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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by met on Aug 23, 2016 13:36:23 GMT 1, ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS
Here is a fresh thread on a recurring topic. It may help a few art enthusiasts โ especially those thinking about starting a collection or those who've recently begun collecting.
The title is clear. It's in upper case to make the thread easier to find and to offer a guise of permanence. Given the fluid nature of the forum, this topic has potential to be of regular interest as new members continue to join over the years.
In the coming weeks, I'll be adding a fair amount. For reasons of consolidation and reader convenience (more than self-indulgence), this will include cutting and pasting some of my old posts. Despite being clinical or preachy, several of these past comments had advice-giving as an objective. I trust members will forgive any repetition.
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To start off, there follows a copy of the best single post I've seen on the subject. It was written by Feral Things in the tips wanted! thread:
I know this thread is a little bit old now but for what it's worth my advice would be... Know your history - Knowing where str eet art has come from will give you a far better appreciation of the work being produced today and help you to differentiate the work which has some authenticity from the vacuous work that's just being hyped. Read Subway Art and The Faith of Graffiti, listen to Planet Rock and The Message, watch Style Wars and Beat Street. Books not prints - There's probably a fair chance that any prints bought when you first start collecting won't interest you after a year or so when you've got a much better idea about what you like. Books have the advantage that a) they'll give you far more insight into what an artist's work is all about when you're still finding your feet, b) they're a lot cheaper, and c) in 10 years time you're probably more likely to flick through the book on your shelf than you are to want the print on your wall. Buy what you love - Everyone ab ove has said this for a good reason! Don't buy for investment, don't buy because something is the flavour of the month and don't buy because you quite like something - buy because you love it and you're smitten. That's the work that you'll enjoy the most and that you'll want to stare at for years to come. Beauty and brains - Think of buying a piece of art as like getting married; you want someone that's funny, interesting and intelligent too and not someone that's just beautiful. There's plenty of meaningless fluff out there and if the art you buy is just aesthetically appealing then chances are that at some point you're going to get bored with it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with beautiful art (far from it) but personally I look for something where the concept or history or message connects with me too. Question everything - The art market is one of the largest unregulated markets around and there are inevitably some people who sadly have ulterior motives. But, aside from that depressing point, art is very subjective so because someone thinks something is good or bad doesn't make it so, irrespective of how knowledgeable or experienced they may be; it's all about what the art does for you as an individual. Question everything and that includes everything I've typed ab ove! Oh, and enjoy the art. That's what it's all about!
ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORSHere is a fresh thread on a recurring topic. It may help a few art enthusiasts โ especially those thinking about starting a collection or those who've recently begun collecting. The title is clear. It's in upper case to make the thread easier to find and to offer a guise of permanence. Given the fluid nature of the forum, this topic has potential to be of regular interest as new members continue to join over the years. In the coming weeks, I'll be adding a fair amount. For reasons of consolidation and reader convenience (more than self-indulgence), this will include cutting and pasting some of my old posts. Despite being clinical or preachy, several of these past comments had advice-giving as an objective. I trust members will forgive any repetition. ----------- To start off, there follows a copy of the best single post I've seen on the subject. It was written by Feral Things in the tips wanted! thread: I know this thread is a little bit old now but for what it's worth my advice would be... Know your history - Knowing where str eet art has come from will give you a far better appreciation of the work being produced today and help you to differentiate the work which has some authenticity from the vacuous work that's just being hyped. Read Subway Art and The Faith of Graffiti, listen to Planet Rock and The Message, watch Style Wars and Beat Street. Books not prints - There's probably a fair chance that any prints bought when you first start collecting won't interest you after a year or so when you've got a much better idea about what you like. Books have the advantage that a) they'll give you far more insight into what an artist's work is all about when you're still finding your feet, b) they're a lot cheaper, and c) in 10 years time you're probably more likely to flick through the book on your shelf than you are to want the print on your wall. Buy what you love - Everyone ab ove has said this for a good reason! Don't buy for investment, don't buy because something is the flavour of the month and don't buy because you quite like something - buy because you love it and you're smitten. That's the work that you'll enjoy the most and that you'll want to stare at for years to come. Beauty and brains - Think of buying a piece of art as like getting married; you want someone that's funny, interesting and intelligent too and not someone that's just beautiful. There's plenty of meaningless fluff out there and if the art you buy is just aesthetically appealing then chances are that at some point you're going to get bored with it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with beautiful art (far from it) but personally I look for something where the concept or history or message connects with me too. Question everything - The art market is one of the largest unregulated markets around and there are inevitably some people who sadly have ulterior motives. But, aside from that depressing point, art is very subjective so because someone thinks something is good or bad doesn't make it so, irrespective of how knowledgeable or experienced they may be; it's all about what the art does for you as an individual. Question everything and that includes everything I've typed ab ove! Oh, and enjoy the art. That's what it's all about!
