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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by grantb on Jul 20, 2008 17:26:03 GMT 1, his obviously on here.
his obviously on here.
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by doublehelix on Jul 20, 2008 17:33:21 GMT 1, All that talk of Banksy trademarking his name doesn't seem to have had any impact yet on the tidal-wave of knock off Banksy merchandise.
All that talk of Banksy trademarking his name doesn't seem to have had any impact yet on the tidal-wave of knock off Banksy merchandise.
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by grantb on Jul 20, 2008 17:54:48 GMT 1, i know 3 places that sells banksy canvasses, one in cental london between bank and liverpool street, very poor imo .
i know 3 places that sells banksy canvasses, one in cental london between bank and liverpool street, very poor imo .
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by s-editions on Jul 20, 2008 18:26:52 GMT 1, It's not at all legal. If the artists concerned would like to contact us, confirm they own all the intellectual property rights and give us permission to get involved we can stop them for you. We have very good lawyers and we do it for our own artists all the time.
We don't like to see artists getting ripped off by anyone, and it would be our pleasure to help. We will do it for free.
All the best, All @ s-editions
www.s-editions.co.uk
It's not at all legal. If the artists concerned would like to contact us, confirm they own all the intellectual property rights and give us permission to get involved we can stop them for you. We have very good lawyers and we do it for our own artists all the time. We don't like to see artists getting ripped off by anyone, and it would be our pleasure to help. We will do it for free. All the best, All @ s-editions www.s-editions.co.uk
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by stender on Jul 20, 2008 18:29:11 GMT 1, good on ya s-editions!
good on ya s-editions!
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by grantb on Jul 20, 2008 18:31:33 GMT 1, yer was gonna say thats very nice of you s editions. !!
yer was gonna say thats very nice of you s editions. !!
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by Rogue Gallery on Jul 20, 2008 21:28:14 GMT 1, Cheeky sod. Don't know whether to email him, or leave it.
Cheeky sod. Don't know whether to email him, or leave it.
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by low3 on Jul 20, 2008 22:42:17 GMT 1, Go get him Rourke!!!!!!
send the heavies round.....
Go get him Rourke!!!!!!
send the heavies round.....
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by craigf on Jul 21, 2008 8:11:41 GMT 1, I noticed them yesterday after checking Rourke's website and looking to see what was available on the secondry market. Bloody ridiculous when prints of the pieces being knocked off are still available direct from the artist.
Report them to ebay Rourke!
I noticed them yesterday after checking Rourke's website and looking to see what was available on the secondry market. Bloody ridiculous when prints of the pieces being knocked off are still available direct from the artist.
Report them to ebay Rourke!
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by Prescription Art on Jul 21, 2008 13:20:38 GMT 1, Correct me if i'm wrong, but seeing as the Grafter canvas is a photograph of a street piece, is there any legal problem with them selling it?
If I took a photo of a can of coke & sold the photo, would I be breaching copyright?
It's the same with the 'Banksy' canvases sold around town .... since they're photos of street pieces. Now if, as I suspect, the photos are ripped off of flickr, then the guy who took the photo would have a copyright claim, but not Banksy.
I might be completely wrong of course, but it seems to me that when an image is on a wall it's in the public domain.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but seeing as the Grafter canvas is a photograph of a street piece, is there any legal problem with them selling it?
If I took a photo of a can of coke & sold the photo, would I be breaching copyright?
It's the same with the 'Banksy' canvases sold around town .... since they're photos of street pieces. Now if, as I suspect, the photos are ripped off of flickr, then the guy who took the photo would have a copyright claim, but not Banksy.
I might be completely wrong of course, but it seems to me that when an image is on a wall it's in the public domain.
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by orangematt on Jul 21, 2008 13:34:25 GMT 1, Correct me if i'm wrong, but seeing as the Grafter canvas is a photograph of a street piece, is there any legal problem with them selling it? If I took a photo of a can of coke & sold the photo, would I be breaching copyright? It's the same with the 'Banksy' canvases sold around town .... since they're photos of street pieces. Now if, as I suspect, the photos are ripped off of flickr, then the guy who took the photo would have a copyright claim, but not Banksy. I might be completely wrong of course, but it seems to me that when an image is on a wall it's in the public domain.
Yep ! if you take a photo of a street piece you hold the copyright on the photo - you can do what you want with it - blow it up - put it on a canvas - sell it ..
