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grafter in the guardian., by Pupster on Jul 11, 2008 1:09:53 GMT 1, I've read every post on this thread and to a lesser or greater degree all points are valid.. BUT the real truth doesn't lie with politics or poverty... its easier than that.. its me as parent, you as a parent and the person next door who has the responsibility to do right in bringin up the kids that they are lucky enough to have...(coz lets face it there are loads of couples who want kids but cant have them).. I live in Hackney, over the road from me is Wellington Row which is unoffically the Cans II.. A kid got stabbed there the other night and died... it didnt even reach national press.... My point is kids carry knives cos if they dont they feel vulnerable, their mate has one n if you aint your a pu**y.. peer pressure kicks in... get kids re-educated, give them confidence to be independant, take away the need to be like 'my mate' and you will breed a person who has belief in themsleves and someone who is prepared to be different..
The real sad thing is if we dont try and change our sons and daughters n educate them the ways of the real world we are the people who will suffer... n end up ordering a stab vest coz we feel vulnerable going to the shops.. Dont blame society take a look at yourselves as parents and do the right thing.... stop making your lives easy by blaming others and start taking responsibility to be a good a parent and help your kids to grow up in the right way..
Preachin over...
I've read every post on this thread and to a lesser or greater degree all points are valid.. BUT the real truth doesn't lie with politics or poverty... its easier than that.. its me as parent, you as a parent and the person next door who has the responsibility to do right in bringin up the kids that they are lucky enough to have...(coz lets face it there are loads of couples who want kids but cant have them).. I live in Hackney, over the road from me is Wellington Row which is unoffically the Cans II.. A kid got stabbed there the other night and died... it didnt even reach national press.... My point is kids carry knives cos if they dont they feel vulnerable, their mate has one n if you aint your a pu**y.. peer pressure kicks in... get kids re-educated, give them confidence to be independant, take away the need to be like 'my mate' and you will breed a person who has belief in themsleves and someone who is prepared to be different..
The real sad thing is if we dont try and change our sons and daughters n educate them the ways of the real world we are the people who will suffer... n end up ordering a stab vest coz we feel vulnerable going to the shops.. Dont blame society take a look at yourselves as parents and do the right thing.... stop making your lives easy by blaming others and start taking responsibility to be a good a parent and help your kids to grow up in the right way..
Preachin over...
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grafter in the guardian., by brun on Jul 11, 2008 1:38:02 GMT 1, i cycled past the memorial / grafter work tonight . very moving . we all know something can be done but the old etonians etc who run this city/country dont give a shit . it suits them , let them die , send them to iraq, whatever there is a solution and it can be done ! a mix of jail , community work and education is what is needed .
britain is like USA now , though i feel safer in usa . london is like new york in the 1980s and new york now is like london used to be though still a bit rough ! kids can do jail cos their mates are there too , and there mum isnt ! whover said thatcher was to blame is 100 % correct .......she killed our communities in the name of profit !
i cycled past the memorial / grafter work tonight . very moving . we all know something can be done but the old etonians etc who run this city/country dont give a shit . it suits them , let them die , send them to iraq, whatever there is a solution and it can be done ! a mix of jail , community work and education is what is needed .
britain is like USA now , though i feel safer in usa . london is like new york in the 1980s and new york now is like london used to be though still a bit rough ! kids can do jail cos their mates are there too , and there mum isnt ! whover said thatcher was to blame is 100 % correct .......she killed our communities in the name of profit !
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grafter in the guardian., by brun on Jul 11, 2008 1:40:12 GMT 1, and yes i know stop and search was a banksy work , but someone missed the irony of my point ! there is a message in his work i think you will find ..............
and yes i know stop and search was a banksy work , but someone missed the irony of my point ! there is a message in his work i think you will find ..............
