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Special Treat for Pimp......, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 18:14:21 GMT 1, ON THE FLESH
uuuh WTF is that?
ON THE FLESH uuuh WTF is that?
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Eelus • Tiffany for Breakfast, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 17:07:05 GMT 1,
they're DHL partners aren't they?
they're DHL partners aren't they?
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Is the work of a 4 year old art?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 16:06:54 GMT 1, I guess my thoughts are that to be considered genius you have to choose to do what you do, not merely do it because that is all you can do....
hey leave teachers out of this pauly ;D
I guess my thoughts are that to be considered genius you have to choose to do what you do, not merely do it because that is all you can do.... hey leave teachers out of this pauly ;D
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Eelus • Tiffany for Breakfast, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 16:04:31 GMT 1, Has this arrived yet anyone?
hey is yours hand finished with another artist's tag??
Has this arrived yet anyone? hey is yours hand finished with another artist's tag??
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Is the work of a 4 year old art?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 13:55:01 GMT 1, And the dealer who saw her work as a way of 'sticking it to the art world'.
agree seemed a little bitter and twisted..."look here is my very technical and detailed fine art that takes 8 months to produce and i dont sell anywhere near as much s**t as someone who scrawls crap all over a canvas....take this then, see if you can tell its done by a 4 year old with no depth"
And the dealer who saw her work as a way of 'sticking it to the art world'. agree seemed a little bitter and twisted..."look here is my very technical and detailed fine art that takes 8 months to produce and i dont sell anywhere near as much s**t as someone who scrawls crap all over a canvas....take this then, see if you can tell its done by a 4 year old with no depth"
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Is the work of a 4 year old art?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 13:52:41 GMT 1, 1, 3 ,5 are Pollock (I think). 2, 4, 6 are almost certainly Marla (although this is the first time I've seen any of her work). As I'm sure you're aware DM&P, whether you can tell them apart or not isn't really the point in question. It's the old cliche of walking round the Tate with your mum/mate/girlfriend and every 5 minutes listening to them say, "i could do that". Yes, you probably could, but the fact is you didn't - you didn't even think about doing until you saw it. And it was done fifty years ago anyway - what would be the point in copying it now - it would be completely out of context?!
Yes correct on the ID's. Yes i agree telling them apart doesnt address the point, but i was really detracting from the 'my 4 year old did this he/she must be an artist' type of comment. Point was she could produce similar types of work to a very famous artist, but how she did it is probably very different to pollock.
1, 3 ,5 are Pollock (I think). 2, 4, 6 are almost certainly Marla (although this is the first time I've seen any of her work). As I'm sure you're aware DM&P, whether you can tell them apart or not isn't really the point in question. It's the old cliche of walking round the Tate with your mum/mate/girlfriend and every 5 minutes listening to them say, "i could do that". Yes, you probably could, but the fact is you didn't - you didn't even think about doing until you saw it. And it was done fifty years ago anyway - what would be the point in copying it now - it would be completely out of context?! Yes correct on the ID's. Yes i agree telling them apart doesnt address the point, but i was really detracting from the 'my 4 year old did this he/she must be an artist' type of comment. Point was she could produce similar types of work to a very famous artist, but how she did it is probably very different to pollock.
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Is the work of a 4 year old art?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 13:13:35 GMT 1, correct (except the potato is called colourful camoflage), what about the rest though are any of these by either artist?..dont cheat spoils the fun
correct (except the potato is called colourful camoflage), what about the rest though are any of these by either artist?..dont cheat spoils the fun
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Enough with the exposure !, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 13:09:58 GMT 1, are you bruce lee's brother???
ug lee
;D
hat, coat.....taxi
are you bruce lee's brother???
ug lee
;D
hat, coat.....taxi
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Is the work of a 4 year old art?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 12:36:41 GMT 1, good stuff guys...
re the original question, although some of the work has visual appeal, i am struggling to see how a 4 year old has the capacity to link the work she is doing with some sort of statement, emotion or feeling. Is it not just a collection of brush strokes or is she using maturity way beyond her years in really creating art. If it was fine art you could claim she was a genius or prodigy at such an age, but for pieces created in the vein of pollock and similar others you could claim it's just a series of daubs on canvas from a child who likes to paint. What seperates the pollock painting from marla's....the emotions, meaning and visual interpretation of a subject, can a 4 year old really do that? What about Beethoven who was composing musical classics from a very early age, that does take emotion and skill, is he a helpful comparison?
