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Forged signatures??, by artcare on Aug 25, 2007 9:25:51 GMT 1, Morning all,
I have changed my user name as just wanted to remain anonymous in making this posting.
Small word of warning
A friend purchased a signed DAMIEN HIRST - DEATH OF GOD SHOW POSTER from ebay a little while back.
The signature looks very different to the one I got directly from the gallery. I feel for my friend who has paid top dollar for something which looks to be a fake.
Not only is it immoral but criminal to forge someoneโs signature!!
To the seller who I believe is on this forum if you read this please take noteโฆ. I urge you to remove your listings and be more honest in the futureโฆ. these posters were somewhat limited and you have sold 10 of themโฆ.makes me wonderโฆ
The posters may well be genuine (which I why I have not and will not name names) in which case I take it all back and apologize with no harm being doneโฆโฆ
On a brighter noteโฆUp the gunners!!!! Big win today!!! (hopefully)
Morning all,
I have changed my user name as just wanted to remain anonymous in making this posting.
Small word of warning
A friend purchased a signed DAMIEN HIRST - DEATH OF GOD SHOW POSTER from ebay a little while back.
The signature looks very different to the one I got directly from the gallery. I feel for my friend who has paid top dollar for something which looks to be a fake.
Not only is it immoral but criminal to forge someoneโs signature!!
To the seller who I believe is on this forum if you read this please take noteโฆ. I urge you to remove your listings and be more honest in the futureโฆ. these posters were somewhat limited and you have sold 10 of themโฆ.makes me wonderโฆ
The posters may well be genuine (which I why I have not and will not name names) in which case I take it all back and apologize with no harm being doneโฆโฆ
On a brighter noteโฆUp the gunners!!!! Big win today!!! (hopefully)
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Forged signatures??, by mcnuts on Aug 25, 2007 10:07:07 GMT 1, interesting post. was the buyer not provided with a receipt from Other Criteria?
With respect to Hirst's signature, i saw two variations on the signature being sold and i know both variations were "real" as they were sent to me direct from OC.
Just as an example, this ebay auction - no idea if this is the seller who's listing is being contested but in this listing Item number: 250155973914 you can see the variation in signature. He signed both D. Hirst and Damien Hirst.
Anyway, I'm no expert at all but I recieved posters with both signatures as well and know they are legit.
If indeed they are fake, and you know they are fake, there should be a way to get cash back via paypal b/c of being sold fake goods. Also, if the person is a member of this forum, you should name and shame as long as you can confirm s/he is selling fake goods.
On what basis are you saying the signatures are fake, they are different from your piece or did the gallery say the piece he bought was fake?
Perhaps some ppl with better knowledge than me can chime in
interesting post. was the buyer not provided with a receipt from Other Criteria? With respect to Hirst's signature, i saw two variations on the signature being sold and i know both variations were "real" as they were sent to me direct from OC. Just as an example, this ebay auction - no idea if this is the seller who's listing is being contested but in this listing Item number: 250155973914 you can see the variation in signature. He signed both D. Hirst and Damien Hirst. Anyway, I'm no expert at all but I recieved posters with both signatures as well and know they are legit. If indeed they are fake, and you know they are fake, there should be a way to get cash back via paypal b/c of being sold fake goods. Also, if the person is a member of this forum, you should name and shame as long as you can confirm s/he is selling fake goods. On what basis are you saying the signatures are fake, they are different from your piece or did the gallery say the piece he bought was fake? Perhaps some ppl with better knowledge than me can chime in
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Forged signatures??, by mcnuts on Aug 25, 2007 10:33:46 GMT 1, in rereading your post, seems like you are assuming the signature if fake b/c it is different. it may not be fake so do check it out. One lesson regardless to take away is to get full provenance for the piece as well
in rereading your post, seems like you are assuming the signature if fake b/c it is different. it may not be fake so do check it out. One lesson regardless to take away is to get full provenance for the piece as well
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Forged signatures??, by Octopus UK on Aug 25, 2007 12:13:39 GMT 1, This is why it's a good idea to number the prints/posters. You can not manufacture a 31/100 without teh possibility of someone else also having that number. I don't know why OC didn't number them - but that would of raised the price by ยฃ900 I suspect.
This is why it's a good idea to number the prints/posters. You can not manufacture a 31/100 without teh possibility of someone else also having that number. I don't know why OC didn't number them - but that would of raised the price by ยฃ900 I suspect.
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Forged signatures??, by mcnuts on Aug 25, 2007 12:16:14 GMT 1, bingo
bingo
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Forged signatures??, by bonesy on Aug 26, 2007 10:57:31 GMT 1, I picked up 2 or 3 signed Hirst posters in person at his last LA exhibit and all 3 sig's are different.
I picked up 2 or 3 signed Hirst posters in person at his last LA exhibit and all 3 sig's are different.
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Forged signatures??, by Octopus UK on Aug 26, 2007 15:44:28 GMT 1, Provenance is going to be an issue with these posters. As long as "blanks" are available it is possible for someone to forge the signature on the blanks. I have three of these posters and I am happy that I know they are genuine, and since I have no intention of selling them on, then that's fine.
Provenance is going to be an issue with these posters. As long as "blanks" are available it is possible for someone to forge the signature on the blanks. I have three of these posters and I am happy that I know they are genuine, and since I have no intention of selling them on, then that's fine.