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by met on Aug 23, 2016 14:06:22 GMT 1, RESEARCH, RESEARCH FURTHER, AND CONTINUE TO RESEARCH, ALWAYS USING MULTIPLE SOURCES.
At the risk of stating the obvious, it's crucial to diversify one's sources of information.
This forum can offer a convenient introduction to a number of art-related matters. But keep in mind who the actual or likely contributors are. They might have vested interests. Their facts may be sketchy, misleading or plain wrong.
Relying solely or primarily on this forum โ or any other single platform for self-directed learning โ will lead to an art education both deficient and skewed. This in turn will be reflected in your collection. It's comparable to watching Fox News all day to gauge what's happening in the world. Complete ignorance is arguably better than a headful of data that includes half-truths and inaccuracies. At least those who know nothing are less likely to have a false sense of security about their grasp of a subject.
Alexander Pope offers a good reminder in An Essay on Criticism:
A little learning is a dang'rous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, And drinking largely sobers us again.
RESEARCH, RESEARCH FURTHER, AND CONTINUE TO RESEARCH, ALWAYS USING MULTIPLE SOURCES.
At the risk of stating the obvious, it's crucial to diversify one's sources of information.
This forum can offer a convenient introduction to a number of art-related matters. But keep in mind who the actual or likely contributors are. They might have vested interests. Their facts may be sketchy, misleading or plain wrong.
Relying solely or primarily on this forum โ or any other single platform for self-directed learning โ will lead to an art education both deficient and skewed. This in turn will be reflected in your collection. It's comparable to watching Fox News all day to gauge what's happening in the world. Complete ignorance is arguably better than a headful of data that includes half-truths and inaccuracies. At least those who know nothing are less likely to have a false sense of security about their grasp of a subject.
Alexander Pope offers a good reminder in An Essay on Criticism:
A little learning is a dang'rous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, And drinking largely sobers us again.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 14:12:17 GMT 1, Great thread.
- Find a good and reputable Framer. Don't get cheap now.
Great thread.
- Find a good and reputable Framer. Don't get cheap now.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Castle Gallery NI on Aug 23, 2016 14:25:06 GMT 1, If you've even the tinniest doubt niggling walk away, dont cut corners, take your time dont be rushed. And the one that comes up over and again, if its too good to be true it probably is.
If you've even the tinniest doubt niggling walk away, dont cut corners, take your time dont be rushed. And the one that comes up over and again, if its too good to be true it probably is.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by South Bound on Aug 23, 2016 15:26:49 GMT 1, I would like to add:
Patience is worth it.
I would like to add:
Patience is worth it.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Howard Johnson on Aug 23, 2016 16:52:41 GMT 1, These would be my tips for someone looking to amass a collection with an eye towards long term investment.
1. Set goals. Identify the pieces you'd ultimately like to own no matter how out of reach they may seem, budget accordingly, and make deals that get you closer to your dream collection.
2. Diversify. I've always thought an art collection is by far the best investment, you get to hang and enjoy artwork that improves your quality of life while hopefully making a buck in the long run. Diversify accordingly, and don't put all your eggs in one basket.
3. Don't follow the hype. Flavor of the month artists may seem like a smart buy due to chatter on this board are almost always overpriced due to this hype. If you must jump on the hype bandwagon, seek out small originals from the artist directly or their affiliated galleries.
4. Focus on education. The more you know, the more you appreciate the artwork you own and the history on how it came to exist. Also, the more you learn about art history the easier it is to identify the important artwork in the market.
