grollies
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by grollies on Aug 13, 2009 19:29:48 GMT 1, Hi All.
I've just read the Luke Dixon generated thread
"ยฃ30-45 portraits and a favour".
I thought that I'd add my penneth worth.
I bought and paid for 6 Originals by an Artist on this Forum
approx September last year.
I have had nothing but excuses since. (Up until my last pm approx
2 months ago, which, as it happens, received no response.)
If I remember correctly it took over 4 months to receive the first 3
of them.
I am still waiting for the others.
Best excuse was that "they" couldn't afford the postage to send
them to me.
This Artist is an active member of this Forum.
At this very moment in time I will not reveal the Artists name
just incase this is an oversight on their part.
BUT I will, in time...................................
These were not expensive Originals but thats not the point.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and I hope that the Artist
in question does and remembers "Their" oversight.
Cheers
Hi All.
I've just read the Luke Dixon generated thread
"ยฃ30-45 portraits and a favour".
I thought that I'd add my penneth worth.
I bought and paid for 6 Originals by an Artist on this Forum
approx September last year.
I have had nothing but excuses since. (Up until my last pm approx
2 months ago, which, as it happens, received no response.)
If I remember correctly it took over 4 months to receive the first 3
of them.
I am still waiting for the others.
Best excuse was that "they" couldn't afford the postage to send
them to me.
This Artist is an active member of this Forum.
At this very moment in time I will not reveal the Artists name
just incase this is an oversight on their part.
BUT I will, in time...................................
These were not expensive Originals but thats not the point.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and I hope that the Artist
in question does and remembers "Their" oversight.
Cheers
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by wizzy on Aug 13, 2009 19:34:41 GMT 1, I hope the Artist in question sees this and sorts it out for you Grollies.
I hope the Artist in question sees this and sorts it out for you Grollies.
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idris
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by idris on Aug 14, 2009 0:30:34 GMT 1, This selling of art malarki needs to be a bit more regulated me thinks on this forum. It's a bloody shame another forum member having a bad experience - despite showing great patience and allowing the 'artist' to post art work.
Oh hang on artist cannot afford postage? wtf - can sell art work but cannot post?
This selling of art malarki needs to be a bit more regulated me thinks on this forum. It's a bloody shame another forum member having a bad experience - despite showing great patience and allowing the 'artist' to post art work.
Oh hang on artist cannot afford postage? wtf - can sell art work but cannot post?
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Heavyconsumer
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Heavyconsumer on Aug 14, 2009 1:05:57 GMT 1, That's just shameful imo! To accept payment and not keep enough set aside to complete fulfillment of the actual order concerned is absurd. You don't have to be brain of Britain to work that out, especially if you're someone used to living on a tight budget.
I've bought from some of the artists in here too and ALWAYS been exceptionally impressed with the way I was treated and how responsive they were to my messages (THANKS). I'd like to think that the above scenario and the Luke Dixon thread are the exception, rather than the norm' - there are a lot of artists in the forum these days after all. I also hope that artists will take pride in having people pay for their work and the service they give in return if people are open about sharing these experiences. Word of mouth happens to be the best marketing out there (and it's FREE!).
That's just shameful imo! To accept payment and not keep enough set aside to complete fulfillment of the actual order concerned is absurd. You don't have to be brain of Britain to work that out, especially if you're someone used to living on a tight budget.
I've bought from some of the artists in here too and ALWAYS been exceptionally impressed with the way I was treated and how responsive they were to my messages (THANKS). I'd like to think that the above scenario and the Luke Dixon thread are the exception, rather than the norm' - there are a lot of artists in the forum these days after all. I also hope that artists will take pride in having people pay for their work and the service they give in return if people are open about sharing these experiences. Word of mouth happens to be the best marketing out there (and it's FREE!).
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curiousgeorge
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by curiousgeorge on Aug 14, 2009 15:40:10 GMT 1, To be fair Banksy has been rather busy of late..
On a serious note I've been messed around in the past, but given the amount of trading and selling,thankfully it seldom happens on here
Bump for the Artist
To be fair Banksy has been rather busy of late..