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gent รacardi on Aug 26, 2007 16:23:58 GMT 1, I guess since it's not a numbered edition, the only way to verify authenticity would be for the seller to provide a receipt? It's reasonable to suppose that signatures can vary, depending on how tired the artist is from signing a gazillion posters, or how drunk/stoned/high he is ;D
I guess since it's not a numbered edition, the only way to verify authenticity would be for the seller to provide a receipt? It's reasonable to suppose that signatures can vary, depending on how tired the artist is from signing a gazillion posters, or how drunk/stoned/high he is ;D
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Forged signatures??, by Octopus UK on Aug 26, 2007 16:59:04 GMT 1, A receipt is not proof. I have a receipt for the purchase of three posters. If I was so inclined, I could buy blanks, sign them and make a photocopy of the receipt each time I needed to sell them. Hopefully I'm not giving anyone any ideas!!! At least with numbered prints I could only get away with this once.
A receipt is not proof. I have a receipt for the purchase of three posters. If I was so inclined, I could buy blanks, sign them and make a photocopy of the receipt each time I needed to sell them. Hopefully I'm not giving anyone any ideas!!! At least with numbered prints I could only get away with this once.
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Forged signatures??, by bonesy on Aug 26, 2007 17:06:37 GMT 1, When I purchased directly at the gallery they didnt have receipts and only took cash. This is for the Superstition poster of which only 100 were supposedly signed and luckily have a Butterfly stamp/ hologram on the back, which the unsigned edition didnt have. All of the signed editions of his posters really should just have the simple stamp on the back. I think the Superstition was the most recent of the posters so maybe this is something that will be done in the future. I think very little thought goes into these posters as their are $100 million items to be sold.
When I purchased directly at the gallery they didnt have receipts and only took cash. This is for the Superstition poster of which only 100 were supposedly signed and luckily have a Butterfly stamp/ hologram on the back, which the unsigned edition didnt have. All of the signed editions of his posters really should just have the simple stamp on the back. I think the Superstition was the most recent of the posters so maybe this is something that will be done in the future. I think very little thought goes into these posters as their are $100 million items to be sold.
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Forged signatures??, by Octopus UK on Aug 26, 2007 18:55:05 GMT 1, Around Easter I bought two Superstition posters from OC (one was for a friend) . Both were signed (in black felt tip) but neither of them had this butterfly mark of which you speak. Maybe that was just a USA thing?
Around Easter I bought two Superstition posters from OC (one was for a friend) . Both were signed (in black felt tip) but neither of them had this butterfly mark of which you speak. Maybe that was just a USA thing?
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Forged signatures??, by bonesy on Aug 26, 2007 19:00:12 GMT 1, Around Easter I bought two Superstition posters from OC (one was for a friend) . Both were signed (in black felt tip) but neither of them had this butterfly mark of which you speak. Maybe that was just a USA thing?
I didnt notice it at first, until I saw it mentioned in an ebay listing, its very very light. Though it could be just from the LA Gallery I suppose which begs the question was it 100 signed worldwide or US only.
Around Easter I bought two Superstition posters from OC (one was for a friend) . Both were signed (in black felt tip) but neither of them had this butterfly mark of which you speak. Maybe that was just a USA thing? I didnt notice it at first, until I saw it mentioned in an ebay listing, its very very light. Though it could be just from the LA Gallery I suppose which begs the question was it 100 signed worldwide or US only.
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Forged signatures??, by Octopus UK on Aug 26, 2007 21:47:18 GMT 1, In the UK last Easter, the OC site said there were 50 signed Superstition posters available.
In the UK last Easter, the OC site said there were 50 signed Superstition posters available.
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artcare
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Forged signatures??, by artcare on Aug 27, 2007 14:18:46 GMT 1, interesting post. was the buyer not provided with a receipt from Other Criteria? With respect to Hirst's signature, i saw two variations on the signature being sold and i know both variations were "real" as they were sent to me direct from OC. Just as an example, this ebay auction - no idea if this is the seller who's listing is being contested but in this listing Item number: 250155973914 you can see the variation in signature. He signed both D. Hirst and Damien Hirst. Anyway, I'm no expert at all but I recieved posters with both signatures as well and know they are legit. If indeed they are fake, and you know they are fake, there should be a way to get cash back via paypal b/c of being sold fake goods. Also, if the person is a member of this forum, you should name and shame as long as you can confirm s/he is selling fake goods. On what basis are you saying the signatures are fake, they are different from your piece or did the gallery say the piece he bought was fake? Perhaps some ppl with better knowledge than me can chime in
no it wasnt from that seller - was the other poster which was being offered, is interesting that you say you have seen different signatures, perhaps that is the case, just looked a little sloppy to me.
interesting post. was the buyer not provided with a receipt from Other Criteria? With respect to Hirst's signature, i saw two variations on the signature being sold and i know both variations were "real" as they were sent to me direct from OC. Just as an example, this ebay auction - no idea if this is the seller who's listing is being contested but in this listing Item number: 250155973914 you can see the variation in signature. He signed both D. Hirst and Damien Hirst. Anyway, I'm no expert at all but I recieved posters with both signatures as well and know they are legit. If indeed they are fake, and you know they are fake, there should be a way to get cash back via paypal b/c of being sold fake goods. Also, if the person is a member of this forum, you should name and shame as long as you can confirm s/he is selling fake goods. On what basis are you saying the signatures are fake, they are different from your piece or did the gallery say the piece he bought was fake? Perhaps some ppl with better knowledge than me can chime in no it wasnt from that seller - was the other poster which was being offered, is interesting that you say you have seen different signatures, perhaps that is the case, just looked a little sloppy to me.
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Forged signatures??, by mcnuts on Aug 27, 2007 14:23:58 GMT 1, i just had that seller as an example to highlight that s/he had 2 different signatures offered on the hirst poster and that the two variations shown on that listing are similar to the 2 variations i had shipped directly from OC.
perhaps you should post a pic so ppl here can compare?
i just had that seller as an example to highlight that s/he had 2 different signatures offered on the hirst poster and that the two variations shown on that listing are similar to the 2 variations i had shipped directly from OC.
perhaps you should post a pic so ppl here can compare?
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