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grafter in the guardian., by Pupster on Jul 11, 2008 1:46:19 GMT 1, Spot on Brun... Britian is like the USA of the 80's... !! was sayin exactly that to R1 tonight.. zero tolerence and re-education is what is needed.... too many kids thinkin they bad boy adults... too many bad boys thinkin they are untouchable... to many adults letting them get away with it.... bring back national service, let them taste resect n order in a way that is constructive..., Take ya point about about thatcher but you know what .. can change yesterday ... only influence what i choose to do tomorrow....
Spot on Brun... Britian is like the USA of the 80's... !! was sayin exactly that to R1 tonight.. zero tolerence and re-education is what is needed.... too many kids thinkin they bad boy adults... too many bad boys thinkin they are untouchable... to many adults letting them get away with it.... bring back national service, let them taste resect n order in a way that is constructive..., Take ya point about about thatcher but you know what .. can change yesterday ... only influence what i choose to do tomorrow....
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grafter in the guardian., by low3 on Jul 11, 2008 1:56:27 GMT 1, I've read every post on this thread and to a lesser or greater degree all points are valid.. BUT the real truth doesn't lie with politics or poverty... its easier than that.. its me as parent, you as a parent and the person next door who has the responsibility to do right in bringin up the kids that they are lucky enough to have...(coz lets face it there are loads of couples who want kids but cant have them).. I live in Hackney, over the road from me is Wellington Row which is unoffically the Cans II.. A kid got stabbed there the other night and died... it didnt even reach national press.... My point is kids carry knives cos if they dont they feel vulnerable, their mate has one n if you aint your a pu**y.. peer pressure kicks in... get kids re-educated, give them confidence to be independant, take away the need to be like 'my mate' and you will breed a person who has belief in themsleves and someone who is prepared to be different.. The real sad thing is if we dont try and change our sons and daughters n educate them the ways of the real world we are the people who will suffer... n end up ordering a stab vest coz we feel vulnerable going to the shops.. Dont blame society take a look at yourselves as parents and do the right thing.... stop making your lives easy by blaming others and start taking responsibility to be a good a parent and help your kids to grow up in the right way.. Preachin over...
Well said pupster, that was part of my rant too. Think you got your point over slightly more eloquently than i managed though!
The thing is though, this problem will perpetuate indefinitely as this 'underclass' for want of a better word continue to breed and continue the loop of ill-education and poor parenting, and so the problem gets worse.
walking around manchester there's been a noticable change over the last ten or so years. it seems that professional people and those better educated (i know this sounds snobby, but bear with me) are either waiting later to have children, or are just generally having less of them, while the lower classes and 'benefits' generation are 1. having kids younger and 2. having more kids.
Due to the parenting they've experienced (i.e. bad), they then carry this trend on to their kids, and so on and so on, so if anything, i think this problem will only get worse and worse and worse, and the problem expands exponentially. We as a country are breeding a big problem, for want of a better word.
Hence my argument for compulsory temporary sterilisation: i mean, in this country, you can't drive a car without passing a proficiency test, why should parenting be any different. If you can't prove you are capable of being a good parent, maybe you should have that right removed??
