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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 12:29:03 GMT 1, If street art is advertising, because it's self publicity, then so is anything that anyone ever says or does ever! Stupid conversation. For example, what is tagging if not advertising.
Tagging ones name like a dog or cat marking their territory is advertising.
If street art is advertising, because it's self publicity, then so is anything that anyone ever says or does ever! Stupid conversation. For example, what is tagging if not advertising. Tagging ones name like a dog or cat marking their territory is advertising.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 12:31:35 GMT 1, The responses by "FR" seem to be because he only allows postive posts regarding Stik and whoever else he is selling on the day. The reason is obvious in that some people are only interested in using this forum to hype and to make money from people who believe the hype that their expensive print will be a great investment etc etc etc bla bla bla. The insults show the real side of these people and how nasty they can get if they do not get their way. If some on this forum have made a deal to promote a certain art and are not happy that all of the replies are promotion type positive replies but honest opinions and views then it speaks volumes about their immature attitude. Other people use this forum to talk about art and the Urban art world and scene.
To be fair to FR, he's often very negative about certain sought after print releases. However, this is normally followed up by a post saying he changed his mind and bought one after all. I actually like his posts for or against as it adds character to what can be quite mundane discussions. Never heard anyone saying they've had a bad deal with him either.
The responses by "FR" seem to be because he only allows postive posts regarding Stik and whoever else he is selling on the day. The reason is obvious in that some people are only interested in using this forum to hype and to make money from people who believe the hype that their expensive print will be a great investment etc etc etc bla bla bla. The insults show the real side of these people and how nasty they can get if they do not get their way. If some on this forum have made a deal to promote a certain art and are not happy that all of the replies are promotion type positive replies but honest opinions and views then it speaks volumes about their immature attitude. Other people use this forum to talk about art and the Urban art world and scene. To be fair to FR, he's often very negative about certain sought after print releases. However, this is normally followed up by a post saying he changed his mind and bought one after all. I actually like his posts for or against as it adds character to what can be quite mundane discussions. Never heard anyone saying they've had a bad deal with him either.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Coach on Jan 6, 2016 12:44:59 GMT 1, If street art is advertising, because it's self publicity, then so is anything that anyone ever says or does ever! Stupid conversation. For example, what is tagging if not advertising. Tagging ones name like a dog or cat marking their territory is advertising.
Except it's not trying to sell anything.
If street art is advertising, because it's self publicity, then so is anything that anyone ever says or does ever! Stupid conversation. For example, what is tagging if not advertising. Tagging ones name like a dog or cat marking their territory is advertising. Except it's not trying to sell anything.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 12:56:43 GMT 1, For example, what is tagging if not advertising. Tagging ones name like a dog or cat marking their territory is advertising. Except it's not trying to sell anything. BNE
For example, what is tagging if not advertising. Tagging ones name like a dog or cat marking their territory is advertising. Except it's not trying to sell anything. BNE
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 13:05:17 GMT 1, I get the feeling that the Urban art flip bubble has peaked and going the way of the dot com bubble of a few years ago.
Too many prints have been released for high prices which have been re sold for higher prices to people who mainly bought or invested believing that prices will continue to climb.
Now it looks like people are getting worried that the thousands they spent on an expensive portfolio of prints on paper will be hard to recuperate should they wish to sell in the near future if trends change and the market changes.
I get the feeling that the Urban art flip bubble has peaked and going the way of the dot com bubble of a few years ago.
Too many prints have been released for high prices which have been re sold for higher prices to people who mainly bought or invested believing that prices will continue to climb.
