cstav
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Bad dealing tab tab, by cstav on Jan 9, 2017 19:59:07 GMT 1, Hello everybody
Dont like to post a thread like this,but feel I must warn you all on this. Posted in the art wanted thread and was contacted by tab1. Bought two prints from him,Pรธbel - Bunad,small and big edition.Agreed on price,1000ยฃ for them both. Before sending he insisted to insure them even though I said no.Prints got insured to 1300ยฃ,cost 100ยฃ incl shipping to Norway. Agreed to mark low value and payment by pp gift was made. When the package arrived it was marked Banksy artwork value 2500ยฃ.One of the prints had big cracks and smaller marks on the other.No damage on tube(still have it) Told me to send them back for a refund,wich I did. When I saw it had arrived by using tracking I asked for my money back.Said he did'nt have it,problaby stuck at customs.Believed him and we agreed to wait a few more days. Parcelforce was contacted and they started their investigation. Driver went back on adress twice and they called him and left message. A driver interview/ report was made. In this report signature on adress is confirmed by GPS.Driver also describe him as half cast/black person and that he live with older people.This is correct. Parcelforce sends him a declaration twice.This is to get a official statement/claim from him. These declaration forms is never sent back. Not offered a pound in return and prints are not reported stolen to ABC printhouse. He recieved the prints in return the 21st September,so I have been patience enough on this.
I know I am a 1 star member and he a 4 star,but I can show pictures and mails to back everything.
Please pm or share if you got any information
Thanks๐
Hello everybody Dont like to post a thread like this,but feel I must warn you all on this. Posted in the art wanted thread and was contacted by tab1. Bought two prints from him,Pรธbel - Bunad,small and big edition.Agreed on price,1000ยฃ for them both. Before sending he insisted to insure them even though I said no.Prints got insured to 1300ยฃ,cost 100ยฃ incl shipping to Norway. Agreed to mark low value and payment by pp gift was made. When the package arrived it was marked Banksy artwork value 2500ยฃ.One of the prints had big cracks and smaller marks on the other.No damage on tube(still have it) Told me to send them back for a refund,wich I did. When I saw it had arrived by using tracking I asked for my money back.Said he did'nt have it,problaby stuck at customs.Believed him and we agreed to wait a few more days. Parcelforce was contacted and they started their investigation. Driver went back on adress twice and they called him and left message. A driver interview/ report was made. In this report signature on adress is confirmed by GPS.Driver also describe him as half cast/black person and that he live with older people.This is correct. Parcelforce sends him a declaration twice.This is to get a official statement/claim from him. These declaration forms is never sent back. Not offered a pound in return and prints are not reported stolen to ABC printhouse. He recieved the prints in return the 21st September,so I have been patience enough on this. I know I am a 1 star member and he a 4 star,but I can show pictures and mails to back everything. Please pm or share if you got any information Thanks๐
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Fish in the Sea on Jan 9, 2017 20:02:11 GMT 1, Sad story. I hope you get his sorted and stats don't mean anything IMO. Good luck !
Sad story. I hope you get his sorted and stats don't mean anything IMO. Good luck !
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Dive Jedi
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Dive Jedi on Jan 9, 2017 21:38:35 GMT 1, Bad story indeed. Those stars just indicate number of postst. Not of quality......
Bad story indeed. Those stars just indicate number of postst. Not of quality......
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Bad dealing tab tab, by John The Badgers on Jan 9, 2017 22:12:22 GMT 1, I agree, hope this gets sorted, bad form.
I agree, hope this gets sorted, bad form.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 9, 2017 23:08:54 GMT 1, Think tabtab should speak up on this. Where are you?
Think tabtab should speak up on this. Where are you?
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singo369
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Bad dealing tab tab, by singo369 on Jan 9, 2017 23:34:50 GMT 1, Hate it when people get unfairly treated, trust is big on this forum, a lot of fantastic members on here but hope you manage to resolve things! How did you pay?
Hate it when people get unfairly treated, trust is big on this forum, a lot of fantastic members on here but hope you manage to resolve things! How did you pay?
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cyberkid
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Bad dealing tab tab, by cyberkid on Jan 9, 2017 23:40:35 GMT 1, no worries about the "stars" ! thank you for the information.
no worries about the "stars" ! thank you for the information.
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WOOF
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Bad dealing tab tab, by WOOF on Jan 9, 2017 23:41:37 GMT 1, Sorry this happened to you cstav. Hope tab1 gets this mess sorted ASAP.
