Acme Thunderer
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Acme Thunderer on Jul 30, 2021 7:02:42 GMT 1, I have tagged Graffiti Prints into this post so they can join in the discussion.
When you read this thread do not lose sight that it was started to raise awareness of the use of bots to secure new releases and highlight that galleries are not yet putting in the measures during the checkout process to help artists and collectors.
As some of you may have noticed, I wanted to buy the Hama Woods release from Graffiti Prints yesterday but missed out within 1 second (again). Someone mentioned that this is due to โbotsโ so I looked into this and it took me just a few seconds to find this website which listed โGraffiti Printsโ as one of the websites this bot works on (see no 24 on the list).
mostadvancedbot.com/products/shopify-bot
Isnโt it time Graffiti Prints stopped using Shopify as their sales platform or put in the measures to start protecting their customers?
If it is a print I really want I will happily pay extra to buy it as I accept that items can sell out quickly. And I actually donโt blame the people reselling as they are allowed to get away with it, but surely Graffiti Prints must be aware and yet they do nothing!
I would like Graffiti Prints to acknowledge that there is a problem otherwise they are not acting in the best interests of the artists they represent.
These are screenshots from the bot website with it clearly advertising Graffiti Prints
I have tagged Graffiti Prints into this post so they can join in the discussion.
When you read this thread do not lose sight that it was started to raise awareness of the use of bots to secure new releases and highlight that galleries are not yet putting in the measures during the checkout process to help artists and collectors. As some of you may have noticed, I wanted to buy the Hama Woods release from Graffiti Prints yesterday but missed out within 1 second (again). Someone mentioned that this is due to โbotsโ so I looked into this and it took me just a few seconds to find this website which listed โGraffiti Printsโ as one of the websites this bot works on (see no 24 on the list). mostadvancedbot.com/products/shopify-botIsnโt it time Graffiti Prints stopped using Shopify as their sales platform or put in the measures to start protecting their customers? If it is a print I really want I will happily pay extra to buy it as I accept that items can sell out quickly. And I actually donโt blame the people reselling as they are allowed to get away with it, but surely Graffiti Prints must be aware and yet they do nothing! I would like Graffiti Prints to acknowledge that there is a problem otherwise they are not acting in the best interests of the artists they represent. These are screenshots from the bot website with it clearly advertising Graffiti Prints |
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Hobby Artist
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Hobby Artist on Jul 30, 2021 7:07:29 GMT 1, Avant Arte is also listed. Are they aware of that?
Avant Arte is also listed. Are they aware of that?
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Acme Thunderer
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Acme Thunderer on Jul 30, 2021 7:11:23 GMT 1, If any members read this post and ignore and make no comment, then Graffiti Prints and other websites will not take any notice and continue. If you disagree with bots then state your concerns hereโฆ
If any members read this post and ignore and make no comment, then Graffiti Prints and other websites will not take any notice and continue. If you disagree with bots then state your concerns hereโฆ
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TBones
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SHOPIFY BOT, by TBones on Jul 30, 2021 7:18:49 GMT 1, I'd have to agree I think its an issue. The lottery system they did for the last Martin Whatson release is perhaps a better way but there's always ways of beating the system.
I'd have to agree I think its an issue. The lottery system they did for the last Martin Whatson release is perhaps a better way but there's always ways of beating the system.
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Hobby Artist
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Hobby Artist on Jul 30, 2021 7:32:25 GMT 1, I'd have to agree I think its an issue. The lottery system they did for the last Martin Whatson release is perhaps a better way but there's always ways of beating the system. 
I'd have to agree I think its an issue. The lottery system they did for the last Martin Whatson release is perhaps a better way but there's always ways of beating the system. Or Avant Arteยดs system: contacting the interested collectors via email and then deciding. This means bots (and many flippers) have no chance. And real collectors won't get everything, but sometimes will score something they can enjoy. Doesn't sound bad |
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SHOPIFY BOT, by theclash on Jul 30, 2021 7:35:11 GMT 1, I'd have to agree I think its an issue. The lottery system they did for the last Martin Whatson release is perhaps a better way but there's always ways of beating the system. Or Avant Arteยดs system: contacting the interested collectors via email and then deciding. This means bots (and many flippers) have no chance. And real collectors won't get everything, but sometimes will score something they can enjoy. Doesn't sound badย
Will the bot do my screening call for me?