Now it looks like people are getting worried that the thousands they spent on an expensive portfolio of prints on paper will be hard to recuperate should they wish to sell in the near future if trends change and the market changes.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 13:18:04 GMT 1, If street art is advertising, because it's self publicity, then so is anything that anyone ever says or does ever! Stupid conversation. For example, what is tagging if not advertising. Tagging ones name like a dog or cat marking their territory is advertising. Vandalism
If street art is advertising, because it's self publicity, then so is anything that anyone ever says or does ever! Stupid conversation. For example, what is tagging if not advertising. Tagging ones name like a dog or cat marking their territory is advertising. Vandalism
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Happy Shopper on Jan 6, 2016 13:19:35 GMT 1, If street art is advertising, because it's self publicity, then so is anything that anyone ever says or does ever! Stupid conversation. For example, what is tagging if not advertising. Tagging ones name like a dog or cat marking their territory is advertising. It's just pissing on things
If street art is advertising, because it's self publicity, then so is anything that anyone ever says or does ever! Stupid conversation. For example, what is tagging if not advertising. Tagging ones name like a dog or cat marking their territory is advertising. It's just pissing on things
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Coach on Jan 6, 2016 13:22:59 GMT 1, Except it's not trying to sell anything. BNE
Add the word "usually" to my sentence then.
Except it's not trying to sell anything. BNE Add the word "usually" to my sentence then.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Coach on Jan 6, 2016 13:28:41 GMT 1, I get the feeling that the Urban art flip bubble has peaked and going the way of the dot com bubble of a few years ago. Too many prints have been released for high prices which have been re sold for higher prices to people who mainly bought or invested believing that prices will continue to climb. Now it looks like people are getting worried that the thousands they spent on an expensive portfolio of prints on paper will be hard to recuperate should they wish to sell in the near future if trends change and the market changes.
I do wish that you (and others) wouldn't generalise. You should refer to "some people". Not everyone's motives for collecting art are the same.
I get the feeling that the Urban art flip bubble has peaked and going the way of the dot com bubble of a few years ago. Too many prints have been released for high prices which have been re sold for higher prices to people who mainly bought or invested believing that prices will continue to climb. Now it looks like people are getting worried that the thousands they spent on an expensive portfolio of prints on paper will be hard to recuperate should they wish to sell in the near future if trends change and the market changes. I do wish that you (and others) wouldn't generalise. You should refer to "some people". Not everyone's motives for collecting art are the same.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by 11 on Jan 6, 2016 13:43:22 GMT 1, I get the feeling certain individuals want to try and create money motivated threads so they can then cry this place is just about money
They need to generalise as there are hidden agendas and disruptive strategies afoot - best just to ignore it all Coach as they are just trying to cause unrest
I get the feeling certain individuals want to try and create money motivated threads so they can then cry this place is just about money They need to generalise as there are hidden agendas and disruptive strategies afoot - best just to ignore it all Coach as they are just trying to cause unrest
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Coach on Jan 6, 2016 13:54:08 GMT 1, I get the feeling certain individuals want to try and create money motivated threads so they can then cry this place is just about money They need to generalise as there are hidden agendas and disruptive strategies afoot - best just to ignore it all Coach as they are just trying to cause unrest
I am, it seems, rather naive. I rarely spot ulterior motives.
I get the feeling certain individuals want to try and create money motivated threads so they can then cry this place is just about money They need to generalise as there are hidden agendas and disruptive strategies afoot - best just to ignore it all Coach as they are just trying to cause unrest I am, it seems, rather naive. I rarely spot ulterior motives.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 14:47:17 GMT 1, I get the feeling that the Urban art flip bubble has peaked and going the way of the dot com bubble of a few years ago. Too many prints have been released for high prices which have been re sold for higher prices to people who mainly bought or invested believing that prices will continue to climb. Now it looks like people are getting worried that the thousands they spent on an expensive portfolio of prints on paper will be hard to recuperate should they wish to sell in the near future if trends change and the market changes. I do wish that you (and others) wouldn't generalise. You should refer to "some people". Not everyone's motives for collecting art are the same. regarding Urban art,
I did write "Too many prints have been released for high prices which have been re sold for higher prices to people who mainly bought or invested believing that prices will continue to climb."