I've read every post on this thread and to a lesser or greater degree all points are valid.. BUT the real truth doesn't lie with politics or poverty... its easier than that.. its me as parent, you as a parent and the person next door who has the responsibility to do right in bringin up the kids that they are lucky enough to have...(coz lets face it there are loads of couples who want kids but cant have them).. I live in Hackney, over the road from me is Wellington Row which is unoffically the Cans II.. A kid got stabbed there the other night and died... it didnt even reach national press.... My point is kids carry knives cos if they dont they feel vulnerable, their mate has one n if you aint your a pu**y.. peer pressure kicks in... get kids re-educated, give them confidence to be independant, take away the need to be like 'my mate' and you will breed a person who has belief in themsleves and someone who is prepared to be different.. The real sad thing is if we dont try and change our sons and daughters n educate them the ways of the real world we are the people who will suffer... n end up ordering a stab vest coz we feel vulnerable going to the shops.. Dont blame society take a look at yourselves as parents and do the right thing.... stop making your lives easy by blaming others and start taking responsibility to be a good a parent and help your kids to grow up in the right way.. Preachin over... Well said pupster, that was part of my rant too. Think you got your point over slightly more eloquently than i managed though! The thing is though, this problem will perpetuate indefinitely as this 'underclass' for want of a better word continue to breed and continue the loop of ill-education and poor parenting, and so the problem gets worse. walking around manchester there's been a noticable change over the last ten or so years. it seems that professional people and those better educated (i know this sounds snobby, but bear with me) are either waiting later to have children, or are just generally having less of them, while the lower classes and 'benefits' generation are 1. having kids younger and 2. having more kids. Due to the parenting they've experienced (i.e. bad), they then carry this trend on to their kids, and so on and so on, so if anything, i think this problem will only get worse and worse and worse, and the problem expands exponentially. We as a country are breeding a big problem, for want of a better word. Hence my argument for compulsory temporary sterilisation: i mean, in this country, you can't drive a car without passing a proficiency test, why should parenting be any different. If you can't prove you are capable of being a good parent, maybe you should have that right removed?? |
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grafter in the guardian., by Prescription Art on Jul 11, 2008 1:57:02 GMT 1, There do seem to have been a spate of killings recently, but I think it's blown out of all proportion by the media. I don't feel in danger in the slightest in London, and if you look at this chart:
www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
You'll see our murder rate is about half that of Finland.
If you check the homicide rate here:
www.met.police.uk/crimefigures/index.php
You'll see that the figure dropped 4.8% in the year to March 08 from the year to March 07.
I don't feel that London has become more dangerous at all, and the figures support that. I do worry that guns are starting to become more prevalent, but let's be honest who here as even seen a gun let alone seen someone shot.
Labour have massively increased inequality between rich & poor in this country, and that's at the root of most societal problems. If they had the guts to tax the rich & spend it on health & education in poorer areas we'd see a lot of things improve.
There do seem to have been a spate of killings recently, but I think it's blown out of all proportion by the media. I don't feel in danger in the slightest in London, and if you look at this chart: www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capitaYou'll see our murder rate is about half that of Finland. If you check the homicide rate here: www.met.police.uk/crimefigures/index.phpYou'll see that the figure dropped 4.8% in the year to March 08 from the year to March 07. I don't feel that London has become more dangerous at all, and the figures support that. I do worry that guns are starting to become more prevalent, but let's be honest who here as even seen a gun let alone seen someone shot. Labour have massively increased inequality between rich & poor in this country, and that's at the root of most societal problems. If they had the guts to tax the rich & spend it on health & education in poorer areas we'd see a lot of things improve. |
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grafter in the guardian., by nombei on Jul 11, 2008 6:02:11 GMT 1, i know the above comment about "who here has even seen a gun let alone seen someone shot" is probably more directed at the UK people, but sadly i think at least some of the people on here from the US could respond "i have" to both of those.
i've seen guns pulled on people before and each time it was a very surreal experience. and while i haven't actually seen someone get shot, i've heard a lot of shootings including one that took place about 10 feet from my front door.
poking your head out the window and seeing someone laid out on the sidewalk with blood pooling up around them is something i hope to not be faced with again....
i know the above comment about "who here has even seen a gun let alone seen someone shot" is probably more directed at the UK people, but sadly i think at least some of the people on here from the US could respond "i have" to both of those.
i've seen guns pulled on people before and each time it was a very surreal experience. and while i haven't actually seen someone get shot, i've heard a lot of shootings including one that took place about 10 feet from my front door.
poking your head out the window and seeing someone laid out on the sidewalk with blood pooling up around them is something i hope to not be faced with again....
