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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Dec 7, 2008 13:15:56 GMT 1, Yes it would be nice to get a definitive answer wouldn't it although I'm not too sure how that can be done, one anonymous person online says one thing another anonymous person says something different. My problem with believing cartrain this time around is that I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he was in his early 20's himself from back when I was lurking. Also the way he "broke" this story here with the implications that Hirst was buying the work for his collection just makes me doubt the rest of the story. Once again i find myself having to state that i have not in any way misinformed tricked or coned anyone over the Hirst story or over my age.
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Yes it would be nice to get a definitive answer wouldn't it although I'm not too sure how that can be done, one anonymous person online says one thing another anonymous person says something different. My problem with believing cartrain this time around is that I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he was in his early 20's himself from back when I was lurking. Also the way he "broke" this story here with the implications that Hirst was buying the work for his collection just makes me doubt the rest of the story. Once again i find myself having to state that i have not in any way misinformed tricked or coned anyone over the Hirst story or over my age. blah blah........................ |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by digitalkid on Dec 7, 2008 13:17:18 GMT 1, I grant, I would like once and for all to put Cartrains actual age to bed. I had always assumed he was some some ancient retiree in really great shape since his myspace page said he's 101 years old! But honestly, I brought up 2007 articles that list him as 15, and then 2008 articles that list in as 16. If so he's pretty prodigious. I'm inclined to believe Cartrain on this one - only because if you are lying about your age at this point and any of us prove it, oh man have you shot yourself badly in the foot because I'll join in the savaging. If you're liable to lie about your age, you're liable to lie about other numbers like edition numbers! So yes, there is a difference between 16 and 22, the more I think of it, the more I'll grant that. I think my central is that, age aside, I just don't see why Cartrain still gets the Hutch treatment on this site when both I have to give props to for being active street artists and both have a couple of pieces I like. (I really don't know how to describe it exactly except as "the Hutch" treatment) But frankly, from the stories I brought up on google, they pretty consistently cite Cartrain as the age he says he is. Who else can vouch for you Cartrain? If you are 16, between the Hirst incident and the fact that I now know we may be witnessing an emerging artists' really really early work, you may have picked up more of a fan in me.
Come on Cartrain set the record straight for once. The post by raiden is willing you to do the right thing, come on!!
I grant, I would like once and for all to put Cartrains actual age to bed. I had always assumed he was some some ancient retiree in really great shape since his myspace page said he's 101 years old! But honestly, I brought up 2007 articles that list him as 15, and then 2008 articles that list in as 16. If so he's pretty prodigious. I'm inclined to believe Cartrain on this one - only because if you are lying about your age at this point and any of us prove it, oh man have you shot yourself badly in the foot because I'll join in the savaging. If you're liable to lie about your age, you're liable to lie about other numbers like edition numbers! So yes, there is a difference between 16 and 22, the more I think of it, the more I'll grant that. I think my central is that, age aside, I just don't see why Cartrain still gets the Hutch treatment on this site when both I have to give props to for being active street artists and both have a couple of pieces I like. (I really don't know how to describe it exactly except as "the Hutch" treatment) But frankly, from the stories I brought up on google, they pretty consistently cite Cartrain as the age he says he is. Who else can vouch for you Cartrain? If you are 16, between the Hirst incident and the fact that I now know we may be witnessing an emerging artists' really really early work, you may have picked up more of a fan in me. Come on Cartrain set the record straight for once. The post by raiden is willing you to do the right thing, come on!! |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Dec 7, 2008 13:25:33 GMT 1, If people would just watch t.v interviews i have done you can easily see that I'm not 22 my youtube age is only set at the wrong age so i can watch flagged videos.......
If people would just watch t.v interviews i have done you can easily see that I'm not 22 my youtube age is only set at the wrong age so i can watch flagged videos.......
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Dec 7, 2008 13:38:14 GMT 1, If people would just watch t.v interviews i have done you can easily see that I'm not 22 my youtube age is only set at the wrong age so i can watch flagged videos.......
do a new piece of art show us your balls,
that way it will settle this age bull sh it once and for all,
and I'm sure Mr Hirts will not want any cash for the piece of art as it's b o l l o c k s
just like this thread
you had an interview, you were in the news and papers, we know well done end of.
