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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by spencerlee on Aug 19, 2009 20:25:22 GMT 1, Legal reasons?
Crimes against art?
Legal reasons?
Crimes against art?
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by imbue on Aug 19, 2009 21:08:54 GMT 1, Gosh I was just about to buy one too..
Haha, brilliant!
I really cant believe this thread is still going. It's a pretty poor stunt that has been drawn out long enough. 
Gosh I was just about to buy one too.. Haha, brilliant! I really cant believe this thread is still going. It's a pretty poor stunt that has been drawn out long enough. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by cashman on Aug 20, 2009 6:25:37 GMT 1, Gosh I was just about to buy one too.. It's a pretty poor stunt that has been drawn out long enough.
I have to say, that pun is the best thing on this whole thread...
does this mean you are now going to try and make 'art' that ripping someone else off now cartrain ?
Gosh I was just about to buy one too.. It's a pretty poor stunt that has been drawn out long enough. I have to say, that pun is the best thing on this whole thread... does this mean you are now going to try and make 'art' that ripping someone else off now cartrain ? |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by shaunyboy on Sept 4, 2009 10:26:14 GMT 1, www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/damien-hirst-in-vicious-feud-with-teenage-artist-over-a-box-of-pencils-1781463.html
Damien Hirst in vicious feud with teenage artist over a box of pencils
How much is a box of pencils worth? Fifty pence? Β£3.99 if the pencils have rubbers on the ends? Well, if they're part of a Damien Hirst art installation, the value is Β£500,000. That is what 17-year-old graffiti artist Cartrain discovered when he pilfered some pencils from Hirst's sculpture Pharmacy. And that wasn't all β he was arrested, released on bail, and is waiting to find out if he will be formally charged with causing damage to an iconic artwork worth Β£10m.
When Cartrain walked into Tate Britain and made off with a few HBs in July, he believed it was a harmless game of tit-for-tat as part of an ongoing feud. He originally locked horns with the millionaire artist last year, when he used an image of Hirst's famous diamond-encrusted skull, For the Love of God, to create collages that were put up for sale on an art website.
Hirst reported him to the Design and Artists Copyright Society and a string of legal letters were sent to Cartrain's art dealer, Tom Cuthbert, at 100artworks.com, about the teenager's pieces, also called For the Love of God. The online gallery surrendered them to Hirst with a verbal apology.
Taking revenge, Cartrain took the box of pencils that were part of Hirst's sculpture, Pharmacy, which was being shown as part of its Classified exhibition that closed at the end of last month.
He then created a "wanted"-style poster that read: "For the safe return of Damien Hirst's pencils I would like my artworks back that DACS and Hirst took off me in November. It's not a large demand... Hirst has until the end of this month to resolve this or on 31 July the pencils will be sharpened. He has been warned."
Yesterday, Cartrain told The Independent: "I went to the Tate Britain and by chance had a golden opportunity to borrow a packet of pencils from the Pharmacy exhibit. That same day I made up a fake police appeal poster advertising that the pencils had been removed from the Tate and that if anyone had any information they should contact the police on the phone number advertised.
"A few weeks later I went out and I returned home to find out the art and antiques squad from New Scotland Yard had called round with a warrant for my arrest."
He was told by custody officers that the pencils were valued at Β£500,000 and that he had damaged "the concept of a public artwork titled Pharmacy ... valued at Β£10,000,000". Cartrain is on bail and, if convicted, his actions will feature among the highest value modern art thefts in Britain. The box of pencils β a very rare "Faber Castell dated 1990 Mongol 482 Series" β will be put back by Hirst, although the installation is no longer on public display.
But that is not the end of it. Police also arrested Cartrain's 49-year-old father, who they suspected of harbouring the pencils. "Initially, we arrested his dad but it soon became clear that it was his son who was responsible," said a police source. "We arranged to arrest him by appointment. The act of theft was clearly a stunt to gain publicity."
