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Price drop?, by mydeaddogwontwoof on Aug 11, 2007 23:18:27 GMT 1, Is it my imagination, or do I detect a definit/significant price drop across all signed/unsigned Banksys? With the recent stock market crash if there is downward trend its sure to dip further before it levels. Any thoughts?
pish!, who gives a flying fuck, if you have bought stuff within your means that you really like you wont care, if you haven't been able to afford to buy what you really like, soon you might! (i would be a tad concerned if i had bought things on the drip though!)
Is it my imagination, or do I detect a definit/significant price drop across all signed/unsigned Banksys? With the recent stock market crash if there is downward trend its sure to dip further before it levels. Any thoughts? pish!, who gives a flying fuck, if you have bought stuff within your means that you really like you wont care, if you haven't been able to afford to buy what you really like, soon you might! (i would be a tad concerned if i had bought things on the drip though!) |
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Price drop?, by skanky on Aug 11, 2007 23:24:25 GMT 1, IMO ,I dont think the state of the economy has had any impact yet on the price of prints etc. The slow down in the price of Banksy prints is down to the Neate exhibition, there are many people who missed out and want to collect his work. There are also many people who have spent over their budget and need to pay for their purchases. Once it has all died down we will see were we all are.
IMO ,I dont think the state of the economy has had any impact yet on the price of prints etc. The slow down in the price of Banksy prints is down to the Neate exhibition, there are many people who missed out and want to collect his work. There are also many people who have spent over their budget and need to pay for their purchases. Once it has all died down we will see were we all are.
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Price drop?, by wlsp4657 on Aug 11, 2007 23:33:16 GMT 1, I attribute the drop in prices to the fact that the market is over saturated. I guess the neate show is having somewhat of an affect on the prices of other artist, but I think it is a great time to buy. Of all the artists we discuss Bansky is one of the only artists who I feel has really establied himslef and will prove to have staying power. Micallef and Neate are close, but I don't feel they are quite there yet. And because of this I feel is risking spending 3K or 4K on a Neate print, when there is a chance prices will crash in the long run.
Just my opinion, please respect it as I respect all of yours, and value your opinions.
I attribute the drop in prices to the fact that the market is over saturated. I guess the neate show is having somewhat of an affect on the prices of other artist, but I think it is a great time to buy. Of all the artists we discuss Bansky is one of the only artists who I feel has really establied himslef and will prove to have staying power. Micallef and Neate are close, but I don't feel they are quite there yet. And because of this I feel is risking spending 3K or 4K on a Neate print, when there is a chance prices will crash in the long run.
Just my opinion, please respect it as I respect all of yours, and value your opinions.
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Price drop?, by mydeaddogwontwoof on Aug 11, 2007 23:33:18 GMT 1, Yeah, the Neate effect is a definite contributing factor i reckon, time will tell.
Yeah, the Neate effect is a definite contributing factor i reckon, time will tell.
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Price drop?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 12, 2007 4:05:57 GMT 1, I know 98% of the people dont listen until the s*hit hits the fan. Thats just the way it is. Just remember - that beautiful piece of "art" you just put on credit is a PRINT. A print is a replica. A 5K print is a fancy replica. If you think about it you're laying out thousands for nothing creative. All that money is going to something technical - printing. Thats a scary thought...
I know 98% of the people dont listen until the s*hit hits the fan. Thats just the way it is. Just remember - that beautiful piece of "art" you just put on credit is a PRINT. A print is a replica. A 5K print is a fancy replica. If you think about it you're laying out thousands for nothing creative. All that money is going to something technical - printing. Thats a scary thought...
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Price drop?, by ricosg11 on Aug 12, 2007 4:42:57 GMT 1, I know 98% of the people dont listen until the s*hit hits the fan. Thats just the way it is. Just remember - that beautiful piece of "art" you just put on credit is a PRINT. A print is a replica. A 5K print is a fancy replica. If you think about it you're laying out thousands for nothing creative. All that money is going to something technical - printing. Thats a scary thought...
this may come off nasty but welcome to the art world my friend is the way it has been and the way it shall stay. not everyone can afford originals.
