duggyfresh
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by duggyfresh on Dec 16, 2016 10:28:17 GMT 1, Flipping of recent releases on this forum seems to be more and more prevalent. Members with a low post count get a real roasting, but there now seems to be longer standing members doing it with less flack. I've always accepted that it happens, but at one point people respected the forum and flipped on eBay only. I'm not condoning it, but is time to accept it and save getting worked up about it, as it's worse than ever and not going to go away. Oh it also seems flipping prints is like the trainer flipping game.
Flipping of recent releases on this forum seems to be more and more prevalent. Members with a low post count get a real roasting, but there now seems to be longer standing members doing it with less flack. I've always accepted that it happens, but at one point people respected the forum and flipped on eBay only. I'm not condoning it, but is time to accept it and save getting worked up about it, as it's worse than ever and not going to go away. Oh it also seems flipping prints is like the trainer flipping game.
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ferg
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by ferg on Dec 16, 2016 10:37:48 GMT 1, Yes if it's 6. Months plus after purchase and then a limitation to the mark up per year after that if not go to Ebay just a suggestion Ferg
Yes if it's 6. Months plus after purchase and then a limitation to the mark up per year after that if not go to Ebay just a suggestion Ferg
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by SturbanHasSaggyTits on Dec 16, 2016 10:46:04 GMT 1, Yes if it's 6. Months plus after purchase and then a limitation to the mark up per year after that if not go to Ebay just a suggestion Ferg
Agree with the minimum 6 months from a release date. It's getting tedious seeing the amount of quick flips here. Can't see it happening though as Mr Silk seems happy with the way things are.
Yes if it's 6. Months plus after purchase and then a limitation to the mark up per year after that if not go to Ebay just a suggestion Ferg Agree with the minimum 6 months from a release date. It's getting tedious seeing the amount of quick flips here. Can't see it happening though as Mr Silk seems happy with the way things are. |
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duggyfresh
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by duggyfresh on Dec 16, 2016 10:57:43 GMT 1, The six months thing was a bit of a gentleman's agreement on here and it was fine. But the fact that well established member aren't adhering to this is the issue now.
The six months thing was a bit of a gentleman's agreement on here and it was fine. But the fact that well established member aren't adhering to this is the issue now.
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by SturbanHasSaggyTits on Dec 16, 2016 11:03:41 GMT 1, The six months thing was a bit of a gentleman's agreement on here and it was fine. But the fact that well established member aren't adhering to this is the issue now.
Yes, also it seems people turn a blind eye to the longer standing members, but happy to slate the newbies.
The six months thing was a bit of a gentleman's agreement on here and it was fine. But the fact that well established member aren't adhering to this is the issue now. Yes, also it seems people turn a blind eye to the longer standing members, but happy to slate the newbies. |
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Hubble Bubble
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Hubble Bubble on Dec 16, 2016 11:09:11 GMT 1, Flip away.
Never really bothered me that much.
Flip away.
Never really bothered me that much.
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iamzero
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by iamzero on Dec 16, 2016 11:42:13 GMT 1, The flipping of prints used to annoy me in the beginning purely out of frustration at not getting a print I wanted to frame but have accepted it as part of the game now.
The flipping of prints used to annoy me in the beginning purely out of frustration at not getting a print I wanted to frame but have accepted it as part of the game now.
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lollo88
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by lollo88 on Dec 16, 2016 11:50:56 GMT 1, I agree on the "let's not be nahive" part of the game, but the Whole idea of this forum is that it shouldn't be happening here 2 days after release.
The example should be made by the most "veterans" ones on this forum, but it seems nobody really cares anymore.
To be honest it is something that really bothers me and my suggestion would be to keep sales thread, especially from very new members, more under control to set some rules straight.
I agree on the "let's not be nahive" part of the game, but the Whole idea of this forum is that it shouldn't be happening here 2 days after release.
The example should be made by the most "veterans" ones on this forum, but it seems nobody really cares anymore.
To be honest it is something that really bothers me and my suggestion would be to keep sales thread, especially from very new members, more under control to set some rules straight.
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Happy Shopper on Dec 16, 2016 11:58:54 GMT 1, Of course people might sometimes buy to sell, but they should be ashamed to come on here and sell before they've even received it.
It shows a clear disrespect to other members to just try to resell a print for profit with no intension of ever keeping it.