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grafter in the guardian., by angel41 on Jul 11, 2008 8:48:41 GMT 1, I know the biggest deal is a lack of morals being passed down within families but one of the biggest problems is a lack of Police presence. This is mainly down to a lack of funding. There is one police station near where I live which covers a radius of 5 miles. It's open 3 days a week.
It's not the only service the govenment cuts back on either. I know for a fact that the powers that be are willing to let people die in house fires due to lack of funding.
I know the biggest deal is a lack of morals being passed down within families but one of the biggest problems is a lack of Police presence. This is mainly down to a lack of funding. There is one police station near where I live which covers a radius of 5 miles. It's open 3 days a week.
It's not the only service the govenment cuts back on either. I know for a fact that the powers that be are willing to let people die in house fires due to lack of funding.
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grafter in the guardian., by angryboy on Jul 11, 2008 9:25:32 GMT 1,
I agree totally. I've lived in Hackney for getting on ten years, an area that a lot of folk in London wouldn't live in based on how rough they perceive it from the media, and I feel completely safe walking around 99% of the time. Only time I'm ever slightly dodgy is if I'm my own stumbling past an estate drunk at 4am in the morning, still nothing's ever come of it though.
I agree totally. I've lived in Hackney for getting on ten years, an area that a lot of folk in London wouldn't live in based on how rough they perceive it from the media, and I feel completely safe walking around 99% of the time. Only time I'm ever slightly dodgy is if I'm my own stumbling past an estate drunk at 4am in the morning, still nothing's ever come of it though. |
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grafter in the guardian., by brun on Jul 11, 2008 19:16:57 GMT 1, the reason you feel safe is cos you are not a teenager . and not part of the culture that is spiralling out of control, you got to be in a gang to protect yourself , and carry weapons if need be , if you are in the wrong postcode , then you are dead meat .its not muggings anymore its just random violence ........
the reason you feel safe is cos you are not a teenager . and not part of the culture that is spiralling out of control, you got to be in a gang to protect yourself , and carry weapons if need be , if you are in the wrong postcode , then you are dead meat .its not muggings anymore its just random violence ........
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grafter in the guardian., by guest2 on Jul 11, 2008 20:17:31 GMT 1, the reason you feel safe is cos you are not a teenager . and not part of the culture that is spiralling out of control, you got to be in a gang to protect yourself , and carry weapons if need be , if you are in the wrong postcode , then you are dead meat .its not muggings anymore its just random violence ........
Yeah, Wanderers for ever! 
the reason you feel safe is cos you are not a teenager . and not part of the culture that is spiralling out of control, you got to be in a gang to protect yourself , and carry weapons if need be , if you are in the wrong postcode , then you are dead meat .its not muggings anymore its just random violence ........ Yeah, Wanderers for ever! |
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grafter in the guardian., by brun on Jul 12, 2008 0:46:35 GMT 1, riffs yeah right !
riffs yeah right !
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grafter in the guardian., by buckethead on Jul 12, 2008 11:48:06 GMT 1, big props to grafter.love or hate his work the guys got a heart
big props to grafter.love or hate his work the guys got a heart
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grafter in the guardian., by Grafter on Jul 13, 2008 0:11:41 GMT 1, I was incredibly touched by Ben's murder as it happened in a part of town that I was born, breed and still live in. My kids go to school only half a mile away from the scene and me and the missus regularly use the club he was in that night.
Although each time one of these senseless acts takes place we all feel disgust, sadness and hopelessly useless at finding a solution, this particular one was incredibly close to home for me and the whole situation suddenly became a whole lot more real to me. In some ways it made me feel guilty for not felling the same urgency at the previous killings, but I told myself that it had more to do with how desensitized we have become to such a horrendous act these days.
My guilt became even stronger when I started to realize that the anger I was felling towards Ben's murder was strongly being fueled by the location of the act and the fear that if it had happened 10 years on, that could well have been my own boy lying there.