5. Dont flip. Investing is fine, flipping is not. It may seem like an easy way to make a buck, but its frankly unethical. Set long term investing goals, and don't look to profit off your fellow collectors. If you don't like a piece you just purchased, offer it for cost.
6. Get a mentor. Your gonna f*ck up when you first start collecting. Everyone does. Make friends with experienced collectors and seek them out for advice.
7. Follow met. His frank brand of cynicism will guide you on the path toward enlightenment.
These would be my tips for someone looking to amass a collection with an eye towards long term investment. 1. Set goals. Identify the pieces you'd ultimately like to own no matter how out of reach they may seem, budget accordingly, and make deals that get you closer to your dream collection. 2. Diversify. I've always thought an art collection is by far the best investment, you get to hang and enjoy artwork that improves your quality of life while hopefully making a buck in the long run. Diversify accordingly, and don't put all your eggs in one basket. 3. Don't follow the hype. Flavor of the month artists may seem like a smart buy due to chatter on this board are almost always overpriced due to this hype. If you must jump on the hype bandwagon, seek out small originals from the artist directly or their affiliated galleries. 4. Focus on education. The more you know, the more you appreciate the artwork you own and the history on how it came to exist. Also, the more you learn about art history the easier it is to identify the important artwork in the market. 5. Dont flip. Investing is fine, flipping is not. It may seem like an easy way to make a buck, but its frankly unethical. Set long term investing goals, and don't look to profit off your fellow collectors. If you don't like a piece you just purchased, offer it for cost. 6. Get a mentor. Your gonna f*ck up when you first start collecting. Everyone does. Make friends with experienced collectors and seek them out for advice. 7. Follow met. His frank brand of cynicism will guide you on the path toward enlightenment.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Morfx on Aug 23, 2016 17:03:44 GMT 1, I would like to add: Patience is worth it.
Point 7..... Lol ๐
I would like to add: Patience is worth it. Point 7..... Lol ๐
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Harveyn on Aug 23, 2016 17:06:59 GMT 1, These would be my tips for someone looking to amass a collection with an eye towards long term investment. 1. Set goals. Identify the pieces you'd ultimately like to own no matter how out of reach they may seem, budget accordingly, and make deals that get you closer to your dream collection. 2. Diversify. I've always thought an art collection is by far the best investment, you get to hang and enjoy artwork that improves your quality of life while hopefully making a buck in the long run. Diversify accordingly, and don't put all your eggs in one basket. 3. Don't follow the hype. Flavor of the month artists may seem like a smart buy due to chatter on this board are almost always overpriced due to this hype. If you must jump on the hype bandwagon, seek out small originals from the artist directly or their affiliated galleries. 4. Focus on education. The more you know, the more you appreciate the artwork you own and the history on how it came to exist. Also, the more you learn about art history the easier it is to identify the important artwork in the market. 5. Dont flip. Investing is fine, flipping is not. It may seem like an easy way to make a buck, but its frankly unethical. Set long term investing goals, and don't look to profit off your fellow collectors. If you don't like a piece you just purchased, offer it for cost. 6. Get a mentor. Your gonna f*ck up when you first start collecting. Everyone does. Make friends with experienced collectors and seek them out for advice. 7. Follow met . His frank brand of cynicism will guide you on the path toward enlightenment.
8. Spend every last penny you have on art. You cannot take it with you and yours kids feet will grow out of those fancy trainers anyway .......
These would be my tips for someone looking to amass a collection with an eye towards long term investment. 1. Set goals. Identify the pieces you'd ultimately like to own no matter how out of reach they may seem, budget accordingly, and make deals that get you closer to your dream collection. 2. Diversify. I've always thought an art collection is by far the best investment, you get to hang and enjoy artwork that improves your quality of life while hopefully making a buck in the long run. Diversify accordingly, and don't put all your eggs in one basket. 3. Don't follow the hype. Flavor of the month artists may seem like a smart buy due to chatter on this board are almost always overpriced due to this hype. If you must jump on the hype bandwagon, seek out small originals from the artist directly or their affiliated galleries. 4. Focus on education. The more you know, the more you appreciate the artwork you own and the history on how it came to exist. Also, the more you learn about art history the easier it is to identify the important artwork in the market. 5. Dont flip. Investing is fine, flipping is not. It may seem like an easy way to make a buck, but its frankly unethical. Set long term investing goals, and don't look to profit off your fellow collectors. If you don't like a piece you just purchased, offer it for cost. 6. Get a mentor. Your gonna f*ck up when you first start collecting. Everyone does. Make friends with experienced collectors and seek them out for advice. 7. Follow met . His frank brand of cynicism will guide you on the path toward enlightenment.