I'd have to agree I think its an issue. The lottery system they did for the last Martin Whatson release is perhaps a better way but there's always ways of beating the system. Or Avant Arteยดs system: contacting the interested collectors via email and then deciding. This means bots (and many flippers) have no chance. And real collectors won't get everything, but sometimes will score something they can enjoy. Doesn't sound badย Will the bot do my screening call for me? |
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Acme Thunderer
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Acme Thunderer on Jul 30, 2021 7:36:15 GMT 1, I believe Graffiti Prints will not make a change until their artists are aware, so I have informed all of the main artists as well.
We can either sit and grumble about missing out on releases and complaining about flippers, or we can do something about it.
I believe Graffiti Prints will not make a change until their artists are aware, so I have informed all of the main artists as well.
We can either sit and grumble about missing out on releases and complaining about flippers, or we can do something about it.
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gavatron
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SHOPIFY BOT, by gavatron on Jul 30, 2021 7:36:56 GMT 1, shopify has one of the better chances at staving off bots tbh
shopify has one of the better chances at staving off bots tbh
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Hobby Artist
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Hobby Artist on Jul 30, 2021 7:38:02 GMT 1, Or Avant Arteยดs system: contacting the interested collectors via email and then deciding. This means bots (and many flippers) have no chance. And real collectors won't get everything, but sometimes will score something they can enjoy. Doesn't sound bad Will the bot do my screening call for me?
Or Avant Arteยดs system: contacting the interested collectors via email and then deciding. This means bots (and many flippers) have no chance. And real collectors won't get everything, but sometimes will score something they can enjoy. Doesn't sound bad Will the bot do my screening call for me? Well, bots only have a chance to get the rest, which is sold at release online without previous screening (which is probably the minor part by far). |
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Wanchope on Jul 30, 2021 8:43:50 GMT 1, Bots suck! End of!
Bots suck! End of!
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chrispa
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SHOPIFY BOT, by chrispa on Jul 30, 2021 9:20:53 GMT 1, Graffiti Prints, Obey, Mondo...
I know people always talk about bots but this is the first time I have seen one
Now I know why i had to give up trying to buy from these sites a few years ago
Surely there is a way these bots can be detected and disabled on these sites.
Graffiti Prints, Obey, Mondo...
I know people always talk about bots but this is the first time I have seen one
Now I know why i had to give up trying to buy from these sites a few years ago
Surely there is a way these bots can be detected and disabled on these sites.
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sm3gz
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SHOPIFY BOT, by sm3gz on Jul 30, 2021 10:05:38 GMT 1, Most Advance Bots is basically a scam,
Itโs well documented in the sneaker circuit, where getting a chance of any decent nike drop requires one.
I emailed Most Advance previously and asked what theyโre success rate was of catching a drop and they replied with between 40 or 50%
I believe people are using bots but could almost guarantee itโs not this one.
Most Advance Bots is basically a scam,
Itโs well documented in the sneaker circuit, where getting a chance of any decent nike drop requires one.
I emailed Most Advance previously and asked what theyโre success rate was of catching a drop and they replied with between 40 or 50%
I believe people are using bots but could almost guarantee itโs not this one.
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SHOPIFY BOT, by lollo88 on Jul 30, 2021 10:08:42 GMT 1, Awesome man, thanks for the heads up.
Buying the bot right away...I mean it is obvious I can't beat them, might as well join them
Awesome man, thanks for the heads up.
Buying the bot right away...I mean it is obvious I can't beat them, might as well join them
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Acme Thunderer
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Acme Thunderer on Jul 30, 2021 10:33:12 GMT 1, When I look at the prints Iโve got on the walls I remember arriving hours beforehand in a queue, setting an early alarm for an overnight drop, being the chosen one in a lottery, the favour a gallery has done for a loyal customer, the personal communication with an artist, the chase of getting an old print and the hours of pressing F5 (back when we used computers).
Itโs these memories that make my art more enjoyable rather than paying $69 for a computer programme.
When I look at the prints Iโve got on the walls I remember arriving hours beforehand in a queue, setting an early alarm for an overnight drop, being the chosen one in a lottery, the favour a gallery has done for a loyal customer, the personal communication with an artist, the chase of getting an old print and the hours of pressing F5 (back when we used computers).