Thats whats happened with the Grafter 'Eskimo' - however that Rourke one looks more like someone photographed the Canvas /Print ( perhaps Rourke can tell? ) - i think this is a greyer area ? but technically i believe it is still 'legal' as long as it is clearly described as 'a photo of' !!! can anyone clarify/affirm/deny that ??
Correct me if i'm wrong, but seeing as the Grafter canvas is a photograph of a street piece, is there any legal problem with them selling it? If I took a photo of a can of coke & sold the photo, would I be breaching copyright? It's the same with the 'Banksy' canvases sold around town .... since they're photos of street pieces. Now if, as I suspect, the photos are ripped off of flickr, then the guy who took the photo would have a copyright claim, but not Banksy. I might be completely wrong of course, but it seems to me that when an image is on a wall it's in the public domain. Yep ! if you take a photo of a street piece you hold the copyright on the photo - you can do what you want with it - blow it up - put it on a canvas - sell it .. Thats whats happened with the Grafter 'Eskimo' - however that Rourke one looks more like someone photographed the Canvas /Print ( perhaps Rourke can tell? ) - i think this is a greyer area ? but technically i believe it is still 'legal' as long as it is clearly described as 'a photo of' !!! can anyone clarify/affirm/deny that ??
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by s-editions on Jul 21, 2008 17:31:13 GMT 1, Correct me if i'm wrong, but seeing as the Grafter canvas is a photograph of a street piece, is there any legal problem with them selling it? If I took a photo of a can of coke & sold the photo, would I be breaching copyright? It's the same with the 'Banksy' canvases sold around town .... since they're photos of street pieces. Now if, as I suspect, the photos are ripped off of flickr, then the guy who took the photo would have a copyright claim, but not Banksy. I might be completely wrong of course, but it seems to me that when an image is on a wall it's in the public domain. Yep ! if you take a photo of a street piece you hold the copyright on the photo - you can do what you want with it - blow it up - put it on a canvas - sell it .. Thats whats happened with the Grafter 'Eskimo' - however that Rourke one looks more like someone photographed the Canvas /Print ( perhaps Rourke can tell? ) - i think this is a greyer area ? but technically i believe it is still 'legal' as long as it is clearly described as 'a photo of' !!! can anyone clarify/affirm/deny that ??
It has been displayed publicly, but that is not the same as being 'rights free' or 'public domain'.
It is true that a photographer holds the rights to a photograph, but the artist holds the rights to the artwork. Who has the greater rights is dependant on the proportion of the photograph that is comprised of the artist's work. In this case it is the entire photograph, and there can be little doubt that the 'worth' of the manufactured object is in the design. The artist therefore has to give permission for it to be sold. The terms of the permission are their business, but we would suggest they ask for a royalty per sale as an absolute minimum.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but seeing as the Grafter canvas is a photograph of a street piece, is there any legal problem with them selling it? If I took a photo of a can of coke & sold the photo, would I be breaching copyright? It's the same with the 'Banksy' canvases sold around town .... since they're photos of street pieces. Now if, as I suspect, the photos are ripped off of flickr, then the guy who took the photo would have a copyright claim, but not Banksy. I might be completely wrong of course, but it seems to me that when an image is on a wall it's in the public domain. Yep ! if you take a photo of a street piece you hold the copyright on the photo - you can do what you want with it - blow it up - put it on a canvas - sell it .. Thats whats happened with the Grafter 'Eskimo' - however that Rourke one looks more like someone photographed the Canvas /Print ( perhaps Rourke can tell? ) - i think this is a greyer area ? but technically i believe it is still 'legal' as long as it is clearly described as 'a photo of' !!! can anyone clarify/affirm/deny that ?? It has been displayed publicly, but that is not the same as being 'rights free' or 'public domain'. It is true that a photographer holds the rights to a photograph, but the artist holds the rights to the artwork. Who has the greater rights is dependant on the proportion of the photograph that is comprised of the artist's work. In this case it is the entire photograph, and there can be little doubt that the 'worth' of the manufactured object is in the design. The artist therefore has to give permission for it to be sold. The terms of the permission are their business, but we would suggest they ask for a royalty per sale as an absolute minimum.