theconversation.com/buy-art-because-you-love-it-not-because-it-might-make-you-rich-50921
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speculation
I get the feeling that the Urban art flip bubble has peaked and going the way of the dot com bubble of a few years ago. Too many prints have been released for high prices which have been re sold for higher prices to people who mainly bought or invested believing that prices will continue to climb. Now it looks like people are getting worried that the thousands they spent on an expensive portfolio of prints on paper will be hard to recuperate should they wish to sell in the near future if trends change and the market changes. I do wish that you (and others) wouldn't generalise. You should refer to "some people". Not everyone's motives for collecting art are the same. regarding Urban art, I did write "Too many prints have been released for high prices which have been re sold for higher prices to people who mainly bought or invested believing that prices will continue to climb." theconversation.com/buy-art-because-you-love-it-not-because-it-might-make-you-rich-50921en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speculation
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by saucyjack on Jan 6, 2016 18:49:29 GMT 1, Wow, there is some serious mistrust and paranoia on this board. My ulterior motives for this thread, and other comments on this site are hardly to ferment some kind of destabilization or disruption to the status quo. I am interested in the psychological, sociological and financial motivations of buying art. I thought I could engage in an intelligent discussion with others who share my interests.
I didn't want to clog up artist specific threads with my banter, so I started a new thread for it. If you don't want to participate, think it is stupid, or worse, just don't click in.
It's an interesting response by some of our members and guardians, to be sure. Many of you are coming across rather dictatorial in the way you handle supposed "troublemakers."
Wow, there is some serious mistrust and paranoia on this board. My ulterior motives for this thread, and other comments on this site are hardly to ferment some kind of destabilization or disruption to the status quo. I am interested in the psychological, sociological and financial motivations of buying art. I thought I could engage in an intelligent discussion with others who share my interests.
I didn't want to clog up artist specific threads with my banter, so I started a new thread for it. If you don't want to participate, think it is stupid, or worse, just don't click in.
It's an interesting response by some of our members and guardians, to be sure. Many of you are coming across rather dictatorial in the way you handle supposed "troublemakers."
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by 11 on Jan 6, 2016 19:01:17 GMT 1, Wow, there is some serious mistrust and paranoia on this board. My ulterior motives for this thread, and other comments on this site are hardly to ferment some kind of destabilization or disruption to the status quo. I am interested in the psychological, sociological and financial motivations of buying art. I thought I could engage in an intelligent discussion with others who share my interests. I didn't want to clog up artist specific threads with my banter, so I started a new thread for it. If you don't want to participate, think it is stupid, or worse, just don't click in. It's an interesting response by some of our members and guardians, to be sure. Many of you are coming across rather dictatorial in the way you handle supposed "troublemakers." You started by a labouring the point over issues with Jboy and FR, you cast dispersions over peoples characters and championed the need for transparency yet when asked you he repeatedly avoid sharing your original user name
You want trust? then I suggest you demonstrate the qualities you champion and avoid the characteristics you yourself claim are Shady - might go a long way to removing some of that distrust you are so surprised to be attracting
Wow, there is some serious mistrust and paranoia on this board. My ulterior motives for this thread, and other comments on this site are hardly to ferment some kind of destabilization or disruption to the status quo. I am interested in the psychological, sociological and financial motivations of buying art. I thought I could engage in an intelligent discussion with others who share my interests. I didn't want to clog up artist specific threads with my banter, so I started a new thread for it. If you don't want to participate, think it is stupid, or worse, just don't click in. It's an interesting response by some of our members and guardians, to be sure. Many of you are coming across rather dictatorial in the way you handle supposed "troublemakers." You started by a labouring the point over issues with Jboy and FR, you cast dispersions over peoples characters and championed the need for transparency yet when asked you he repeatedly avoid sharing your original user name You want trust? then I suggest you demonstrate the qualities you champion and avoid the characteristics you yourself claim are Shady - might go a long way to removing some of that distrust you are so surprised to be attracting
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by saucyjack on Jan 6, 2016 19:12:40 GMT 1, I am a nobody. A shady, nasty little nobody.
