maadbeats
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by maadbeats on Aug 19, 2012 14:34:55 GMT 1, Avoid this f'er [glow=red,2,300]annar50[/glow]. Real name: nicholas dobie. Email: bbpandy50@aol.com. Bought a Handiedan print off of him. It showed in up not mint condition like he explained. So he accepted to have it returned. I do so immediately it sits in his post office for 3 weeks. He doesnt claim it so now its being returned back to me. No response either. Pretty sure he is a kid living with his parents. So its time to teach him a lesson.
Avoid this f'er [glow=red,2,300]annar50[/glow]. Real name: nicholas dobie. Email: bbpandy50@aol.com. Bought a Handiedan print off of him. It showed in up not mint condition like he explained. So he accepted to have it returned. I do so immediately it sits in his post office for 3 weeks. He doesnt claim it so now its being returned back to me. No response either. Pretty sure he is a kid living with his parents. So its time to teach him a lesson.
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annar50
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by annar50 on Aug 26, 2012 10:53:02 GMT 1, 1st of all i would like to thank all the people i have traded with on this forum,which never had a problem with.
all my artwork i buy and sell are in a1 condition
I was very doubtful about selling to the states in the beginning.. He didn't want to pay the extra postage of ยฃ45 to insure the print from damage etc .. Plus said he only has a certain amount in his PayPal account. He also hid his profile details saying he was a dealer,if I would of known he was a dealer ,I wouldn't of sold it to him.he only revealed his profile when he put a claim in saying it was damaged . I sent it recorded and with a low valuation on it to avoid tax. when I arrived he said it was damaged , he only sent me image of a damaged tube and a reverse pictures of the print , not sure if it was the print or not, asked him to send me pictures of the front of the handiedan but never got any. Agreed to return it with a refund when I got it. Booked a last minute 2week holiday away never had a card through door,thats parcelforce for you . Went I came home had to work away next day for a week ,which i do from time to time . Had letter from post office sayin I had to pay ยฃ60 to get print back . Was to late as it was returned .i though he would of returned the favor to avoid tax..
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1st of all i would like to thank all the people i have traded with on this forum,which never had a problem with.
all my artwork i buy and sell are in a1 condition
I was very doubtful about selling to the states in the beginning.. He didn't want to pay the extra postage of ยฃ45 to insure the print from damage etc .. Plus said he only has a certain amount in his PayPal account. He also hid his profile details saying he was a dealer,if I would of known he was a dealer ,I wouldn't of sold it to him.he only revealed his profile when he put a claim in saying it was damaged . I sent it recorded and with a low valuation on it to avoid tax. when I arrived he said it was damaged , he only sent me image of a damaged tube and a reverse pictures of the print , not sure if it was the print or not, asked him to send me pictures of the front of the handiedan but never got any. Agreed to return it with a refund when I got it. Booked a last minute 2week holiday away never had a card through door,thats parcelforce for you . Went I came home had to work away next day for a week ,which i do from time to time . Had letter from post office sayin I had to pay ยฃ60 to get print back . Was to late as it was returned .i though he would of returned the favor to avoid tax..
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by xmyart on Aug 26, 2012 11:00:48 GMT 1, In the interest of full disclosure and all that, WHY madbeats do you refuse to change yourself to a blue star? Since you are in fact an online gallery??
Not exactly playing it straight yourself now are you!!
In the interest of full disclosure and all that, WHY madbeats do you refuse to change yourself to a blue star? Since you are in fact an online gallery??
Not exactly playing it straight yourself now are you!!
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maadbeats
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by maadbeats on Aug 26, 2012 13:45:41 GMT 1, First off I never asked for you to value the print lower then the purchase price. Second We agreed on a price. There was no discussion of whether or not this would be insured. SO in most cases the seller will insure to protect his interest. Third I asked the condition of this print and he 100% claimed it was mint. I have every PM and email we sent back and forth. When the package arrived I opened it immediately and noticed the damage. Which was not done through transit even though there was some damage to the tube. I immediately took pictures and sent them over and he revealed that in fact he knew of the damage i was speaking about. Yes I sell prints. So does everyone else on this forum. It is at the bottom of my signature. Am I a dealer, i dont think so. Just like every person on these boards. My tastes change, I like to mix it up from time to time.I just went one step ahead and organized all my pieces i purchased over the last 12 years years in one spot. Make it a hell of a lot easier on my end.