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by Rourke on Jul 21, 2008 17:43:38 GMT 1, Only just caught this thread, love the little girl with flag and ape pieces ;D Will pop over to your site for an update now ;D Only slight question is the right hand on the copper, it doesn't look quite right to me (but then again it would look like a bunch of bananas if I'd done it!)
Thanks mate
Only just caught this thread, love the little girl with flag and ape pieces ;D Will pop over to your site for an update now ;D Only slight question is the right hand on the copper, it doesn't look quite right to me (but then again it would look like a bunch of bananas if I'd done it!) Thanks mate
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by Rourke on Jul 21, 2008 17:45:45 GMT 1, Not on your Nelly.
Not on your Nelly.
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by mcster on Jul 21, 2008 17:50:33 GMT 1, I suppose they are counting on artists that do street work not coming forward as the pieces that are photographed are mostly illegal? Is it worth getting nicked for a lot of criminal damage in order to stop someone making a profit from your work? The question which is the lesser of the two evils?
I wonder how many people actually buy these 'canvas' pieces, personally I would rather suck a tramps foot than have one of those poxy rip-offs on my wall.
I suppose they are counting on artists that do street work not coming forward as the pieces that are photographed are mostly illegal? Is it worth getting nicked for a lot of criminal damage in order to stop someone making a profit from your work? The question which is the lesser of the two evils?
I wonder how many people actually buy these 'canvas' pieces, personally I would rather suck a tramps foot than have one of those poxy rip-offs on my wall.
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by s-editions on Jul 21, 2008 18:07:41 GMT 1, I suppose they are counting on artists that do street work not coming forward as the pieces that are photographed are mostly illegal? Is it worth getting nicked for a lot of criminal damage in order to stop someone making a profit from your work? The question which is the lesser of the two evils?
You have put your finger on why it is a good thing for street artists to have galleries or agents. The artist doesn't have to come forward - the evil parasitic agent who lives off their talent and doesn't do anything positive or useful can deal with it instead.
Hang on, maybe agents and galleries are not evil and parasitic after all...
I suppose they are counting on artists that do street work not coming forward as the pieces that are photographed are mostly illegal? Is it worth getting nicked for a lot of criminal damage in order to stop someone making a profit from your work? The question which is the lesser of the two evils? You have put your finger on why it is a good thing for street artists to have galleries or agents. The artist doesn't have to come forward - the evil parasitic agent who lives off their talent and doesn't do anything positive or useful can deal with it instead. Hang on, maybe agents and galleries are not evil and parasitic after all...
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by mcster on Jul 21, 2008 18:19:49 GMT 1, I suppose they are counting on artists that do street work not coming forward as the pieces that are photographed are mostly illegal? Is it worth getting nicked for a lot of criminal damage in order to stop someone making a profit from your work? The question which is the lesser of the two evils? You have put your finger on why it is a good thing for street artists to have galleries or agents. The artist doesn't have to come forward - the evil parasitic agent who lives off their talent and doesn't do anything positive or useful can deal with it instead. Hang on, maybe agents and galleries are not evil and parasitic after all...
Agreed, although I suppose to have an agent can be viewed by some as selling out? There's a lot of crap thrown at galleries, some fair and some not. Time will tell who were the good and who were the bad guys...
I suppose they are counting on artists that do street work not coming forward as the pieces that are photographed are mostly illegal? Is it worth getting nicked for a lot of criminal damage in order to stop someone making a profit from your work? The question which is the lesser of the two evils? You have put your finger on why it is a good thing for street artists to have galleries or agents. The artist doesn't have to come forward - the evil parasitic agent who lives off their talent and doesn't do anything positive or useful can deal with it instead. Hang on, maybe agents and galleries are not evil and parasitic after all... Agreed, although I suppose to have an agent can be viewed by some as selling out? There's a lot of crap thrown at galleries, some fair and some not. Time will tell who were the good and who were the bad guys...
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by s-editions on Jul 21, 2008 18:23:31 GMT 1, You have put your finger on why it is a good thing for street artists to have galleries or agents. The artist doesn't have to come forward - the evil parasitic agent who lives off their talent and doesn't do anything positive or useful can deal with it instead. Hang on, maybe agents and galleries are not evil and parasitic after all... Agreed, although I suppose to have an agent can be viewed by some as selling out? There's a lot of crap thrown at galleries, some fair and some not. Time will tell who were the good and who were the bad guys...