8. Spend every last penny you have on art. You cannot take it with you and yours kids feet will grow out of those fancy trainers anyway .......
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by mla on Aug 23, 2016 17:19:29 GMT 1, 5. Dont flip. Investing is fine, flipping is not. It may seem like an easy way to make a buck, but its frankly unethical. Set long term investing goals, and don't look to profit off your fellow collectors. If you don't like a piece you just purchased, offer it for cost. Aside from the thread already beginning to contradict itself, I find this viewpoint interesting.
How long do I have to wait to profit on a particular piece of art for it to be considered ethical? 6 months? 1 year? more?
I don't really see a difference. It's the same action, just at different points in time. Even if you wait long enough to meet the criteria of whatever you consider an "investment", in the end, you're ultimately profiting off your fellow collectors.
5. Dont flip. Investing is fine, flipping is not. It may seem like an easy way to make a buck, but its frankly unethical. Set long term investing goals, and don't look to profit off your fellow collectors. If you don't like a piece you just purchased, offer it for cost. Aside from the thread already beginning to contradict itself, I find this viewpoint interesting. How long do I have to wait to profit on a particular piece of art for it to be considered ethical? 6 months? 1 year? more? I don't really see a difference. It's the same action, just at different points in time. Even if you wait long enough to meet the criteria of whatever you consider an "investment", in the end, you're ultimately profiting off your fellow collectors.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 17:19:31 GMT 1, Don't buy art you realistically can't afford. It'll be fun for the first month until you realise you're struggling to pay the rent/mortgage, bills etc...
Don't borrow money to buy a piece of art unless you are 100% confident you can comfortably pay it back
You'll end up being reminded every time you look at the art and end up resenting it.
Don't buy art you realistically can't afford. It'll be fun for the first month until you realise you're struggling to pay the rent/mortgage, bills etc...
Don't borrow money to buy a piece of art unless you are 100% confident you can comfortably pay it back
You'll end up being reminded every time you look at the art and end up resenting it.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Coach on Aug 23, 2016 17:30:58 GMT 1, 5. Dont flip. Investing is fine, flipping is not. It may seem like an easy way to make a buck, but its frankly unethical. Set long term investing goals, and don't look to profit off your fellow collectors. If you don't like a piece you just purchased, offer it for cost. Aside from the thread already beginning to contradict itself, I find this viewpoint interesting.ย How long do I have to wait to profit on a particular piece of art for it to be considered ethical? ย 6 months? 1 year? more?ย I don't really see a difference. ย It's the same action, just at different points in time. Even if you wait long enough to meet the criteria of whatever you consider an "investment", in the end, you're ultimately profiting off your fellow collectors. ย
My personal opinion is that it has nothing to do with time, and everything to do with intent when buying. That said, the former may be indicative of the later
5. Dont flip. Investing is fine, flipping is not. It may seem like an easy way to make a buck, but its frankly unethical. Set long term investing goals, and don't look to profit off your fellow collectors. If you don't like a piece you just purchased, offer it for cost. Aside from the thread already beginning to contradict itself, I find this viewpoint interesting.ย How long do I have to wait to profit on a particular piece of art for it to be considered ethical? ย 6 months? 1 year? more?ย I don't really see a difference. ย It's the same action, just at different points in time. Even if you wait long enough to meet the criteria of whatever you consider an "investment", in the end, you're ultimately profiting off your fellow collectors. ย My personal opinion is that it has nothing to do with time, and everything to do with intent when buying. That said, the former may be indicative of the later
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by mla on Aug 23, 2016 17:33:18 GMT 1, If one considers art an "investment" at the time of purchase, I think the intent is rather clear.
