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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Dice on Apr 18, 2012 15:24:24 GMT 1, Anyone got a link to a pic of the cctv birds for interests sake? Never come across it before and couldn't find anything on google.
Anyone got a link to a pic of the cctv birds for interests sake? Never come across it before and couldn't find anything on google.
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by boatyyy on Apr 18, 2012 15:36:35 GMT 1, hmmm... well, may depend on what you're into... i've had interest in banksy stuff as i see the artist as a 'thought leader' in the art world... don't quite understand what the artist was experiencing and/or commenting on with pieces like Flower Thrower - but as someone who is really interested in political, social, economic sort of issues etc - i've gravitated to pieces like NOLA, Barcode and many others etc... but 12k is alot of money, i would go signed banksy prints, at a minimum, at this early stage in the banksy collection point - think the longer term value prospects may be good... but, then again, i ain't that smart about art, and this is probably yet another useless post...
hmmm... well, may depend on what you're into... i've had interest in banksy stuff as i see the artist as a 'thought leader' in the art world... don't quite understand what the artist was experiencing and/or commenting on with pieces like Flower Thrower - but as someone who is really interested in political, social, economic sort of issues etc - i've gravitated to pieces like NOLA, Barcode and many others etc... but 12k is alot of money, i would go signed banksy prints, at a minimum, at this early stage in the banksy collection point - think the longer term value prospects may be good... but, then again, i ain't that smart about art, and this is probably yet another useless post...
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by primetime on Apr 20, 2012 5:27:45 GMT 1, 38 posts in a day and then all of a sudden silence. Did everybody go out looking for a 15K, i mean "20somethingK" canvas.
38 posts in a day and then all of a sudden silence. Did everybody go out looking for a 15K, i mean "20somethingK" canvas.
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Phear Loathing on Apr 20, 2012 7:33:54 GMT 1, I have a hard time with Banksy pieces in general. My dillema is buy the unsigned ones that you really enjoy the image of ( for me right now Happy Coppers, Barcode I would be after) or buy a signed piece that you don't like the image as much (still enjoy the image, just not as much)
I know signed will be best for the future, but it's a lot of cash for a sig.
Or buy OGs of lesser known artists where you love the piece, but you know the investment value just isn't ever going to be as good as it is with Banksy.
In the end so far I have a couple u/s banksy's and a rediculous amount of Miss Bugs ( many OGs) So I guess you can see how I have chosen for the most part
I have a hard time with Banksy pieces in general. My dillema is buy the unsigned ones that you really enjoy the image of ( for me right now Happy Coppers, Barcode I would be after) or buy a signed piece that you don't like the image as much (still enjoy the image, just not as much)
I know signed will be best for the future, but it's a lot of cash for a sig.
Or buy OGs of lesser known artists where you love the piece, but you know the investment value just isn't ever going to be as good as it is with Banksy.
In the end so far I have a couple u/s banksy's and a rediculous amount of Miss Bugs ( many OGs) So I guess you can see how I have chosen for the most part
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by G-Man on Apr 20, 2012 8:43:46 GMT 1, I think that its all been said, but I agree with people who have said signed prints, ยฃ15k isn't gonna buy you much og from Banksy these days... Why not go for Radar Rat great compromise between OG and print, my dream Banksy!
Let us know what you decide on?
I think that its all been said, but I agree with people who have said signed prints, ยฃ15k isn't gonna buy you much og from Banksy these days... Why not go for Radar Rat great compromise between OG and print, my dream Banksy!
Let us know what you decide on?
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Dice on Apr 20, 2012 12:34:55 GMT 1, Cheers guys, this is a long term thing interesting to hear coments on the investment side. Reckon signed is better for the very long term but then by the time I have the money together prices will have undoubtedly gone up again *sigh*.
I did come across a few really nice rare prints on paper from Laz. They were 15-20k but included a few one-offs like CCCP Flower Thrower, Barcode AP on smaller sheet of paper (think someone on here bought that!) and a few other bits and bobs including a one off flying copper with a pink face (VERY VERY NICE). I guess these don't count as originals as they one off screenprints, I wonder if they would represent a better investment than buying from the signed series. In any case they will probably seem cheap in few years and we'll all be going on about how we missed the boat again.