Ultimately though, I feel, that whatever it takes for the urgency and importance of this current cancer in our society to become relevant to people can only be seen as a step closer to a solution.
Our politicians seem either uninterested or unwilling to do anything about it and the Old Bill are great at turning up after the event but completely useless at any kind of prevention. If a change is to happen it will only be brought about by the normal, everyday people of this country affecting it themselves. Once we have all been touched by the horror of these events it will only be then that as a society in general we will make it known that we will not stand for this behavior and demand a stop to it. There will always be individuals willing to act grotesquely outside the norms of society, but when the culture of that society is such that these acts are seen as everyday common occurrences the boundaries of acceptable behavior become blurred to such an extreme extent that a teenager will regularly arm himself and think nothing of using it......
I was incredibly touched by Ben's murder as it happened in a part of town that I was born, breed and still live in. My kids go to school only half a mile away from the scene and me and the missus regularly use the club he was in that night. Although each time one of these senseless acts takes place we all feel disgust, sadness and hopelessly useless at finding a solution, this particular one was incredibly close to home for me and the whole situation suddenly became a whole lot more real to me. In some ways it made me feel guilty for not felling the same urgency at the previous killings, but I told myself that it had more to do with how desensitized we have become to such a horrendous act these days. My guilt became even stronger when I started to realize that the anger I was felling towards Ben's murder was strongly being fueled by the location of the act and the fear that if it had happened 10 years on, that could well have been my own boy lying there. Ultimately though, I feel, that whatever it takes for the urgency and importance of this current cancer in our society to become relevant to people can only be seen as a step closer to a solution. Our politicians seem either uninterested or unwilling to do anything about it and the Old Bill are great at turning up after the event but completely useless at any kind of prevention. If a change is to happen it will only be brought about by the normal, everyday people of this country affecting it themselves. Once we have all been touched by the horror of these events it will only be then that as a society in general we will make it known that we will not stand for this behavior and demand a stop to it. There will always be individuals willing to act grotesquely outside the norms of society, but when the culture of that society is such that these acts are seen as everyday common occurrences the boundaries of acceptable behavior become blurred to such an extreme extent that a teenager will regularly arm himself and think nothing of using it...... |
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grafter in the guardian., by a4mnt on Jul 13, 2008 0:20:07 GMT 1, G - whats happening to that canvas? You gonna auction it off? Or is that the one that you left on the street.
Sorry I didn't make it out Thursday....would have got slaughtered with you boys as usual and had to go to work early Friday 
G - whats happening to that canvas? You gonna auction it off? Or is that the one that you left on the street. Sorry I didn't make it out Thursday....would have got slaughtered with you boys as usual and had to go to work early Friday |
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grafter in the guardian., by Grafter on Jul 13, 2008 0:30:47 GMT 1, Re Thursday:Your absence was noted, Mr Cracka.....and there is currently an ongoing disscusion as to a suitable punishment.
I left the canvas at the memorial for Ben. My message of condolance to his family is written of the back and it just felt more personal than a bunch of flowers.
The scene has become an extremly moving outburst of communal grief. Every paving slap and every brick in the wall around the area is covered in messages from Ben's family and friends and local people.
Re Thursday:Your absence was noted, Mr Cracka.....and there is currently an ongoing disscusion as to a suitable punishment.
I left the canvas at the memorial for Ben. My message of condolance to his family is written of the back and it just felt more personal than a bunch of flowers.
The scene has become an extremly moving outburst of communal grief. Every paving slap and every brick in the wall around the area is covered in messages from Ben's family and friends and local people.
