mmmike
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by mmmike on Jul 23, 2014 22:49:12 GMT 1, Sorry about that. It sucks in terms of resale value but it will still look great framed up. If it really bothers you I'm sure there are a bunch here who would buy it from you. You might be surprised how much you could get for it. I have no idea how much but there are some crazy people when it comes to Banksy on here.
Sorry about that. It sucks in terms of resale value but it will still look great framed up. If it really bothers you I'm sure there are a bunch here who would buy it from you. You might be surprised how much you could get for it. I have no idea how much but there are some crazy people when it comes to Banksy on here.
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Chrisp
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Chrisp on Jul 23, 2014 22:49:21 GMT 1, I have all ways thought about this but never known the answer. A company should have public liability and companies selling a product, ie framing should have products liability, if not they are a shabby setup. If a framer damages a print you should be covered under their products liability. It's not like it's worth a few pounds is it?! If you specify the value of the print (as well as emphasize that it will likely increase in value; one of the reasons you are asking for archival framing materials to be used) and this is reflected in the framing receipt/invoice, then it should serve as ample evidence to reclaim any lost value in (hopefully small claims) court. If it's something like a Banksy you framed in 2003, you would need to be extremely explicit though re: your belief that it could potentially be worth the amount it is today (I'm not sure anyone was that explicit back then). Nowadays, you could use Banksy as a reference point for appreciation of value for urban art prints to show the expectation of price increase wasn't unreasonable. Sorry to get all legal, I know this is the last place for that.
You obviously know a bit more than I on this matter, which was very little. So basically a product liability would only cover you for a cost at time of framing and only last I expect for a certain time, like 12 months say?
I have all ways thought about this but never known the answer. A company should have public liability and companies selling a product, ie framing should have products liability, if not they are a shabby setup. If a framer damages a print you should be covered under their products liability. It's not like it's worth a few pounds is it?! If you specify the value of the print (as well as emphasize that it will likely increase in value; one of the reasons you are asking for archival framing materials to be used) and this is reflected in the framing receipt/invoice, then it should serve as ample evidence to reclaim any lost value in (hopefully small claims) court. If it's something like a Banksy you framed in 2003, you would need to be extremely explicit though re: your belief that it could potentially be worth the amount it is today (I'm not sure anyone was that explicit back then). Nowadays, you could use Banksy as a reference point for appreciation of value for urban art prints to show the expectation of price increase wasn't unreasonable. Sorry to get all legal, I know this is the last place for that. You obviously know a bit more than I on this matter, which was very little. So basically a product liability would only cover you for a cost at time of framing and only last I expect for a certain time, like 12 months say?
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 23:00:52 GMT 1, If you specify the value of the print (as well as emphasize that it will likely increase in value; one of the reasons you are asking for archival framing materials to be used) and this is reflected in the framing receipt/invoice, then it should serve as ample evidence to reclaim any lost value in (hopefully small claims) court. If it's something like a Banksy you framed in 2003, you would need to be extremely explicit though re: your belief that it could potentially be worth the amount it is today (I'm not sure anyone was that explicit back then). Nowadays, you could use Banksy as a reference point for appreciation of value for urban art prints to show the expectation of price increase wasn't unreasonable. Sorry to get all legal, I know this is the last place for that. You obviously know a bit more than I on this matter, which was very little. So basically a product liability would only cover you for a cost at time of framing and only last I expect for a certain time, like 12 months say? Whatever product liability you buy from the framer likely won't cover you for the necessary amount of time; this would be more you claiming damages for negligence (i.e. claiming that the act of drymounting the print was negligent given the potential for appreciation in value, especially in the context of having artwork framed under archival standards).
Product liability might not even cover you for this kind of thing at all, actually, since the defect isn't specifically product-based.