Anyway its nice to dream.....
Cheers guys, this is a long term thing interesting to hear coments on the investment side. Reckon signed is better for the very long term but then by the time I have the money together prices will have undoubtedly gone up again *sigh*.
I did come across a few really nice rare prints on paper from Laz. They were 15-20k but included a few one-offs like CCCP Flower Thrower, Barcode AP on smaller sheet of paper (think someone on here bought that!) and a few other bits and bobs including a one off flying copper with a pink face (VERY VERY NICE). I guess these don't count as originals as they one off screenprints, I wonder if they would represent a better investment than buying from the signed series. In any case they will probably seem cheap in few years and we'll all be going on about how we missed the boat again.
Anyway its nice to dream.....
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Pipes on Dec 7, 2017 3:46:38 GMT 1, A purely hypothetical question Ive been pondering for a while would be Good to hear some other opinions! Let's say you were a fan of pre LA banksy prints. Let's also say you had ยฃ12k to spend and wanted some nice banksy art but you also wanted to make a good investment. For that money you could get a signed barcode, signed Love is in the air, or maybe a signed rude copper, three of the most highly sought after signed prints. Or you could get unsigned Flower Thrower (2.5k), barcode (2k), Girl with balloon (4k), bomb hugger (2k) and have change or throw an unsigned rude copper in (5k) with LIITA and Girl With Balloon for example. I would rather have more unsigned prints than one signed but which investment would be worth more in say 10 years time? Dice - how does signed/unsigned compare 1/2 way through the 10 years?
A purely hypothetical question Ive been pondering for a while would be Good to hear some other opinions! Let's say you were a fan of pre LA banksy prints. Let's also say you had ยฃ12k to spend and wanted some nice banksy art but you also wanted to make a good investment. For that money you could get a signed barcode, signed Love is in the air, or maybe a signed rude copper, three of the most highly sought after signed prints. Or you could get unsigned Flower Thrower (2.5k), barcode (2k), Girl with balloon (4k), bomb hugger (2k) and have change or throw an unsigned rude copper in (5k) with LIITA and Girl With Balloon for example. I would rather have more unsigned prints than one signed but which investment would be worth more in say 10 years time? Dice - how does signed/unsigned compare 1/2 way through the 10 years?
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Laugh Now 10 on Dec 7, 2017 3:51:25 GMT 1, the monetary distance between signed and unsigned Banksy editions continues to get wider and wider - my advice is to aggregate any unsigned pieces you may own, liquidate them, and use those funds towards acquiring a signed print - this is not rocket science - Iโm sure others would concur
the monetary distance between signed and unsigned Banksy editions continues to get wider and wider - my advice is to aggregate any unsigned pieces you may own, liquidate them, and use those funds towards acquiring a signed print - this is not rocket science - Iโm sure others would concur
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Pipes on Dec 7, 2017 4:03:55 GMT 1, the monetary distance between signed and unsigned Banksy editions continues to get wider and wider - my advice is to aggregate any unsigned pieces you may own, liquidate them, and use those funds towards acquiring a signed print - this is not rocket science - Iโm sure others would concur If the original post from 2012 was questioning buy ONE signed print or multiple unsigned - then the unsigned would now be worth more. Mainly because of GWB.
So thats why I thought it was interesting - because it went against my initial reaction of "buy signed".
2017 scenario is a different matter
the monetary distance between signed and unsigned Banksy editions continues to get wider and wider - my advice is to aggregate any unsigned pieces you may own, liquidate them, and use those funds towards acquiring a signed print - this is not rocket science - Iโm sure others would concur If the original post from 2012 was questioning buy ONE signed print or multiple unsigned - then the unsigned would now be worth more. Mainly because of GWB. So thats why I thought it was interesting - because it went against my initial reaction of "buy signed". 2017 scenario is a different matter
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by touchdowntodd on Dec 7, 2017 4:08:17 GMT 1, the monetary distance between signed and unsigned Banksy editions continues to get wider and wider - my advice is to aggregate any unsigned pieces you may own, liquidate them, and use those funds towards acquiring a signed print - this is not rocket science - Iโm sure others would concur
As the signed market prices out all but the wealthy, I forsee the unsigned market getting stronger in all honesty. We already see a lot going at 10k+ usd that were 5-6k less tHan a year ago.