Of course people might sometimes buy to sell, but they should be ashamed to come on here and sell before they've even received it.
It shows a clear disrespect to other members to just try to resell a print for profit with no intension of ever keeping it.
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klyde
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by klyde on Dec 16, 2016 12:21:33 GMT 1, If you really want something like limited editions that are likely to sell out, then my opinion is you have to work for it.
Get as much info as possible.
Follow artists and galleries on twitter etc.
Look at other chat forums.
Get your internet connection and computer in order.
Make use of website monitoring aps for page changes.
Be ready and make time for it.
Make use of bots if you want.
It’s all on google so really not difficult.
Don’t sit back and think everything will be fine. It takes effort.
Also, I never buy anything unless I’m planning to frame and hang it.
If you keep it in a folder or tube for any period, then sell for a profit. Then you flipped it.
Doesn’t really bother me.
If you really want something like limited editions that are likely to sell out, then my opinion is you have to work for it.
Get as much info as possible.
Follow artists and galleries on twitter etc.
Look at other chat forums.
Get your internet connection and computer in order.
Make use of website monitoring aps for page changes.
Be ready and make time for it.
Make use of bots if you want.
It’s all on google so really not difficult.
Don’t sit back and think everything will be fine. It takes effort.
Also, I never buy anything unless I’m planning to frame and hang it.
If you keep it in a folder or tube for any period, then sell for a profit. Then you flipped it.
Doesn’t really bother me.
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Jaylove
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Jaylove on Dec 16, 2016 12:43:37 GMT 1, I'm new to the party but have ben on other forums where this happens. I don't mind "flipping" if the price is virtually the same. But for those who want to gouge, let them go on Ebay.
I'm new to the party but have ben on other forums where this happens. I don't mind "flipping" if the price is virtually the same. But for those who want to gouge, let them go on Ebay.
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john4444
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by john4444 on Dec 16, 2016 12:46:45 GMT 1, Somene wants to sell, someone wants to buy, so what?
So long as the involved parties are happy let them get on with it....
Somene wants to sell, someone wants to buy, so what?
So long as the involved parties are happy let them get on with it....
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South Bound
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by South Bound on Dec 16, 2016 13:06:52 GMT 1, I used to care, I don't anymore. I neither flip nor buy flipped prints.
I used to care, I don't anymore. I neither flip nor buy flipped prints.
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Dr Plip
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Dr Plip on Dec 16, 2016 13:18:17 GMT 1, On the one hand you could argue that a blatant flipper deserves to get verbal flak for trying to make money out of someone's passion or interests. I mean, if you're a fan trying buy at cost, they're literally working against you. That must feel crappy.
On the other hand you could argue that flippers provide a service for the more affluent members that don't care to sit refreshing their computer or to queue outside to pick up a new print or toy. Some members might be very happy to pay someone a fee so that they can avoid all that nonsense. Must be nice to have money.
And on the other hand, it's easy to demonise people for doing something you disagree with, but we probably won't know their personal circumstances. Perhaps they flip to pay for cocaine or perhaps they flip to pay for shoes or perhaps they flip to pay for healthcare? We rarely get to know the kind of life that other members are living. Mostly for safety.
I had another point but I've forgotten it.
Edit: Oh, that was it. Is it just my imagination or have people started to purchase things in order to use them as trades more than they used to? It feels like a new thing for people to buy prints they don't really want, but they will use it to swap for something they do want.
On the one hand you could argue that a blatant flipper deserves to get verbal flak for trying to make money out of someone's passion or interests. I mean, if you're a fan trying buy at cost, they're literally working against you. That must feel crappy.
On the other hand you could argue that flippers provide a service for the more affluent members that don't care to sit refreshing their computer or to queue outside to pick up a new print or toy. Some members might be very happy to pay someone a fee so that they can avoid all that nonsense. Must be nice to have money.
And on the other hand, it's easy to demonise people for doing something you disagree with, but we probably won't know their personal circumstances. Perhaps they flip to pay for cocaine or perhaps they flip to pay for shoes or perhaps they flip to pay for healthcare? We rarely get to know the kind of life that other members are living. Mostly for safety.
I had another point but I've forgotten it.