I am a nobody. A shady, nasty little nobody.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by saucyjack on Jan 6, 2016 19:14:13 GMT 1, Now you can chuck me out of the party, the trouble maker that I am.
LOL
Now you can chuck me out of the party, the trouble maker that I am.
LOL
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by dreadnatty on Jan 6, 2016 19:17:44 GMT 1, Wow, there is some serious mistrust and paranoia on this board. My ulterior motives for this thread, and other comments on this site are hardly to ferment some kind of destabilization or disruption to the status quo. I am interested in the psychological, sociological and financial motivations of buying art. I thought I could engage in an intelligent discussion with others who share my interests. I didn't want to clog up artist specific threads with my banter, so I started a new thread for it. If you don't want to participate, think it is stupid, or worse, just don't click in. It's an interesting response by some of our members and guardians, to be sure. Many of you are coming across rather dictatorial in the way you handle supposed "troublemakers." You started by a labouring the point over issues with Jboy and FR, you cast dispersions over peoples characters and championed the need for transparency yet when asked you he repeatedly avoid sharing your original user name You want trust? then I suggest you demonstrate the qualities you champion and avoid the characteristics you yourself claim are Shady - might go a long way to removing some of that distrust you are so surprised to be attracting
Wow, there is some serious mistrust and paranoia on this board. My ulterior motives for this thread, and other comments on this site are hardly to ferment some kind of destabilization or disruption to the status quo. I am interested in the psychological, sociological and financial motivations of buying art. I thought I could engage in an intelligent discussion with others who share my interests. I didn't want to clog up artist specific threads with my banter, so I started a new thread for it. If you don't want to participate, think it is stupid, or worse, just don't click in. It's an interesting response by some of our members and guardians, to be sure. Many of you are coming across rather dictatorial in the way you handle supposed "troublemakers." You started by a labouring the point over issues with Jboy and FR, you cast dispersions over peoples characters and championed the need for transparency yet when asked you he repeatedly avoid sharing your original user name You want trust? then I suggest you demonstrate the qualities you champion and avoid the characteristics you yourself claim are Shady - might go a long way to removing some of that distrust you are so surprised to be attracting
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by saucyjack on Jan 6, 2016 19:19:47 GMT 1, So much attention from guardians and 5 star members. I'm flattered.
So much attention from guardians and 5 star members. I'm flattered.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by 11 on Jan 6, 2016 19:33:57 GMT 1,
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by saucyjack on Jan 6, 2016 19:42:33 GMT 1, Love that one.
But can you please take it to PM if you have a problem with me. No need to continue clutter this thread with banter unrelated to the topic. Or, like you've suggested elsewhere, please use the Block feature and my annoying posts will disappear. Members don't want to read this stuff.
Cheers
Love that one. But can you please take it to PM if you have a problem with me. No need to continue clutter this thread with banter unrelated to the topic. Or, like you've suggested elsewhere, please use the Block feature and my annoying posts will disappear. Members don't want to read this stuff. Cheers
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by 11 on Jan 6, 2016 19:53:35 GMT 1, I've already PM'd you - how's that for coincidence and you're right the forum is already tired of these threads so perhaps you should consider reigning it in a bit too
I've already PM'd you - how's that for coincidence and you're right the forum is already tired of these threads so perhaps you should consider reigning it in a bit too
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 20:13:44 GMT 1, The art market is very volatile and unregulated.
Art is a brand and a dealt with the same as any commodity if one is a dealer or art investor.
Commodities rise in value when there is a surge in demand.
In reality people can live without art on their wall and a surge in demand can occur when an artists ouvres are re sold at continually higher prices.
If one is a collector and buys what they like for prices they can easily afford and buy carefully they can build up a good colelction over the years.
The art market is very volatile and unregulated.
