art_prints_GL&hash=item27c1dd9810#ht_500wt_1363
Ended at a ridiculous time (7am) which didn't help but it does demonstrate that these just aren't shifting - hardly worth the 15 hours in the queue for the £64 profit once eBay and PayPal take out their fee's...
If anyone has a silver they wanna shift at a SENSIBLE PRICE gimme a shout.
TVM ;D
So how much these invaders going for then? Generally, they're not - not on eBay anyway, hardly any sold and the ones that have sold have gone for peanuts. That's why they're being offered up here for "trade"... A common case of flooding their own market. Yup! A silver finished this morning @ £551 www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warning-Invader-Silver-Limited-Edition-Print-Not-Banksy-/170756249616?pt=UK_art_prints_GL&hash=item27c1dd9810#ht_500wt_1363Ended at a ridiculous time (7am) which didn't help but it does demonstrate that these just aren't shifting - hardly worth the 15 hours in the queue for the £64 profit once eBay and PayPal take out their fee's... If anyone has a silver they wanna shift at a SENSIBLE PRICE gimme a shout. TVM ;D |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by telecine on Jan 12, 2012 1:09:05 GMT 1, Still looking for a Scream.... Anyone?
Still looking for a Scream.... Anyone?
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Invader • Warning • Print, by billierayvalentine on Jan 21, 2012 14:10:15 GMT 1, Anyone wanting to sell this print, PM me.
Anyone wanting to sell this print, PM me.
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Invader • Warning • Print, by andypandy007 on Jan 23, 2012 18:00:13 GMT 1, Invader Warning prints for sale or trade, signed.
In mint condition.
Please PM offers.
Invader Warning prints for sale or trade, signed.
In mint condition.
Please PM offers.
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Invader • Warning • Print, by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 20:58:11 GMT 1, Grey and Silver? Tut.
Grey and Silver? Tut.
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Invader • Warning • Print, by iamzero on Jan 23, 2012 21:51:16 GMT 1, PM if you're looking for somewhere near to cost, I'd love one these on my wall.
PM if you're looking for somewhere near to cost, I'd love one these on my wall.
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Invader • Warning • Print, by andypandy007 on Jan 25, 2012 13:04:35 GMT 1, grey for £450 and sliver warning offers or trades on this one!.
grey for £450 and sliver warning offers or trades on this one!.
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Invader • Warning • Print, by iamzero on Jan 25, 2012 19:08:08 GMT 1, Moron alert.
Moron alert.
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Invader • Warning • Print, by billierayvalentine on Jan 27, 2012 0:05:46 GMT 1, Anyone wanting to sell this print, PM me - I know Mister-Frame-Man would do a good job on it 
Anyone wanting to sell this print, PM me - I know Mister-Frame-Man would do a good job on it |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by irshiebaby on Jan 27, 2012 18:30:45 GMT 1, I have a Silver (of the edition of 50) - it is available for £2000 plus P&P
PM me if you want to buy
I have the POW receipt
I have a Silver (of the edition of 50) - it is available for £2000 plus P&P
PM me if you want to buy
I have the POW receipt
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Invader • Warning • Print, by xmyart on Jan 27, 2012 18:32:31 GMT 1, I have a Silver (of the edition of 50) - it is available for £2000 plus P&P PM me if you want to buy I have the POW receipt
What a pisstaker you are then eh.
I have a Silver (of the edition of 50) - it is available for £2000 plus P&P PM me if you want to buy I have the POW receipt What a pisstaker you are then eh. |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by seqret on Jan 27, 2012 18:40:14 GMT 1, I have a Silver (of the edition of 50) - it is available for £2000 plus P&P PM me if you want to buy I have the POW receipt
lol
I have a Silver (of the edition of 50) - it is available for £2000 plus P&P PM me if you want to buy I have the POW receipt lol |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by manty on Jan 27, 2012 18:47:07 GMT 1, I have a Silver (of the edition of 50) - it is available for £2000 plus P&P PM me if you want to buy I have the POW receipt lol
I am guessing the primary was under £2k? Including P&P
I have a Silver (of the edition of 50) - it is available for £2000 plus P&P PM me if you want to buy I have the POW receipt lol I am guessing the primary was under £2k? Including P&P |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by xmyart on Jan 27, 2012 18:50:07 GMT 1, £425 manty, this dude makes ebay look like a bargain basement.
£425 manty, this dude makes ebay look like a bargain basement.
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Invader • Warning • Print, by billierayvalentine on Jan 27, 2012 18:51:43 GMT 1, I have a Silver (of the edition of 50) - it is available for £2000 plus P&P PM me if you want to buy I have the POW receipt
The +P&P is what makes this steal a non starter.
I have a Silver (of the edition of 50) - it is available for £2000 plus P&P PM me if you want to buy I have the POW receipt The +P&P is what makes this steal a non starter. |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by manty on Jan 27, 2012 18:54:24 GMT 1, £425 manty, this dude makes ebay look like a bargain basement.
Quite funny though ;D
£425 manty, this dude makes ebay look like a bargain basement. Quite funny though ;D |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by lbrabs on Jan 27, 2012 18:54:38 GMT 1, A comedian obviously!
A comedian obviously!
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Invader • Warning • Print, by xmyart on Jan 27, 2012 19:00:34 GMT 1, Stands a better chance as a comedian than he does a salesman!!!
Stands a better chance as a comedian than he does a salesman!!!
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Invader • Warning • Print, by kempy79 on Jan 28, 2012 18:14:21 GMT 1, Yep
Yep
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Invader • Warning • Print, by irshiebaby on Jan 29, 2012 10:50:16 GMT 1, LOL - The message was clear enough - its outpriced because it aint 4 sale...watch this edition fly over the next few months/1 year to more than £2K....my second job is as a comedian (the first being neuroscience!!)
Have a great weekend...
Off to Nelly Duff now!
LOL - The message was clear enough - its outpriced because it aint 4 sale...watch this edition fly over the next few months/1 year to more than £2K....my second job is as a comedian (the first being neuroscience!!)
Have a great weekend...
Off to Nelly Duff now!
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Invader • Warning • Print, by billierayvalentine on Jan 29, 2012 14:31:08 GMT 1, Thought I had a deal done on a grey, seller now gone quiet 
Thought I had a deal done on a grey, seller now gone quiet |
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Invader • Warning • Print, by andypandy007 on Feb 8, 2012 12:58:20 GMT 1, Looking to Sale or Trade my Sliver Warning by Invader.
PM me.
Looking to Sale or Trade my Sliver Warning by Invader.
PM me.
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Invader • Warning • Print, by billierayvalentine on Feb 8, 2012 14:58:52 GMT 1, Looking to Sale or Trade my Sliver Warning by Invader. PM me.
How much are you trying to sell this for?
Looking to Sale or Trade my Sliver Warning by Invader. PM me. How much are you trying to sell this for? |
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