Itโs these memories that make my art more enjoyable rather than paying $69 for a computer programme.
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Adcua
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Adcua on Jul 30, 2021 10:36:28 GMT 1, I manage to get most of Graffiti Prints releases without any bots, your obviously to slow.
I manage to get most of Graffiti Prints releases without any bots, your obviously to slow.
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SHOPIFY BOT, by eD on Jul 30, 2021 11:34:49 GMT 1, Moaning about Graffiti Prints sales platform is well meaning but naive - donโt get sucked into trying to separate artistic sensibilities from commerce โ Graffiti Prints is a business! They are not concerned weather or not you and I can buy pieces at fair market value, they are just selling stuff. However, the real problem here is that demand outstrips supply every single time, even without the bots your chances are extremely limited. Take the Martin Watson release - that had over 8000 lottery entries, that's just a 3% chance of success.
Moaning about Graffiti Prints sales platform is well meaning but naive - donโt get sucked into trying to separate artistic sensibilities from commerce โ Graffiti Prints is a business! They are not concerned weather or not you and I can buy pieces at fair market value, they are just selling stuff. However, the real problem here is that demand outstrips supply every single time, even without the bots your chances are extremely limited. Take the Martin Watson release - that had over 8000 lottery entries, that's just a 3% chance of success.
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SHOPIFY BOT, by theonlytexaspete on Jul 30, 2021 11:37:38 GMT 1, Absolutely hate bots :-(
Absolutely hate bots :-(
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clueless
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SHOPIFY BOT, by clueless on Jul 30, 2021 12:25:02 GMT 1, They know and they just do not care.
They know and they just do not care.
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SHOPIFY BOT, by soupy on Jul 30, 2021 14:22:04 GMT 1, what a whiny thread. insisting GP move to another ecommerce provider just because you missed out on a hama woods print release is beyond stupid and screams of whiny entitlement. everyone is aware that bots exist. this topic has been discussed ad nauseam. any online ecommerce platform can have a bot developed for it.... its programmers understanding the checkout process and taking the time to build it.
people that think lotteries are better have no clue. their chances drastically decrease in lotteries but they feel better losing because they can't scream "BOTS!" after missing.... even though there are bots for lottery entries.
the simple solution: get faster at checking out. i have a fairly good record scoring on online drops without a bot. and no... you will not score 100% of the drops. welcome to the hobby.
what a whiny thread. insisting GP move to another ecommerce provider just because you missed out on a hama woods print release is beyond stupid and screams of whiny entitlement. everyone is aware that bots exist. this topic has been discussed ad nauseam. any online ecommerce platform can have a bot developed for it.... its programmers understanding the checkout process and taking the time to build it.
people that think lotteries are better have no clue. their chances drastically decrease in lotteries but they feel better losing because they can't scream "BOTS!" after missing.... even though there are bots for lottery entries.
the simple solution: get faster at checking out. i have a fairly good record scoring on online drops without a bot. and no... you will not score 100% of the drops. welcome to the hobby.
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SHOPIFY BOT, by genericusername on Jul 30, 2021 14:35:00 GMT 1, I don't see the *backdoor option on the graffiti prints bot, so does it even work?
I don't see the *backdoor option on the graffiti prints bot, so does it even work?
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SHOPIFY BOT, by 7thson on Jul 30, 2021 14:48:22 GMT 1, shopify has one of the better chances at staving off bots tbh
They have the engineers to make strides against bots, but I see 2 things that are preventing this from being effective:
1. In order to add Shopify' 'Bot Protection' to your site, you must have a 'Shopify Plus' plan, which starts at $2k/month. This is a large step up from the $29/$79/$299 monthly costs for the 3 more basic plans. Most artists/galleries don't have the budget, or can't justify, an extra $24k+/year, just to slow down bots (it doesn't completely stop them)
2. The problem with Shopify is that you can write one bot and it will work for thousands of sites. This gives developers great incentive to write powerful bots, and overcome the next hurdle from Shopify, as there will be a large number of users with a need for the bot (as we've seen). Now pretty much every customer can easily get a bot to help with their chances. It used to be a small number of users who took the time to write a bot for a custom site, but now it's completely flipped.