If people would just watch t.v interviews i have done you can easily see that I'm not 22 my youtube age is only set at the wrong age so i can watch flagged videos....... do a new piece of art show us your balls, that way it will settle this age bull sh it once and for all, and I'm sure Mr Hirts will not want any cash for the piece of art as it's b o l l o c k s just like this thread you had an interview, you were in the news and papers, we know well done end of. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by howler on Dec 7, 2008 13:38:59 GMT 1, Yes it would be nice to get a definitive answer wouldn't it although I'm not too sure how that can be done, one anonymous person online says one thing another anonymous person says something different. My problem with believing cartrain this time around is that I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he was in his early 20's himself from back when I was lurking. Also the way he "broke" this story here with the implications that Hirst was buying the work for his collection just makes me doubt the rest of the story. Once again i find myself having to state that i have not in any way misinformed tricked or coned anyone over the Hirst story or over my age.
You may be able too say you didn't misinform, trick or con anyone but your original post was deliberately ambiguous and written in such a way as to imply Hirst was buying your work which is in fact the complete opposite of what happened.
Yes it would be nice to get a definitive answer wouldn't it although I'm not too sure how that can be done, one anonymous person online says one thing another anonymous person says something different. My problem with believing cartrain this time around is that I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he was in his early 20's himself from back when I was lurking. Also the way he "broke" this story here with the implications that Hirst was buying the work for his collection just makes me doubt the rest of the story. Once again i find myself having to state that i have not in any way misinformed tricked or coned anyone over the Hirst story or over my age. You may be able too say you didn't misinform, trick or con anyone but your original post was deliberately ambiguous and written in such a way as to imply Hirst was buying your work which is in fact the complete opposite of what happened. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Dec 7, 2008 17:05:21 GMT 1, Once again i find myself having to state that i have not in any way misinformed tricked or coned anyone over the Hirst story or over my age. You may be able too say you didn't misinform, trick or con anyone but your original post was deliberately ambiguous and written in such a way as to imply Hirst was buying your work which is in fact the complete opposite of what happened.
Do you have multiple accounts on here? As your first post on here you gives the impression you have been on the forum well past your best before date, it would seem that you like to make accusations without being in the possession of anything to back it up with. i can see we are going to get into a bun fight over issues that are more to do with your weak speculations than anything informative. Your posts are riddles with contradictions throughout. do you pray like this?
Once again i find myself having to state that i have not in any way misinformed tricked or coned anyone over the Hirst story or over my age. You may be able too say you didn't misinform, trick or con anyone but your original post was deliberately ambiguous and written in such a way as to imply Hirst was buying your work which is in fact the complete opposite of what happened. Do you have multiple accounts on here? As your first post on here you gives the impression you have been on the forum well past your best before date, it would seem that you like to make accusations without being in the possession of anything to back it up with. i can see we are going to get into a bun fight over issues that are more to do with your weak speculations than anything informative. Your posts are riddles with contradictions throughout. do you pray like this? |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by fuzzed on Dec 7, 2008 17:30:57 GMT 1, Lol, why does it matter how old Cartrain is?
Lol, why does it matter how old Cartrain is?
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Dec 7, 2008 17:33:38 GMT 1, Lol, why does it matter how old Cartrain is?
I was thinkin the same thing ;D I think they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now looking for things to knock Cartrain.
Lol, why does it matter how old Cartrain is? I was thinkin the same thing ;D I think they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now looking for things to knock Cartrain. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by howler on Dec 7, 2008 20:19:32 GMT 1, You may be able too say you didn't misinform, trick or con anyone but your original post was deliberately ambiguous and written in such a way as to imply Hirst was buying your work which is in fact the complete opposite of what happened. Do you have multiple accounts on here? As your first post on here you gives the impression you have been on the forum well past your best before date, it would seem that you like to make accusations without being in the possession of anything to back it up with. i can see we are going to get into a bun fight over issues that are more to do with your weak speculations than anything informative. Your posts are riddles with contradictions throughout. do you pray like this?
As I've said before I read this place for quite a while before I signed up and I just reread my first post and don't get your point. Do you really think only members of this forum have any knowledge or understanding of the art market ?
Accusations, plural, I've said I don't believe you're 16 based on having read something by you or someone who knows you on here saying you're in your 20's and I'm not the only one that thinks that. What are all the other unsubstantiated accusations ? or are you just exaggerating for effect ?
Don't get your riddles with contradictions remark either maybe you could show an example.