Sorry to ramble. Then again, ~$200 worth of free legal advice for ya
If you specify the value of the print (as well as emphasize that it will likely increase in value; one of the reasons you are asking for archival framing materials to be used) and this is reflected in the framing receipt/invoice, then it should serve as ample evidence to reclaim any lost value in (hopefully small claims) court. If it's something like a Banksy you framed in 2003, you would need to be extremely explicit though re: your belief that it could potentially be worth the amount it is today (I'm not sure anyone was that explicit back then). Nowadays, you could use Banksy as a reference point for appreciation of value for urban art prints to show the expectation of price increase wasn't unreasonable. Sorry to get all legal, I know this is the last place for that. You obviously know a bit more than I on this matter, which was very little. So basically a product liability would only cover you for a cost at time of framing and only last I expect for a certain time, like 12 months say? Whatever product liability you buy from the framer likely won't cover you for the necessary amount of time; this would be more you claiming damages for negligence (i.e. claiming that the act of drymounting the print was negligent given the potential for appreciation in value, especially in the context of having artwork framed under archival standards). Product liability might not even cover you for this kind of thing at all, actually, since the defect isn't specifically product-based. Sorry to ramble. Then again, ~$200 worth of free legal advice for ya
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robertjones
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by robertjones on Jul 23, 2014 23:03:21 GMT 1, Any chance it was Insured & it fell off the wall job ?
Any chance it was Insured & it fell off the wall job ?
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 23:05:22 GMT 1, Any chance it was Insured & it fell off the wall job ? haha not worth the insurance fraud (rarely is, if ever)
Any chance it was Insured & it fell off the wall job ? haha not worth the insurance fraud (rarely is, if ever)
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January 1970
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 23:31:22 GMT 1, Any chance it was Insured & it fell off the wall job ? haha not worth the insurance fraud (rarely is, if ever)
Shouldn't you be thanking gallery's indirectly to massage your ego or something?
Any chance it was Insured & it fell off the wall job ? haha not worth the insurance fraud (rarely is, if ever) Shouldn't you be thanking gallery's indirectly to massage your ego or something?
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January 1970
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 23:33:12 GMT 1, haha not worth the insurance fraud (rarely is, if ever) Shouldn't you be thanking gallery's indirectly to massage your ego or something? Only trying to give helpful advice, Hal.
haha not worth the insurance fraud (rarely is, if ever) Shouldn't you be thanking gallery's indirectly to massage your ego or something? Only trying to give helpful advice, Hal.
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Wearology
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Wearology on Jul 23, 2014 23:39:38 GMT 1, If your intention is to sell it than you may be surprised that a lot of people do not mind if it is dry mounted. I had a piece of art that the framer dry mounted in error and sold it on a popular web site a few years ago and I received asking price that was comparable to the non mounted ones.
If your intention is to sell it than you may be surprised that a lot of people do not mind if it is dry mounted. I had a piece of art that the framer dry mounted in error and sold it on a popular web site a few years ago and I received asking price that was comparable to the non mounted ones.
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Chrisp
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July 2011
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Chrisp on Jul 23, 2014 23:45:08 GMT 1, haha not worth the insurance fraud (rarely is, if ever) Shouldn't you be thanking gallery's indirectly to massage your ego or something?
I reckon you should change your name to nobrot.
haha not worth the insurance fraud (rarely is, if ever) Shouldn't you be thanking gallery's indirectly to massage your ego or something? I reckon you should change your name to nobrot.
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January 1970
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 23:49:09 GMT 1, if someone used a picasso original to wipe their arse and then sellotaped it into an IKEA frame, would that make it any less to you ? keep it as it and get it reframed - dont think about the ยฃ any longer, as hard as it is
I had a signed WSM that I got already framed ( nnnnnnn)- cos of the size of it, the frames often bend - so it dropped out. only when I dusted it off and checked it wasnt damaged, I noticed big fuck off cuts along rthe margins, each about half a cm deep by 3 mm wide- the framer had stapled the weedy frame together with fuck off big clips, that had gone right through the margins at regular intervals. mortified.
if someone used a picasso original to wipe their arse and then sellotaped it into an IKEA frame, would that make it any less to you ? keep it as it and get it reframed - dont think about the ยฃ any longer, as hard as it is
I had a signed WSM that I got already framed ( nnnnnnn)- cos of the size of it, the frames often bend - so it dropped out. only when I dusted it off and checked it wasnt damaged, I noticed big fuck off cuts along rthe margins, each about half a cm deep by 3 mm wide- the framer had stapled the weedy frame together with fuck off big clips, that had gone right through the margins at regular intervals. mortified.