Obviously signed will only grow (altho some I know couldn't care less if signed, as we will likely never know either the truth, nor if the "main man" even signed these. Could always be Eine or someone else. .
But as signed go 20-100k, imho this prices out a lot of potential collectors. . I think we will see unsigned market grow, and the better images hitting 17-20k even unsigned within 3 years. . Ofcourse signed will rise to. But, in some instances I'd rather own a few unsigned than 1 signed. A few of the 35-40kusd signed prints can be had around 12k unsigned. 3 of those may "out grow" the 1 signed, or at least keep up. . And a 20k piece is easier to move than an 60k piece. Plus you could sell 2 and continue to enjoy 1 lol
No expert, not claiming to be. . I just v sincerely think the overall unsigned market is growing as more young,more middle class collectors join the party. Look at record covers and even posters. Crazy growth because of the entry point
the monetary distance between signed and unsigned Banksy editions continues to get wider and wider - my advice is to aggregate any unsigned pieces you may own, liquidate them, and use those funds towards acquiring a signed print - this is not rocket science - Iโm sure others would concur As the signed market prices out all but the wealthy, I forsee the unsigned market getting stronger in all honesty. We already see a lot going at 10k+ usd that were 5-6k less tHan a year ago. Obviously signed will only grow (altho some I know couldn't care less if signed, as we will likely never know either the truth, nor if the "main man" even signed these. Could always be Eine or someone else. . But as signed go 20-100k, imho this prices out a lot of potential collectors. . I think we will see unsigned market grow, and the better images hitting 17-20k even unsigned within 3 years. . Ofcourse signed will rise to. But, in some instances I'd rather own a few unsigned than 1 signed. A few of the 35-40kusd signed prints can be had around 12k unsigned. 3 of those may "out grow" the 1 signed, or at least keep up. . And a 20k piece is easier to move than an 60k piece. Plus you could sell 2 and continue to enjoy 1 lol No expert, not claiming to be. . I just v sincerely think the overall unsigned market is growing as more young,more middle class collectors join the party. Look at record covers and even posters. Crazy growth because of the entry point
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by crashwilliams on Dec 7, 2017 7:29:06 GMT 1, Interesting comments and it's something ive been thinking about for a little while now, mostly cause ive no wall space left! Ive several pieces by other artisits (vhils, dface, faile, tom french, micallef, neate) plus TM, Grannies and Applause - MQ signed.
Im starting to think about consolidating all of it and going for one, possibly two signed pieces - which though!?
Interesting comments and it's something ive been thinking about for a little while now, mostly cause ive no wall space left! Ive several pieces by other artisits (vhils, dface, faile, tom french, micallef, neate) plus TM, Grannies and Applause - MQ signed.
Im starting to think about consolidating all of it and going for one, possibly two signed pieces - which though!?
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Quinnster on Dec 7, 2017 7:44:06 GMT 1, With multiple unsigned to have the option of selling one if you need to.
With multiple unsigned to have the option of selling one if you need to.
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 7:45:15 GMT 1, IMO and I think a lot will disagree with me, is that for u/s prints the equaliser is the PC COA.
I'm not saying that there is a direct comparison but the PC COA for u/s prints stands for a lot.
The u/s is very undervalued at present and will only rise.
IMO and I think a lot will disagree with me, is that for u/s prints the equaliser is the PC COA.
I'm not saying that there is a direct comparison but the PC COA for u/s prints stands for a lot.
The u/s is very undervalued at present and will only rise.
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Snakes on Dec 7, 2017 9:12:22 GMT 1, I am just hoping the WCP does a black and white trolley hunters as then I can go and sell my U/S one
I am just hoping the WCP does a black and white trolley hunters as then I can go and sell my U/S one
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by matgab on Dec 7, 2017 10:49:54 GMT 1, I am just hoping the WCP does a black and white trolley hunters as then I can go and sell my U/S one What about that ?
Thing there is still some signed trolleys ? New edition ?