I know 98% of the people dont listen until the s*hit hits the fan. Thats just the way it is. Just remember - that beautiful piece of "art" you just put on credit is a PRINT. A print is a replica. A 5K print is a fancy replica. If you think about it you're laying out thousands for nothing creative. All that money is going to something technical - printing. Thats a scary thought... this may come off nasty but welcome to the art world my friend is the way it has been and the way it shall stay. not everyone can afford originals. |
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Price drop?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 12, 2007 4:53:51 GMT 1, what art world are you talking about? the street art scene of a whole 2 years?
what art world are you talking about? the street art scene of a whole 2 years?
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Price drop?, by jam on Aug 12, 2007 6:59:45 GMT 1, I believe he was speaking in the context of mediums such as lithographic print making, and that has been a part of the art world (not just the "street art scene") since the late 1700's. Artists from Toulouse-Lautrec, through Picasso, Bacon, Warhol, and virtually every artist between have embraced the print as an extension of their artistic statement. Seeing how there are numerous single lithograph prints that have sales records well over 100k, it seems it is a widely accepted medium to art collectors and museums as well. As for the excessive credit spending to attain any art, you have a legitimate point there... but the print is as much a form of art as a sculpture or oil painting.
I believe he was speaking in the context of mediums such as lithographic print making, and that has been a part of the art world (not just the "street art scene") since the late 1700's. Artists from Toulouse-Lautrec, through Picasso, Bacon, Warhol, and virtually every artist between have embraced the print as an extension of their artistic statement. Seeing how there are numerous single lithograph prints that have sales records well over 100k, it seems it is a widely accepted medium to art collectors and museums as well. As for the excessive credit spending to attain any art, you have a legitimate point there... but the print is as much a form of art as a sculpture or oil painting.
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Price drop?, by peggysue on Aug 12, 2007 7:40:09 GMT 1, Litho or not. I'm buying the image.
Litho or not. I'm buying the image.
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Price drop?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 12, 2007 16:36:52 GMT 1, I believe he was speaking in the context of mediums such as lithographic print making, and that has been a part of the art world (not just the "street art scene") since the late 1700's. Artists from Toulouse-Lautrec, through Picasso, Bacon, Warhol, and virtually every artist between have embraced the print as an extension of their artistic statement. Seeing how there are numerous single lithograph prints that have sales records well over 100k, it seems it is a widely accepted medium to art collectors and museums as well. As for the excessive credit spending to attain any art, you have a legitimate point there... but the print is as much a form of art as a sculpture or oil painting.
I think most would shun at your last sentence  That said hey if one wants to pay a relatively ridiculous price for a replica compounded by the fact that the artist has no track record (aside from maybe banksy) - then so be it. If you believe the artists in this scene are anywhere in the same league as the ones you mentioned then I wish you (us!) all the best. In any case, I'd be interested to know what the edition size/original price/date etc of some of the more valuable prints from picasso/bacon etc etc are. Thanks for your time
I believe he was speaking in the context of mediums such as lithographic print making, and that has been a part of the art world (not just the "street art scene") since the late 1700's. Artists from Toulouse-Lautrec, through Picasso, Bacon, Warhol, and virtually every artist between have embraced the print as an extension of their artistic statement. Seeing how there are numerous single lithograph prints that have sales records well over 100k, it seems it is a widely accepted medium to art collectors and museums as well. As for the excessive credit spending to attain any art, you have a legitimate point there... but the print is as much a form of art as a sculpture or oil painting. I think most would shun at your last sentence That said hey if one wants to pay a relatively ridiculous price for a replica compounded by the fact that the artist has no track record (aside from maybe banksy) - then so be it. If you believe the artists in this scene are anywhere in the same league as the ones you mentioned then I wish you (us!) all the best. In any case, I'd be interested to know what the edition size/original price/date etc of some of the more valuable prints from picasso/bacon etc etc are. Thanks for your time |
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Price drop?, by runningdog on Aug 12, 2007 17:22:19 GMT 1, If you believe the artists in this scene are anywhere in the same league as the ones you mentioned then I wish you (us!) all the best. In any case, I'd be interested to know what the edition size/original price/date etc of some of the more valuable prints from picasso/bacon etc etc are. Thanks for your time
If you think Picasso and Bacon etc are so utterly superior to the street artists we love, how about trying a different forum? Or maybe have a trip to the National Gallery?