A statement from Tate Gallery confirmed: "On Saturday 4 July 2009, a member of the public removed a box of pencils from the desk in Damien Hirst's installation Pharmacy. The matter is being investigated by the police."
www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/damien-hirst-in-vicious-feud-with-teenage-artist-over-a-box-of-pencils-1781463.htmlDamien Hirst in vicious feud with teenage artist over a box of pencilsHow much is a box of pencils worth? Fifty pence? Β£3.99 if the pencils have rubbers on the ends? Well, if they're part of a Damien Hirst art installation, the value is Β£500,000. That is what 17-year-old graffiti artist Cartrain discovered when he pilfered some pencils from Hirst's sculpture Pharmacy. And that wasn't all β he was arrested, released on bail, and is waiting to find out if he will be formally charged with causing damage to an iconic artwork worth Β£10m. When Cartrain walked into Tate Britain and made off with a few HBs in July, he believed it was a harmless game of tit-for-tat as part of an ongoing feud. He originally locked horns with the millionaire artist last year, when he used an image of Hirst's famous diamond-encrusted skull, For the Love of God, to create collages that were put up for sale on an art website. Hirst reported him to the Design and Artists Copyright Society and a string of legal letters were sent to Cartrain's art dealer, Tom Cuthbert, at 100artworks.com, about the teenager's pieces, also called For the Love of God. The online gallery surrendered them to Hirst with a verbal apology. Taking revenge, Cartrain took the box of pencils that were part of Hirst's sculpture, Pharmacy, which was being shown as part of its Classified exhibition that closed at the end of last month. He then created a "wanted"-style poster that read: "For the safe return of Damien Hirst's pencils I would like my artworks back that DACS and Hirst took off me in November. It's not a large demand... Hirst has until the end of this month to resolve this or on 31 July the pencils will be sharpened. He has been warned." Yesterday, Cartrain told The Independent: "I went to the Tate Britain and by chance had a golden opportunity to borrow a packet of pencils from the Pharmacy exhibit. That same day I made up a fake police appeal poster advertising that the pencils had been removed from the Tate and that if anyone had any information they should contact the police on the phone number advertised. "A few weeks later I went out and I returned home to find out the art and antiques squad from New Scotland Yard had called round with a warrant for my arrest." He was told by custody officers that the pencils were valued at Β£500,000 and that he had damaged "the concept of a public artwork titled Pharmacy ... valued at Β£10,000,000". Cartrain is on bail and, if convicted, his actions will feature among the highest value modern art thefts in Britain. The box of pencils β a very rare "Faber Castell dated 1990 Mongol 482 Series" β will be put back by Hirst, although the installation is no longer on public display. But that is not the end of it. Police also arrested Cartrain's 49-year-old father, who they suspected of harbouring the pencils. "Initially, we arrested his dad but it soon became clear that it was his son who was responsible," said a police source. "We arranged to arrest him by appointment. The act of theft was clearly a stunt to gain publicity." A statement from Tate Gallery confirmed: "On Saturday 4 July 2009, a member of the public removed a box of pencils from the desk in Damien Hirst's installation Pharmacy. The matter is being investigated by the police."
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by schlomo on Sept 4, 2009 10:30:38 GMT 1, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! what a great article, cheers for posting Shauny.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! what a great article, cheers for posting Shauny.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by monkeyballs on Sept 4, 2009 10:32:38 GMT 1,
Anonymity is everything when stealing from museums, how easy was it for them to track him down, art dealer - address. as meerkats say 'simples'
Anonymity is everything when stealing from museums, how easy was it for them to track him down, art dealer - address. as meerkats say 'simples'
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by manchestermike on Sept 4, 2009 10:35:28 GMT 1, Now they know who Cartrain is... and his address... will he be charged with criminal damage for all his graffiti?
Now they know who Cartrain is... and his address... will he be charged with criminal damage for all his graffiti?
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by wizzy on Sept 4, 2009 10:40:56 GMT 1, Britain always favours the underdog, i think Cartrain will come out of this ok.
Britain always favours the underdog, i think Cartrain will come out of this ok.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by monkeyballs on Sept 4, 2009 10:43:26 GMT 1, In all honesty I feel sorry for him, massive backfire of what he probably felt at the time was a funny prank, sadly its gonna be a hard lesson learnt
In all honesty I feel sorry for him, massive backfire of what he probably felt at the time was a funny prank, sadly its gonna be a hard lesson learnt
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by bob1972 on Sept 4, 2009 10:56:53 GMT 1, This is a GREAT lesson......
If you're going to be a REAL vandal, or a REAL criminal you have to be a sneaky cunt, and not try to profit or get glory from your acts, because if you do, you'll GET FUCKED.
Happily Cartrain has no artistic talent and too dumb to get away with his antics/thieving.
MUGHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I read the TOX thread a few months ago, did anyone else remember Cartrain ragging on about TOX being a blatant thief and that no one should support of encourage him?
Cartrain you're a loser and a p*ick, I doubt we'll be hearing much from you again.