Trolleys is one of my dreamy one, even if its a bit big... LA edition maybe smaller.
I am just hoping the WCP does a black and white trolley hunters as then I can go and sell my U/S one What about that ? Thing there is still some signed trolleys ? New edition ? Trolleys is one of my dreamy one, even if its a bit big... LA edition maybe smaller.
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Dec 7, 2017 11:17:45 GMT 1, I own a donut and have thought in the past of selling it, buying a black and white unsigned trolleys (my second favourite image), then I'd have money over to buy more art, one or two originals I'd appreciate more.
I own a donut and have thought in the past of selling it, buying a black and white unsigned trolleys (my second favourite image), then I'd have money over to buy more art, one or two originals I'd appreciate more.
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Brushstrokes 75 on Dec 7, 2017 23:15:50 GMT 1, Alright, i'll give my 2 cents (as an art professional).
This is regardless of Banksy per se.
In terms of valuation and future increase in value, it will in 99% grow as such (apart from certain outliers) : - Original work - Signed print - Unsigned Print
Original works with always gain more value over time. I'll give you an example :
I kow of a small nara painting that was purchased in 99, it was bought directly through the gallery for about $10k. Price of this painting now (and sold) $1 million. At the same time, the prints were probably a few hundred bucks.
There is an unsigned print (ed of 500) that was released in 08 for $500 (maybe $800) I think which used to sell now around $7/8k.
Afterwards, there are obviously more factors such as size (the bigger the better) / the edition size (unique, small edition vs bigger one), year (early is not always better and late is not always better either, there are sweet spots) and obviously the subject (gwrb vs toxic mary for instance or even a cwsb). [the attractivity of the subject can also evolve other time]
And honestly this is a pretty standard thing around for 99% of the market.
So if you're thinking in terms of investment, it's better to go original first, then signed limited, then unsigned/larger edition.
An interesting thought and just my opinion (i mentionned it a few times before) :
[Disclaimer I do not own any work by Mr Bs anymore. I sold everything before the price hike (and no I don't have sour grapes because of it)]
you usually as well have a clear pretty important median price multipler marks between all classes of art (obviously taking away the outliers poor canvas vs best print etc). The only "niche" I don't really see that applied (in terms of percentage mark and relativity) is street art especially Mr B.
As much as his prints value multiplied exponentially, his OGs didn't have the same multiplier. I remember paranoid ed of 30 used to sell for around 20k when most signed were 3.5. I might be wrong but not sure that they sell now for 250k (probably around 80/100?). This usually works the other way around. In traditional art market, apart from outliers, you would have prices more like (pure speculation and just in terms of ratio) signed prints from 3.5k then to 8/12k now , canvas 25k then to 100/130k (maybe even more).
I m making up prices to illustrate as i haven't really followed banksy's market closely to pull out accurate data.
Most unsigned sell for 6 to 14k gbp (apart from outliers like kate or gwrb) Signed prints from 20k to 35k originals 60k to 300k (i'm also taking out massive outliers here)
If you take like nara (to stay contemporary) for example you re gonna have : unsigned 3k- 7k signed 8k to 16k drawing 50k to 150k paintings (right now probably) 400k-1.5m
If you look in terms of ratio it's way more spaced out. Afterwards, don't come out at me as I just said I didn't take accurate data (but I could do that though)
So technically, at of now, his print are ever overvalued or his canvases undervalued, depending on the way you look at it. Not in term of their current actual price but related to each other around the different art classes.
Obviously, all is relative and there are a lot of parameters.
Alright, i'll give my 2 cents (as an art professional).
This is regardless of Banksy per se.
In terms of valuation and future increase in value, it will in 99% grow as such (apart from certain outliers) : - Original work - Signed print - Unsigned Print
Original works with always gain more value over time. I'll give you an example :
I kow of a small nara painting that was purchased in 99, it was bought directly through the gallery for about $10k. Price of this painting now (and sold) $1 million. At the same time, the prints were probably a few hundred bucks.
There is an unsigned print (ed of 500) that was released in 08 for $500 (maybe $800) I think which used to sell now around $7/8k.