shopify has one of the better chances at staving off bots tbh They have the engineers to make strides against bots, but I see 2 things that are preventing this from being effective: 1. In order to add Shopify' 'Bot Protection' to your site, you must have a 'Shopify Plus' plan, which starts at $2k/month. This is a large step up from the $29/$79/$299 monthly costs for the 3 more basic plans. Most artists/galleries don't have the budget, or can't justify, an extra $24k+/year, just to slow down bots (it doesn't completely stop them) 2. The problem with Shopify is that you can write one bot and it will work for thousands of sites. This gives developers great incentive to write powerful bots, and overcome the next hurdle from Shopify, as there will be a large number of users with a need for the bot (as we've seen). Now pretty much every customer can easily get a bot to help with their chances. It used to be a small number of users who took the time to write a bot for a custom site, but now it's completely flipped. |
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Daylight Robber on Jul 30, 2021 14:50:31 GMT 1, I manage to get most of Graffiti Prints releases without any bots, your obviously to slow.
I manage to get most of Graffiti Prints releases without any bots, your obviously to slow. Did you manage to land the Fanakapan, Nuno Viegas collaboration? |
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Acme Thunderer
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Acme Thunderer on Jul 30, 2021 15:01:29 GMT 1, what a whiny thread. insisting GP move to another ecommerce provider just because you missed out on a hama woods print release is beyond stupid and screams of whiny entitlement. everyone is aware that bots exist. this topic has been discussed ad nauseam. any online ecommerce platform can have a bot developed for it.... its programmers understanding the checkout process and taking the time to build it. people that think lotteries are better have no clue. their chances drastically decrease in lotteries but they feel better losing because they can't scream "BOTS!" after missing.... even though there are bots for lottery entries. the simple solution: get faster at checking out. i have a fairly good record scoring on online drops without a bot. and no... you will not score 100% of the drops. welcome to the hobby.
I have had success scoring releases on other websites for the last 15 years, but an edition of 100 against 100 bots there is no chance (no matter how quick you are at checking out). This thread is the first on UAA that has shown that bot software is promoting that it specifically works on the GP website.
What GP need to realise is that they are not a monopoly but a business. They need to serve the artists they represent as well as people who spend money. If they continue to ignore this issue, their business model will eventually fail. Businesses who survive will listen to their customers (including artists) and adapt.
I do agree that lotteries are not a fair way of any release - all they do is increase the contact database of a company to promote future releases. So the gallery is collecting data and not the artist.
what a whiny thread. insisting GP move to another ecommerce provider just because you missed out on a hama woods print release is beyond stupid and screams of whiny entitlement. everyone is aware that bots exist. this topic has been discussed ad nauseam. any online ecommerce platform can have a bot developed for it.... its programmers understanding the checkout process and taking the time to build it. people that think lotteries are better have no clue. their chances drastically decrease in lotteries but they feel better losing because they can't scream "BOTS!" after missing.... even though there are bots for lottery entries. the simple solution: get faster at checking out. i have a fairly good record scoring on online drops without a bot. and no... you will not score 100% of the drops. welcome to the hobby. I have seen GP doing absolutely nothing to reduce the risk of bots so I will raise this again even if if you think it is whiny. Instead all GP do is promote a url for each variation DAYS in advance of a release on their website. Why donโt they have unique urls released at the specified time on release that cannot be worked out? It is not rocket science. I have had success scoring releases on other websites for the last 15 years, but an edition of 100 against 100 bots there is no chance (no matter how quick you are at checking out). This thread is the first on UAA that has shown that bot software is promoting that it specifically works on the GP website. What GP need to realise is that they are not a monopoly but a business. They need to serve the artists they represent as well as people who spend money. If they continue to ignore this issue, their business model will eventually fail. Businesses who survive will listen to their customers (including artists) and adapt. I do agree that lotteries are not a fair way of any release - all they do is increase the contact database of a company to promote future releases. So the gallery is collecting data and not the artist. |
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SHOPIFY BOT, by 7thson on Jul 30, 2021 15:05:37 GMT 1, I'd have to agree I think its an issue. The lottery system they did for the last Martin Whatson release is perhaps a better way but there's always ways of beating the system.
Lottery is no better than a bottted release - there are lotto/raffle bots. I'd argue that you have a better chance against a normal release, as bots can always fail or some other hiccup can occur during the short window of a drop. If a technical glitch occurs for a lotto/raffle bot, you generally have hours or even days to resolve the issue and still get your thousands of botted entries in.
