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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Sept 8, 2009 17:14:12 GMT 1, we will simply ignore it on the grounds of freedom of speech is that the same freedom of speech that has seen many members banned from this site because you didnt like what they said? that quote smacks of hypocrisy, when used by you
Nobody has been banned from this site because I don't like what they say. The people you are talking about were banned because they would not allow others to have opinions different to theirs.
In a similar way you threaten and abuse people who don't share your opinion.
we will simply ignore it on the grounds of freedom of speech is that the same freedom of speech that has seen many members banned from this site because you didnt like what they said? that quote smacks of hypocrisy, when used by you Nobody has been banned from this site because I don't like what they say. The people you are talking about were banned because they would not allow others to have opinions different to theirs. In a similar way you threaten and abuse people who don't share your opinion. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Sept 8, 2009 17:21:31 GMT 1, Stating a fact to you, isnt imagination. Common law is also based on moral responsibility, which you seem to forget you have when you created this site and earn money from
Does Damien Hirst have a moral responsibility as well?
Stating a fact to you, isnt imagination. Common law is also based on moral responsibility, which you seem to forget you have when you created this site and earn money from Does Damien Hirst have a moral responsibility as well? |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by alsbabar on Sept 8, 2009 17:24:00 GMT 1, is that the same freedom of speech that has seen many members banned from this site because you didnt like what they said? that quote smacks of hypocrisy, when used by you Nobody has been banned from this site because I don't like what they say. The people you are talking about were banned because they would not allow others to have opinions different to theirs. In a similar way you threaten and abuse people who don't share your opinion.
so you didnt ban members who said Cartrains works was s**t in the past? Dont say you didnt, because you banned loads of people and myself included for saying just that.
and who exactly have i threatened and with what? Banning them from this site?
Hypocrisy or democracy
is that the same freedom of speech that has seen many members banned from this site because you didnt like what they said? that quote smacks of hypocrisy, when used by you Nobody has been banned from this site because I don't like what they say. The people you are talking about were banned because they would not allow others to have opinions different to theirs. In a similar way you threaten and abuse people who don't share your opinion. so you didnt ban members who said Cartrains works was s**t in the past? Dont say you didnt, because you banned loads of people and myself included for saying just that. and who exactly have i threatened and with what? Banning them from this site? Hypocrisy or democracy |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by bazzj04 on Sept 8, 2009 17:28:57 GMT 1, Stating a fact to you, isnt imagination. Common law is also based on moral responsibility, which you seem to forget you have when you created this site and earn money from Does Damien Hirst have a moral responsibility as well?
That video freaks me a out a little ...
Stating a fact to you, isnt imagination. Common law is also based on moral responsibility, which you seem to forget you have when you created this site and earn money from Does Damien Hirst have a moral responsibility as well? That video freaks me a out a little ... |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by richy00 on Sept 8, 2009 18:01:02 GMT 1, i think its a very interesting situation and to be honest cartrain had an opportunity to do something amazing and inspiring, a david v golaith situation with the biggest name in art..
unfortunately his idea, though it may have first sounded good, took it a little too far and he stole from the beast. now its going to bite him..
Silky has nothing to answer for, he only provides a platform
i honestly reckon he will be charged with theft and he will get a year suspended sentence and a hefty fine + costs. no actual time spent being bummed by big men in jail.
i think its a very interesting situation and to be honest cartrain had an opportunity to do something amazing and inspiring, a david v golaith situation with the biggest name in art..
unfortunately his idea, though it may have first sounded good, took it a little too far and he stole from the beast. now its going to bite him..
Silky has nothing to answer for, he only provides a platform
i honestly reckon he will be charged with theft and he will get a year suspended sentence and a hefty fine + costs. no actual time spent being bummed by big men in jail.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Sept 8, 2009 20:09:01 GMT 1, so you didnt ban members who said Cartrains works was s**t in the past? Dont say you didnt, because you banned loads of people and myself included for saying just that. Hypocrisy or democracy
So who would you say respects other peoples opinion the most -
A person who has setup forums, including this one with over 9,000 members OR people who continually post comments like "It's S**t" about Art that many others love and enjoy.
so you didnt ban members who said Cartrains works was s**t in the past? Dont say you didnt, because you banned loads of people and myself included for saying just that. Hypocrisy or democracy So who would you say respects other peoples opinion the most - A person who has setup forums, including this one with over 9,000 members OR people who continually post comments like "It's S**t" about Art that many others love and enjoy. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by eduarandres on Sept 8, 2009 20:14:40 GMT 1, Come one lets move on ;D je jeje
Come one lets move on ;D je jeje
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Sept 8, 2009 20:27:38 GMT 1, I don't think all this is as serious as its been made out to be in the media  I mean if its really that heavy, would 100Artworks still be selling pieces with Damien Hirst images in? - www.100artworks.com
Surely that would be Hirst's first move to have that art removed.