I attached the Picture that I sent him.
Here is his explaination of the damage: No you be the judge
"HI BRIAN
yeap got your email ,but it sent it to junk .
sorry to here about what has happened
the 1st pic is just the indent from the onlay of the music piece which cant really be helped ,it had it on when i got it from boston .and it flattens out ok. im not sure what picture number 3 is from. i rolled it ok for you and rechecked it before i put it in tube. to make sure it was ok and it was in mint condition when i checked it. maybe they took it out of the roll your end to see what the item was.
my opinion is to leave it flat for a few weeks and see what happens.. as that is what i did when i recieved it
nick"
Read more: urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?action=pmview&view=1&id=1545187#ixzz24ei8Tj66
Then When I sent it back I was sitting in the post office for almost a month and no one picked it up. So know This print is somewhere??
Attachments:
First off I never asked for you to value the print lower then the purchase price. Second We agreed on a price. There was no discussion of whether or not this would be insured. SO in most cases the seller will insure to protect his interest. Third I asked the condition of this print and he 100% claimed it was mint. I have every PM and email we sent back and forth. When the package arrived I opened it immediately and noticed the damage. Which was not done through transit even though there was some damage to the tube. I immediately took pictures and sent them over and he revealed that in fact he knew of the damage i was speaking about. Yes I sell prints. So does everyone else on this forum. It is at the bottom of my signature. Am I a dealer, i dont think so. Just like every person on these boards. My tastes change, I like to mix it up from time to time.I just went one step ahead and organized all my pieces i purchased over the last 12 years years in one spot. Make it a hell of a lot easier on my end. I attached the Picture that I sent him. Here is his explaination of the damage: No you be the judge "HI BRIAN yeap got your email ,but it sent it to junk . sorry to here about what has happened the 1st pic is just the indent from the onlay of the music piece which cant really be helped ,it had it on when i got it from boston .and it flattens out ok. im not sure what picture number 3 is from. i rolled it ok for you and rechecked it before i put it in tube. to make sure it was ok and it was in mint condition when i checked it. maybe they took it out of the roll your end to see what the item was. my opinion is to leave it flat for a few weeks and see what happens.. as that is what i did when i recieved it nick" Read more: urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?action=pmview&view=1&id=1545187#ixzz24ei8Tj66Then When I sent it back I was sitting in the post office for almost a month and no one picked it up. So know This print is somewhere?? Attachments:
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maadbeats
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by maadbeats on Aug 26, 2012 13:51:43 GMT 1, By the way. i find it funny you now respond. I gave you fair warning of this August 10 after tracking the print being located at the post office since July 17. Its not like this should come as surprise.
By the way. i find it funny you now respond. I gave you fair warning of this August 10 after tracking the print being located at the post office since July 17. Its not like this should come as surprise.
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Damien
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by Damien on Aug 26, 2012 15:05:57 GMT 1, When starting or growing an amazing art collection sometimes you need some extra time to fund these purchases. As we built our collection, galleries and artists usually gave us the opportunity to spread out the payments to make thing easier. So in turn we offer the same to you. Need 1 month? Need 3? No problem, we are here to help ease the financial burden with zero interest. Just send us a message to work out the possible terms.
All terms that are agreed upon with both parties are binding.
seems like something a business would say( taken from your gallery website)
When starting or growing an amazing art collection sometimes you need some extra time to fund these purchases. As we built our collection, galleries and artists usually gave us the opportunity to spread out the payments to make thing easier. So in turn we offer the same to you. Need 1 month? Need 3? No problem, we are here to help ease the financial burden with zero interest. Just send us a message to work out the possible terms.
All terms that are agreed upon with both parties are binding.
seems like something a business would say( taken from your gallery website)
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maadbeats
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by maadbeats on Aug 26, 2012 15:25:15 GMT 1, First off I dont have to explain to the above why or why not I chose to list me my pieces on big cartel. So, Now that we have gotten off track of the real purpose of this thread. Let me once again point out why is it right for someone to claim try are selling a mint print when it clearly wasn't then accept the return and not pick up the package from the post office and ignore all communications until I had to name and shame. Which was warned. Love it how people divert from the facts and go off on a tangent when the person being accused and his buddies don't like what's being said.