This is a GREAT lesson......
If you're going to be a REAL vandal, or a REAL criminal you have to be a sneaky cunt, and not try to profit or get glory from your acts, because if you do, you'll GET FUCKED.
Happily Cartrain has no artistic talent and too dumb to get away with his antics/thieving.
MUGHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I read the TOX thread a few months ago, did anyone else remember Cartrain ragging on about TOX being a blatant thief and that no one should support of encourage him?
Cartrain you're a loser and a p*ick, I doubt we'll be hearing much from you again.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Sept 4, 2009 10:58:24 GMT 1, what to think of this whole thing.. missed it, just been reading 6 pages with the worst comments ever on this forum.. I'm sure in the Netherlands he wouldnt be arrested for this.. and I think thats ok..
stealing is wrong.. is vandalism worse? was it a theft with the intention of making it some kind of art project? Thats not so clear for me.. also with Cartrains comment: "I went there and suddenly had the oppurtunity" (something like that) makes me think he wasnt there to get the pencils. Thats makes it a bit weak for me. but arresting him for this? No..
if it was his intention to make a whole project on this (like he did, when he got the pencils) it has a clever thing.. it points out the 'power' of an artist like Hirst, how far it can spread and the madness that is in what we call art in these days.. that has a point of reflection of the current time... although not executed in the best way if you ask me..
confusing post? yes.. am I confused? for sure..
what to think of this whole thing.. missed it, just been reading 6 pages with the worst comments ever on this forum.. I'm sure in the Netherlands he wouldnt be arrested for this.. and I think thats ok..
stealing is wrong.. is vandalism worse? was it a theft with the intention of making it some kind of art project? Thats not so clear for me.. also with Cartrains comment: "I went there and suddenly had the oppurtunity" (something like that) makes me think he wasnt there to get the pencils. Thats makes it a bit weak for me. but arresting him for this? No..
if it was his intention to make a whole project on this (like he did, when he got the pencils) it has a clever thing.. it points out the 'power' of an artist like Hirst, how far it can spread and the madness that is in what we call art in these days.. that has a point of reflection of the current time... although not executed in the best way if you ask me..
confusing post? yes.. am I confused? for sure..
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by moleman on Sept 4, 2009 11:01:17 GMT 1, Speak no evil and they have nothing. All articles and comments are hear say in court unless you confess. All will be good i love it
Speak no evil and they have nothing. All articles and comments are hear say in court unless you confess. All will be good i love it
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Grafter on Sept 4, 2009 11:03:34 GMT 1, Disputes aside, I'm starting to find myself cheering the lad on from the sidelines....
Hirst needs to grow a pair of nuts, and if he wanted to come out of this with any credibility he could easily of fronted up Mr Train himself and settled this. Better still, he could have developed a sense of humour and laughed it off.
Instead he decides to instruct solicitors and get the Old Bill involved.
To me this is a clear example of money and position in society getting preferential treatment..... Seriously, You try ringing Plod up and telling them some teenager has nicked your pencils and see how many flashing blue lights turn up outside your house.
Good Luck Fella...
Disputes aside, I'm starting to find myself cheering the lad on from the sidelines....
Hirst needs to grow a pair of nuts, and if he wanted to come out of this with any credibility he could easily of fronted up Mr Train himself and settled this. Better still, he could have developed a sense of humour and laughed it off.
Instead he decides to instruct solicitors and get the Old Bill involved.
To me this is a clear example of money and position in society getting preferential treatment..... Seriously, You try ringing Plod up and telling them some teenager has nicked your pencils and see how many flashing blue lights turn up outside your house.
Good Luck Fella...
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by wizzy on Sept 4, 2009 11:06:08 GMT 1, Actually i am sure i was in London that day and to be honest it could have been me who did the deed while i was having a funny turn.
Morning Damien.
Actually i am sure i was in London that day and to be honest it could have been me who did the deed while i was having a funny turn.
Morning Damien.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by They call me Stephen on Sept 4, 2009 11:12:55 GMT 1, how is this thread still going???
how is this thread still going???
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by bazzj04 on Sept 4, 2009 11:21:44 GMT 1, FUNNY STUFF
FUNNY STUFF
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by monkeyballs on Sept 4, 2009 11:28:52 GMT 1, how is this thread still going???