I don't think all this is as serious as its been made out to be in the media I mean if its really that heavy, would 100Artworks still be selling pieces with Damien Hirst images in? - www.100artworks.com Surely that would be Hirst's first move to have that art removed. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by richy00 on Sept 8, 2009 21:15:47 GMT 1, the theft isnt anything to do with hirst? its the tates work right??
i presume hirst doesnt really give a shit about the pencils since its not his, he made his cash already out of the sale..
the tate does however.
the theft isnt anything to do with hirst? its the tates work right??
i presume hirst doesnt really give a shit about the pencils since its not his, he made his cash already out of the sale..
the tate does however.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Sept 8, 2009 21:20:42 GMT 1, www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/6139138/Charles-Saatchi-Damien-Hirst-is-rather-off-form.html
Charles Saatchi: Damien Hirst is 'rather off-form'
"Asked who was the greater artist, Hirst or the American Jeff Koons, Saatchi, 66, replied: "They both have made so much extraordinary work that their position in the pantheon of greats is assured.
"That said, both of them have been rather off-form for a while and would have done better to show far less from what we will kindly refer to as their midcareer period."
He also remarked that paintings with skulls in them β a central motif in Hirst's work β "put me off."
Asked if artists deserved to be as rich as Damien Hirst, who is said to be worth at least Β£100 million, Saatchi responded: "Only if you think of art as entertainment, in which case his pay scale sits alongside Tiger Woods, Harrison Ford, Roger Federer, Johnny Depp, Madonna and the other superstars."
Two months later Hirst admitted that one of his paintings was "overpriced" and that the fall in prices last autumn was "quite good" because prices "became unreal"."
www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/6139138/Charles-Saatchi-Damien-Hirst-is-rather-off-form.htmlCharles Saatchi: Damien Hirst is 'rather off-form' "Asked who was the greater artist, Hirst or the American Jeff Koons, Saatchi, 66, replied: "They both have made so much extraordinary work that their position in the pantheon of greats is assured. "That said, both of them have been rather off-form for a while and would have done better to show far less from what we will kindly refer to as their midcareer period." He also remarked that paintings with skulls in them β a central motif in Hirst's work β "put me off." Asked if artists deserved to be as rich as Damien Hirst, who is said to be worth at least Β£100 million, Saatchi responded: "Only if you think of art as entertainment, in which case his pay scale sits alongside Tiger Woods, Harrison Ford, Roger Federer, Johnny Depp, Madonna and the other superstars." Two months later Hirst admitted that one of his paintings was "overpriced" and that the fall in prices last autumn was "quite good" because prices "became unreal"."
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by sashaz on Sept 8, 2009 21:26:57 GMT 1, he didnt use his own skull design that he altered but he used the hirst one. So that is where it a problem.
he didnt use his own skull design that he altered but he used the hirst one. So that is where it a problem.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Richard on Sept 8, 2009 21:30:05 GMT 1, Why is this thread going so strong? It's not that interesting!
Why is this thread going so strong? It's not that interesting!
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by robotbad on Sept 8, 2009 21:45:23 GMT 1, because there's so little else happening at the mo
(that'll all change with the upcoming Micallef show)
because there's so little else happening at the mo
(that'll all change with the upcoming Micallef show)
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by dudebro17 on Sept 8, 2009 23:12:02 GMT 1, What a load of bullshit. I cant access my real handle or this forum from my office computer because you banned me for those very reasons. You sir are a liar. I had been an avid contributor since nov 06. When I questioned your tactics and policies publically you banned me, like many, many other valuable members. Fast foward a few years and your forum went from being a resource for collectors to the walmart of street art.
is that the same freedom of speech that has seen many members banned from this site because you didnt like what they said? that quote smacks of hypocrisy, when used by you Nobody has been banned from this site because I don't like what they say. The people you are talking about were banned because they would not allow others to have opinions different to theirs. In a similar way you threaten and abuse people who don't share your opinion.
What a load of bullshit. I cant access my real handle or this forum from my office computer because you banned me for those very reasons. You sir are a liar. I had been an avid contributor since nov 06. When I questioned your tactics and policies publically you banned me, like many, many other valuable members. Fast foward a few years and your forum went from being a resource for collectors to the walmart of street art. is that the same freedom of speech that has seen many members banned from this site because you didnt like what they said? that quote smacks of hypocrisy, when used by you Nobody has been banned from this site because I don't like what they say. The people you are talking about were banned because they would not allow others to have opinions different to theirs. In a similar way you threaten and abuse people who don't share your opinion. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by daz205 on Sept 8, 2009 23:28:18 GMT 1, Shhh! Or this post will be moved to the " forum help how do I " dungeon and I'll miss what happens
if cartrain does get banged up, I guess it'll give him a chance to develop and improve his work.