On a serious note I've been messed around in the past, but given the amount of trading and selling,thankfully it seldom happens on here
Bump for the Artist
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by craigf on Aug 14, 2009 17:54:54 GMT 1, I have bought direct from SPQR, Sickboy, Static plus other artists on here and every time it has been a painless experience. Big up for these guys and hope this gets sorted
I have bought direct from SPQR, Sickboy, Static plus other artists on here and every time it has been a painless experience. Big up for these guys and hope this gets sorted
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by lumbo on Aug 14, 2009 18:16:17 GMT 1, there are a lot of artists in the forum these days after all. Maybe it would be wise to regulate who actually gets an artist title a bit more.
Maybe they could just create a new star, for charlatans...
there are a lot of artists in the forum these days after all. Maybe it would be wise to regulate who actually gets an artist title a bit more. Maybe they could just create a new star, for charlatans...
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Eton Groover
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Eton Groover on Aug 14, 2009 18:23:52 GMT 1, Maybe it would be wise to regulate who actually gets an artist title a bit more. Maybe they could just create a new star, for charlatans...
I think we would all end up with one.
Maybe it would be wise to regulate who actually gets an artist title a bit more. Maybe they could just create a new star, for charlatans... I think we would all end up with one.
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by lumbo on Aug 14, 2009 18:28:25 GMT 1, Maybe they could just create a new star, for charlatans... I think we would all end up with one.
Well, I'm star-less, so guess it'd be a start ;D
Maybe they could just create a new star, for charlatans... I think we would all end up with one. Well, I'm star-less, so guess it'd be a start ;D
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eduarandres
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by eduarandres on Aug 14, 2009 19:42:46 GMT 1, I did a Trade with one nearly 3 months ago and still waiting but apart from that i have deal with 6 to 7 other artist and the experience has been really good and sometimes you commision something and they deliver something better , never been dissapointed with commisions
I did a Trade with one nearly 3 months ago and still waiting but apart from that i have deal with 6 to 7 other artist and the experience has been really good and sometimes you commision something and they deliver something better , never been dissapointed with commisions
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Oliver Winconek on Aug 16, 2009 10:02:37 GMT 1, It's not just buyers that get stung, us Artists do as well -
A few of you will remember a while ago I worked on a D*face cli-che that had been damaged, it belonged to a forum member who will remain anonymous although lets just say you would see him quite often around the festive season. Anyway, I worked on the print, then santa, sorry, sent it back to the guy at my expense.
On countless occasions I have been promised payment/artwork in return but have got nothing, obviously I have not been a good boy this year but I thought you were at least supposed to get a lump of coal or something!
As a result I have now lost faith in all that is good and pure, I know no longer belive in the tooth fairy, Father xmas or Smurfs
It's not just buyers that get stung, us Artists do as well - A few of you will remember a while ago I worked on a D*face cli-che that had been damaged, it belonged to a forum member who will remain anonymous although lets just say you would see him quite often around the festive season. Anyway, I worked on the print, then santa, sorry, sent it back to the guy at my expense. On countless occasions I have been promised payment/artwork in return but have got nothing, obviously I have not been a good boy this year but I thought you were at least supposed to get a lump of coal or something! As a result I have now lost faith in all that is good and pure, I know no longer belive in the tooth fairy, Father xmas or Smurfs
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Sacked... on Aug 16, 2009 10:08:21 GMT 1, Sorry to hear that Oliver.Would i be right in saying that this person was raving about it on here and then put it on Ebay ?
Sorry to hear that Oliver.Would i be right in saying that this person was raving about it on here and then put it on Ebay ?
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by wizzy on Aug 16, 2009 10:09:58 GMT 1, ......... and has a hairy toe?.
......... and has a hairy toe?.
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Oliver Winconek on Aug 16, 2009 10:17:44 GMT 1, Yep thats the one, he certainly did put it on ebay, even saying there was going to be a donation to charity to assuage his guilt. However I can neither confirm or deny the hairy toe
Yep thats the one, he certainly did put it on ebay, even saying there was going to be a donation to charity to assuage his guilt. However I can neither confirm or deny the hairy toe
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Sacked... on Aug 16, 2009 10:21:43 GMT 1, I cant remember if it sold though ?