If one considers art an "investment" at the time of purchase, I think the intent is rather clear.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Black Apple Art on Aug 23, 2016 17:33:57 GMT 1, This mostly applies to higher value works and or Banksy artwork and IMO are important things to remember when collecting prints or artwork of significant value, especially for new collectors.
1) Always ask that a piece be de-framed and always view the back of the artwork in person or get detailed pictures regardless of how many times you are told it is "perfect" or "mint". This should be done if buying from a gallery, dealer or private sale. I can't stress this point enough and can not count how many times I have seen people, including myself, get prints that were assured to be "mint" that were in fact never even inspected at all or had damage intentionally hidden. Sadly I've seen this happen just as often from "galleries" as private sales, so have this done regardless of the source.
2) Make sure to see at least a picture of the COA before funds are exchanged.
3) Just if not more important than 1 & 2 - Know who you are dealing with. Yes, there will be times that deals may be found from new or unknown sellers but since this is addressing "new collectors", I'd advise getting a feel for things and the market by buying only from reputable and verified sellers to start. This will greatly reduce the chance of a deal going sour and should leave the option of returning your purchase for a refund if for some reason you do not get what was promised with little or no issues.
4) Last but definitely not least - Make sure your purchases are insured if being shipped. If buying from a gallery, confirm and verify with them that your purchase will be insured in transit. If buying from a private party make sure between both sides the piece is insured for full value buy the courier or by your own policy.
This mostly applies to higher value works and or Banksy artwork and IMO are important things to remember when collecting prints or artwork of significant value, especially for new collectors.
1) Always ask that a piece be de-framed and always view the back of the artwork in person or get detailed pictures regardless of how many times you are told it is "perfect" or "mint". This should be done if buying from a gallery, dealer or private sale. I can't stress this point enough and can not count how many times I have seen people, including myself, get prints that were assured to be "mint" that were in fact never even inspected at all or had damage intentionally hidden. Sadly I've seen this happen just as often from "galleries" as private sales, so have this done regardless of the source.
2) Make sure to see at least a picture of the COA before funds are exchanged.
3) Just if not more important than 1 & 2 - Know who you are dealing with. Yes, there will be times that deals may be found from new or unknown sellers but since this is addressing "new collectors", I'd advise getting a feel for things and the market by buying only from reputable and verified sellers to start. This will greatly reduce the chance of a deal going sour and should leave the option of returning your purchase for a refund if for some reason you do not get what was promised with little or no issues.
4) Last but definitely not least - Make sure your purchases are insured if being shipped. If buying from a gallery, confirm and verify with them that your purchase will be insured in transit. If buying from a private party make sure between both sides the piece is insured for full value buy the courier or by your own policy.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Howard Johnson on Aug 23, 2016 17:43:11 GMT 1, Mla you bring up a good point. My suggestion had to do with the immediate flip of new releases. I think 6 months to a year is an appropriate time to wait for resale, but obviously opinions will vary. I don't believe that resale down the line is the same as an immediate flip, a later resale rewards smart investing, an immediate flip hurts collectors who would like to buy at an initial price point. I fully reolize my opinion is inherently contradictory.
Mla you bring up a good point. My suggestion had to do with the immediate flip of new releases. I think 6 months to a year is an appropriate time to wait for resale, but obviously opinions will vary. I don't believe that resale down the line is the same as an immediate flip, a later resale rewards smart investing, an immediate flip hurts collectors who would like to buy at an initial price point. I fully reolize my opinion is inherently contradictory.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by darrenrapley on Aug 23, 2016 18:22:05 GMT 1, Someone more intelligent than me, probably from this forum, once told me that buying art should hurt.
Be inquisitive. For example, Nick Smith's 'A Bigger Splash' (a few of you will know why I mention this right now) is, as most of us know, based on another piece by another artist. Learn about how the art we desperately F5 for was conceived. We (mostly) all want a Harland Miller, but he is not unique, nor original. There are some very good, similar pieces out there. Poppi has just released a stunner, IMO.
And if you do have a go at flipping a piece... you never really make that much profit. Therefore only buy what.... well, you know the rest.
Someone more intelligent than me, probably from this forum, once told me that buying art should hurt.