You may be able too say you didn't misinform, trick or con anyone but your original post was deliberately ambiguous and written in such a way as to imply Hirst was buying your work which is in fact the complete opposite of what happened. Do you have multiple accounts on here? As your first post on here you gives the impression you have been on the forum well past your best before date, it would seem that you like to make accusations without being in the possession of anything to back it up with. i can see we are going to get into a bun fight over issues that are more to do with your weak speculations than anything informative. Your posts are riddles with contradictions throughout. do you pray like this? As I've said before I read this place for quite a while before I signed up and I just reread my first post and don't get your point. Do you really think only members of this forum have any knowledge or understanding of the art market ? Accusations, plural, I've said I don't believe you're 16 based on having read something by you or someone who knows you on here saying you're in your 20's and I'm not the only one that thinks that. What are all the other unsubstantiated accusations ? or are you just exaggerating for effect ? Don't get your riddles with contradictions remark either maybe you could show an example. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by howler on Dec 7, 2008 20:22:42 GMT 1, Lol, why does it matter how old Cartrain is? I was thinkin the same thing ;D I think they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now looking for things to knock Cartrain.
They ?
I'm an individual making a point maybe you'd like to make your point now.
As I've already stated there's a big difference in being a 16 year old lad and an adult in their 20's pretending to be an adult particularly when that is the main thrust of the report in the press.
Lol, why does it matter how old Cartrain is? I was thinkin the same thing ;D I think they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now looking for things to knock Cartrain. They ? I'm an individual making a point maybe you'd like to make your point now. As I've already stated there's a big difference in being a 16 year old lad and an adult in their 20's pretending to be an adult particularly when that is the main thrust of the report in the press. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by artstylee on Dec 7, 2008 20:33:31 GMT 1, Yes it would be nice to get a definitive answer wouldn't it although I'm not too sure how that can be done, one anonymous person online says one thing another anonymous person says something different. My problem with believing cartrain this time around is that I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he was in his early 20's himself from back when I was lurking. Also the way he "broke" this story here with the implications that Hirst was buying the work for his collection just makes me doubt the rest of the story. Once again i find myself having to state that i have not in any way misinformed Tricked or Coned anyone over the Hirst story or over my age.
I Didn't "Cone" Anybody either  spellcheck holmes. But you thing is art not english. And you're 16??!!! My Bad.
I Do Like Your Stuff, And Keep Up the Good Work, That Video Stuff is Really Cool. When you get older you should be real good.
Yes it would be nice to get a definitive answer wouldn't it although I'm not too sure how that can be done, one anonymous person online says one thing another anonymous person says something different. My problem with believing cartrain this time around is that I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he was in his early 20's himself from back when I was lurking. Also the way he "broke" this story here with the implications that Hirst was buying the work for his collection just makes me doubt the rest of the story. Once again i find myself having to state that i have not in any way misinformed Tricked or Coned anyone over the Hirst story or over my age. I Didn't "Cone" Anybody either spellcheck holmes. But you thing is art not english. And you're 16??!!! My Bad. I Do Like Your Stuff, And Keep Up the Good Work, That Video Stuff is Really Cool. When you get older you should be real good. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Tower Art Gallery on Dec 10, 2008 20:08:24 GMT 1, 'Wheat Field With Crows' Screen print
Edition of 1/5
Signed, numbered and printed by the artist
Printed on 250gram fine art paper.
Size 84 x 59cm approx.
Price Β£75
'Wheat Field With Crows' Screen print Edition of 1/5 Signed, numbered and printed by the artist Printed on 250gram fine art paper. Size 84 x 59cm approx. Price Β£75 |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by graeme501 on Dec 12, 2008 23:37:04 GMT 1, the thing that frustraits me most about cartain is his unwillingness to explain the meaning behind any of his collages or sculptures, it would be nice to hear from him what they are about, have asked a good view times, but have been ignored, so ill try again
the other thing that annoys me is that all his publicity comes off the back of other artists, whether it being tagging banksys work and banksy giving him a canvas, or hirst sueing him, when u let his work stand alone it is very very poor
the thing that frustraits me most about cartain is his unwillingness to explain the meaning behind any of his collages or sculptures, it would be nice to hear from him what they are about, have asked a good view times, but have been ignored, so ill try again
the other thing that annoys me is that all his publicity comes off the back of other artists, whether it being tagging banksys work and banksy giving him a canvas, or hirst sueing him, when u let his work stand alone it is very very poor
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by andrewd on Dec 12, 2008 23:54:41 GMT 1, There are plenty of artists who don't explain their work
There are artists who openly admit that the 'Banksy' effect has massively affected their careers.