Also, when GP does their lotteries, it just makes it easier for them to get the prints to VIP/Preferred customers. When you have a lottery for 100 prints and you give 95 of them to preferred customers, it's hard for the majority of people to know that happened, (but if you just look at the Martin Whatson facebook groups, I hope you are not surprised that coincidentally it's always the same usual suspects that get a 'win' from GP). If you do a normal release of 100 prints, and only 5 of them actually made it to the online store because all the others were already presold, that's much easier to notice.
Here's a good example of how lottos are no better. Two users were able to get 200+ pairs of the latest Travis Scott/Nike collab, using a raffle bot:
http://instagr.am/p/CR5LuXlgK-4
I'd have to agree I think its an issue. The lottery system they did for the last Martin Whatson release is perhaps a better way but there's always ways of beating the system. Lottery is no better than a bottted release - there are lotto/raffle bots. I'd argue that you have a better chance against a normal release, as bots can always fail or some other hiccup can occur during the short window of a drop. If a technical glitch occurs for a lotto/raffle bot, you generally have hours or even days to resolve the issue and still get your thousands of botted entries in. Also, when GP does their lotteries, it just makes it easier for them to get the prints to VIP/Preferred customers. When you have a lottery for 100 prints and you give 95 of them to preferred customers, it's hard for the majority of people to know that happened, (but if you just look at the Martin Whatson facebook groups, I hope you are not surprised that coincidentally it's always the same usual suspects that get a 'win' from GP). If you do a normal release of 100 prints, and only 5 of them actually made it to the online store because all the others were already presold, that's much easier to notice. Here's a good example of how lottos are no better. Two users were able to get 200+ pairs of the latest Travis Scott/Nike collab, using a raffle bot: http://instagr.am/p/CR5LuXlgK-4 |
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SHOPIFY BOT, by aymar75 on Jul 30, 2021 16:22:13 GMT 1, This does not make much sense to me. I have stopped trying to beat the bots. On for the love of art sometimes you win sometimes you lose. Build in the long term is the real win.
You always have bigger whales with bigger means like for trading. You lose before you start.
Sneak in galleries reach artists build thatโs it.
Thatโs my point of view.
Hope I did not ruin the post.
Peace and keep safe
This does not make much sense to me. I have stopped trying to beat the bots. On for the love of art sometimes you win sometimes you lose. Build in the long term is the real win.
You always have bigger whales with bigger means like for trading. You lose before you start.
Sneak in galleries reach artists build thatโs it.
Thatโs my point of view.
Hope I did not ruin the post.
Peace and keep safe
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SHOPIFY BOT, by Fake on Jul 30, 2021 17:28:28 GMT 1, First, Shopify is just the best platform to do big releases with no crashing websites.
Second, you are the best bot there can be. Just put on notifications from graffiti prints on instagram and you will get a push message every time GP posts something. If GP announces a new release send them an email.
You should know GP does do pre-release sales, unless stated otherwise.
Good luck!
what a whiny thread. insisting GP move to another ecommerce provider just because you missed out on a hama woods print release is beyond stupid and screams of whiny entitlement. everyone is aware that bots exist. this topic has been discussed ad nauseam. any online ecommerce platform can have a bot developed for it.... its programmers understanding the checkout process and taking the time to build it. people that think lotteries are better have no clue. their chances drastically decrease in lotteries but they feel better losing because they can't scream "BOTS!" after missing.... even though there are bots for lottery entries. the simple solution: get faster at checking out. i have a fairly good record scoring on online drops without a bot. and no... you will not score 100% of the drops. welcome to the hobby. I have seen GP doing absolutely nothing to reduce the risk of bots so I will raise this again even if if you think it is whiny. Instead all GP do is promote a url for each variation DAYS in advance of a release on their website. Why donโt they have unique urls released at the specified time on release that cannot be worked out? It is not rocket science. I have had success scoring releases on other websites for the last 15 years, but an edition of 100 against 100 bots there is no chance (no matter how quick you are at checking out). This thread is the first on UAA that has shown that bot software is promoting that it specifically works on the GP website. What GP need to realise is that they are not a monopoly but a business. They need to serve the artists they represent as well as people who spend money. If they continue to ignore this issue, their business model will eventually fail. Businesses who survive will listen to their customers (including artists) and adapt. I do agree that lotteries are not a fair way of any release - all they do is increase the contact database of a company to promote future releases. So the gallery is collecting data and not the artist.