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grafter in the guardian., by sahoria on Jul 13, 2008 0:35:25 GMT 1, something like this find hard to post about.... grafter can only say thank you.... i could go on writing more but think better to just leave how it is.... i think everyone picks up the papers and is shocked by what has happened... for you to do this on a personal level just proves to me what a top man you are.... never spoken to you before but really hand on heart appreciate the kind gesture you have done... im sure the family appreciate...all the best...s
something like this find hard to post about.... grafter can only say thank you.... i could go on writing more but think better to just leave how it is.... i think everyone picks up the papers and is shocked by what has happened... for you to do this on a personal level just proves to me what a top man you are.... never spoken to you before but really hand on heart appreciate the kind gesture you have done... im sure the family appreciate...all the best...s
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grafter in the guardian., by guest2 on Jul 13, 2008 4:00:13 GMT 1, ... I left the canvas at the memorial for Ben. My message of condolance to his family is written of the back and it just felt more personal than a bunch of flowers. The scene has become an extremly moving outburst of communal grief. Every paving slap and every brick in the wall around the area is covered in messages from Ben's family and friends and local people.
I know this was close to home for you. You're a good man Grafter and you paint well.
... I left the canvas at the memorial for Ben. My message of condolance to his family is written of the back and it just felt more personal than a bunch of flowers. The scene has become an extremly moving outburst of communal grief. Every paving slap and every brick in the wall around the area is covered in messages from Ben's family and friends and local people. I know this was close to home for you. You're a good man Grafter and you paint well. |
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grafter in the guardian., by achtungbono on Jul 13, 2008 7:29:31 GMT 1, I have rarely been as appalled as I have been reading the right wing media driven toss that has been posted on this thread.
I have rarely been as appalled as I have been reading the right wing media driven toss that has been posted on this thread.
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grafter in the guardian., by a4mnt on Jul 13, 2008 15:57:39 GMT 1, I have rarely been as appalled as I have been reading the right wing media driven toss that has been posted on this thread.
Maybe you'd like to give us your view and opinion on this. I'm sure it would be appreciated, if anything, just to expand on your above comment.
Debate is aways welcomed, otherwise what point is the forum.
I have rarely been as appalled as I have been reading the right wing media driven toss that has been posted on this thread. Maybe you'd like to give us your view and opinion on this. I'm sure it would be appreciated, if anything, just to expand on your above comment. Debate is aways welcomed, otherwise what point is the forum. |
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grafter in the guardian., by Happy Shopper on Jul 13, 2008 19:50:24 GMT 1, Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you see it) no more people are being stabbed now than at any other time, it just fills the column inches at the moment.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you see it) no more people are being stabbed now than at any other time, it just fills the column inches at the moment.
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grafter in the guardian., by pezlow on Jul 13, 2008 19:52:19 GMT 1, I have rarely been as appalled as I have been reading the right wing media driven toss that has been posted on this thread. Maybe you'd like to give us your view and opinion on this. I'm sure it would be appreciated, if anything, just to expand on your above comment. Debate is aways welcomed, otherwise what point is the forum.
Achtungbono has a point though cracka. I didn't expect some of the views spouted on this thread on a banksy forum 
I have rarely been as appalled as I have been reading the right wing media driven toss that has been posted on this thread. Maybe you'd like to give us your view and opinion on this. I'm sure it would be appreciated, if anything, just to expand on your above comment. Debate is aways welcomed, otherwise what point is the forum. Achtungbono has a point though cracka. I didn't expect some of the views spouted on this thread on a banksy forum |
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grafter in the guardian., by bobbyt23 on Jul 13, 2008 19:57:56 GMT 1, Maybe you'd like to give us your view and opinion on this. I'm sure it would be appreciated, if anything, just to expand on your above comment. Debate is aways welcomed, otherwise what point is the forum. Achtungbono has a point though cracka. I didn't expect some of the views spouted on this thread on a banksy forum
But conversely (dont think that's spelt correctly) it just shows how Banksy's work appeals to a wide range of people.