There are a lot of very poor artists pretendingf to be street artists.
I am not a Cartrain fan but simply think, if you like it you like it, if you don't you don't.
Hero worship and pure hate have no part in art appreciation.
There are plenty of artists who don't explain their work
There are artists who openly admit that the 'Banksy' effect has massively affected their careers.
There are a lot of very poor artists pretendingf to be street artists.
I am not a Cartrain fan but simply think, if you like it you like it, if you don't you don't.
Hero worship and pure hate have no part in art appreciation.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Grubster on Dec 12, 2008 23:56:14 GMT 1, well put GRAEME.. all hype, str8 filler!
well put GRAEME.. all hype, str8 filler!
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Dec 13, 2008 0:34:59 GMT 1, The teenager said: 'I was quite shocked and surprised when I got the letter. It was pretty frightening. It was using language like "take you to court" and "you must deliver up the artworks"'
I never said this.... Typical of the daily mail....
The teenager said: 'I was quite shocked and surprised when I got the letter. It was pretty frightening. It was using language like "take you to court" and "you must deliver up the artworks"' I never said this.... Typical of the daily mail.... |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by graeme501 on Dec 13, 2008 0:55:25 GMT 1, care to answer my question cartain, if u dont want to post it on the forum, then pm me, im honestly interested to know the meaning behind the work
care to answer my question cartain, if u dont want to post it on the forum, then pm me, im honestly interested to know the meaning behind the work
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Billy Sport on Dec 13, 2008 2:04:45 GMT 1, The teenager said: 'I was quite shocked and surprised when I got the letter. It was pretty frightening. It was using language like "take you to court" and "you must deliver up the artworks"' I never said this.... Typical of the daily mail....
if its in the papers it must be true.. 
The teenager said: 'I was quite shocked and surprised when I got the letter. It was pretty frightening. It was using language like "take you to court" and "you must deliver up the artworks"' I never said this.... Typical of the daily mail.... if its in the papers it must be true.. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by low3 on Dec 13, 2008 2:19:49 GMT 1, care to answer my question cartain, if u dont want to post it on the forum, then pm me, im honestly interested to know the meaning behind the work
I dont think there is a meaning for it G.
Its just a collection of random magazine cuttings traced over and coloured in, under the premise of having some hidden depth of meaning. When in reality, it is the opposite.
Strange that this thread popped back up the board as a new print gets released.....
care to answer my question cartain, if u dont want to post it on the forum, then pm me, im honestly interested to know the meaning behind the work I dont think there is a meaning for it G. Its just a collection of random magazine cuttings traced over and coloured in, under the premise of having some hidden depth of meaning. When in reality, it is the opposite. Strange that this thread popped back up the board as a new print gets released..... |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Tower Art Gallery on Dec 13, 2008 13:42:03 GMT 1, the thing that frustraits me most about cartain is his unwillingness to explain the meaning behind any of his collages or sculptures, it would be nice to hear from him what they are about, have asked a good view times, but have been ignored, so ill try again the other thing that annoys me is that all his publicity comes off the back of other artists, whether it being tagging banksys work and banksy giving him a canvas, or hirst sueing him, when u let his work stand alone it is very very poor
the thing that frustraits me most about cartain is his unwillingness to explain the meaning behind any of his collages or sculptures, it would be nice to hear from him what they are about, have asked a good view times, but have been ignored, so ill try again the other thing that annoys me is that all his publicity comes off the back of other artists, whether it being tagging banksys work and banksy giving him a canvas, or hirst sueing him, when u let his work stand alone it is very very poor |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by richy00 on Dec 13, 2008 18:19:25 GMT 1, i thought everyone hated the little chap after he saw someone get stabbed and wouldnt tell the police??
or maybe the cycle of members on here only lasts a few months till they get fucked off and leave...
i thought everyone hated the little chap after he saw someone get stabbed and wouldnt tell the police??
or maybe the cycle of members on here only lasts a few months till they get fucked off and leave...
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by graeme501 on Dec 13, 2008 18:31:17 GMT 1, i see cartain is online, any chance of an answer?
i see cartain is online, any chance of an answer?