First, Shopify is just the best platform to do big releases with no crashing websites. Second, you are the best bot there can be. Just put on notifications from graffiti prints on instagram and you will get a push message every time GP posts something. If GP announces a new release send them an email. You should know GP does do pre-release sales, unless stated otherwise. Good luck! what a whiny thread. insisting GP move to another ecommerce provider just because you missed out on a hama woods print release is beyond stupid and screams of whiny entitlement. everyone is aware that bots exist. this topic has been discussed ad nauseam. any online ecommerce platform can have a bot developed for it.... its programmers understanding the checkout process and taking the time to build it. people that think lotteries are better have no clue. their chances drastically decrease in lotteries but they feel better losing because they can't scream "BOTS!" after missing.... even though there are bots for lottery entries. the simple solution: get faster at checking out. i have a fairly good record scoring on online drops without a bot. and no... you will not score 100% of the drops. welcome to the hobby. I have seen GP doing absolutely nothing to reduce the risk of bots so I will raise this again even if if you think it is whiny. Instead all GP do is promote a url for each variation DAYS in advance of a release on their website. Why donโt they have unique urls released at the specified time on release that cannot be worked out? It is not rocket science. I have had success scoring releases on other websites for the last 15 years, but an edition of 100 against 100 bots there is no chance (no matter how quick you are at checking out). This thread is the first on UAA that has shown that bot software is promoting that it specifically works on the GP website. What GP need to realise is that they are not a monopoly but a business. They need to serve the artists they represent as well as people who spend money. If they continue to ignore this issue, their business model will eventually fail. Businesses who survive will listen to their customers (including artists) and adapt. I do agree that lotteries are not a fair way of any release - all they do is increase the contact database of a company to promote future releases. So the gallery is collecting data and not the artist. |
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SHOPIFY BOT, by amz on Jul 30, 2021 17:42:46 GMT 1, what a whiny thread. insisting GP move to another ecommerce provider just because you missed out on a hama woods print release is beyond stupid and screams of whiny entitlement. everyone is aware that bots exist. this topic has been discussed ad nauseam. any online ecommerce platform can have a bot developed for it.... its programmers understanding the checkout process and taking the time to build it. people that think lotteries are better have no clue. their chances drastically decrease in lotteries but they feel better losing because they can't scream "BOTS!" after missing.... even though there are bots for lottery entries. the simple solution: get faster at checking out. i have a fairly good record scoring on online drops without a bot. and no... you will not score 100% of the drops. welcome to the hobby. I have seen GP doing absolutely nothing to reduce the risk of bots so I will raise this again even if if you think it is whiny. Instead all GP do is promote a url for each variation DAYS in advance of a release on their website. Why donโt they have unique urls released at the specified time on release that cannot be worked out? It is not rocket science. I have had success scoring releases on other websites for the last 15 years, but an edition of 100 against 100 bots there is no chance (no matter how quick you are at checking out). This thread is the first on UAA that has shown that bot software is promoting that it specifically works on the GP website. What GP need to realise is that they are not a monopoly but a business. They need to serve the artists they represent as well as people who spend money. If they continue to ignore this issue, their business model will eventually fail. Businesses who survive will listen to their customers (including artists) and adapt. I do agree that lotteries are not a fair way of any release - all they do is increase the contact database of a company to promote future releases. So the gallery is collecting data and not the artist.
The fact is all of your suggestions lead to the same outcome. Even if there are unique url closer to the time thereโs still be bots working faster than you.
Seems like quite a number of people on forum manage to buy on forum myself included. Shopify is quite nice as it is quick for a normal buyer as well. Shop pay takes only a few seconds. I can hardly believe whole edition sizes are being swiped up by bots. Get faster on the keyboard.