If you believe the artists in this scene are anywhere in the same league as the ones you mentioned then I wish you (us!) all the best. In any case, I'd be interested to know what the edition size/original price/date etc of some of the more valuable prints from picasso/bacon etc etc are. Thanks for your time If you think Picasso and Bacon etc are so utterly superior to the street artists we love, how about trying a different forum? Or maybe have a trip to the National Gallery? |
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Price drop?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 12, 2007 18:49:30 GMT 1, Whats that asinine statement from right wingers... "if you don't like it go live in another country".
why do people get so defensive? Any type of remote criticism and/or commentary aside from "thats sensational" "great investment" and people either want me to leave or even threaten me lol. I'm just trying to speak rational - I actually have quite a bit of holdings in this scene but I am also realistic about the irrational economics that I believe can not be supported.
Whats that asinine statement from right wingers... "if you don't like it go live in another country".
why do people get so defensive? Any type of remote criticism and/or commentary aside from "thats sensational" "great investment" and people either want me to leave or even threaten me lol. I'm just trying to speak rational - I actually have quite a bit of holdings in this scene but I am also realistic about the irrational economics that I believe can not be supported.
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Price drop?, by adrscib on Aug 13, 2007 8:17:18 GMT 1, Banksy prices have tumbled 35% in the last one and a half month.
I remember a reaper sold for ยฃ7k, and now it is going for ยฃ4.6k.
A Sepia sold ยฃ4250 in May has now sold ยฃ2650...
other prints are selling ... at similar price ranges....
the weston super mare are constantly being relisted....
this in my opinion is a healthy correction.... and will allow those who missed the boat to some prints.
Banksy prices have tumbled 35% in the last one and a half month.
I remember a reaper sold for ยฃ7k, and now it is going for ยฃ4.6k.
A Sepia sold ยฃ4250 in May has now sold ยฃ2650...
other prints are selling ... at similar price ranges....
the weston super mare are constantly being relisted....
this in my opinion is a healthy correction.... and will allow those who missed the boat to some prints.
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Price drop?, by keepingitreal on Aug 13, 2007 8:25:54 GMT 1, A Grin Reaper never actually sold for 7K that sale never happened. As for a price drop, lets wait until christmas and see what happens. Exactly the same thing happened last year, everyone is on holiday spending vast amounts of money, which they probably made from selling Banksy art. 
A Grin Reaper never actually sold for 7K that sale never happened. As for a price drop, lets wait until christmas and see what happens. Exactly the same thing happened last year, everyone is on holiday spending vast amounts of money, which they probably made from selling Banksy art. |
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Price drop?, by mcnuts on Aug 13, 2007 8:29:59 GMT 1, Banksy prices have tumbled 35% in the last one and a half month. I remember a reaper sold for ยฃ7k, and now it is going for ยฃ4.6k. A Sepia sold ยฃ4250 in May has now sold ยฃ2650... other prints are selling ... at similar price ranges.... the weston super mare are constantly being relisted.... this in my opinion is a healthy correction.... and will allow those who missed the boat to some prints.
ppl away for the summer hard to compare the two sepias, one from the US (the cheaper one) and one from the UK. PPl likely to pay more for the print inside the UK. Could also depend on reputation of the seller and the like. Fickle fickle fickle.
Banksy prices have tumbled 35% in the last one and a half month. I remember a reaper sold for ยฃ7k, and now it is going for ยฃ4.6k. A Sepia sold ยฃ4250 in May has now sold ยฃ2650... other prints are selling ... at similar price ranges.... the weston super mare are constantly being relisted.... this in my opinion is a healthy correction.... and will allow those who missed the boat to some prints. ppl away for the summer hard to compare the two sepias, one from the US (the cheaper one) and one from the UK. PPl likely to pay more for the print inside the UK. Could also depend on reputation of the seller and the like. Fickle fickle fickle. |
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Price drop?, by neutral on Aug 13, 2007 8:35:20 GMT 1, Those worry should sell their collection now.