Be inquisitive. For example, Nick Smith's 'A Bigger Splash' (a few of you will know why I mention this right now) is, as most of us know, based on another piece by another artist. Learn about how the art we desperately F5 for was conceived. We (mostly) all want a Harland Miller, but he is not unique, nor original. There are some very good, similar pieces out there. Poppi has just released a stunner, IMO.
And if you do have a go at flipping a piece... you never really make that much profit. Therefore only buy what.... well, you know the rest.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by darrenrapley on Aug 23, 2016 18:26:20 GMT 1, And a quick example of buying what you like. My avatar is from an original I picked up from Danny O'Conner. He went through a phase of being pretty popular. He's gone a bit quiet now. I paid ยฃ200 for it. What's it worth now? Not sure. Maybe ยฃ500, or maybe ยฃ50. I couldn't give a s**t. I like it; it makes me happy.
And a quick example of buying what you like. My avatar is from an original I picked up from Danny O'Conner. He went through a phase of being pretty popular. He's gone a bit quiet now. I paid ยฃ200 for it. What's it worth now? Not sure. Maybe ยฃ500, or maybe ยฃ50. I couldn't give a s**t. I like it; it makes me happy.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Aug 23, 2016 20:55:42 GMT 1, My main rule - it's important to me not to pay more than cost for a piece, it's more satisfying and the prints are always mint when bought from source (If not send them back). I have built up a nice collection over the years and yes I have missed out on a few 'I really liked', but no chance I would pay double etc. for that said print, I just move on and wait for next..
Depends how much you have to spend but save for an original as it's been said already framing a decent print adds up also.
Lastly you will quickly learn on the hype that gathers on this forum about some releases or new artists, everyone has a different agenda and members will be here hyping etc..if you don't like the image don't go for it.
My main rule - it's important to me not to pay more than cost for a piece, it's more satisfying and the prints are always mint when bought from source (If not send them back). I have built up a nice collection over the years and yes I have missed out on a few 'I really liked', but no chance I would pay double etc. for that said print, I just move on and wait for next..
Depends how much you have to spend but save for an original as it's been said already framing a decent print adds up also.
Lastly you will quickly learn on the hype that gathers on this forum about some releases or new artists, everyone has a different agenda and members will be here hyping etc..if you don't like the image don't go for it.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by pippyt75 on Aug 23, 2016 23:02:30 GMT 1, Kind of reiterating what's said but find an up and coming artist that you LOVE and buy an original if you can. You can get lovely stuff relatively cheaply from folk who haven't "made it" yet. As long as the price doesn't make you sweat you'll get a ton of pleasure from it. If you're in it for the cash however then you probably already know what prints to buy but it won't be so rewarding.
Kind of reiterating what's said but find an up and coming artist that you LOVE and buy an original if you can. You can get lovely stuff relatively cheaply from folk who haven't "made it" yet. As long as the price doesn't make you sweat you'll get a ton of pleasure from it. If you're in it for the cash however then you probably already know what prints to buy but it won't be so rewarding.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Kawsisking on Aug 24, 2016 15:55:38 GMT 1, Don't buy into the hype. By what you will be happy living with even if it doesn't appreciate in value over time.
Don't buy into the hype. By what you will be happy living with even if it doesn't appreciate in value over time.
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South Bound
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by South Bound on Aug 25, 2016 0:20:58 GMT 1, Never bought from thinkspace, but that would be enough for me to walk away.
Never bought from thinkspace, but that would be enough for me to walk away.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by nobokov on Aug 25, 2016 1:12:55 GMT 1, Never bought from thinkspace, but that would be enough for me to walk away. Thanks bales
Never bought from thinkspace, but that would be enough for me to walk away. Thanks bales
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Ottomatik on Aug 25, 2016 1:48:53 GMT 1, I know Thinkspace had a show open this past Weekend. With print releases at the show and released today, online.
Being the gallery director, I'm sure he has been overwhelmed the past 10 days setting the show up, hanging the pieces, making sure the prints arrived, and dealing with the artist. (As it was a 2 person show, double all of the above.)
Knowing this, I'd send a gentle reminder email.
Disclaimer: I've purchased many items from Thinkspace, and I've never had a negative experience.
I know Thinkspace had a show open this past Weekend. With print releases at the show and released today, online.