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Dr Plip
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Dr Plip on Jul 24, 2014 0:13:31 GMT 1, Shit. That's a new one. The many ways a crap framer can fuck up a perfectly good print. I'd have never thought of that one.
Shit. That's a new one. The many ways a crap framer can fuck up a perfectly good print. I'd have never thought of that one.
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January 1970
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:16:07 GMT 1, I know. it had cost me ยฃ300 for the print as well. sold it for ยฃ200.
#goodoledays
I know. it had cost me ยฃ300 for the print as well. sold it for ยฃ200.
#goodoledays
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johnnyh
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by johnnyh on Jul 24, 2014 5:10:46 GMT 1, Terrible shame that but back when done it was done I suppose. Just get it on the wall must say I also really like this piece even though not as popular as the others.
Terrible shame that but back when done it was done I suppose. Just get it on the wall must say I also really like this piece even though not as popular as the others.
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January 1970
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 7:00:32 GMT 1, Good thing is dungle, even with the drymounting you'll prob get back more than you paid for it back then, what a stupid git, he actually was aware he was drymounting an ed print and renumbered it, thats the prob, any one of can start framing, doesnt mean we know what we're doing. At least the image wasnt damaged so it can still be enjoyed, not sure on the coa front tbh as hes covered the numbering and no guarantee he got that right, do you have an original reciept with numbering?
Good thing is dungle, even with the drymounting you'll prob get back more than you paid for it back then, what a stupid git, he actually was aware he was drymounting an ed print and renumbered it, thats the prob, any one of can start framing, doesnt mean we know what we're doing. At least the image wasnt damaged so it can still be enjoyed, not sure on the coa front tbh as hes covered the numbering and no guarantee he got that right, do you have an original reciept with numbering?
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Quinnster
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Quinnster on Jul 24, 2014 7:22:27 GMT 1, I guess this is what's all wrong with the banksy market as ifs all about money investment etc....
Re frame it and enjoy.
I have things I'm not 100% sure how they were framed as I did not know any better. As they are not for sale I'm not to worried I enjoy them on my walls.
I guess this is what's all wrong with the banksy market as ifs all about money investment etc....
Re frame it and enjoy.
I have things I'm not 100% sure how they were framed as I did not know any better. As they are not for sale I'm not to worried I enjoy them on my walls.
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January 1970
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 7:42:25 GMT 1, I guess this is what's all wrong with the banksy market as ifs all about money investment etc.... Re frame it and enjoy. I have things I'm not 100% sure how they were framed as I did not know any better. As they are not for sale I'm not to worried I enjoy them on my walls. I used to not care but now I'm a little worried - less about the investment and moreso about trading them in the future, and another trader not wanting a print that's attached to a backing board.
Time to go check all my frames.
I guess this is what's all wrong with the banksy market as ifs all about money investment etc.... Re frame it and enjoy. I have things I'm not 100% sure how they were framed as I did not know any better. As they are not for sale I'm not to worried I enjoy them on my walls. I used to not care but now I'm a little worried - less about the investment and moreso about trading them in the future, and another trader not wanting a print that's attached to a backing board. Time to go check all my frames.
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iamzero
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by iamzero on Jul 24, 2014 7:52:38 GMT 1, Exactly the reasons I learnt to frame my own stuff, I know what's behind the glass.
Exactly the reasons I learnt to frame my own stuff, I know what's behind the glass.
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 7:54:33 GMT 1, Exactly the reasons I learnt to frame my own stuff, I know what's behind the glass. DIY thread on here anywhere?
Exactly the reasons I learnt to frame my own stuff, I know what's behind the glass. DIY thread on here anywhere?
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 7:57:27 GMT 1, Scary thing is this framer has probably dry mounted every print thats come through his door, def get in touch with him and at least it may stop him doing it again...
Scary thing is this framer has probably dry mounted every print thats come through his door, def get in touch with him and at least it may stop him doing it again...
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fastone
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by fastone on Jul 24, 2014 8:28:28 GMT 1, Wasn't there a dry mounted rude copper on here a while ago? Wonder what happened to that.. You can soak antique prints in water to remove dry mounting, not sure you would want to do that with this! It's hanging on a wall at Sotheby's S2 as we speak....