First off I dont have to explain to the above why or why not I chose to list me my pieces on big cartel. So, Now that we have gotten off track of the real purpose of this thread. Let me once again point out why is it right for someone to claim try are selling a mint print when it clearly wasn't then accept the return and not pick up the package from the post office and ignore all communications until I had to name and shame. Which was warned. Love it how people divert from the facts and go off on a tangent when the person being accused and his buddies don't like what's being said.
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iamzero
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by iamzero on Aug 26, 2012 15:25:49 GMT 1, Don't understand why, of something from the uk is shipped overseas and duty is paid why then is duty expected if that item is returned?
And from the text provided here it would look to me that maadbeats could be defined more of a dealer than a casual flipper or seller.
Don't understand why, of something from the uk is shipped overseas and duty is paid why then is duty expected if that item is returned?
And from the text provided here it would look to me that maadbeats could be defined more of a dealer than a casual flipper or seller.
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maadbeats
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by maadbeats on Aug 26, 2012 15:39:06 GMT 1, When the transaction was made it clearly stated in my signature that I had a store don't know why that's a problem now. Annar50 could of canceled this sale well before we made the deal.
Since the above is clearly concerned that I have a store. I love that they are willing to forgive bad business. Good job folks
When the transaction was made it clearly stated in my signature that I had a store don't know why that's a problem now. Annar50 could of canceled this sale well before we made the deal.
Since the above is clearly concerned that I have a store. I love that they are willing to forgive bad business. Good job folks
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by iamzero on Aug 26, 2012 15:51:22 GMT 1, Dude I have no quarrel with you about being a dealer at all I just made a comment on the fact you said you weren't a dealer and clearly are no?
Hope all works out for both parties and your business takes off more when you get that blue star.
Dude I have no quarrel with you about being a dealer at all I just made a comment on the fact you said you weren't a dealer and clearly are no?
Hope all works out for both parties and your business takes off more when you get that blue star.
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by xmyart on Aug 26, 2012 16:10:11 GMT 1, Am i wrong that a couple of those prints came straight from the sale boards here to your store? Dface and Shep for instance?
You keep talking about all the facts, but to me, your still being sneaky by not changing to a blue star. If your so out in the open, prove it and change the star. Job done then innit.
Am i wrong that a couple of those prints came straight from the sale boards here to your store? Dface and Shep for instance?
You keep talking about all the facts, but to me, your still being sneaky by not changing to a blue star. If your so out in the open, prove it and change the star. Job done then innit.
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maadbeats
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by maadbeats on Aug 26, 2012 16:16:34 GMT 1, Bought the Dface and all shep prints from source. Like I said my signature does not hide the store and hasnt since I created it
Bought the Dface and all shep prints from source. Like I said my signature does not hide the store and hasnt since I created it
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iamzero
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by iamzero on Aug 26, 2012 16:40:33 GMT 1, That's an impressive collection dude. Really like the Futura figures and the Obey Supply and Demand. A little on the pricey side for me though.
That's an impressive collection dude. Really like the Futura figures and the Obey Supply and Demand. A little on the pricey side for me though.
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Damien
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by Damien on Aug 26, 2012 17:01:55 GMT 1, your definitely a gallery, i dont know annar50 im just commenting when i seen you denying it
your definitely a gallery, i dont know annar50 im just commenting when i seen you denying it
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maadbeats
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by maadbeats on Aug 26, 2012 17:50:33 GMT 1, Well when I read the parcel information it said that the parcel arrived a week before he took his holiday. I dont know how long it takes your postal service to get a slip in the mail. But I would think this would happen within a week. Even after the two week holiday the where abouts were still at the postal service.
Added, still no communication until today?? Why did that take so long? I have to make a post like this to get a response. Look everyone can read this how they want. You want to blame me for selling items through a big cartel store, fine. Thats your opinion. I wont lose any sleep. You dont want to sell me something thats your business. The facts are he was misleading in his initial description. I called him out, he accepted the return and never accepted it.
Well when I read the parcel information it said that the parcel arrived a week before he took his holiday. I dont know how long it takes your postal service to get a slip in the mail. But I would think this would happen within a week. Even after the two week holiday the where abouts were still at the postal service.
Added, still no communication until today?? Why did that take so long? I have to make a post like this to get a response. Look everyone can read this how they want. You want to blame me for selling items through a big cartel store, fine. Thats your opinion. I wont lose any sleep. You dont want to sell me something thats your business. The facts are he was misleading in his initial description. I called him out, he accepted the return and never accepted it.