The rest should enjoy theirs.
Yawn.
Those worry should sell their collection now.
The rest should enjoy theirs.
Yawn.
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Price drop?, by snakes on Aug 13, 2007 8:37:05 GMT 1, As someone said a little earlier, there are numerous factors involved. The market is over saturated, there is a limited market, there are people out there sitting on more prints than they have wall space to hang them (in nice portfolios under the bed) to name a few.
As soon as the pinch/squeeze really takes hold a large amount of those prints that are being squirrelled under the bed for a rainy day will surface to see the light of day again.
The next problem is that many of those prints that were by artists that have been overhyped and over inflated in price by interest by this forum (beejoir, mantis, dolk, etc etc) will be worth the best part of bugger all. Combine this with the fact that there will be competition in this off load of prints they may de-value even further and thus we get what is called "the Eelus effect" (prints that were purchased on ebay for ยฃ170 ish quid last year now lucky to sell at issue price).
I am happy in that i can say that i no longer have any surplus prints sitting under my bed and that the ones that i have on my wall were all purchased at cost and if there is any drop in price, (which i dont care about anyroad) i will not be significantly worse off financially but if i were i can easilly offset that against what the prints have given to me in brightening up my living space and and by adding to my home environment...
As someone said a little earlier, there are numerous factors involved. The market is over saturated, there is a limited market, there are people out there sitting on more prints than they have wall space to hang them (in nice portfolios under the bed) to name a few.
As soon as the pinch/squeeze really takes hold a large amount of those prints that are being squirrelled under the bed for a rainy day will surface to see the light of day again.
The next problem is that many of those prints that were by artists that have been overhyped and over inflated in price by interest by this forum (beejoir, mantis, dolk, etc etc) will be worth the best part of bugger all. Combine this with the fact that there will be competition in this off load of prints they may de-value even further and thus we get what is called "the Eelus effect" (prints that were purchased on ebay for ยฃ170 ish quid last year now lucky to sell at issue price).
I am happy in that i can say that i no longer have any surplus prints sitting under my bed and that the ones that i have on my wall were all purchased at cost and if there is any drop in price, (which i dont care about anyroad) i will not be significantly worse off financially but if i were i can easilly offset that against what the prints have given to me in brightening up my living space and and by adding to my home environment...
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Price drop?, by Deleted on Aug 13, 2007 8:49:12 GMT 1, snakes i promise i am not having a go at you when i say this , just a bit of fun. but there really isn't any chance of prints gathering dust underneath your bed m8. they are sold before they get home. 
snakes i promise i am not having a go at you when i say this , just a bit of fun. but there really isn't any chance of prints gathering dust underneath your bed m8. they are sold before they get home. |
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Price drop?, by mcnuts on Aug 13, 2007 8:55:21 GMT 1, As someone said a little earlier, there are numerous factors involved. The market is over saturated, there is a limited market, there are people out there sitting on more prints than they have wall space to hang them (in nice portfolios under the bed) to name a few. As soon as the pinch/squeeze really takes hold a large amount of those prints that are being squirrelled under the bed for a rainy day will surface to see the light of day again. The next problem is that many of those prints that were by artists that have been overhyped and over inflated in price by interest by this forum (beejoir, mantis, dolk, etc etc) will be worth the best part of bugger all. Combine this with the fact that there will be competition in this off load of prints they may de-value even further and thus we get what is called "the Eelus effect" (prints that were purchased on ebay for ยฃ170 ish quid last year now lucky to sell at issue price). I am happy in that i can say that i no longer have any surplus prints sitting under my bed and that the ones that i have on my wall were all purchased at cost and if there is any drop in price, (which i dont care about anyroad) i will not be significantly worse off financially but if i were i can easilly offset that against what the prints have given to me in brightening up my living space and and by adding to my home environment...
snakes are you retiring? 