I believe she is 8 now so it would be interesting to see if she has developed a completely different style as she matured or what might develop in the future.
So far it hasnt been proven either way if she was helped, coached or otherwise, as banksee mentions though several pieces have been filmed as she painted and are offered as evidence they are geniune. indeed she still commands high prices for her work.....that's a good sales job by someone.
good stuff guys...
re the original question, although some of the work has visual appeal, i am struggling to see how a 4 year old has the capacity to link the work she is doing with some sort of statement, emotion or feeling. Is it not just a collection of brush strokes or is she using maturity way beyond her years in really creating art. If it was fine art you could claim she was a genius or prodigy at such an age, but for pieces created in the vein of pollock and similar others you could claim it's just a series of daubs on canvas from a child who likes to paint. What seperates the pollock painting from marla's....the emotions, meaning and visual interpretation of a subject, can a 4 year old really do that? What about Beethoven who was composing musical classics from a very early age, that does take emotion and skill, is he a helpful comparison?
I believe she is 8 now so it would be interesting to see if she has developed a completely different style as she matured or what might develop in the future.
So far it hasnt been proven either way if she was helped, coached or otherwise, as banksee mentions though several pieces have been filmed as she painted and are offered as evidence they are geniune. indeed she still commands high prices for her work.....that's a good sales job by someone.
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Enough with the exposure !, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 11:45:03 GMT 1, call me cynical, but i think it's the wallet that rules carlo
call me cynical, but i think it's the wallet that rules carlo
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Is the work of a 4 year old art?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 11:38:17 GMT 1, so no one is interested in an art related discussion except banksee, seriously it was a very interesting program i recommend viewing it over an extended lunch. It didn't just raise questions about a 4 year old girl, but also what is art?
...obviously i phrased my question wrong...try again....
Do you reckon i could get more for a marla on ebay now or should i hold it as an investment?
so no one is interested in an art related discussion except banksee, seriously it was a very interesting program i recommend viewing it over an extended lunch. It didn't just raise questions about a 4 year old girl, but also what is art? ...obviously i phrased my question wrong...try again.... Do you reckon i could get more for a marla on ebay now or should i hold it as an investment?
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Enough with the exposure !, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 11:35:44 GMT 1, unfortunately the reality is that fame (or infamy) attracts interest...so on one side you take a pile of the public's money and plaster your work everywhere, on the other side some are going to want to see who you are, rightly or wrongly. As stated earlier, one day someone is going to hit the nail on the head, we have to accept the inevitable.
unfortunately the reality is that fame (or infamy) attracts interest...so on one side you take a pile of the public's money and plaster your work everywhere, on the other side some are going to want to see who you are, rightly or wrongly. As stated earlier, one day someone is going to hit the nail on the head, we have to accept the inevitable.
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Banksy Downfall Forum Rant, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 11:33:54 GMT 1, mammal.....encore...lets have another
mammal.....encore...lets have another
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Enough with the exposure !, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 11:14:10 GMT 1, this thread is quite self defeating...nicely done
this thread is quite self defeating...nicely done
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Banksy Downfall Forum Rant, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 11:12:49 GMT 1, haha was just thinking about them last night...the hitler one is the best by far has me in stitches every time ;D
haha was just thinking about them last night...the hitler one is the best by far has me in stitches every time ;D
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uh oh it's our old mate banxy again!, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 10:35:19 GMT 1, yeh but it's banxy this time, think we had a thread about him a long while back
yeh but it's banxy this time, think we had a thread about him a long while back
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Is the work of a 4 year old art?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 10:01:02 GMT 1, Did anyone watch Amir Bar-Lev's documentary "My kid could paint that" on BBC4 last night about Marla Olmstead the 4 year old (at the time) child prodigy who's paintings commanded prices of $20,000 plus.
Hailed originally as a child genius an expose on 60 minutes blew apart the story saying she had been helped by her father and the work was not her own. The follow up doco on BBC4 last night was an attmept to get to the bottom of it all.