Afterwards, there are obviously more factors such as size (the bigger the better) / the edition size (unique, small edition vs bigger one), year (early is not always better and late is not always better either, there are sweet spots) and obviously the subject (gwrb vs toxic mary for instance or even a cwsb). [the attractivity of the subject can also evolve other time]
And honestly this is a pretty standard thing around for 99% of the market.
So if you're thinking in terms of investment, it's better to go original first, then signed limited, then unsigned/larger edition.
An interesting thought and just my opinion (i mentionned it a few times before) :
[Disclaimer I do not own any work by Mr Bs anymore. I sold everything before the price hike (and no I don't have sour grapes because of it)]
you usually as well have a clear pretty important median price multipler marks between all classes of art (obviously taking away the outliers poor canvas vs best print etc). The only "niche" I don't really see that applied (in terms of percentage mark and relativity) is street art especially Mr B.
As much as his prints value multiplied exponentially, his OGs didn't have the same multiplier. I remember paranoid ed of 30 used to sell for around 20k when most signed were 3.5. I might be wrong but not sure that they sell now for 250k (probably around 80/100?). This usually works the other way around. In traditional art market, apart from outliers, you would have prices more like (pure speculation and just in terms of ratio) signed prints from 3.5k then to 8/12k now , canvas 25k then to 100/130k (maybe even more).
I m making up prices to illustrate as i haven't really followed banksy's market closely to pull out accurate data.
Most unsigned sell for 6 to 14k gbp (apart from outliers like kate or gwrb) Signed prints from 20k to 35k originals 60k to 300k (i'm also taking out massive outliers here)
If you take like nara (to stay contemporary) for example you re gonna have : unsigned 3k- 7k signed 8k to 16k drawing 50k to 150k paintings (right now probably) 400k-1.5m
If you look in terms of ratio it's way more spaced out. Afterwards, don't come out at me as I just said I didn't take accurate data (but I could do that though)
So technically, at of now, his print are ever overvalued or his canvases undervalued, depending on the way you look at it. Not in term of their current actual price but related to each other around the different art classes.
Obviously, all is relative and there are a lot of parameters.
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 23:34:56 GMT 1, If you are able to consider spending 5 figures on art for goodness sake buy some new stuff by someone relatively unknown, have some fun choosing and give some encouragement to a young artist. (lots of artists!)...Dont forget what all this is about... money? Investments? portfolios?
If you are able to consider spending 5 figures on art for goodness sake buy some new stuff by someone relatively unknown, have some fun choosing and give some encouragement to a young artist. (lots of artists!)...Dont forget what all this is about... money? Investments? portfolios?
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by andyb on Dec 15, 2017 20:23:26 GMT 1, Interesting post Agreeing with Bren but with the added thought that is there a better print signed, unsigned or original that the majority would prefer to hang on their wall than a Banksy ? Its whether any are within budget! Merry Christmas!!!
Interesting post Agreeing with Bren but with the added thought that is there a better print signed, unsigned or original that the majority would prefer to hang on their wall than a Banksy ? Its whether any are within budget! Merry Christmas!!!
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Phear Loathing on Dec 16, 2017 5:44:57 GMT 1, I have a hard time with Banksy pieces in general. My dillema is buy the unsigned ones that you really enjoy the image of ( for me right now Happy Coppers, Barcode I would be after) or buy a signed piece that you don't like the image as much (still enjoy the image, just not as much) I know signed will be best for the future, but it's a lot of cash for a sig. Or buy OGs of lesser known artists where you love the piece, but you know the investment value just isn't ever going to be as good as it is with Banksy. In the end so far I have a couple u/s banksy's and a rediculous amount of Miss Bugs ( many OGs) So I guess you can see how I have chosen for the most part
Dear 2012 phearloathing,
Good job. You stopped buying most everything , but Banksy. Please continue down this path for the next 5 years and we will check back. Also... call your mum.
I have a hard time with Banksy pieces in general. My dillema is buy the unsigned ones that you really enjoy the image of ( for me right now Happy Coppers, Barcode I would be after) or buy a signed piece that you don't like the image as much (still enjoy the image, just not as much) I know signed will be best for the future, but it's a lot of cash for a sig. Or buy OGs of lesser known artists where you love the piece, but you know the investment value just isn't ever going to be as good as it is with Banksy. In the end so far I have a couple u/s banksy's and a rediculous amount of Miss Bugs ( many OGs) So I guess you can see how I have chosen for the most part Dear 2012 phearloathing, Good job. You stopped buying most everything , but Banksy. Please continue down this path for the next 5 years and we will check back. Also... call your mum.