As a reminder to all, never do a deal where you're expected to pay via paypal gift. Pay the 3% yourself if you need to, the added PP protection is worth it.
Sorry this happened to you cstav. Hope tab1 gets this mess sorted ASAP. As a reminder to all, never do a deal where you're expected to pay via paypal gift. Pay the 3% yourself if you need to, the added PP protection is worth it.
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cstav
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Bad dealing tab tab, by cstav on Jan 9, 2017 23:43:16 GMT 1, Paid by paypal gift๐ฉThougt I could trust a 4 star member
Paid by paypal gift๐ฉThougt I could trust a 4 star member
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chads007
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Bad dealing tab tab, by chads007 on Jan 9, 2017 23:49:25 GMT 1,
Anyway, if the gift payment came from a credit card, that would help retrieval.
Anyway, if the gift payment came from a credit card, that would help retrieval.
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singo369
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Bad dealing tab tab, by singo369 on Jan 9, 2017 23:53:53 GMT 1, Call your bank, if you paid from you're bank account to PayPal it is a debit transaction, appeal it, supply the evidence and you'll get your money back.
Call your bank, if you paid from you're bank account to PayPal it is a debit transaction, appeal it, supply the evidence and you'll get your money back.
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tartarus
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Bad dealing tab tab, by tartarus on Jan 10, 2017 0:00:16 GMT 1, Paid by paypal gift๐ฉThougt I could trust a 4 star member Call paypal and explain. They may well still help you. I think gift payments have been returned before, i could be wrong, but wont hurt to try.
Paid by paypal gift๐ฉThougt I could trust a 4 star member Call paypal and explain. They may well still help you. I think gift payments have been returned before, i could be wrong, but wont hurt to try.
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genehickory
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Bad dealing tab tab, by genehickory on Jan 10, 2017 2:12:37 GMT 1, You know sh*t happens, miscommunication and blah blah , but you'd think it would be pretty simple for the other party to jump on , explain his side of the story and come to an agreement where both of you are happy.
I'm pretty new here , but I've had such great experiences buying pieces from the other people on here - like to think of this as a place where I know I'm not going to intentionally get fu**ed -
You can say that we , the urban art community should stay out of it , I disagreee - think we have to police each other and insure the integrity of this arena.
As always , just my 2 cents
You know sh*t happens, miscommunication and blah blah , but you'd think it would be pretty simple for the other party to jump on , explain his side of the story and come to an agreement where both of you are happy.
I'm pretty new here , but I've had such great experiences buying pieces from the other people on here - like to think of this as a place where I know I'm not going to intentionally get fu**ed -
You can say that we , the urban art community should stay out of it , I disagreee - think we have to police each other and insure the integrity of this arena.
As always , just my 2 cents
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 6:26:13 GMT 1, Wow...we need tabtab here in this thread explaining himself. Thanks for posting this.
I normally buy from 3 star + members without blinking twice because it always seemed impossible for me to invest that much time in being a fraud. Guess I'll have to resort to not trusting anyone..
Wow...we need tabtab here in this thread explaining himself. Thanks for posting this.
I normally buy from 3 star + members without blinking twice because it always seemed impossible for me to invest that much time in being a fraud. Guess I'll have to resort to not trusting anyone..
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natstan
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Bad dealing tab tab, by natstan on Jan 10, 2017 7:10:44 GMT 1, Sad to hear a transaction gone wrong on here. Buying and selling onine is a double-edged sword, many things can happen in the process. But I believe both buyers and sellers should keep a lookout on the status of the parcel and keep a lookout for their forum mailbox (at least from the date of shipping out until the parcel is safe In the hands of the buyer) so that any issues can be resolved should it occur. Both parties must cooperate. And a buyer and seller review rating function could certainly be incorporated on here, if possible, to serve as a guide for everybody.
Sad to hear a transaction gone wrong on here. Buying and selling onine is a double-edged sword, many things can happen in the process. But I believe both buyers and sellers should keep a lookout on the status of the parcel and keep a lookout for their forum mailbox (at least from the date of shipping out until the parcel is safe In the hands of the buyer) so that any issues can be resolved should it occur. Both parties must cooperate. And a buyer and seller review rating function could certainly be incorporated on here, if possible, to serve as a guide for everybody.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 7:29:44 GMT 1, tabtab will just sign up under a new user on here and continue with behaviour like this.