Being the gallery director, I'm sure he has been overwhelmed the past 10 days setting the show up, hanging the pieces, making sure the prints arrived, and dealing with the artist. (As it was a 2 person show, double all of the above.)
Knowing this, I'd send a gentle reminder email.
Disclaimer: I've purchased many items from Thinkspace, and I've never had a negative experience.
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smokinfish
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May 2016
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by smokinfish on Aug 25, 2016 2:19:42 GMT 1, Always ask how the piece will be packaged in detail. Don't assume that everyone knows how to package prints. If your not satisfied with the sellers packaging choices, offer to ship the seller the proper shipping materials.
Always ask how the piece will be packaged in detail. Don't assume that everyone knows how to package prints. If your not satisfied with the sellers packaging choices, offer to ship the seller the proper shipping materials.
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smokinfish
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May 2016
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by smokinfish on Aug 25, 2016 2:32:10 GMT 1, It kills me to be missing out on a Whatson piece, but after this experience, I'm not sure I want to hand over the 4th largest payment in my lifetime to someone who can't even return an email. Has anyone else had a similar experience? I had a similar experience with a print in Japan during a show opening. I started communications at the end of July and just yesterday August 23rd I sealed the deal. The whole time it was on and off. I figure they are very busy with the openings and was happy to wait it out. I just kept emailing every few days stating that I hadn't received an invoice yet, but I was still interested.
Thinkspace has a phone number you might try calling them. I was having problems getting an invoice for piece I bought online in the uk, so I contacted them on facebook and then called them. I got a response both ways and now I have my piece.
Something I wouldn't do is post about a piece that I had not sealed the deal on for fear of someone sniping it from me. jk Good Luck!
It kills me to be missing out on a Whatson piece, but after this experience, I'm not sure I want to hand over the 4th largest payment in my lifetime to someone who can't even return an email. Has anyone else had a similar experience? I had a similar experience with a print in Japan during a show opening. I started communications at the end of July and just yesterday August 23rd I sealed the deal. The whole time it was on and off. I figure they are very busy with the openings and was happy to wait it out. I just kept emailing every few days stating that I hadn't received an invoice yet, but I was still interested. Thinkspace has a phone number you might try calling them. I was having problems getting an invoice for piece I bought online in the uk, so I contacted them on facebook and then called them. I got a response both ways and now I have my piece. Something I wouldn't do is post about a piece that I had not sealed the deal on for fear of someone sniping it from me. jk Good Luck!
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nobokov
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February 2016
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by nobokov on Aug 25, 2016 3:02:57 GMT 1, I had a similar experience with a print in Japan during a show opening. I started communications at the end of July and just yesterday August 23rd I sealed the deal. The whole time it was on and off. I figure they are very busy with the openings and was happy to wait it out. I just kept emailing every few days stating that I hadn't received an invoice yet, but I was still interested. Thinkspace has a phone number you might try calling them. I was having problems getting an invoice for piece I bought online in the uk, so I contacted them on facebook and then called them. I got a response both ways and now I have my piece. Something I wouldn't do is post about a piece that I had not sealed the deal on for fear of someone sniping it from me. jk Good Luck! Thanks everyone for your input! Im absolutely new to everything and your feedback really helped me to understand the gallery side of things a bit more. Hopefully when things settle down they'll be able to reply...
I had a similar experience with a print in Japan during a show opening. I started communications at the end of July and just yesterday August 23rd I sealed the deal. The whole time it was on and off. I figure they are very busy with the openings and was happy to wait it out. I just kept emailing every few days stating that I hadn't received an invoice yet, but I was still interested. Thinkspace has a phone number you might try calling them. I was having problems getting an invoice for piece I bought online in the uk, so I contacted them on facebook and then called them. I got a response both ways and now I have my piece. Something I wouldn't do is post about a piece that I had not sealed the deal on for fear of someone sniping it from me. jk Good Luck! Thanks everyone for your input! Im absolutely new to everything and your feedback really helped me to understand the gallery side of things a bit more. Hopefully when things settle down they'll be able to reply...
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sonmi451
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August 2016
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by sonmi451 on Aug 25, 2016 5:03:24 GMT 1, This is a great thread guys... Thanks you!
This is a great thread guys... Thanks you!