I cant remember if it sold though ?
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Oliver Winconek on Aug 16, 2009 10:26:00 GMT 1, I cant remember if it sold though ?
Not a clue tbh, I know he took it off their when it got pulled by ebay for some reason but then he put it back up a few weeks later with a different listing
I cant remember if it sold though ? Not a clue tbh, I know he took it off their when it got pulled by ebay for some reason but then he put it back up a few weeks later with a different listing
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Sacked... on Aug 16, 2009 10:29:03 GMT 1, BTW Oliver,how can you say you dont believe in the tooth fairy -you've met her !!
BTW Oliver,how can you say you dont believe in the tooth fairy -you've met her !!
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Oliver Winconek on Aug 16, 2009 10:30:34 GMT 1, BTW Oliver,how can you say you dont believe in the tooth fairy -you've met her !!
Ha ha good point, I kind of feel that her ending up winning the giveaway of one of my paintings was only fair after all the pound coins she gave me over the years
BTW Oliver,how can you say you dont believe in the tooth fairy -you've met her !! Ha ha good point, I kind of feel that her ending up winning the giveaway of one of my paintings was only fair after all the pound coins she gave me over the years
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chrisps303
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by chrisps303 on Aug 16, 2009 10:54:05 GMT 1, BTW Oliver,how can you say you dont believe in the tooth fairy -you've met her !! Ha ha good point, I kind of feel that her ending up winning the giveaway of one of my paintings was only fair after all the pound coins she gave me over the years
Pound coins, christ your tooth fairey must have been well of. I only ever got 20p for my teeth
BTW Oliver,how can you say you dont believe in the tooth fairy -you've met her !! Ha ha good point, I kind of feel that her ending up winning the giveaway of one of my paintings was only fair after all the pound coins she gave me over the years Pound coins, christ your tooth fairey must have been well of. I only ever got 20p for my teeth
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by wizzy on Aug 16, 2009 10:56:27 GMT 1, I only got IOUs off the cow.
I only got IOUs off the cow.
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G-Man
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by G-Man on Aug 16, 2009 11:02:45 GMT 1, Its a real shame that this sort of thing occurs
I had a similar experience with an artist, he doesnt post on here, but one of the artists on here put me in touch with him
I commissioned a piece for my little girls room from him after loving his stuff at Cans last year, I thought his was one of the stand out pieces there and my little girl loved it
After lots of emails and having my money for 4 months the piece never arrived, a variety of excuses were given, personal, financial etc....
In the end he said that he was sorry for messing me about for so long and would refund and do the piece for free for my lil un......... weeks passed again and after a few quite short emails he finally refunded my money but never did do the canvas for my lil uns bedroom
Its a real shame that this doesnt seem to be unusual for folks here, those of you with kids will know how hard it is once you have told them that they are getting a certain present that now they aren't!?
Its a real shame that this sort of thing occurs
I had a similar experience with an artist, he doesnt post on here, but one of the artists on here put me in touch with him
I commissioned a piece for my little girls room from him after loving his stuff at Cans last year, I thought his was one of the stand out pieces there and my little girl loved it
After lots of emails and having my money for 4 months the piece never arrived, a variety of excuses were given, personal, financial etc....
In the end he said that he was sorry for messing me about for so long and would refund and do the piece for free for my lil un......... weeks passed again and after a few quite short emails he finally refunded my money but never did do the canvas for my lil uns bedroom
Its a real shame that this doesnt seem to be unusual for folks here, those of you with kids will know how hard it is once you have told them that they are getting a certain present that now they aren't!?
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BONZO
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by BONZO on Aug 17, 2009 23:45:42 GMT 1, there are a lot of artists in the forum these days after all. Maybe it would be wise to regulate who actually gets an artist title a bit more.
what he said!!!!
there are a lot of artists in the forum these days after all. Maybe it would be wise to regulate who actually gets an artist title a bit more. what he said!!!!