Art is a brand and a dealt with the same as any commodity if one is a dealer or art investor.
Commodities rise in value when there is a surge in demand.
In reality people can live without art on their wall and a surge in demand can occur when an artists ouvres are re sold at continually higher prices.
If one is a collector and buys what they like for prices they can easily afford and buy carefully they can build up a good colelction over the years.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 20:15:13 GMT 1, Wow, there is some serious mistrust and paranoia on this board. My ulterior motives for this thread, and other comments on this site are hardly to ferment some kind of destabilization or disruption to the status quo. I am interested in the psychological, sociological and financial motivations of buying art. I thought I could engage in an intelligent discussion with others who share my interests. I didn't want to clog up artist specific threads with my banter, so I started a new thread for it. If you don't want to participate, think it is stupid, or worse, just don't click in. It's an interesting response by some of our members and guardians, to be sure. Many of you are coming across rather dictatorial in the way you handle supposed "troublemakers." You started by a labouring the point over issues with Jboy and FR, you cast dispersions over peoples characters and championed the need for transparency yet when asked you he repeatedly avoid sharing your original user name You want trust? then I suggest you demonstrate the qualities you champion and avoid the characteristics you yourself claim are Shady - might go a long way to removing some of that distrust you are so surprised to be attracting You seem to have a problem with some forum members interacting with other forum members.
Why?
Wow, there is some serious mistrust and paranoia on this board. My ulterior motives for this thread, and other comments on this site are hardly to ferment some kind of destabilization or disruption to the status quo. I am interested in the psychological, sociological and financial motivations of buying art. I thought I could engage in an intelligent discussion with others who share my interests. I didn't want to clog up artist specific threads with my banter, so I started a new thread for it. If you don't want to participate, think it is stupid, or worse, just don't click in. It's an interesting response by some of our members and guardians, to be sure. Many of you are coming across rather dictatorial in the way you handle supposed "troublemakers." You started by a labouring the point over issues with Jboy and FR, you cast dispersions over peoples characters and championed the need for transparency yet when asked you he repeatedly avoid sharing your original user name You want trust? then I suggest you demonstrate the qualities you champion and avoid the characteristics you yourself claim are Shady - might go a long way to removing some of that distrust you are so surprised to be attracting You seem to have a problem with some forum members interacting with other forum members. Why?
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by saucyjack on Jan 6, 2016 20:25:38 GMT 1, The art market is very volatile and unregulated. Art is a brand and a dealt with the same as any commodity if one is a dealer or art investor. Commodities rise in value when there is a surge in demand. In reality people can live without art on their wall and a surge in demand can occur when an artists ouvres are re sold at continually higher prices. If one is a collector and buys what they like for prices they can easily afford and buy carefully they can build up a good colelction over the years. Good point, volatility is certainly in play. I've noticed a lot of here today gone tomorrow in my time as an art enthusiast. Thankfully, I didn't over buy. I did purchase a few things on the secondary which aren't selling at the same price now. I could have bought two or three now for what I paid then! The good thing is that these works are framed on the wall and not coming down.
One member PM'd me and brought up the idea of artist managers or agents. Something I had not considered before. I'm curious about the role these people play in the development and marketing of artists. Are they to blame for the over saturation of a particular artists work? Are they to blame for all the success they receive? Once an artist gets gallery representation, does their role cease to exist? What is their role, anyway? What does a good agent bring to the table? Surely, an artist can photograph and share their works with galleries or shows they may be interested in.
All interesting questions, IMO. I've love to hear the thoughts of others on this!