Wasn't there a dry mounted rude copper on here a while ago? Wonder what happened to that.. You can soak antique prints in water to remove dry mounting, not sure you would want to do that with this! It's hanging on a wall at Sotheby's S2 as we speak....
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iamzero
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by iamzero on Jul 24, 2014 9:14:54 GMT 1, Exactly the reasons I learnt to frame my own stuff, I know what's behind the glass. DIY thread on here anywhere?
If you search any framed pictures I've posted they're all done by me dude.
Exactly the reasons I learnt to frame my own stuff, I know what's behind the glass. DIY thread on here anywhere? If you search any framed pictures I've posted they're all done by me dude.
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Dungle
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Dungle on Jul 24, 2014 12:00:54 GMT 1, I guess this is what's all wrong with the banksy market as ifs all about money investment etc.... Re frame it and enjoy. I have things I'm not 100% sure how they were framed as I did not know any better. As they are not for sale I'm not to worried I enjoy them on my walls. I'm not sure that I'm all that's wrong with the Banksy market!
I've only ever tried to sell one thing on here. I buy things that I want hanging on the wall. I wanted this reframed so that it could be moved within my house.
I'm a bit disappointed that its been badly framed previously and so has now lost significant value. I don't think that's unreasonable.
As above I have no intention of selling, and will be either restoring or reframing.
Oh and for the record I cant get a COA as you cant see the back of the print where the numbering is.
I guess this is what's all wrong with the banksy market as ifs all about money investment etc.... Re frame it and enjoy. I have things I'm not 100% sure how they were framed as I did not know any better. As they are not for sale I'm not to worried I enjoy them on my walls. I'm not sure that I'm all that's wrong with the Banksy market! I've only ever tried to sell one thing on here. I buy things that I want hanging on the wall. I wanted this reframed so that it could be moved within my house. I'm a bit disappointed that its been badly framed previously and so has now lost significant value. I don't think that's unreasonable. As above I have no intention of selling, and will be either restoring or reframing. Oh and for the record I cant get a COA as you cant see the back of the print where the numbering is.
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Ruggs
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Ruggs on Jul 24, 2014 12:27:52 GMT 1, Practically everyone on this forum IS bothered about the value of their art even if they say they aren't.
Practically everyone on this forum IS bothered about the value of their art even if they say they aren't.
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January 1970
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 12:34:29 GMT 1, Practically everyone on this forum IS bothered about the value of their art even if they say they aren't. LOL, you forgot to add 'so there!' Ruggs.
Practically everyone on this forum IS bothered about the value of their art even if they say they aren't. LOL, you forgot to add 'so there!' Ruggs.
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Dungle
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Dungle on Jul 25, 2014 12:42:02 GMT 1, Well I went to see Mr Bignell and he thinks that he can do something with it.
So it's with him and fingers crossed will be sorted.
Well I went to see Mr Bignell and he thinks that he can do something with it.
So it's with him and fingers crossed will be sorted.
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iamzero
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by iamzero on Jul 25, 2014 13:04:56 GMT 1, He's a very busy boy with knackered Banksy prints.
He's a very busy boy with knackered Banksy prints.
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Dungle
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Dungle on Jul 25, 2014 13:10:56 GMT 1, He's a very busy boy with knackered Banksy prints.
He sure is.
Some of the stuff that was laying around being worked on were incredible.
He's a very busy boy with knackered Banksy prints. He sure is. Some of the stuff that was laying around being worked on were incredible.
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January 1970
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 14:56:48 GMT 1, Well I went to see Mr Bignell and he thinks that he can do something with it. So it's with him and fingers crossed will be sorted. Thinks?, LOL. Fingers crossed here for you.
Well I went to see Mr Bignell and he thinks that he can do something with it. So it's with him and fingers crossed will be sorted. Thinks?, LOL. Fingers crossed here for you.
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Dungle
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The moment you take a Banksy out its frame and realise...., by Dungle on Sept 22, 2014 20:22:00 GMT 1, So he's come good, the silver flag is ready to be picked up having been removed without any damage.
Soon to be framed and on the wall again.
So he's come good, the silver flag is ready to be picked up having been removed without any damage.
Soon to be framed and on the wall again.
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