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by bullet on Aug 18, 2009 0:50:28 GMT 1, I cant remember if it sold though ? Not a clue tbh, I know he took it off their when it got pulled by ebay for some reason but then he put it back up a few weeks later with a different listing
xmas never sold it because its a worthless piece of junk. No disrespect to you oliver, it just that ultimately the print is scratched which more than halves the price of a print and he got it touched up then had the cheek to try and sell it for more than the thing would have been worth if it was mint.
i know he is still on here like a floater and i will hunt him down one day.
he is on 'my list'
I cant remember if it sold though ? Not a clue tbh, I know he took it off their when it got pulled by ebay for some reason but then he put it back up a few weeks later with a different listing xmas never sold it because its a worthless piece of junk. No disrespect to you oliver, it just that ultimately the print is scratched which more than halves the price of a print and he got it touched up then had the cheek to try and sell it for more than the thing would have been worth if it was mint. i know he is still on here like a floater and i will hunt him down one day. he is on 'my list'
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Art-el
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Art-el on Aug 18, 2009 6:24:51 GMT 1, Maybe it would be wise to regulate who actually gets an artist title a bit more. what he said!!!!
DEFINATELY What they said. Anyone calling themselves an artist with an flickr account and an email to the management. Hey presto, a red star
Maybe it would be wise to regulate who actually gets an artist title a bit more. what he said!!!! DEFINATELY What they said. Anyone calling themselves an artist with an flickr account and an email to the management. Hey presto, a red star
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by lumbo on Aug 18, 2009 8:28:16 GMT 1, DEFINATELY What they said. Anyone calling themselves an artist with an flickr account and an email to the management. Hey presto, a red star
Ha. So true
DEFINATELY What they said. Anyone calling themselves an artist with an flickr account and an email to the management. Hey presto, a red star Ha. So true
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Joseph Loughborough on Aug 18, 2009 12:52:04 GMT 1, Maybe Artists should earn little stars like the rest of you guys to show dependancy ect? This may put people off if they are concidering buying off a new Artist who has none on the other hand? dow!
Maybe Artists should earn little stars like the rest of you guys to show dependancy ect? This may put people off if they are concidering buying off a new Artist who has none on the other hand? dow!
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by hero on Aug 18, 2009 12:55:29 GMT 1, i had to spend a long time getting mine, silky kept saying that there were 'criteria that needed to be filled' he never told me what these criteria were, but they stopped me getting a red star for about 3 months...so i think there are some procedures in place
artists do also get stung, out of the 4 shows i have been a part of 1 has had work stolen and i have subsequently been snubbed by that gallery, who told me in december that they would put my work on their site...i am still waiting, they still have the works. i am also waiting on payment from another show which was nearly 6 months ago, but i will not go into that one, as i feel the courts may need to sort that one out
i had to spend a long time getting mine, silky kept saying that there were 'criteria that needed to be filled' he never told me what these criteria were, but they stopped me getting a red star for about 3 months...so i think there are some procedures in place artists do also get stung, out of the 4 shows i have been a part of 1 has had work stolen and i have subsequently been snubbed by that gallery, who told me in december that they would put my work on their site...i am still waiting, they still have the works. i am also waiting on payment from another show which was nearly 6 months ago, but i will not go into that one, as i feel the courts may need to sort that one out
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Heavyconsumer
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Heavyconsumer on Aug 18, 2009 19:34:17 GMT 1, i had to spend a long time getting mine, silky kept saying that there were 'criteria that needed to be filled' he never told me what these criteria were, but they stopped me getting a red star for about 3 months...so i think there are some procedures in place artists do also get stung, out of the 4 shows i have been a part of 1 has had work stolen and i have subsequently been snubbed by that gallery, who told me in december that they would put my work on their site...i am still waiting, they still have the works. i am also waiting on payment from another show which was nearly 6 months ago, but i will not go into that one, as i feel the courts may need to sort that one out
Sorry for your troubles Hero (hope you get paid naturally), but none of this is very relevant imo except your 1st line or 2. I don't mean to be a p*ick, but an artist may lose a few hours of their time and a few quid in materials for something a member might pay let's say between ยฃ30-130 for. Ultimately artists produce art (by definition)! That's what they do, regardless of whether someone's buying it or not. Artists with just a year or two or a few years experience, producing art to order is a new concept for me and as a stand alone model it really doesn't work imho. Either you're an artist or your not, but being one doesn't and shouldn't guarantee a living imo. There are loads of talented artists out there who struggle to sell their work (they're a dime a dozen, especially these days). Customers are an honour that some of you seem to appreciate more than others (no fingers pointed your way of course, you seem a nice fella and noone's ever complained about you to my knowledge). People sending their money and losing it, don't want to hear about artists getting knocked, and that isn't their problem or the subject of this thread.