Edit: Oh, that was it. Is it just my imagination or have people started to purchase things in order to use them as trades more than they used to? It feels like a new thing for people to buy prints they don't really want, but they will use it to swap for something they do want. |
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Coach on Dec 16, 2016 13:21:30 GMT 1, I remain of the view that flipping, which in my mind means selling art quickly after release, for a profit, where there was never any intention to do otherwise, is parasitical. It's making a profit from the creativity of the artist. It deprives other collectors who want to buy to hang from buying at release price, many of whom may not be able to afford flipper prices.
I am not niave. I know it can't be stopped. But I don't think it should be accepted on here. It never has been. It will damage what's left of the integrity of this forum if that changes. Off to eBay with you!
If this is now a minority view, shame, but so be it. My opinion remains the same.
I remain of the view that flipping, which in my mind means selling art quickly after release, for a profit, where there was never any intention to do otherwise, is parasitical. It's making a profit from the creativity of the artist. It deprives other collectors who want to buy to hang from buying at release price, many of whom may not be able to afford flipper prices.
I am not niave. I know it can't be stopped. But I don't think it should be accepted on here. It never has been. It will damage what's left of the integrity of this forum if that changes. Off to eBay with you!
If this is now a minority view, shame, but so be it. My opinion remains the same.
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Happy Shopper on Dec 16, 2016 13:25:03 GMT 1,
Edit: Oh, that was it. Is it just my imagination or have people started to purchase things in order to use them as trades more than they used to? It feels like a new thing for people to buy prints they don't really want, but they will use it to swap for something they do want.
Seen it a lot recently too!
I think it's always happened, but 9 times out of 10 what they want to trade is unrealistic.
Edit: Oh, that was it. Is it just my imagination or have people started to purchase things in order to use them as trades more than they used to? It feels like a new thing for people to buy prints they don't really want, but they will use it to swap for something they do want. Seen it a lot recently too! I think it's always happened, but 9 times out of 10 what they want to trade is unrealistic. |
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Dr Plip
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Dr Plip on Dec 16, 2016 13:30:02 GMT 1,
Edit: Oh, that was it. Is it just my imagination or have people started to purchase things in order to use them as trades more than they used to? It feels like a new thing for people to buy prints they don't really want, but they will use it to swap for something they do want. Seen it a lot recently too! I think it's always happened, but 9 times out of 10 what they want to trade is unrealistic.
Edit: Oh, that was it. Is it just my imagination or have people started to purchase things in order to use them as trades more than they used to? It feels like a new thing for people to buy prints they don't really want, but they will use it to swap for something they do want. Seen it a lot recently too! I think it's always happened, but 9 times out of 10 what they want to trade is unrealistic. It's like they're taking a print hostage. |
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Forbidden Love
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Forbidden Love on Dec 16, 2016 13:34:31 GMT 1, I remember I nearly missed out on a dran i love you because I couldnt find it on the secondary market, small edition number etc.
So when people hope they just go to collectors hands sometimes it puts other people who wouldn't mind paying a inflated price not a chance to own one.
either way there are people who will miss out of a sell out edition - so there will always be a sour taste left.
I don't think it makes a difference whether its flipped or not. if you miss out on cost of something you really wanted then it doesn't make much difference whether its flipped or not.
if you could get everything you wanted then it would be boring, the chase is part of the fun.
I remember I nearly missed out on a dran i love you because I couldnt find it on the secondary market, small edition number etc.
So when people hope they just go to collectors hands sometimes it puts other people who wouldn't mind paying a inflated price not a chance to own one.
either way there are people who will miss out of a sell out edition - so there will always be a sour taste left.
I don't think it makes a difference whether its flipped or not. if you miss out on cost of something you really wanted then it doesn't make much difference whether its flipped or not.
if you could get everything you wanted then it would be boring, the chase is part of the fun.
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laurentbaboo
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by laurentbaboo on Dec 16, 2016 13:47:38 GMT 1, On the one hand you could argue that a blatant flipper deserves to get verbal flak for trying to make money out of someone's passion or interests. I mean, if you're a fan trying buy at cost, they're literally working against you. That must feel crappy.
On the other hand you could argue that flippers provide a service for the more affluent members that don't care to sit refreshing their computer or to queue outside to pick up a new print or toy. Some members might be very happy to pay someone a fee so that they can avoid all that nonsense. Must be nice to have money.
And on the other hand, it's easy to demonise people for doing something you disagree with, but we probably won't know their personal circumstances. Perhaps they flip to pay for cocaine or perhaps they flip to pay for shoes or perhaps they flip to pay for healthcare? We rarely get to know the kind of life that other members are living. Mostly for safety.