What's your thoughts?? Can a 4 year old can really have the insight to produce great works of art or is it just a case of accidental meanderings of a paintbrush producing something that looks a bit like work by other great artists?? or was it all a cynical manipulation of the scene by her parents and a smart gallery owner??
watch here www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00csk9p/
read here www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/12/01/sm_marlaolmstead.xml&page=1
Did anyone watch Amir Bar-Lev's documentary "My kid could paint that" on BBC4 last night about Marla Olmstead the 4 year old (at the time) child prodigy who's paintings commanded prices of $20,000 plus. Hailed originally as a child genius an expose on 60 minutes blew apart the story saying she had been helped by her father and the work was not her own. The follow up doco on BBC4 last night was an attmept to get to the bottom of it all. What's your thoughts?? Can a 4 year old can really have the insight to produce great works of art or is it just a case of accidental meanderings of a paintbrush producing something that looks a bit like work by other great artists?? or was it all a cynical manipulation of the scene by her parents and a smart gallery owner?? watch here www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00csk9p/read here www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/12/01/sm_marlaolmstead.xml&page=1
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Enough with the exposure !, by dmandpenfold on Jul 31, 2008 9:45:16 GMT 1, BUMP
BUMP
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Why so little buzz around insect?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 30, 2008 17:42:14 GMT 1, in Newcastle??
in Newcastle??
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Bargains galore?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 30, 2008 17:22:55 GMT 1, pimp..you're wanted on the other thread..somebody said "in the flesh"
pimp..you're wanted on the other thread..somebody said "in the flesh"
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float mounting??, by dmandpenfold on Jul 30, 2008 17:19:12 GMT 1, by a good framer with hinge mounts , little tabs that are of archival type quality ie dont stick to and ruin your print (rice paper are probably best due to pH neutrality and strength plus they can be removed by dampening with a little distilled water). Of course it's best to make sure the print is perfectly flat first otherwise any waves or wobbles will show as it isn't pressed flat by a mount.
by a good framer with hinge mounts , little tabs that are of archival type quality ie dont stick to and ruin your print (rice paper are probably best due to pH neutrality and strength plus they can be removed by dampening with a little distilled water). Of course it's best to make sure the print is perfectly flat first otherwise any waves or wobbles will show as it isn't pressed flat by a mount.
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Roll Call, by dmandpenfold on Jul 30, 2008 17:10:26 GMT 1, yes showing my ignorance too, what's a big chill
yes showing my ignorance too, what's a big chill
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Bargains galore?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 30, 2008 16:33:32 GMT 1, ...and it doesnt help when you dont get paid for your work eh CJ?
...and it doesnt help when you dont get paid for your work eh CJ?
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Sten & Lex 🇮🇹 Italy Street Art • Print Release , by dmandpenfold on Jul 30, 2008 16:13:38 GMT 1, grrrr
grrrr
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Bargains galore?, by dmandpenfold on Jul 30, 2008 16:02:23 GMT 1, i'm rubbing so much i've got blisters on my hands........oooooer matron
i'm rubbing so much i've got blisters on my hands........oooooer matron
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changed again , by dmandpenfold on Jul 30, 2008 15:37:52 GMT 1, aaargh hand finished, not that old chestnut Yes, and i have been reliably informed by.... an informer... that they will look excellent...IN THE FLESH.
cue pimp.......
aaargh hand finished, not that old chestnut Yes, and i have been reliably informed by.... an informer... that they will look excellent...IN THE FLESH. cue pimp.......
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Came in the post!, by dmandpenfold on Jul 30, 2008 15:33:46 GMT 1, I got 2 eelus prints once, i gave the second one back though cos i'm a good egg.
I got 2 eelus prints once, i gave the second one back though cos i'm a good egg.
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changed again , by dmandpenfold on Jul 30, 2008 14:58:07 GMT 1, sshhh. everyone will find out Find out what? that Banksys next print release is on Sunday at 4.00am?and its definitely going to be a small edition with a smaller number of handfinished ones... that it?
aaargh hand finished, not that old chestnut
sshhh. everyone will find out Find out what? that Banksys next print release is on Sunday at 4.00am?and its definitely going to be a small edition with a smaller number of handfinished ones... that it? aaargh hand finished, not that old chestnut
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