If an agent prevents an artist's work being ripped off by some chancer on eBay or stops it being used in an advert by an evil multinational corporation it is actually preventing accusations of the artist selling out...
You have put your finger on why it is a good thing for street artists to have galleries or agents. The artist doesn't have to come forward - the evil parasitic agent who lives off their talent and doesn't do anything positive or useful can deal with it instead. Hang on, maybe agents and galleries are not evil and parasitic after all... Agreed, although I suppose to have an agent can be viewed by some as selling out? There's a lot of crap thrown at galleries, some fair and some not. Time will tell who were the good and who were the bad guys... If an agent prevents an artist's work being ripped off by some chancer on eBay or stops it being used in an advert by an evil multinational corporation it is actually preventing accusations of the artist selling out...
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by mcster on Jul 21, 2008 18:33:01 GMT 1, Agreed, although I suppose to have an agent can be viewed by some as selling out? There's a lot of crap thrown at galleries, some fair and some not. Time will tell who were the good and who were the bad guys... If an agent prevents an artist's work being ripped off by some chancer on eBay or stops it being used in an advert by an evil multinational corporation it is actually preventing accusations of the artist selling out...
Agreed 100% - hence my 'viewed by some' comment. I see nothing wrong with someone being able to get on with producing their art and letting someone else take care of the business side.
I'm also sure there are an awful lot of overheads that have to be taken care of that are unseen expenses to us that aren't in the business.
The point I was trying to make (not too well I grant you) is that if an artist concentrates on street work rather than the selling originals / prints, there has to be a shift towards the business side of the err....business, in order to have an agent. I'm quite sure that some artists would view this as selling out as their pieces are for 'the street'.
Agreed, although I suppose to have an agent can be viewed by some as selling out? There's a lot of crap thrown at galleries, some fair and some not. Time will tell who were the good and who were the bad guys... If an agent prevents an artist's work being ripped off by some chancer on eBay or stops it being used in an advert by an evil multinational corporation it is actually preventing accusations of the artist selling out... Agreed 100% - hence my 'viewed by some' comment. I see nothing wrong with someone being able to get on with producing their art and letting someone else take care of the business side. I'm also sure there are an awful lot of overheads that have to be taken care of that are unseen expenses to us that aren't in the business. The point I was trying to make (not too well I grant you) is that if an artist concentrates on street work rather than the selling originals / prints, there has to be a shift towards the business side of the err....business, in order to have an agent. I'm quite sure that some artists would view this as selling out as their pieces are for 'the street'.
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by Dellboyy on Jul 21, 2008 18:36:34 GMT 1, Liking the background again! Definitely gives new life to some of your older images!
Liking the background again! Definitely gives new life to some of your older images!
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by s-editions on Jul 21, 2008 18:46:47 GMT 1, If an agent prevents an artist's work being ripped off by some chancer on eBay or stops it being used in an advert by an evil multinational corporation it is actually preventing accusations of the artist selling out... Agreed 100% - hence my 'viewed by some' comment. I see nothing wrong with someone being able to get on with producing their art and letting someone else take care of the business side. I'm also sure there are an awful lot of overheads that have to be taken care of that are unseen expenses to us that aren't in the business. The point I was trying to make (not too well I grant you) is that if an artist concentrates on street work rather than the selling originals / prints, there has to be a shift towards the business side of the err....business, in order to have an agent. I'm quite sure that some artists would view this as selling out as their pieces are for 'the street'.
Completely agree. In such a case the pieces which are for the street still need protecting, even if the artist produces nothing for sale. There are agents who will look after artists like this. Very few, granted, since there is no money in it - but they do exist. It is how we started in fact. 5 years ago we were looking after dr.d - nothing for sale and absolutely no money in it, since we turned down every advertising commission, offer to publish prints etc. etc.. We only started producing editions relatively recently. Loads of people contacted us and asked us to, so we thought we would give it a go. Other artists apparently liked what we were doing and contacted us, and that is how we grew. It was rather an 'organic' growth and came directly from the street and the fans.