I had another point but I've forgotten it.
Edit: Oh, that was it. Is it just my imagination or have people started to purchase things in order to use them as trades more than they used to? It feels like a new thing for people to buy prints they don't really want, but they will use it to swap for something they do want.
How many hands have you got Dr?
On the one hand you could argue that a blatant flipper deserves to get verbal flak for trying to make money out of someone's passion or interests. I mean, if you're a fan trying buy at cost, they're literally working against you. That must feel crappy.
On the other hand you could argue that flippers provide a service for the more affluent members that don't care to sit refreshing their computer or to queue outside to pick up a new print or toy. Some members might be very happy to pay someone a fee so that they can avoid all that nonsense. Must be nice to have money.
And on the other hand, it's easy to demonise people for doing something you disagree with, but we probably won't know their personal circumstances. Perhaps they flip to pay for cocaine or perhaps they flip to pay for shoes or perhaps they flip to pay for healthcare? We rarely get to know the kind of life that other members are living. Mostly for safety.
I had another point but I've forgotten it.
Edit: Oh, that was it. Is it just my imagination or have people started to purchase things in order to use them as trades more than they used to? It feels like a new thing for people to buy prints they don't really want, but they will use it to swap for something they do want. How many hands have you got Dr? |
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Dr Plip
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Dr Plip on Dec 16, 2016 13:54:18 GMT 1, On the one hand you could argue that a blatant flipper deserves to get verbal flak for trying to make money out of someone's passion or interests. I mean, if you're a fan trying buy at cost, they're literally working against you. That must feel crappy.
On the other hand you could argue that flippers provide a service for the more affluent members that don't care to sit refreshing their computer or to queue outside to pick up a new print or toy. Some members might be very happy to pay someone a fee so that they can avoid all that nonsense. Must be nice to have money.
And on the other hand, it's easy to demonise people for doing something you disagree with, but we probably won't know their personal circumstances. Perhaps they flip to pay for cocaine or perhaps they flip to pay for shoes or perhaps they flip to pay for healthcare? We rarely get to know the kind of life that other members are living. Mostly for safety.
I had another point but I've forgotten it.
Edit: Oh, that was it. Is it just my imagination or have people started to purchase things in order to use them as trades more than they used to? It feels like a new thing for people to buy prints they don't really want, but they will use it to swap for something they do want. How many hands have you got Dr? 
On the one hand you could argue that a blatant flipper deserves to get verbal flak for trying to make money out of someone's passion or interests. I mean, if you're a fan trying buy at cost, they're literally working against you. That must feel crappy.
On the other hand you could argue that flippers provide a service for the more affluent members that don't care to sit refreshing their computer or to queue outside to pick up a new print or toy. Some members might be very happy to pay someone a fee so that they can avoid all that nonsense. Must be nice to have money.
And on the other hand, it's easy to demonise people for doing something you disagree with, but we probably won't know their personal circumstances. Perhaps they flip to pay for cocaine or perhaps they flip to pay for shoes or perhaps they flip to pay for healthcare? We rarely get to know the kind of life that other members are living. Mostly for safety.
I had another point but I've forgotten it.
Edit: Oh, that was it. Is it just my imagination or have people started to purchase things in order to use them as trades more than they used to? It feels like a new thing for people to buy prints they don't really want, but they will use it to swap for something they do want. How many hands have you got Dr? |
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Dec 16, 2016 13:59:16 GMT 1, It's part of the game, some are honest about it which stirs things but the majority do it.
It's part of the game, some are honest about it which stirs things but the majority do it.
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balibob
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by balibob on Dec 16, 2016 14:05:09 GMT 1, Its just about impossible to stop, its a shame that it upsets a lot of people though.
Its just about impossible to stop, its a shame that it upsets a lot of people though.
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freezy
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by freezy on Dec 16, 2016 14:18:46 GMT 1, It's a free market economy. Things are only worth what someone is willing to pay. People have the right to sell their property at any point in time. If the price is too high or you have moral objections...don't pay.
It's a free market economy. Things are only worth what someone is willing to pay. People have the right to sell their property at any point in time. If the price is too high or you have moral objections...don't pay.
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duggyfresh
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by duggyfresh on Dec 16, 2016 14:21:42 GMT 1, I'm not referring to flipping as whole, just on this forum.
I'm not referring to flipping as whole, just on this forum.