The art market is very volatile and unregulated. Art is a brand and a dealt with the same as any commodity if one is a dealer or art investor. Commodities rise in value when there is a surge in demand. In reality people can live without art on their wall and a surge in demand can occur when an artists ouvres are re sold at continually higher prices. If one is a collector and buys what they like for prices they can easily afford and buy carefully they can build up a good colelction over the years. Good point, volatility is certainly in play. I've noticed a lot of here today gone tomorrow in my time as an art enthusiast. Thankfully, I didn't over buy. I did purchase a few things on the secondary which aren't selling at the same price now. I could have bought two or three now for what I paid then! The good thing is that these works are framed on the wall and not coming down. One member PM'd me and brought up the idea of artist managers or agents. Something I had not considered before. I'm curious about the role these people play in the development and marketing of artists. Are they to blame for the over saturation of a particular artists work? Are they to blame for all the success they receive? Once an artist gets gallery representation, does their role cease to exist? What is their role, anyway? What does a good agent bring to the table? Surely, an artist can photograph and share their works with galleries or shows they may be interested in. All interesting questions, IMO. I've love to hear the thoughts of others on this!
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by 11 on Jan 6, 2016 20:35:02 GMT 1, You started by a labouring the point over issues with Jboy and FR, you cast dispersions over peoples characters and championed the need for transparency yet when asked you he repeatedly avoid sharing your original user name You want trust? then I suggest you demonstrate the qualities you champion and avoid the characteristics you yourself claim are Shady - might go a long way to removing some of that distrust you are so surprised to be attracting You seem to have a problem with some forum members interacting with other forum members. Why?
Everyone knows I am immensely fair and try hard to find the happy path but I also have a knack of seeing through all the subterfuge and recognise those that have ulterior motives. I'll give everyone the benefit of the doubt but as a guardian, any sustained and ongoing attempts to rile those that are here for the love of art and the forum mean I will stand-up and challenge those who want to cause damage.
Decide what you want and either move on or change your attitude - you want to discuss it anymore then PM me
You started by a labouring the point over issues with Jboy and FR, you cast dispersions over peoples characters and championed the need for transparency yet when asked you he repeatedly avoid sharing your original user name You want trust? then I suggest you demonstrate the qualities you champion and avoid the characteristics you yourself claim are Shady - might go a long way to removing some of that distrust you are so surprised to be attracting You seem to have a problem with some forum members interacting with other forum members. Why? Everyone knows I am immensely fair and try hard to find the happy path but I also have a knack of seeing through all the subterfuge and recognise those that have ulterior motives. I'll give everyone the benefit of the doubt but as a guardian, any sustained and ongoing attempts to rile those that are here for the love of art and the forum mean I will stand-up and challenge those who want to cause damage. Decide what you want and either move on or change your attitude - you want to discuss it anymore then PM me
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 20:36:58 GMT 1, The art market is very volatile and unregulated. Art is a brand and a dealt with the same as any commodity if one is a dealer or art investor. Commodities rise in value when there is a surge in demand. In reality people can live without art on their wall and a surge in demand can occur when an artists ouvres are re sold at continually higher prices. If one is a collector and buys what they like for prices they can easily afford and buy carefully they can build up a good colelction over the years. Good point, volatility is certainly in play. I've noticed a lot of here today gone tomorrow in my time as an art enthusiast. Thankfully, I didn't over buy. I did purchase a few things on the secondary which aren't selling at the same price now. I could have bought two or three now for what I paid then! The good thing is that these works are framed on the wall and not coming down. One member PM'd me and brought up the idea of artist managers or agents. Something I had not considered before. I'm curious about the role these people play in the development and marketing of artists. Are they to blame for the over saturation of a particular artists work? Are they to blame for all the success they receive? Once an artist gets gallery representation, does their role cease to exist? What is their role, anyway? What does a good agent bring to the table? Surely, an artist can photograph and share their works with galleries or shows they may be interested in. All interesting questions, IMO. I've love to hear the thoughts of others on this! I have seen PR companies advertising on Twitter and other places that they can raise the profile of artists etc. Including by social media. They charge a fee and how effective they are in reality I have no idea.
If they represent lots of artists who each pay them a fee I cannot see how efefctive they are.
Dali had managers and agents and he got well and truly ripped off by all of them.