A bit like Diz did, I'm 100% sure he's under another name now.
tabtab will just sign up under a new user on here and continue with behaviour like this.
A bit like Diz did, I'm 100% sure he's under another name now.
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iamzero
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Bad dealing tab tab, by iamzero on Jan 10, 2017 7:56:31 GMT 1, Surely the Moderators could find TabTab using the IP if they sign in using another name?
Surely the Moderators could find TabTab using the IP if they sign in using another name?
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rjf76
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Bad dealing tab tab, by rjf76 on Jan 10, 2017 8:43:03 GMT 1, It's always going to be tricky buying from someone you basically don't know, no matter how many posts or stars they have.
I've bought/sold to all and the best gauge you can get is by how they conduct themselves on here (contributions, tone of voice..) and by being seconded or recommended by others. I've also paid gift or even direct transfer but really PayPal +4% is the safest way - whether you're paying ยฃ100 or ยฃ10,000, it's all relevant, so that little bit extra for peace of mind shouldn't really matter!!
Hope you get everything sorted out soon! Just remember, for the seller, what goes around, comes around....
It's always going to be tricky buying from someone you basically don't know, no matter how many posts or stars they have.
I've bought/sold to all and the best gauge you can get is by how they conduct themselves on here (contributions, tone of voice..) and by being seconded or recommended by others. I've also paid gift or even direct transfer but really PayPal +4% is the safest way - whether you're paying ยฃ100 or ยฃ10,000, it's all relevant, so that little bit extra for peace of mind shouldn't really matter!!
Hope you get everything sorted out soon! Just remember, for the seller, what goes around, comes around....
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Daniel Silk on Jan 10, 2017 9:38:53 GMT 1, Tabtab was last online here on the 20th December.
Tabtab was last online here on the 20th December.
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rjf76
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Bad dealing tab tab, by rjf76 on Jan 10, 2017 9:40:34 GMT 1, Surely the Moderators could find TabTab using the IP if they sign in using another name?
Not necessarily mate...they're probably using a VPN (if they're that intent on deception!) to cover their tracks...a new IP potentially each time!
Surely the Moderators could find TabTab using the IP if they sign in using another name? Not necessarily mate...they're probably using a VPN (if they're that intent on deception!) to cover their tracks...a new IP potentially each time!
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Elvis to Pete on Jan 10, 2017 10:12:18 GMT 1, Surely if they have been on here for that amount of time, someone on here must know who he is and dealt with him?!
Surely if they have been on here for that amount of time, someone on here must know who he is and dealt with him?!
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 10:17:34 GMT 1, Surely if they have been on here for that amount of time, someone on here must know who he is and dealt with him?!
He wouldnt be the first member on here to have built up a decent reputation, complete some "good" transactions, then stitch someone up.
Surely if they have been on here for that amount of time, someone on here must know who he is and dealt with him?! He wouldnt be the first member on here to have built up a decent reputation, complete some "good" transactions, then stitch someone up.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 10, 2017 10:40:34 GMT 1, Surely if they have been on here for that amount of time, someone on here must know who he is and dealt with him?! He wouldnt be the first member on here to have built up a decent reputation, complete some "good" transactions, then stitch someone up. All that effort for just one transaction! Although it is a sizeable sum of money. Think we need to hear from tab tab on this.
Surely if they have been on here for that amount of time, someone on here must know who he is and dealt with him?! He wouldnt be the first member on here to have built up a decent reputation, complete some "good" transactions, then stitch someone up. All that effort for just one transaction! Although it is a sizeable sum of money. Think we need to hear from tab tab on this.
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Dive Jedi
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Dive Jedi on Jan 10, 2017 12:38:44 GMT 1, I was wondering how that works with marking it with a low value. And then insure it for $ 1.500.
Off course low marking is for customs, but wouldn't the shipping company refer to the low value on the package when claiming for the real value....?
I was wondering how that works with marking it with a low value. And then insure it for $ 1.500.
Off course low marking is for customs, but wouldn't the shipping company refer to the low value on the package when claiming for the real value....?
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Bad dealing tab tab, by mla on Jan 10, 2017 12:49:28 GMT 1, Third party insurance doesn't care what you declare the value at. I ship to Europe/Norway all the time with low value declarations, but still fully insure the package.