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Brittany's Urban on Oct 31, 2020 13:48:39 GMT 1, if you want a guaranteed investment spend your ยฃ12k on gold. not art. in 10 years time you will be laughing to the banks not banksy
Funny to read 8 years later ๐
if you want a guaranteed investment spend your ยฃ12k on gold. not art. in 10 years time you will be laughing to the banks not banksy Funny to read 8 years later ๐
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by tab1 on Oct 31, 2020 14:04:27 GMT 1, Personally, if there is a signed version I will always go for that. I never buy unsigned pieces, unless there isn't a signed option. In the future, I can't see the unsigned being worth much more than they are now (could be completely wrong). The signed on the other hand, I'd say for 'investment' purposes, and to hold value their value is the best route to take. However, if you are really looking 10-20 years down the line... keep the 12k, and try and get enough together for a Banksy canvas. That's where the real money will be.
2k spent on unsigned in this period is potentially over ยฃ130000 now ๐ฎ
Personally, if there is a signed version I will always go for that. I never buy unsigned pieces, unless there isn't a signed option. In the future, I can't see the unsigned being worth much more than they are now (could be completely wrong). The signed on the other hand, I'd say for 'investment' purposes, and to hold value their value is the best route to take. However, if you are really looking 10-20 years down the line... keep the 12k, and try and get enough together for a Banksy canvas. That's where the real money will be. 2k spent on unsigned in this period is potentially over ยฃ130000 now ๐ฎ
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by tab1 on Oct 31, 2020 14:12:26 GMT 1, I personally wouldn't buy an unsigned print given the amount of almost perfect replicas outy there. I also can't see any reason why they would ever be any more valuable in real terms than they are now. I.e. we have already had all the interest from USA etc. and credit is never going to get more freely available/cheaper than it was over the past few years (I think a lot of Banksy economic demand has been driven by young guys having access to cheap credit cards/loans etc.)
Same scenario with the gdp posters now
I personally wouldn't buy an unsigned print given the amount of almost perfect replicas outy there. I also can't see any reason why they would ever be any more valuable in real terms than they are now. I.e. we have already had all the interest from USA etc. and credit is never going to get more freely available/cheaper than it was over the past few years (I think a lot of Banksy economic demand has been driven by young guys having access to cheap credit cards/loans etc.) Same scenario with the gdp posters now
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Mass on Oct 31, 2020 14:16:26 GMT 1, if you want a guaranteed investment spend your ยฃ12k on gold. not art. in 10 years time you will be laughing to the banks not banksy Funny to read 8 years later ๐
brilliant. Itโs great to read the old posts but also leaves that feeling of it only!!
if you want a guaranteed investment spend your ยฃ12k on gold. not art. in 10 years time you will be laughing to the banks not banksy Funny to read 8 years later ๐
brilliant. Itโs great to read the old posts but also leaves that feeling of it only!!
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Pipes on Oct 31, 2020 14:22:53 GMT 1, I have a hard time with Banksy pieces in general. My dillema is buy the unsigned ones that you really enjoy the image of ( for me right now Happy Coppers, Barcode I would be after) or buy a signed piece that you don't like the image as much (still enjoy the image, just not as much) I know signed will be best for the future, but it's a lot of cash for a sig. Or buy OGs of lesser known artists where you love the piece, but you know the investment value just isn't ever going to be as good as it is with Banksy. In the end so far I have a couple u/s banksy's and a rediculous amount of Miss Bugs ( many OGs) So I guess you can see how I have chosen for the most part Dear 2012 phearloathing, Good job. You stopped buying most everything , but Banksy. Please continue down this path for the next 5 years and we will check back. Also... call your mum.
2017 phearloathing
Did you call your mum?