Because he got charged with Β£10,000,000 worth of damages, thats pretty interesting to me.
how is this thread still going??? Because he got charged with Β£10,000,000 worth of damages, thats pretty interesting to me. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by robotbad on Sept 4, 2009 11:33:23 GMT 1, I'd be rooting for the underdog in 99% of cases, butttt
lol
I just can't bring myself to.......care with this one
I'd be rooting for the underdog in 99% of cases, butttt
lol
I just can't bring myself to.......care with this one
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by wizzy on Sept 4, 2009 11:35:14 GMT 1, A condition of the police bail form states he is "Not to post any images, words on any internet forum", is a "Forum" the same as a "Blog"? i dont think it is is it?.
A condition of the police bail form states he is "Not to post any images, words on any internet forum", is a "Forum" the same as a "Blog"? i dont think it is is it?.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by They call me Stephen on Sept 4, 2009 11:35:50 GMT 1, to be fair it is....i haven't read this thread in ages but it looks like it has become interesting...stick it to the man cartrain
to be fair it is....i haven't read this thread in ages but it looks like it has become interesting...stick it to the man cartrain
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by bazzj04 on Sept 4, 2009 11:45:48 GMT 1, Ha i think it is funny all that over some pencils bloody mental . I love it
Ha i think it is funny all that over some pencils bloody mental . I love it
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by curiousgeorge on Sept 4, 2009 12:28:20 GMT 1,
Recently seen bail conditions for real criminals with real victims that make a mockery of our justice system
Not sure if this is doing Hirst public face any favours at all
Recently seen bail conditions for real criminals with real victims that make a mockery of our justice system
Not sure if this is doing Hirst public face any favours at all
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by 13loco on Sept 4, 2009 12:32:12 GMT 1, How do you say in English:
"HIRST ESTΓ HACIENDO EL RIDΓCULO"
How do you say in English: "HIRST ESTΓ HACIENDO EL RIDΓCULO" |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by klyde on Sept 4, 2009 12:45:05 GMT 1,
Haha!
Hirst really is an utter c*nt!
Haha!
Hirst really is an utter c*nt!
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by bob1972 on Sept 4, 2009 13:18:34 GMT 1, If a spotty teenage fuck came to my exhibition and stole part of my installation with the sole purpose of getting famous, I'd have the little cunt arrested.
100 art works, you're a joke as well.
If a spotty teenage fuck came to my exhibition and stole part of my installation with the sole purpose of getting famous, I'd have the little cunt arrested.
100 art works, you're a joke as well.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by spencerlee on Sept 4, 2009 13:19:55 GMT 1, Throw away the key
Throw away the key
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by bazzj04 on Sept 4, 2009 13:21:39 GMT 1, I stole a sketch from banksy show if anyone wants to buy it for loads of cash
I stole a sketch from banksy show if anyone wants to buy it for loads of cash
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by 13loco on Sept 4, 2009 13:29:14 GMT 1, Why Hirst stolen a Cartrain works from 100 Artworks?
That's the clue... maybe Hirst needs some publicity but IMHO If Cartrain is only a "stupid kid" let play alone and forget about it...
Hirst really doesn't need to send people to take "works" from 100 artworks!!!
Why Hirst stolen a Cartrain works from 100 Artworks? That's the clue... maybe Hirst needs some publicity but IMHO If Cartrain is only a "stupid kid" let play alone and forget about it... Hirst really doesn't need to send people to take "works" from 100 artworks!!! |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by schlomo on Sept 4, 2009 13:31:20 GMT 1, If a spotty teenage f**k came to my exhibition and stole part of my installation with the sole purpose of getting famous, I'd have the little c**t arrested. 100 art works, you're a joke as well.
why stop there?? if anything it deserves a hanging, or at least firing squad, or maybe an olde schoole punishment like being pulled apart by wild horses, or fed to ravenous pigs like in that awful sequel to silence of the lambs. Electric chair maybe? are any of these fitting for such a haenous crime? perhaps we should bring back the stocks and we can all go and throw tomatoes at his head in our lunch hours?
If a spotty teenage f**k came to my exhibition and stole part of my installation with the sole purpose of getting famous, I'd have the little c**t arrested. 100 art works, you're a joke as well. why stop there?? if anything it deserves a hanging, or at least firing squad, or maybe an olde schoole punishment like being pulled apart by wild horses, or fed to ravenous pigs like in that awful sequel to silence of the lambs. Electric chair maybe? are any of these fitting for such a haenous crime? perhaps we should bring back the stocks and we can all go and throw tomatoes at his head in our lunch hours? |
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