As someone said a little earlier, there are numerous factors involved. The market is over saturated, there is a limited market, there are people out there sitting on more prints than they have wall space to hang them (in nice portfolios under the bed) to name a few. As soon as the pinch/squeeze really takes hold a large amount of those prints that are being squirrelled under the bed for a rainy day will surface to see the light of day again. The next problem is that many of those prints that were by artists that have been overhyped and over inflated in price by interest by this forum (beejoir, mantis, dolk, etc etc) will be worth the best part of bugger all. Combine this with the fact that there will be competition in this off load of prints they may de-value even further and thus we get what is called "the Eelus effect" (prints that were purchased on ebay for ยฃ170 ish quid last year now lucky to sell at issue price). I am happy in that i can say that i no longer have any surplus prints sitting under my bed and that the ones that i have on my wall were all purchased at cost and if there is any drop in price, (which i dont care about anyroad) i will not be significantly worse off financially but if i were i can easilly offset that against what the prints have given to me in brightening up my living space and and by adding to my home environment... snakes are you retiring? |
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Price drop?, by corisma on Aug 13, 2007 11:58:17 GMT 1, Everything cools off slightly during these couple of summer months including house prices as people are off spending & enjoying their cash on holidays etc. it soon picks up rapidly again when people are back indoors
The art market is also a market within itself & the stock market's not linked to everything as some people think .. during & after the september 11th stock crash house prices literally soared so no comparison there whatsoever
also as in any crash the smart ones will still reinvest to profit long term .. and Banksy is here to stay long term .. he'll go down in history as a key revolutionary artist of our troubled times .. he's not a fad as a few still like to think
a lot of people now probably own the Banksy's that they'd like to but there will always be new people coming into the scene ..
a couple of my mates that used to be interested in street art 10 years ago had never even heard of him as they don't waste their time on the interenet but when they saw my Barcode , Grin Reaper , Queen vic & Rats they instantly loved them to bits & wanted to know more
granted he has soared high in such a short space of time but that doesn't just happen for no good reason
just because somebody doesn't have 5/6k to snap a print up one week doesn't mean that that print isn't actually worth 5/6k
everything goes through minor blips but as any good stock market analyst will tell you the long term trend is still only going one way .. and it's not down
Everything cools off slightly during these couple of summer months including house prices as people are off spending & enjoying their cash on holidays etc. it soon picks up rapidly again when people are back indoors The art market is also a market within itself & the stock market's not linked to everything as some people think .. during & after the september 11th stock crash house prices literally soared so no comparison there whatsoever also as in any crash the smart ones will still reinvest to profit long term .. and Banksy is here to stay long term .. he'll go down in history as a key revolutionary artist of our troubled times .. he's not a fad as a few still like to think a lot of people now probably own the Banksy's that they'd like to but there will always be new people coming into the scene .. a couple of my mates that used to be interested in street art 10 years ago had never even heard of him as they don't waste their time on the interenet but when they saw my Barcode , Grin Reaper , Queen vic & Rats they instantly loved them to bits & wanted to know more granted he has soared high in such a short space of time but that doesn't just happen for no good reason just because somebody doesn't have 5/6k to snap a print up one week doesn't mean that that print isn't actually worth 5/6k everything goes through minor blips but as any good stock market analyst will tell you the long term trend is still only going one way .. and it's not down |
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Price drop?, by corisma on Aug 13, 2007 12:03:54 GMT 1, I agree the Neate & Micaleff factor is also relevant as people rushed to snap up their new works instead of existing Banksys
But saying that i do think many of these new hyped up artists will soon fade into obscurity pretty rapidly
I agree the Neate & Micaleff factor is also relevant as people rushed to snap up their new works instead of existing Banksys
But saying that i do think many of these new hyped up artists will soon fade into obscurity pretty rapidly
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Price drop?, by howlinhooker on Aug 13, 2007 12:35:37 GMT 1, yeah but tried to get an unsigned mr w churchill of the bay last night still made 1550 ish a bit to much for me so not much of a price drop !!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah but tried to get an unsigned mr w churchill of the bay last night still made 1550 ish a bit to much for me so not much of a price drop !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Price drop?, by skanky on Aug 13, 2007 13:51:02 GMT 1, I agree the Neate & Micaleff factor is also relevant as people rushed to snap up their new works instead of existing Banksys But saying that i do think many of these new hyped up artists will soon fade into obscurity pretty rapidly
Do you think Neate and Micallef are hyped up ?