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Dec 13, 2008 18:47:15 GMT 1, i see cartain is online, any chance of an answer?
Seeing as everybody has been after an explanation for quite some time i will explain these three only for now...
The first one is the new world order train and George bush is about to drive over batman and robin killing off all hero's Cheri has seen what hes up to so shes bought tony a train set.
The second one that face i use is the face of the new world order and hes holding an oyster card machine.
And the third one is George bush about to blast off to button moon.
Every collage i do tells a story
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flickr.com/photos/alcattell/1356271120/
i see cartain is online, any chance of an answer? Seeing as everybody has been after an explanation for quite some time i will explain these three only for now... The first one is the new world order train and George bush is about to drive over batman and robin killing off all hero's Cheri has seen what hes up to so shes bought tony a train set. The second one that face i use is the face of the new world order and hes holding an oyster card machine. And the third one is George bush about to blast off to button moon. Every collage i do tells a story flickr.com/photos/bixentro/2133331396/flickr.com/photos/unusual_image/2401137567/flickr.com/photos/alcattell/1356271120/ |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by graeme501 on Dec 13, 2008 18:52:15 GMT 1, i see cartain is online, any chance of an answer? Seeing as everybody has been after an explanation for quite some time i will explain these three only for now... The first one is the new world order train and George bush is about to drive over batman and robin killing off all hero's Cheri has seen what hes up to so shes bought tony a train set. The second one that face i use is the face of the new world order and hes holding an oyster card machine. And the third one is George bush about to blast off to button moon. Every collage i do tells a story flickr.com/photos/bixentro/2133331396/flickr.com/photos/unusual_image/2401137567/flickr.com/photos/alcattell/1356271120/
cheers for that, it certainly confirms lots for me, if its any consolation, i believe ur 16 now
i see cartain is online, any chance of an answer? Seeing as everybody has been after an explanation for quite some time i will explain these three only for now... The first one is the new world order train and George bush is about to drive over batman and robin killing off all hero's Cheri has seen what hes up to so shes bought tony a train set. The second one that face i use is the face of the new world order and hes holding an oyster card machine. And the third one is George bush about to blast off to button moon. Every collage i do tells a story flickr.com/photos/bixentro/2133331396/flickr.com/photos/unusual_image/2401137567/flickr.com/photos/alcattell/1356271120/cheers for that, it certainly confirms lots for me, if its any consolation, i believe ur 16 now |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by bmjt on Dec 13, 2008 19:01:52 GMT 1, 16 seems a tad high after hearing that....at least my beliefs were confirmed, ie. that his art has little or no semantic value to go with the absence of technical ability.
16 seems a tad high after hearing that....at least my beliefs were confirmed, ie. that his art has little or no semantic value to go with the absence of technical ability.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Dec 13, 2008 19:22:58 GMT 1, 16 seems a tad high after hearing that....at least my beliefs were confirmed, ie. that his art has little or no semantic value to go with the absence of technical ability.
You surprise me only in your ability to be consistently predictable
with your responses. If you think that i would really give the under lying meaning of the work up so readily in order that you can hit back you are still as predictable as with other post you have made Yes the superficially meaning was as i have said but there is a deeper meaning it works on two levels, I suggest you read Jung Freud etc
16 seems a tad high after hearing that....at least my beliefs were confirmed, ie. that his art has little or no semantic value to go with the absence of technical ability. You surprise me only in your ability to be consistently predictable with your responses. If you think that i would really give the under lying meaning of the work up so readily in order that you can hit back you are still as predictable as with other post you have made Yes the superficially meaning was as i have said but there is a deeper meaning it works on two levels, I suggest you read Jung Freud etc |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by graeme501 on Dec 13, 2008 19:32:06 GMT 1, so no explination on the deeper meaning then?
so no explination on the deeper meaning then?
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Dec 13, 2008 19:43:06 GMT 1, so no explination on the deeper meaning then?
You have got the deeper meaning you just don't know it yet....I have always thought the ambiguity of a kitchen clock being sold next to a box of mango's far more interesting than the simplicity of what is the norm, don't you think?
so no explination on the deeper meaning then? You have got the deeper meaning you just don't know it yet....I have always thought the ambiguity of a kitchen clock being sold next to a box of mango's far more interesting than the simplicity of what is the norm, don't you think? |
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spellcheck holmes. But you thing is art not english. And you're 16??!!! My Bad.