I have a hard time with Banksy pieces in general. My dillema is buy the unsigned ones that you really enjoy the image of ( for me right now Happy Coppers, Barcode I would be after) or buy a signed piece that you don't like the image as much (still enjoy the image, just not as much) I know signed will be best for the future, but it's a lot of cash for a sig. Or buy OGs of lesser known artists where you love the piece, but you know the investment value just isn't ever going to be as good as it is with Banksy. In the end so far I have a couple u/s banksy's and a rediculous amount of Miss Bugs ( many OGs) So I guess you can see how I have chosen for the most part Dear 2012 phearloathing, Good job. You stopped buying most everything , but Banksy. Please continue down this path for the next 5 years and we will check back. Also... call your mum. 2017 phearloathing Did you call your mum?
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Dice
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October 2011
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by Dice on Oct 31, 2020 14:27:17 GMT 1, The days when laz had incredible AP prints for like 15k.
Seemed incredibly expensive at the time!
Hindsight hey
The days when laz had incredible AP prints for like 15k.
Seemed incredibly expensive at the time!
Hindsight hey
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chefd
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March 2017
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by chefd on Oct 31, 2020 14:58:30 GMT 1, I personally wouldn't buy an unsigned print given the amount of almost perfect replicas outy there. I also can't see any reason why they would ever be any more valuable in real terms than they are now. I.e. we have already had all the interest from USA etc. and credit is never going to get more freely available/cheaper than it was over the past few years (I think a lot of Banksy economic demand has been driven by young guys having access to cheap credit cards/loans etc.) Same scenario with the gdp posters now It's not though is it.... GDP posters won't be getting a COA at any point.
Thats a HUUUUUUUUUGE difference.
I personally wouldn't buy an unsigned print given the amount of almost perfect replicas outy there. I also can't see any reason why they would ever be any more valuable in real terms than they are now. I.e. we have already had all the interest from USA etc. and credit is never going to get more freely available/cheaper than it was over the past few years (I think a lot of Banksy economic demand has been driven by young guys having access to cheap credit cards/loans etc.) Same scenario with the gdp posters now It's not though is it.... GDP posters won't be getting a COA at any point. Thats a HUUUUUUUUUGE difference.
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tab1
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September 2011
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by tab1 on Oct 31, 2020 15:20:39 GMT 1, Same scenario with the gdp posters now It's not though is it.... GDP posters won't be getting a COA at any point. Thats a HUUUUUUUUUGE difference.
Wonโt make a difference , people buying the gdp posters generally canโt afford 30k+ for an unsigned print
There is another thread someone has just found out about dismaland gift prints and willing to pay ยฃ20k+ without any knowledge of the print . Laz selling stickers for 2k+ , unauthorized records for 2k+ , not everyone is following logic
Same scenario with the gdp posters now It's not though is it.... GDP posters won't be getting a COA at any point. Thats a HUUUUUUUUUGE difference. Wonโt make a difference , people buying the gdp posters generally canโt afford 30k+ for an unsigned print There is another thread someone has just found out about dismaland gift prints and willing to pay ยฃ20k+ without any knowledge of the print . Laz selling stickers for 2k+ , unauthorized records for 2k+ , not everyone is following logic
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25127096
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December 2013
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Banksy Investment - Signed vs Unsigned?, by 25127096 on Oct 31, 2020 17:15:50 GMT 1, Same scenario with the gdp posters now It's not though is it.... GDP posters won't be getting a COA at any point. Thats a HUUUUUUUUUGE difference. Itโs a difference, but they are 1/4-1/5 of the price of the worst unsigned editions. Iโd agree with a huge difference, IF the GDP Screen prints where the same price as the unsigned but they are not. They are throw away sheets from an edition that sells for ยฃ200k plus. ยฃ6-7k in comparison doesnโt seem that bad IMO.
Same scenario with the gdp posters now It's not though is it.... GDP posters won't be getting a COA at any point. Thats a HUUUUUUUUUGE difference. Itโs a difference, but they are 1/4-1/5 of the price of the worst unsigned editions. Iโd agree with a huge difference, IF the GDP Screen prints where the same price as the unsigned but they are not. They are throw away sheets from an edition that sells for ยฃ200k plus. ยฃ6-7k in comparison doesnโt seem that bad IMO.
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