The way it has always been is to get the "right" people to notice the artist and buy the art.
Hence if a celebrity or two buys an artwork and it is made public, then it's a good start.
Galleries have clients lists which they sell the art to. So do major auction houses.
The art market is very volatile and unregulated. Art is a brand and a dealt with the same as any commodity if one is a dealer or art investor. Commodities rise in value when there is a surge in demand. In reality people can live without art on their wall and a surge in demand can occur when an artists ouvres are re sold at continually higher prices. If one is a collector and buys what they like for prices they can easily afford and buy carefully they can build up a good colelction over the years. Good point, volatility is certainly in play. I've noticed a lot of here today gone tomorrow in my time as an art enthusiast. Thankfully, I didn't over buy. I did purchase a few things on the secondary which aren't selling at the same price now. I could have bought two or three now for what I paid then! The good thing is that these works are framed on the wall and not coming down. One member PM'd me and brought up the idea of artist managers or agents. Something I had not considered before. I'm curious about the role these people play in the development and marketing of artists. Are they to blame for the over saturation of a particular artists work? Are they to blame for all the success they receive? Once an artist gets gallery representation, does their role cease to exist? What is their role, anyway? What does a good agent bring to the table? Surely, an artist can photograph and share their works with galleries or shows they may be interested in. All interesting questions, IMO. I've love to hear the thoughts of others on this! I have seen PR companies advertising on Twitter and other places that they can raise the profile of artists etc. Including by social media. They charge a fee and how effective they are in reality I have no idea. If they represent lots of artists who each pay them a fee I cannot see how efefctive they are. Dali had managers and agents and he got well and truly ripped off by all of them. The way it has always been is to get the "right" people to notice the artist and buy the art. Hence if a celebrity or two buys an artwork and it is made public, then it's a good start. Galleries have clients lists which they sell the art to. So do major auction houses.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by saucyjack on Jan 6, 2016 20:41:59 GMT 1, Thanks Ploppi.
As you are an artist, I am very interested in your POV.
Let's say you have an agent fulfilling a PR/advertising role for you. Once you earned the attention of a gallery, with an established roster of clients and (possibly) agents of their own, would that original agent of yours be made redundant?
Thanks Ploppi.
As you are an artist, I am very interested in your POV.
Let's say you have an agent fulfilling a PR/advertising role for you. Once you earned the attention of a gallery, with an established roster of clients and (possibly) agents of their own, would that original agent of yours be made redundant?
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 20:53:32 GMT 1, You seem to have a problem with some forum members interacting with other forum members. Why? Everyone knows I am immensely fair and try hard to find the happy path but I also have a knack of seeing through all the subterfuge and recognise those that have ulterior motives. I'll give everyone the benefit of the doubt but as a guardian, any sustained and ongoing attempts to rile those that are here for the love of art and the forum mean I will stand-up and challenge those who want to cause damage. Decide what you want and either move on or change your attitude - you want to discuss it anymore then PM me
Where have I tried to rile someone.?
On the other hand you posted this.
urbanartassociation.com/thread/135588/why-people-stik?page=9
"We are members as well and joined this place to engage in interesting dialogue - as a guardian i try and remain impartial but as a fellow member I think you're talking out of your arse and just looking to start trouble"
I have not broken any forum rules with my posts and because I have an opinion which does not suit you, you resort to insulting me and trying to rile me.
I know why and it's because you are hoping that I react and insult you back s that you have an excuse to ban me.
I find your attitude very immature and the fact that you have targeted posts I have made in a certain thread.
urbanartassociation.com/thread/135588/why-people-stik?page=10
FR (ex forum guardian) posted in reference to your post above.
"He is not insulting you.
You are literally talking out of your arse."
and if that is not trying to rile someone than what is.
You volunteered to become a forum guardian for your own reasons.
There are a few forum guardians and this forum allows members to make create threads about whatver aspect of urban art and art the feel like discussing.