Third party insurance doesn't care what you declare the value at. I ship to Europe/Norway all the time with low value declarations, but still fully insure the package.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Poster Bob on Jan 10, 2017 12:54:29 GMT 1, Surely if they have been on here for that amount of time, someone on here must know who he is and dealt with him?! I did an in-person trade + cash with him several years ago. Everything went fine and he seemed like a decent enough guy. I've also sold to cstav and that went fine and he was happy with his print.
Surely if they have been on here for that amount of time, someone on here must know who he is and dealt with him?! I did an in-person trade + cash with him several years ago. Everything went fine and he seemed like a decent enough guy. I've also sold to cstav and that went fine and he was happy with his print.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Coach on Jan 10, 2017 14:29:03 GMT 1, Whilst poor or dishonest practices should be highlighted (once all direct communication has failed to resolve a serious issue) to protect members and the integrity of this forum, the one thing that being on here for a long time has tought me, with respect to the op, is that there are all too often two sides to any argument. As such it is my opinion that we should reserve comment on the issue until tabtab has had the opportunity to reply, or it has become clear that he is not going to do so (with the exception, perhaps, of advice given to the op regarding immediate steps that he might take to protect his position).
Whilst poor or dishonest practices should be highlighted (once all direct communication has failed to resolve a serious issue) to protect members and the integrity of this forum, the one thing that being on here for a long time has tought me, with respect to the op, is that there are all too often two sides to any argument. As such it is my opinion that we should reserve comment on the issue until tabtab has had the opportunity to reply, or it has become clear that he is not going to do so (with the exception, perhaps, of advice given to the op regarding immediate steps that he might take to protect his position).
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nobokov
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Bad dealing tab tab, by nobokov on Jan 12, 2017 8:04:31 GMT 1, That's pretty terrible to hear and hope that it all gets sorted out somehow. Unfortunately it's a harsh reminder to trust no one completely when buying and selling in a marketplace.
As a side note, tabtab participated in the 2015 secret santa so someone has his mailing address. It might come in handy if the other party is willing to help.
That's pretty terrible to hear and hope that it all gets sorted out somehow. Unfortunately it's a harsh reminder to trust no one completely when buying and selling in a marketplace.
As a side note, tabtab participated in the 2015 secret santa so someone has his mailing address. It might come in handy if the other party is willing to help.
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tab1
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Bad dealing tab tab, by tab1 on Jan 19, 2017 15:24:08 GMT 1, Prints were sent by gift payment , I asked him to cover insurance as if anything happened in post he would not be covered and that was for the benefit of the buyer not myself?
I have been caught out by not having insurance when buying and lost out so was thinking of the buyer , not a nice experience
Originally he wanted one print and when found out I had two wanted both of the same but in different sizes ,asked for both then when received stated one was damaged although I sent all pics prior with no issues , stating it must of been the way I rolled it? I've sent / posted over 60 prints with no issues mostly get problems when buying from professional galleries
Said he would keep if I discounted , I replied to send back if want a full refund as I had others wanting the prints and discounted market value as he bought both so already discounted him to the true market value at the time
I have had past buyers pretending there were issues so they can get part money back from buying multiple prints.hence I asked to send back and would refund fully,not dealt with this buyer before so was cautious
I have had buyers on this forum also stating that they have not received before as I had not sent tracking number via PayPal thinking that I may have lost the receipt , but as soon as I send the tracking number they reply they have it!
Although if sent by tracking its useless for PayPal unless you upload and save the receipt!
The prints were supposedly sent back but not delivered , once tracking was shown the signatures are not mine and not even my name.
I called the courier company and stated this to the buyer.
The delivery driver I later found out is self employed and gets payment for each completed drop, in his interest to leave the parcel.
I have had parcels before left in the garden supposedly signed for and parcels missing before and have noted as states in their policy not to be left if signature signee is not in.
At this point I do not know what the buyer has sent back.
I have also forwarded notes left by couriers to the buyer
I have been on the phone for hours with the post office as they have not got a direct number and have to go through a call waiting handler .
I have written emails direct and copied in with the buyer and stated all my actions and directed him that he had to start the process of the claim.
I have more than tried to be helpful
At one point the buyer noted that stories have changed by the driver giving different accounts.
Have this in previous sent emails
I have dealt with lots of people via bank transfers and gift payments and never had this problem , I have in the other hand been ripped off twice and would never wish this to happen to anyone for a hobby I enjoy.