Maybe you'd like to give us your view and opinion on this. I'm sure it would be appreciated, if anything, just to expand on your above comment. Debate is aways welcomed, otherwise what point is the forum. Achtungbono has a point though cracka. I didn't expect some of the views spouted on this thread on a banksy forum But conversely (dont think that's spelt correctly) it just shows how Banksy's work appeals to a wide range of people. |
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grafter in the guardian., by Happy Shopper on Jul 13, 2008 20:05:32 GMT 1, Achtungbono has a point though cracka. I didn't expect some of the views spouted on this thread on a banksy forum But conversely (dont think that's spelt correctly) it just shows how Banksy's work appeals to a wide range of people.
What it shows it that a lot of people like the pretty pictures. 
Achtungbono has a point though cracka. I didn't expect some of the views spouted on this thread on a banksy forum But conversely (dont think that's spelt correctly) it just shows how Banksy's work appeals to a wide range of people. What it shows it that a lot of people like the pretty pictures. |
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grafter in the guardian., by rhodesy2112 on Jul 13, 2008 20:53:48 GMT 1, Maybe you'd like to give us your view and opinion on this. I'm sure it would be appreciated, if anything, just to expand on your above comment. Debate is aways welcomed, otherwise what point is the forum. Achtungbono has a point though cracka. I didn't expect some of the views spouted on this thread on a banksy forum
Really!!! Why not?
Maybe you'd like to give us your view and opinion on this. I'm sure it would be appreciated, if anything, just to expand on your above comment. Debate is aways welcomed, otherwise what point is the forum. Achtungbono has a point though cracka. I didn't expect some of the views spouted on this thread on a banksy forum Really!!! Why not? |
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grafter in the guardian., by a4mnt on Jul 14, 2008 18:17:43 GMT 1, Maybe you'd like to give us your view and opinion on this. I'm sure it would be appreciated, if anything, just to expand on your above comment. Debate is aways welcomed, otherwise what point is the forum. Achtungbono has a point though cracka. I didn't expect some of the views spouted on this thread on a banksy forum
I'm not suggesting he hasn't Pez. I just wanted him to explain his statement for the good of debate in general.
Maybe you'd like to give us your view and opinion on this. I'm sure it would be appreciated, if anything, just to expand on your above comment. Debate is aways welcomed, otherwise what point is the forum. Achtungbono has a point though cracka. I didn't expect some of the views spouted on this thread on a banksy forum I'm not suggesting he hasn't Pez. I just wanted him to explain his statement for the good of debate in general. |
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grafter in the guardian., by ceba on Jul 14, 2008 18:47:07 GMT 1, This government does not give a damm about knife crime. Their happy to let it go on amonst the dysfuntional kids with no role models in their lives. Straw sees it as a way to impose fines on kids caught carring a knife and they will use it to increase Police power that will affect us all in time. Security for freedom is a misconception used by this government to impose a Police state.
This government does not give a damm about knife crime. Their happy to let it go on amonst the dysfuntional kids with no role models in their lives. Straw sees it as a way to impose fines on kids caught carring a knife and they will use it to increase Police power that will affect us all in time. Security for freedom is a misconception used by this government to impose a Police state.
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grafter in the guardian., by ruat caelum on Jul 14, 2008 19:16:03 GMT 1, This government does not give a damm about knife crime. Their happy to let it go on amonst the dysfuntional kids with no role models in their lives. Straw sees it as a way to impose fines on kids caught carring a knife and they will use it to increase Police power that will affect us all in time. Security for freedom is a misconception used by this government to impose a Police state.
I don't think you're going to get a "Well said Ceba!" comment from Silky this time. Towards the end of your post, you began sounding a bit left-wing.
This government does not give a damm about knife crime. Their happy to let it go on amonst the dysfuntional kids with no role models in their lives. Straw sees it as a way to impose fines on kids caught carring a knife and they will use it to increase Police power that will affect us all in time. Security for freedom is a misconception used by this government to impose a Police state. I don't think you're going to get a "Well said Ceba!" comment from Silky this time. Towards the end of your post, you began sounding a bit left-wing. |
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Why not?
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