what a whiny thread. insisting GP move to another ecommerce provider just because you missed out on a hama woods print release is beyond stupid and screams of whiny entitlement. everyone is aware that bots exist. this topic has been discussed ad nauseam. any online ecommerce platform can have a bot developed for it.... its programmers understanding the checkout process and taking the time to build it. people that think lotteries are better have no clue. their chances drastically decrease in lotteries but they feel better losing because they can't scream "BOTS!" after missing.... even though there are bots for lottery entries. the simple solution: get faster at checking out. i have a fairly good record scoring on online drops without a bot. and no... you will not score 100% of the drops. welcome to the hobby. I have seen GP doing absolutely nothing to reduce the risk of bots so I will raise this again even if if you think it is whiny. Instead all GP do is promote a url for each variation DAYS in advance of a release on their website. Why donโt they have unique urls released at the specified time on release that cannot be worked out? It is not rocket science. I have had success scoring releases on other websites for the last 15 years, but an edition of 100 against 100 bots there is no chance (no matter how quick you are at checking out). This thread is the first on UAA that has shown that bot software is promoting that it specifically works on the GP website. What GP need to realise is that they are not a monopoly but a business. They need to serve the artists they represent as well as people who spend money. If they continue to ignore this issue, their business model will eventually fail. Businesses who survive will listen to their customers (including artists) and adapt. I do agree that lotteries are not a fair way of any release - all they do is increase the contact database of a company to promote future releases. So the gallery is collecting data and not the artist. The fact is all of your suggestions lead to the same outcome. Even if there are unique url closer to the time thereโs still be bots working faster than you. Seems like quite a number of people on forum manage to buy on forum myself included. Shopify is quite nice as it is quick for a normal buyer as well. Shop pay takes only a few seconds. I can hardly believe whole edition sizes are being swiped up by bots. Get faster on the keyboard. |
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SHOPIFY BOT, by gavatron on Jul 30, 2021 17:42:47 GMT 1, shopify has one of the better chances at staving off bots tbh They have the engineers to make strides against bots, but I see 2 things that are preventing this from being effective: 1. In order to add Shopify' 'Bot Protection' to your site, you must have a 'Shopify Plus' plan, which starts at $2k/month. This is a large step up from the $29/$79/$299 monthly costs for the 3 more basic plans. Most artists/galleries don't have the budget, or can't justify, an extra $24k+/year, just to slow down bots (it doesn't completely stop them) 2. The problem with Shopify is that you can write one bot and it will work for thousands of sites. This gives developers great incentive to write powerful bots, and overcome the next hurdle from Shopify, as there will be a large number of users with a need for the bot (as we've seen). Now pretty much every customer can easily get a bot to help with their chances. It used to be a small number of users who took the time to write a bot for a custom site, but now it's completely flipped.
shopify has one of the better chances at staving off bots tbh They have the engineers to make strides against bots, but I see 2 things that are preventing this from being effective: 1. In order to add Shopify' 'Bot Protection' to your site, you must have a 'Shopify Plus' plan, which starts at $2k/month. This is a large step up from the $29/$79/$299 monthly costs for the 3 more basic plans. Most artists/galleries don't have the budget, or can't justify, an extra $24k+/year, just to slow down bots (it doesn't completely stop them) 2. The problem with Shopify is that you can write one bot and it will work for thousands of sites. This gives developers great incentive to write powerful bots, and overcome the next hurdle from Shopify, as there will be a large number of users with a need for the bot (as we've seen). Now pretty much every customer can easily get a bot to help with their chances. It used to be a small number of users who took the time to write a bot for a custom site, but now it's completely flipped. It's an arms race that has a big entry fee, GP can afford it |
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SHOPIFY BOT, by That Print Guy on Jul 30, 2021 17:44:07 GMT 1, shopify has one of the better chances at staving off bots tbh
This is true, they're the king. "Most advanced bot" is not. OP are you not just a little suspicious of the first search result for something like this? You want to really have your mind blown? head on over to botbroker.io. ROI on the bot resale game is far better than art. If you want to get started try googling "bot to buy bots", should be pretty easy to jump in (he said sarcastically).
shopify has one of the better chances at staving off bots tbh This is true, they're the king. "Most advanced bot" is not. OP are you not just a little suspicious of the first search result for something like this? You want to really have your mind blown? head on over to botbroker.io. ROI on the bot resale game is far better than art. If you want to get started try googling "bot to buy bots", should be pretty easy to jump in (he said sarcastically). |
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SHOPIFY BOT, by That Print Guy on Jul 30, 2021 17:45:36 GMT 1, I manage to get most of Graffiti Prints releases without any bots, your obviously to slow.
also this. GP has historically been an easy drop, it still is
I manage to get most of Graffiti Prints releases without any bots, your obviously to slow. also this. GP has historically been an easy drop, it still is |
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