I have sent all paper work requested but have ceased coorespondance with the buyer as of late as he has become rude and threatening .
I have lost my grandmother last year and am caring for my 95 year old grandfather with slight dementia and previously was delayed with responses as I work shifts too Which I told the buyer and previously replied promptly as I could , I know it's an annoying situation to be in but as i keep getting threatened as stated before I have ceased correspondence rather than getting in a slagging match over the internet.THis previously was just a Funtime hobby collecting and visiting shows but now stuck for time.
and as I said to the buyer when I have thousands of pounds of art that I have sent without problems why would I risk ruining my hobby and future interests.
The prints were sent gift payment if I were dishonest I would of not sent them and made a ruse, that was not the case.
I have dealt with refunds before and had no issues, also a point on the courier tracking stated that it was delivered at 7pm , I have never received a parcel by parcel force at this time before, Usually 1-2pm
The buyer knows all this and doesn't really help by posting on the forum , just to be speculative and have other people comment on an unknown situation .
Does not really help me posting a reply here with the situation but only with the gossip .
Prints were sent by gift payment , I asked him to cover insurance as if anything happened in post he would not be covered and that was for the benefit of the buyer not myself?
I have been caught out by not having insurance when buying and lost out so was thinking of the buyer , not a nice experience
Originally he wanted one print and when found out I had two wanted both of the same but in different sizes ,asked for both then when received stated one was damaged although I sent all pics prior with no issues , stating it must of been the way I rolled it? I've sent / posted over 60 prints with no issues mostly get problems when buying from professional galleries
Said he would keep if I discounted , I replied to send back if want a full refund as I had others wanting the prints and discounted market value as he bought both so already discounted him to the true market value at the time
I have had past buyers pretending there were issues so they can get part money back from buying multiple prints.hence I asked to send back and would refund fully,not dealt with this buyer before so was cautious
I have had buyers on this forum also stating that they have not received before as I had not sent tracking number via PayPal thinking that I may have lost the receipt , but as soon as I send the tracking number they reply they have it!
Although if sent by tracking its useless for PayPal unless you upload and save the receipt!
The prints were supposedly sent back but not delivered , once tracking was shown the signatures are not mine and not even my name.
I called the courier company and stated this to the buyer.
The delivery driver I later found out is self employed and gets payment for each completed drop, in his interest to leave the parcel.
I have had parcels before left in the garden supposedly signed for and parcels missing before and have noted as states in their policy not to be left if signature signee is not in.
At this point I do not know what the buyer has sent back.
I have also forwarded notes left by couriers to the buyer
I have been on the phone for hours with the post office as they have not got a direct number and have to go through a call waiting handler .
I have written emails direct and copied in with the buyer and stated all my actions and directed him that he had to start the process of the claim.
I have more than tried to be helpful
At one point the buyer noted that stories have changed by the driver giving different accounts.
Have this in previous sent emails
I have dealt with lots of people via bank transfers and gift payments and never had this problem , I have in the other hand been ripped off twice and would never wish this to happen to anyone for a hobby I enjoy.
I have sent all paper work requested but have ceased coorespondance with the buyer as of late as he has become rude and threatening .
I have lost my grandmother last year and am caring for my 95 year old grandfather with slight dementia and previously was delayed with responses as I work shifts too Which I told the buyer and previously replied promptly as I could , I know it's an annoying situation to be in but as i keep getting threatened as stated before I have ceased correspondence rather than getting in a slagging match over the internet.THis previously was just a Funtime hobby collecting and visiting shows but now stuck for time.
and as I said to the buyer when I have thousands of pounds of art that I have sent without problems why would I risk ruining my hobby and future interests.
The prints were sent gift payment if I were dishonest I would of not sent them and made a ruse, that was not the case.
I have dealt with refunds before and had no issues, also a point on the courier tracking stated that it was delivered at 7pm , I have never received a parcel by parcel force at this time before, Usually 1-2pm
The buyer knows all this and doesn't really help by posting on the forum , just to be speculative and have other people comment on an unknown situation .
Does not really help me posting a reply here with the situation but only with the gossip .
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cstav
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Bad dealing tab tab, by cstav on Jan 19, 2017 16:46:13 GMT 1, These exact words were used in the report Parcelforce sent me after they interviewed the driver.. Hopefully no one gets insulted by this description๐
These exact words were used in the report Parcelforce sent me after they interviewed the driver.. Hopefully no one gets insulted by this description๐
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