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by iamzero on Aug 26, 2012 18:18:43 GMT 1, I get the feeling this is gonna be one heck of an expensive and well travelled print when this is all resolved.
I get the feeling this is gonna be one heck of an expensive and well travelled print when this is all resolved.
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 19:23:57 GMT 1, I recently bought a print that was damaged and the seller has offered solutions. Can the print not be repaired? I am sure it would not be difficult as the damage does not seem that bad to me. This is all getting a bit tit for tat now. Dealer or no dealer it does seem to me that if you have a website selling art then I think you would be seen as a dealer. However opinions always differ.
I recently bought a print that was damaged and the seller has offered solutions. Can the print not be repaired? I am sure it would not be difficult as the damage does not seem that bad to me. This is all getting a bit tit for tat now. Dealer or no dealer it does seem to me that if you have a website selling art then I think you would be seen as a dealer. However opinions always differ.
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 19:38:28 GMT 1, your definitely a gallery, i dont know annar50 im just commenting when i seen you denying it
to be a gallery, you have to be a gallerist. This gentleman is clearly not.
Your argument is like me saying that, since I did well with the ladies in college, that I am a gynecologist. Just because I spent a lot of time studying the vagine of various co-eds, and just because this gentleman moves prints to fund his own collection, does not mean we hold those titles. Yes, we do some of the same functions, but there is a lot more that goes into being a snatch-doctor, or a gallerist.
your definitely a gallery, i dont know annar50 im just commenting when i seen you denying it to be a gallery, you have to be a gallerist. This gentleman is clearly not. Your argument is like me saying that, since I did well with the ladies in college, that I am a gynecologist. Just because I spent a lot of time studying the vagine of various co-eds, and just because this gentleman moves prints to fund his own collection, does not mean we hold those titles. Yes, we do some of the same functions, but there is a lot more that goes into being a snatch-doctor, or a gallerist. |
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by anbesivam1 on Aug 26, 2012 19:48:57 GMT 1, Yes, we do some of the same functions, but there is a lot more that goes into being a snatch-doctor, or a gallerist.
Not the first analogy that comes to mind...well, my mind anyway;
but still serves its purpose.
Yes, we do some of the same functions, but there is a lot more that goes into being a snatch-doctor, or a gallerist. Not the first analogy that comes to mind...well, my mind anyway; but still serves its purpose. |
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by iamzero on Aug 26, 2012 19:53:09 GMT 1, And negging people for pointing out your shortfalls is not gonna help you cause either.
And negging people for pointing out your shortfalls is not gonna help you cause either.
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 20:05:14 GMT 1, And negging people for pointing out your shortfalls is not gonna help you cause either.
And I always thought Americans we nice people. Maybe I should review that!!
And negging people for pointing out your shortfalls is not gonna help you cause either. And I always thought Americans we nice people. Maybe I should review that!! |
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by mrblast on Aug 26, 2012 20:07:13 GMT 1, I think it's quite unfair that people are hijacking this thread to start accusing maadbeats of being a gallery. It is really of no relevance here, if you feel strongly about it, start another thread.
Just my opinion, hope the issue gets resolved.
I think it's quite unfair that people are hijacking this thread to start accusing maadbeats of being a gallery. It is really of no relevance here, if you feel strongly about it, start another thread.
Just my opinion, hope the issue gets resolved.
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by grahamames on Aug 26, 2012 20:27:33 GMT 1, When I have been to the post office before they have said to me there is a customs charge of x if you do not pay it, then it will be returned to the sender.
When I have been to the post office before they have said to me there is a customs charge of x if you do not pay it, then it will be returned to the sender.
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 20:28:11 GMT 1, I thought we were accusing him of being a dealer not a gallery?
I thought we were accusing him of being a dealer not a gallery?
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maadbeats
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Avoid Dealings with ANNAR50, by maadbeats on Aug 26, 2012 21:24:39 GMT 1, I'm Done with this. I said my peace an attention to the facts of my dealings. If people disagree and want to deal with annar50 that's their right. Hijack away. This is closed in my book. Oh and thanks for negs. It hurts😂
I'm Done with this. I said my peace an attention to the facts of my dealings. If people disagree and want to deal with annar50 that's their right. Hijack away. This is closed in my book. Oh and thanks for negs. It hurts😂
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