Shhh! Or this post will be moved to the " forum help how do I " dungeon and I'll miss what happens
if cartrain does get banged up, I guess it'll give him a chance to develop and improve his work.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Deleted on Sept 8, 2009 23:37:15 GMT 1, What a load of bulls**t. I cant access my real handle or this forum from my office computer because you banned me for those very reasons. You sir are a liar. I had been an avid contributor since nov 06. When I questioned your tactics and policies publically you banned me, like many, many other valuable members. Fast foward a few years and your forum went from being a resource for collectors to the walmart of street art. Nobody has been banned from this site because I don't like what they say. The people you are talking about were banned because they would not allow others to have opinions different to theirs. In a similar way you threaten and abuse people who don't share your opinion. 
What a load of bulls**t. I cant access my real handle or this forum from my office computer because you banned me for those very reasons. You sir are a liar. I had been an avid contributor since nov 06. When I questioned your tactics and policies publically you banned me, like many, many other valuable members. Fast foward a few years and your forum went from being a resource for collectors to the walmart of street art. Nobody has been banned from this site because I don't like what they say. The people you are talking about were banned because they would not allow others to have opinions different to theirs. In a similar way you threaten and abuse people who don't share your opinion. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by richy00 on Sept 9, 2009 0:47:18 GMT 1, cartrain is allowed to log on it seams as he logged on today.. i presume he is reading this....
good luck on thursday.. if you need a good lawyer i can recommend a few.. if you get off scott free ill hapily eat my words and buy one of your shite prints.
cartrain is allowed to log on it seams as he logged on today.. i presume he is reading this....
good luck on thursday.. if you need a good lawyer i can recommend a few.. if you get off scott free ill hapily eat my words and buy one of your shite prints.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by mutant on Sept 9, 2009 2:27:06 GMT 1, because there's so little else happening at the mo (that'll all change with the upcoming Micallef show)
And Neate's upcoming show at Elms. I am still hoping somebody who is going to the signing can help me get a signed book.
because there's so little else happening at the mo (that'll all change with the upcoming Micallef show) And Neate's upcoming show at Elms. I am still hoping somebody who is going to the signing can help me get a signed book. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by cashman on Sept 9, 2009 3:19:23 GMT 1, but you are just as culpable silky, firstly for encouraging him to do so, by alllowing him to post his intentions and actions on here, and secondly for allowing his gallerist to promote and cash in on it here also. So you could potentially be cited as an accessory before, during and after the fact "by alllowing him to post his intentions and actions on here" - This is a forum with over 9,000 members, and they are all responsible for their own posts and actions, including you.
Wrong, you ban people for speaking there minds. So in the end it is you that is responsible for what actually makes it onto and stays on your forum
but you are just as culpable silky, firstly for encouraging him to do so, by alllowing him to post his intentions and actions on here, and secondly for allowing his gallerist to promote and cash in on it here also. So you could potentially be cited as an accessory before, during and after the fact "by alllowing him to post his intentions and actions on here" - This is a forum with over 9,000 members, and they are all responsible for their own posts and actions, including you. Wrong, you ban people for speaking there minds. So in the end it is you that is responsible for what actually makes it onto and stays on your forum |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by swamped on Sept 9, 2009 4:12:44 GMT 1, Dont add fuel to this kids prank! It's pathetic that he gets as much attention as he dose, artwork is simple as it gets, and he's trying to make a name for himself off a non important relationship and fued with hirst. Go back to school your late already!! IMO of course...
Dont add fuel to this kids prank! It's pathetic that he gets as much attention as he dose, artwork is simple as it gets, and he's trying to make a name for himself off a non important relationship and fued with hirst. Go back to school your late already!! IMO of course...
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Simococo on Sept 9, 2009 5:16:20 GMT 1, great thread
can't believe the lad winds so many people up
its a gift
some of you need to relax
a lot
great thread
can't believe the lad winds so many people up
its a gift
some of you need to relax
a lot
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by BlightSociety on Sept 9, 2009 6:27:53 GMT 1, This thread is great I could talk about this for hours! I donβt want to just go over what other people have already said so Iβm just gonna stick to things I donβt think have been covered yet.
The Cost of art.
Surely the Hirst exhibit was insured? If it is did the Tate on discovering a part had been stolen attempt to claim the Β£500,000 from the insurer? Or is this figure suddenly been mention now in order to prosecute an individual? The true value of art is pretty relative but an insurance quote is a good enough estimate for legal purposes so it would be good to see exactly how much would have been payed out if the pencils had not been recovered.
Copyrights.