Personally I feel the answer might be to have a code of conduct for artists, based on that red star they receive...... And I think the best way to go about that, is for members to make serious suggestions as to what they think should be expected of artists or people offering services within the forum e.g. (for instance) Artists not being obliged to sell, but being obligated to honour promises after accepting money for works. Or perhaps not asking for more than 50% of the value (or up to a fixed cap) before completing and photographing the piece etc etc.... Let's see what sort of ideas people have instead of just complaining about it and perhaps give admin something to work with. It's easy to find fault people, so if you really want to improve the system, throw your ideas into the ring and maybe some of them will come to fruition or lead to positive change.
i had to spend a long time getting mine, silky kept saying that there were 'criteria that needed to be filled' he never told me what these criteria were, but they stopped me getting a red star for about 3 months...so i think there are some procedures in place artists do also get stung, out of the 4 shows i have been a part of 1 has had work stolen and i have subsequently been snubbed by that gallery, who told me in december that they would put my work on their site...i am still waiting, they still have the works. i am also waiting on payment from another show which was nearly 6 months ago, but i will not go into that one, as i feel the courts may need to sort that one out Sorry for your troubles Hero (hope you get paid naturally), but none of this is very relevant imo except your 1st line or 2. I don't mean to be a p*ick, but an artist may lose a few hours of their time and a few quid in materials for something a member might pay let's say between ยฃ30-130 for. Ultimately artists produce art (by definition)! That's what they do, regardless of whether someone's buying it or not. Artists with just a year or two or a few years experience, producing art to order is a new concept for me and as a stand alone model it really doesn't work imho. Either you're an artist or your not, but being one doesn't and shouldn't guarantee a living imo. There are loads of talented artists out there who struggle to sell their work (they're a dime a dozen, especially these days). Customers are an honour that some of you seem to appreciate more than others (no fingers pointed your way of course, you seem a nice fella and noone's ever complained about you to my knowledge). People sending their money and losing it, don't want to hear about artists getting knocked, and that isn't their problem or the subject of this thread. Personally I feel the answer might be to have a code of conduct for artists, based on that red star they receive...... And I think the best way to go about that, is for members to make serious suggestions as to what they think should be expected of artists or people offering services within the forum e.g. (for instance) Artists not being obliged to sell, but being obligated to honour promises after accepting money for works. Or perhaps not asking for more than 50% of the value (or up to a fixed cap) before completing and photographing the piece etc etc.... Let's see what sort of ideas people have instead of just complaining about it and perhaps give admin something to work with. It's easy to find fault people, so if you really want to improve the system, throw your ideas into the ring and maybe some of them will come to fruition or lead to positive change.
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by Happy Shopper on Aug 18, 2009 21:40:23 GMT 1, I don't mean to be a p*ick, but an artist may lose a few hours of their time and a few quid in materials for something a member might pay let's say between ยฃ30-130 for.
Just a few hours and materials lost! Are you having a laugh? Is that what art is worth?
I don't mean to be a p*ick, but an artist may lose a few hours of their time and a few quid in materials for something a member might pay let's say between ยฃ30-130 for. Just a few hours and materials lost! Are you having a laugh? Is that what art is worth?
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Another Artist That Does NOT Deliver...., by afroken on Aug 18, 2009 21:44:45 GMT 1, I don't mean to be a p*ick, but an artist may lose a few hours of their time and a few quid in materials for something a member might pay let's say between ยฃ30-130 for. Just a few hours and materials lost! Are you having a laugh? Is that what art is worth?
Some art isn't even worth that!
I don't mean to be a p*ick, but an artist may lose a few hours of their time and a few quid in materials for something a member might pay let's say between ยฃ30-130 for. Just a few hours and materials lost! Are you having a laugh? Is that what art is worth? Some art isn't even worth that!
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