If an agent prevents an artist's work being ripped off by some chancer on eBay or stops it being used in an advert by an evil multinational corporation it is actually preventing accusations of the artist selling out... Agreed 100% - hence my 'viewed by some' comment. I see nothing wrong with someone being able to get on with producing their art and letting someone else take care of the business side. I'm also sure there are an awful lot of overheads that have to be taken care of that are unseen expenses to us that aren't in the business. The point I was trying to make (not too well I grant you) is that if an artist concentrates on street work rather than the selling originals / prints, there has to be a shift towards the business side of the err....business, in order to have an agent. I'm quite sure that some artists would view this as selling out as their pieces are for 'the street'. Completely agree. In such a case the pieces which are for the street still need protecting, even if the artist produces nothing for sale. There are agents who will look after artists like this. Very few, granted, since there is no money in it - but they do exist. It is how we started in fact. 5 years ago we were looking after dr.d - nothing for sale and absolutely no money in it, since we turned down every advertising commission, offer to publish prints etc. etc.. We only started producing editions relatively recently. Loads of people contacted us and asked us to, so we thought we would give it a go. Other artists apparently liked what we were doing and contacted us, and that is how we grew. It was rather an 'organic' growth and came directly from the street and the fans.
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by doughy on Jul 21, 2008 21:01:53 GMT 1, To any casual buyer, the info that they have posted clearly to me gives the impression they created the image, and it is theirs. Describing the company, their work, their service!
This description is clearly misleading and false, and intelectual theft.
Cheeky bleeders, sue 'em for all they have !!!!
To any casual buyer, the info that they have posted clearly to me gives the impression they created the image, and it is theirs. Describing the company, their work, their service!
This description is clearly misleading and false, and intelectual theft.
Cheeky bleeders, sue 'em for all they have !!!!
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by Rourke on Jul 21, 2008 22:30:48 GMT 1, Thanks mate, I love doing the backgrounds. Want to try and develop it a bit more. And the freehand stuff as well. Need to get into the painting
Thanks mate, I love doing the backgrounds. Want to try and develop it a bit more. And the freehand stuff as well. Need to get into the painting
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by locko on Jul 21, 2008 23:17:15 GMT 1, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
JUST FELL ASLEEP
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
JUST FELL ASLEEP
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by timba82 on Jul 22, 2008 10:09:17 GMT 1, that ape is the nads mate....if only i had some ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ
that ape is the nads mate....if only i had some ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by Rourke on Jul 22, 2008 20:27:42 GMT 1, that ape is the nads mate....if only i had some ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ
Cheers mate, will be doing a 1 coulour one
that ape is the nads mate....if only i had some ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ Cheers mate, will be doing a 1 coulour one
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by timba82 on Jul 22, 2008 22:59:17 GMT 1, would also be interested in getting one of your 'last bus home prints'......anyone wana part with theirs??
would also be interested in getting one of your 'last bus home prints'......anyone wana part with theirs? ?
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by burnz on Jul 22, 2008 23:02:20 GMT 1, Peace of Angel Pie 1 Colour Stencil, Emulsion Background on Hardboard. These will be cheaper than the more complicated stencils. Affordable Art? I wanna have a mixed bag on the Vandalart website. With Sprayed stencils ranging from ยฃ225 upwards, depending how complicated they are. Give a chance for those who are watching the pennies, to own some spraywork. They might even be some cheaper ones later, so keep your eye out Cheers
hey man been waiting for this for over a year now and my scally wags when can i pick um up safe burn..
Peace of Angel Pie 1 Colour Stencil, Emulsion Background on Hardboard. These will be cheaper than the more complicated stencils. Affordable Art? I wanna have a mixed bag on the Vandalart website. With Sprayed stencils ranging from ยฃ225 upwards, depending how complicated they are. Give a chance for those who are watching the pennies, to own some spraywork. They might even be some cheaper ones later, so keep your eye out Cheers hey man been waiting for this for over a year now and my scally wags when can i pick um up safe burn..
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by burnz on Jul 22, 2008 23:16:52 GMT 1,
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Craig Everett ๐ฌ๐ง Rourke Van Dal โข Urban Artist, by Rourke on Jul 23, 2008 9:48:11 GMT 1, Like I have said mate, The Angel Pie Canvas, is here waiting for you. Contact me when you want to pick it up. Scallywag canvases arent available yet.
Get intouch Burn.
Cheer Rourke
Like I have said mate, The Angel Pie Canvas, is here waiting for you. Contact me when you want to pick it up. Scallywag canvases arent available yet.
Get intouch Burn.
Cheer Rourke
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