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by loother on Dec 16, 2016 14:33:16 GMT 1, I'm entirely with Coach on this one. The way releases are often conducted means that there will always be some people who will buy in case they like a print when it arrives, rather than in certainty. This is the perfect forum for those who regret their decision to pass a print on at cost, or cost plus p&p, to another collector.
Many people also buy prints with the intention of selling, immediately or at a later date, at a profit. This is understandable, but I think it is detrimental to this forum for one member to prevent another from buying a print that they would like to frame and keep simply so they can later enrich themselves at the other member's expense. If a member would like to sell prints at a profit, other places exist for them to do so.
I'm entirely with Coach on this one. The way releases are often conducted means that there will always be some people who will buy in case they like a print when it arrives, rather than in certainty. This is the perfect forum for those who regret their decision to pass a print on at cost, or cost plus p&p, to another collector. Many people also buy prints with the intention of selling, immediately or at a later date, at a profit. This is understandable, but I think it is detrimental to this forum for one member to prevent another from buying a print that they would like to frame and keep simply so they can later enrich themselves at the other member's expense. If a member would like to sell prints at a profit, other places exist for them to do so. |
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by John The Badgers on Dec 16, 2016 14:45:07 GMT 1, I also agree that although it cant be stopped, it is slightly annoying to see them advertised on this Forum so quickly after release. Understand all the views, but surely the 6 month ban would do no harm? Perhaps off on a tangent, but could this Forum charge for these sales ad's if within a certain time frame of release? Revenues then to a charity? I dunno, but certainly something that can be addressed.
I also agree that although it cant be stopped, it is slightly annoying to see them advertised on this Forum so quickly after release. Understand all the views, but surely the 6 month ban would do no harm? Perhaps off on a tangent, but could this Forum charge for these sales ad's if within a certain time frame of release? Revenues then to a charity? I dunno, but certainly something that can be addressed.
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Someones Brain on Dec 16, 2016 14:56:45 GMT 1, I'm not referring to flipping as whole, ...
Neither do I. I refer to a flipper as asshole. ;-) (Sorry, couldn't resist the playing with words.)
I'm not referring to flipping as whole, ... Neither do I. I refer to a flipper as asshole. ;-) (Sorry, couldn't resist the playing with words.) |
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Coach on Dec 16, 2016 15:09:43 GMT 1, It's a free market economy. Things are only worth what someone is willing to pay. People have the right to sell their property at any point in time. If the price is too high or you have moral objections...don't pay.
I don't disagree. I just don't think they should flip on here. Take it to eBay. Don't rub it in the faces of those that were unlucky.
It's a free market economy. Things are only worth what someone is willing to pay. People have the right to sell their property at any point in time. If the price is too high or you have moral objections...don't pay. I don't disagree. I just don't think they should flip on here. Take it to eBay. Don't rub it in the faces of those that were unlucky. |
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by fairplay1974 on Dec 16, 2016 15:10:30 GMT 1, They're are bigger things to be worried about and get motivated over than flippers on this forum... Dealing with flipping if you don't like it is easy - ignore the threads, don't buy from them and just accept that this type of enterprise is going to happen. If you wanted the print at source and missed it, then accept you missed out on that too and it happens... Keep calm and carry on!
In most part flippers are limited on this forum because they are not appreciated, that's enough IMO... If you start drawing up 'rules' on flipping it'll be a Policing and admin nightmare, not to mention who has the right to state what % is fair after what period of time? Do we start taking personal circumstances into consideration? Again this just nonsense IMO, accept it happens... Live and let live!
They're are bigger things to be worried about and get motivated over than flippers on this forum... Dealing with flipping if you don't like it is easy - ignore the threads, don't buy from them and just accept that this type of enterprise is going to happen. If you wanted the print at source and missed it, then accept you missed out on that too and it happens... Keep calm and carry on!
In most part flippers are limited on this forum because they are not appreciated, that's enough IMO... If you start drawing up 'rules' on flipping it'll be a Policing and admin nightmare, not to mention who has the right to state what % is fair after what period of time? Do we start taking personal circumstances into consideration? Again this just nonsense IMO, accept it happens... Live and let live!
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Should we accept flipping on this forum , by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Dec 16, 2016 15:19:14 GMT 1, I like when members add a sob story (unless it's really genuine).
I like when members add a sob story (unless it's really genuine).
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