I agree the Neate & Micaleff factor is also relevant as people rushed to snap up their new works instead of existing Banksys But saying that i do think many of these new hyped up artists will soon fade into obscurity pretty rapidly Do you think Neate and Micallef are hyped up ? |
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Price drop?, by corblimeylimey on Aug 13, 2007 14:19:08 GMT 1, I think Neate and Micallef are in a different world to most of the street stuff, only Banksy is there price wise and gallery/auction wise.
Neate & Micallef are much more towards the fine art side of things IMO and they 'fit' better in the traditional fine art gallery situation, I guess you could add Denning to that too, but Beejoir, Mantis, Invader, D Face, Blek Le Rat and others similar are a different kettle of fish.
I think Neate and Micallef are in a different world to most of the street stuff, only Banksy is there price wise and gallery/auction wise.
Neate & Micallef are much more towards the fine art side of things IMO and they 'fit' better in the traditional fine art gallery situation, I guess you could add Denning to that too, but Beejoir, Mantis, Invader, D Face, Blek Le Rat and others similar are a different kettle of fish.
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Price drop?, by Daniel Silk on Aug 13, 2007 14:25:11 GMT 1, I think Neate and Micallef are in a different world to most of the street stuff, only Banksy is there price wise and gallery/auction wise. Neate & Micallef are much more towards the fine art side of things IMO and they 'fit' better in the traditional fine art gallery situation, I guess you could add Denning to that too, but Beejoir, Mantis, Invader, D Face, Blek Le Rat and others similar are a different kettle of fish.
Yeah, spot on! ;D
These artist's are in a completely different market  That I guess has a bit more money to spend than the average Street/Graffiti art lover. But things are changing ;D
I think Neate and Micallef are in a different world to most of the street stuff, only Banksy is there price wise and gallery/auction wise. Neate & Micallef are much more towards the fine art side of things IMO and they 'fit' better in the traditional fine art gallery situation, I guess you could add Denning to that too, but Beejoir, Mantis, Invader, D Face, Blek Le Rat and others similar are a different kettle of fish. Yeah, spot on! ;D These artist's are in a completely different market That I guess has a bit more money to spend than the average Street/Graffiti art lover. But things are changing ;D |
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Price drop?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 13, 2007 14:26:51 GMT 1, IMO Micallef and especially Neate are very good artists but nowhere near anything that justifies their prices. If there was no Banksy 95% of the people would not know who the above 2 are. What people forget or don't realize is that Banksy prices are more for high profile pranks than his art itself. Theoretically say theres an equation: Banksy price = 90% high profile pranks/vandalism + 10%art. The general population is fascinated by him. So when people claim the "next Banksy" there is a fundamental flaw. How can somebody like Micallef have comparable prices to Banksy when he has none of the 90% portion that makes up Banksy prices? The prices are comparable because of hype.
*disclosure- I will be THERE on the 18th
IMO Micallef and especially Neate are very good artists but nowhere near anything that justifies their prices. If there was no Banksy 95% of the people would not know who the above 2 are. What people forget or don't realize is that Banksy prices are more for high profile pranks than his art itself. Theoretically say theres an equation: Banksy price = 90% high profile pranks/vandalism + 10%art. The general population is fascinated by him. So when people claim the "next Banksy" there is a fundamental flaw. How can somebody like Micallef have comparable prices to Banksy when he has none of the 90% portion that makes up Banksy prices? The prices are comparable because of hype.
*disclosure- I will be THERE on the 18th
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Price drop?, by baldwin on Aug 13, 2007 14:29:40 GMT 1, I think Neate and Micallef are in a different world to most of the street stuff, only Banksy is there price wise and gallery/auction wise. Neate & Micallef are much more towards the fine art side of things IMO and they 'fit' better in the traditional fine art gallery situation, I guess you could add Denning to that too, but Beejoir, Mantis, Invader, D Face, Blek Le Rat and others similar are a different kettle of fish.