This thread is one of them.
You seem to have a problem with some forum members interacting with other forum members. Why? Everyone knows I am immensely fair and try hard to find the happy path but I also have a knack of seeing through all the subterfuge and recognise those that have ulterior motives. I'll give everyone the benefit of the doubt but as a guardian, any sustained and ongoing attempts to rile those that are here for the love of art and the forum mean I will stand-up and challenge those who want to cause damage. Decide what you want and either move on or change your attitude - you want to discuss it anymore then PM me Where have I tried to rile someone.? On the other hand you posted this. urbanartassociation.com/thread/135588/why-people-stik?page=9"We are members as well and joined this place to engage in interesting dialogue - as a guardian i try and remain impartial but as a fellow member I think you're talking out of your arse and just looking to start trouble"
I have not broken any forum rules with my posts and because I have an opinion which does not suit you, you resort to insulting me and trying to rile me. I know why and it's because you are hoping that I react and insult you back s that you have an excuse to ban me. I find your attitude very immature and the fact that you have targeted posts I have made in a certain thread. urbanartassociation.com/thread/135588/why-people-stik?page=10FR (ex forum guardian) posted in reference to your post above. "He is not insulting you.
You are literally talking out of your arse." and if that is not trying to rile someone than what is. You volunteered to become a forum guardian for your own reasons. There are a few forum guardians and this forum allows members to make create threads about whatver aspect of urban art and art the feel like discussing. This thread is one of them.
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 21:41:33 GMT 1, Thanks Ploppi. As you are an artist, I am very interested in your POV. Let's say you have an agent fulfilling a PR/advertising role for you. Once you earned the attention of a gallery, with an established roster of clients and (possibly) agents of their own, would that original agent of yours be made redundant? I'm old fashioned and loyal when it comes to business.
I would't make the original agent redundant.
From experience I have done arrangements as in business with people who came across as honest but as soon as ones back is turned they have their own agenda. When that happens I decide that the business arrangement has been broken.
Some galleries want the artist exclusive to them.
Plus eventually i'm bound to make some art that pisses off their clients
Thanks Ploppi. As you are an artist, I am very interested in your POV. Let's say you have an agent fulfilling a PR/advertising role for you. Once you earned the attention of a gallery, with an established roster of clients and (possibly) agents of their own, would that original agent of yours be made redundant? I'm old fashioned and loyal when it comes to business. I would't make the original agent redundant. From experience I have done arrangements as in business with people who came across as honest but as soon as ones back is turned they have their own agenda. When that happens I decide that the business arrangement has been broken. Some galleries want the artist exclusive to them. Plus eventually i'm bound to make some art that pisses off their clients
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The Role of PR in Street/Urban Art (or vice versa), by mojo on Jan 6, 2016 22:45:18 GMT 1, Bout time I waded in on this one innit
So in my opinion Banksy became the zeitgiest, what a wonderful word that is ah? of a very precise moment in the spacetime continuum where all the components cosmically came together in an almost magical order to create a now globally recognized name out of total chaos. There was no doubt a fair amount of blood sweat and tears along the way .....pictures don't paint themselves and shows don't put themselves on ....people have to do that.... and they did. Then someone one has to pay for it all and that's where your PR comes in...no honey no money and visa versa. In a nutshell physics and sweat did it and PR picks up the tab.
Crappy New Year Everyone
Bout time I waded in on this one innit So in my opinion Banksy became the zeitgiest, what a wonderful word that is ah? of a very precise moment in the spacetime continuum where all the components cosmically came together in an almost magical order to create a now globally recognized name out of total chaos. There was no doubt a fair amount of blood sweat and tears along the way .....pictures don't paint themselves and shows don't put themselves on ....people have to do that.... and they did. Then someone one has to pay for it all and that's where your PR comes in...no honey no money and visa versa. In a nutshell physics and sweat did it and PR picks up the tab. Crappy New Year Everyone
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