Iβm sure many of the artists who post on this forum have seen cheep imitations of there stuff on ebay and will know how hard it is to make any kind of a claim against the perpetrators. Normaly when you try to fight for your rights as artists your either ignored or treated like a waste of there time. So I have to say I have no love for DACS or any organization like it.
Is it art?
Iβm not a fan of Hirst work and I have no plans to put his or Cartrains stuff up on my wall but the sheer amount of discussion Cartrains actions have generated on this forum proofs, to me at least, heβs an artist in his own right. Anyone who says that it wasnβt art because it was blatantly a shameless act of self promotion needs to go read a book on Andy Warhol.
Personally,
Personally I think the whole gag could have been improved by leaving the stolen pencils in the Tate gift shop with a Β£2.99 price tag on them. Making the Tate sell off there own Β£10,000,000 art exhibit would have said allot more about the true value of art than a ransomβ¦β¦ feel free to use that idea by the way apparently I donβt get any copy rights until Iβm worth over a million.
Free Cartrain!! 
This thread is great I could talk about this for hours! I donβt want to just go over what other people have already said so Iβm just gonna stick to things I donβt think have been covered yet. The Cost of art. Surely the Hirst exhibit was insured? If it is did the Tate on discovering a part had been stolen attempt to claim the Β£500,000 from the insurer? Or is this figure suddenly been mention now in order to prosecute an individual? The true value of art is pretty relative but an insurance quote is a good enough estimate for legal purposes so it would be good to see exactly how much would have been payed out if the pencils had not been recovered. Copyrights.Iβm sure many of the artists who post on this forum have seen cheep imitations of there stuff on ebay and will know how hard it is to make any kind of a claim against the perpetrators. Normaly when you try to fight for your rights as artists your either ignored or treated like a waste of there time. So I have to say I have no love for DACS or any organization like it. Is it art?Iβm not a fan of Hirst work and I have no plans to put his or Cartrains stuff up on my wall but the sheer amount of discussion Cartrains actions have generated on this forum proofs, to me at least, heβs an artist in his own right. Anyone who says that it wasnβt art because it was blatantly a shameless act of self promotion needs to go read a book on Andy Warhol. Personally,Personally I think the whole gag could have been improved by leaving the stolen pencils in the Tate gift shop with a Β£2.99 price tag on them. Making the Tate sell off there own Β£10,000,000 art exhibit would have said allot more about the true value of art than a ransomβ¦β¦ feel free to use that idea by the way apparently I donβt get any copy rights until Iβm worth over a million. Free Cartrain!! |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by moleman on Sept 9, 2009 8:57:37 GMT 1, you will be buying a print because unless they have found said pencils a confession on a forum which could of been done by any one with his log on details is hear say. they would do well to make that stick
you will be buying a print because unless they have found said pencils a confession on a forum which could of been done by any one with his log on details is hear say. they would do well to make that stick
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by imbue on Sept 9, 2009 10:12:16 GMT 1, This whole thing reminds me or something Ricky Gervais said About being famous, its a by-product of doing something good! If you just want fame and to get your name in the paper, rape someone.
Something like that...
This whole thing reminds me or something Ricky Gervais said About being famous, its a by-product of doing something good! If you just want fame and to get your name in the paper, rape someone.
Something like that...
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Guest on Sept 9, 2009 10:21:56 GMT 1, Whats gone on here? cash and richy showing as guests.
and Als and Dudebro17
Whats gone on here? cash and richy showing as guests.
and Als and Dudebro17
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by They call me Stephen on Sept 9, 2009 10:34:03 GMT 1, Whats gone on here? cash and richy showing as guests. and Als and Dudebro17
oh dear...why's this silky??
Whats gone on here? cash and richy showing as guests. and Als and Dudebro17 oh dear...why's this silky?? |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by bazzj04 on Sept 9, 2009 10:42:53 GMT 1, This whole thing reminds me or something Ricky Gervais said About being famous, its a by-product of doing something good! If you just want fame and to get your name in the paper, rape someone. Something like that...
Ha funny ,, I will be famous
This whole thing reminds me or something Ricky Gervais said About being famous, its a by-product of doing something good! If you just want fame and to get your name in the paper, rape someone. Something like that... Ha funny ,, I will be famous |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Simococo on Sept 9, 2009 10:46:52 GMT 1, bantastic
bantastic
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by kennas on Sept 9, 2009 10:51:13 GMT 1, Carnage!
Carnage!
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by notworthit on Sept 9, 2009 11:50:46 GMT 1, Whats gone on here? cash and richy showing as guests. and Als and Dudebro17 oh dear...why's this silky??
Bout bloody time!!!
Whats gone on here? cash and richy showing as guests. and Als and Dudebro17 oh dear...why's this silky?? Bout bloody time!!! |
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I mean if its really that heavy, would 100Artworks still be selling pieces with Damien Hirst images in? - 