I think Neate and Micallef certainly are fine art but are not necessarily in a different world. Banksy has helped a create a new market of art lovers. Art has become a very accessible thing to a new breed of people. Neate and Micallef have been associated with the Scene because their subject matter is to do with contemporary issues just like banksy. (and because of associating themselves with the right names)
So I guess I am saying that Neate and Micallef wouldn't be quite as big as they are if it weren't for banksy so are therefore not in a different world. I know alot of people may disagree.
I think Neate and Micallef are in a different world to most of the street stuff, only Banksy is there price wise and gallery/auction wise. Neate & Micallef are much more towards the fine art side of things IMO and they 'fit' better in the traditional fine art gallery situation, I guess you could add Denning to that too, but Beejoir, Mantis, Invader, D Face, Blek Le Rat and others similar are a different kettle of fish. I think Neate and Micallef certainly are fine art but are not necessarily in a different world. Banksy has helped a create a new market of art lovers. Art has become a very accessible thing to a new breed of people. Neate and Micallef have been associated with the Scene because their subject matter is to do with contemporary issues just like banksy. (and because of associating themselves with the right names) So I guess I am saying that Neate and Micallef wouldn't be quite as big as they are if it weren't for banksy so are therefore not in a different world. I know alot of people may disagree. |
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Price drop?, by baldwin on Aug 13, 2007 14:33:02 GMT 1, Yeah, spot on! ;D These artist's are in a completely different market That I guess has a bit more money to spend than the average Street/Graffiti art lover. But things are changing ;D
I disagreeing with two big guns here ;D I really think Neate lovers are in the same market as Banksy lovers. Primarly that market consists of people on this board.
Yeah, spot on! ;D These artist's are in a completely different market That I guess has a bit more money to spend than the average Street/Graffiti art lover. But things are changing ;D I disagreeing with two big guns here ;D I really think Neate lovers are in the same market as Banksy lovers. Primarly that market consists of people on this board. |
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Price drop?, by pezlow on Aug 13, 2007 14:40:06 GMT 1, I agree with you Baldwin. Most of people I met at the Neate show were on this board, or just generally banksy fans. Neate does have the potential to move into the contemporary fine art world but at the moment there is little doubt that it is the likes of us that are buying his stuff.
Saying that CBL and Silky are both right that Neate and Micallefs work is really a different genre completely to the other street artists CBL referred to.
I agree with you Baldwin. Most of people I met at the Neate show were on this board, or just generally banksy fans. Neate does have the potential to move into the contemporary fine art world but at the moment there is little doubt that it is the likes of us that are buying his stuff.
Saying that CBL and Silky are both right that Neate and Micallefs work is really a different genre completely to the other street artists CBL referred to.
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Price drop?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 13, 2007 14:42:55 GMT 1, The art market is also a market within itself & the stock market's not linked to everything as some people think .. during & after the september 11th stock crash house prices literally soared so no comparison there whatsoever
YIKES! gotta correct you here buddy
The stock market crash was well on its way before 9/11 as the tech bubble had popped prior. Secondly, the housing boom is directly related to the stock market crash as investors took all their money from stocks and put it into what was considered a safe haven in housing. The feds in efforts to combat the stock plunge slashed interest rates = record low mortgage rates + coupled with investors need for new money = housing boom.
The art market is also a market within itself & the stock market's not linked to everything as some people think .. during & after the september 11th stock crash house prices literally soared so no comparison there whatsoever YIKES! gotta correct you here buddy The stock market crash was well on its way before 9/11 as the tech bubble had popped prior. Secondly, the housing boom is directly related to the stock market crash as investors took all their money from stocks and put it into what was considered a safe haven in housing. The feds in efforts to combat the stock plunge slashed interest rates = record low mortgage rates + coupled with investors need for new money = housing boom. |
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That said hey if one wants to pay a relatively ridiculous price for a replica compounded by the fact that the artist has no track record (aside from maybe banksy) - then so be it. If you believe the artists in this scene are anywhere in the same league as the ones you mentioned then I wish you (us!) all the best. In any case, I'd be interested to know what the edition size/original price/date etc of some of the more valuable prints from picasso/bacon etc etc are. Thanks for your time 
That I guess has a bit more money to spend than the average Street/Graffiti art lover. But things are changing 