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sakyamuni
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July 2009
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by sakyamuni on Aug 25, 2016 7:57:13 GMT 1, I have purchased several times at thinkspace (and think about doing it once more soon...) and i never had a bad experience. I also experienced this kind of delays once, in similar circumstances (gallery opening + collab show on a short period of time, which is what is happening now with the LAX/ORD show) but everything went fine. If the owner said you're all set, there is nothing to worry about and you will receive your purchase.
I have purchased several times at thinkspace (and think about doing it once more soon...) and i never had a bad experience. I also experienced this kind of delays once, in similar circumstances (gallery opening + collab show on a short period of time, which is what is happening now with the LAX/ORD show) but everything went fine. If the owner said you're all set, there is nothing to worry about and you will receive your purchase.
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kendo
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August 2010
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by kendo on Aug 25, 2016 9:17:52 GMT 1, As tempting as it might be (to save money), donโt cut corners when it comes to shipping - do it properly and always have it fully insured. There is nothing worse than spending time, money and effort to secure your piece for it to turn up damaged โ that nervous moment when you first inspect a piece never goes away!
Also, if buying an original from outside the EU, ensure that the correct commodity code is applied so any import tax / VAT is reduced from 20% to 5%. More info here
Last but not least, buy what you like and ask loads of questions.
As tempting as it might be (to save money), donโt cut corners when it comes to shipping - do it properly and always have it fully insured. There is nothing worse than spending time, money and effort to secure your piece for it to turn up damaged โ that nervous moment when you first inspect a piece never goes away! Also, if buying an original from outside the EU, ensure that the correct commodity code is applied so any import tax / VAT is reduced from 20% to 5%. More info here
Last but not least, buy what you like and ask loads of questions.
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Viking Surfer
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February 2015
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Viking Surfer on Aug 25, 2016 11:45:08 GMT 1, Great thread. - Find a good and reputable Framer. Don't get cheap now. This.
Quality is everything, don't skimp on a frame.
Great thread. - Find a good and reputable Framer. Don't get cheap now. This. Quality is everything, don't skimp on a frame.
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Viking Surfer
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February 2015
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by Viking Surfer on Aug 25, 2016 11:48:16 GMT 1, Great thread.
A few points:
1. Go for quality over quantity. A few prints are great now, but if you can collect an OG and its within your means (see point #2) go for it.
2. Collect within your means - Don't over exert yourself or put anyone at risk chasing the latest fad. 3. Do not be afraid to ask questions - Ask, ask, ask away. Knowledge is everything and most members would love to take the time to help and guide you.
4. Collect what you love - If you do this, you can never go wrong. Art is like a human being, sometimes it speaks to you, other times it does not. Choose the art work that resonates with you.
5. Sleep on it. If you're unsure about a work, sleep on it, never feel rushed.
****6. ALWAYS ASK FOR A CONDITION REPORT. - It blows me away that so many people collect art from auctions / dealers and never ask for a condition report. Seriously, due diligence people.
7. Enjoy the journey - Art for me is as much about the journey as the actual acquisition itself. UAA provides a great platform to share your passion with like minded people from around the world. It's not just about buying a print, it's engaging with another collector. More often than not you'll forge a lifelong friendship in the process.
Great thread.
A few points:
1. Go for quality over quantity. A few prints are great now, but if you can collect an OG and its within your means (see point #2) go for it.
2. Collect within your means - Don't over exert yourself or put anyone at risk chasing the latest fad. 3. Do not be afraid to ask questions - Ask, ask, ask away. Knowledge is everything and most members would love to take the time to help and guide you.
4. Collect what you love - If you do this, you can never go wrong. Art is like a human being, sometimes it speaks to you, other times it does not. Choose the art work that resonates with you.
5. Sleep on it. If you're unsure about a work, sleep on it, never feel rushed.
****6. ALWAYS ASK FOR A CONDITION REPORT. - It blows me away that so many people collect art from auctions / dealers and never ask for a condition report. Seriously, due diligence people.
7. Enjoy the journey - Art for me is as much about the journey as the actual acquisition itself. UAA provides a great platform to share your passion with like minded people from around the world. It's not just about buying a print, it's engaging with another collector. More often than not you'll forge a lifelong friendship in the process.
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