savilerogue
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by savilerogue on Sept 14, 2008 10:44:19 GMT 1, I would like to know who exactly are the 'members' of Vermin and why they feel they are able to 'professionally authenticate' the Banksy street pieces. Who are these so called Banksy 'experts'?
Somewhat conveniently, they wish to remain anonymous. I guess the reasoning is that if nobody knows the identity of the so-called 'experts' then nobody can actually examine their credentials.
I would like to know who exactly are the 'members' of Vermin and why they feel they are able to 'professionally authenticate' the Banksy street pieces. Who are these so called Banksy 'experts'? Somewhat conveniently, they wish to remain anonymous. I guess the reasoning is that if nobody knows the identity of the so-called 'experts' then nobody can actually examine their credentials.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by sonofwezzley on Sept 14, 2008 10:50:24 GMT 1, = James Allen of Punkdaisy
= James Allen of Punkdaisy
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by mose on Sept 14, 2008 11:07:28 GMT 1, Not sure why 'professional opinion authentication' cannot be authentication. Is this not how Warhol's estate verifies works? No, not at all. Warhol's Foundation actually has a link to the artist for starters, as it was founded by in accordance with Warhol's will, and has access to all the original documentation etc..
Please, be careful saying anything remotely positive at all about the Warhol Foundation and their authentication work. I wouldn't want you to give people the wrong idea.
Not sure why 'professional opinion authentication' cannot be authentication. Is this not how Warhol's estate verifies works? No, not at all. Warhol's Foundation actually has a link to the artist for starters, as it was founded by in accordance with Warhol's will, and has access to all the original documentation etc.. Please, be careful saying anything remotely positive at all about the Warhol Foundation and their authentication work. I wouldn't want you to give people the wrong idea.
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funyoung
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by funyoung on Sept 14, 2008 11:32:48 GMT 1, Regardless this vermin will make lots of money as they have a nice mayfair address. You will get some arab or film star with too much money passing by on their way to nobu and pop in. It all about perception. If Joe Bloggs saw a banksy in a mayfair gallery window he wouldnt question authenticity. If he saw one on the stall of a hackney bootsale.......... just my opinion
But the statement says the opinion will be given free. Only if you believe it is all insider-dealing / a large conspiracy will they make 'lots of money'.
If I had a street piece (I don't) and wanted to sell then the 'Vermin COA' will be worth more than 'no COA at all' as I know PestControl won't give them out. Best thing Banksy could do now is 'authenticate' all works (both real and fake) as that would result in plummeting marke values for 'street pieces'. Bit hard to justify ethically and organisationally of course but would be a good way out. IMO PestControl only have themselves to blame for the emergence of 'Vermin'.
Regardless this vermin will make lots of money as they have a nice mayfair address. You will get some arab or film star with too much money passing by on their way to nobu and pop in. It all about perception. If Joe Bloggs saw a banksy in a mayfair gallery window he wouldnt question authenticity. If he saw one on the stall of a hackney bootsale.......... just my opinion But the statement says the opinion will be given free. Only if you believe it is all insider-dealing / a large conspiracy will they make 'lots of money'. If I had a street piece (I don't) and wanted to sell then the 'Vermin COA' will be worth more than 'no COA at all' as I know PestControl won't give them out. Best thing Banksy could do now is 'authenticate' all works (both real and fake) as that would result in plummeting marke values for 'street pieces'. Bit hard to justify ethically and organisationally of course but would be a good way out. IMO PestControl only have themselves to blame for the emergence of 'Vermin'.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by manty on Sept 14, 2008 11:59:40 GMT 1, It sounds like a great money making business though, I wonder if they will actually issue Vermin COAs to anyones banksy pieces, or just the ones 'they' own.
It sounds like a great money making business though, I wonder if they will actually issue Vermin COAs to anyones banksy pieces, or just the ones 'they' own.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by baileymontana on Sept 14, 2008 12:13:41 GMT 1, Hasn't Eine already stated that he stencilled some Banksy pieces whilst out painting with him. It just takes Pest Control issuing a statement once a piece is sold for a lot of money saying categorically that a piece was sprayed by someone else and Vermin are in a lot of trouble. However long it takes this is likely to happen at some point.
I do think as mentioned above Vermin has been set up to sell the pieces they own and I think Pest Control and Banksy will be clever enough to issue statements and cause doubt as pieces are sold and are authenticated by Vermin.
Hasn't Eine already stated that he stencilled some Banksy pieces whilst out painting with him. It just takes Pest Control issuing a statement once a piece is sold for a lot of money saying categorically that a piece was sprayed by someone else and Vermin are in a lot of trouble. However long it takes this is likely to happen at some point.
I do think as mentioned above Vermin has been set up to sell the pieces they own and I think Pest Control and Banksy will be clever enough to issue statements and cause doubt as pieces are sold and are authenticated by Vermin.
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savilerogue
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by savilerogue on Sept 14, 2008 12:43:03 GMT 1, Yes 'A Little Bird' there are fake Banksys (and Warhols and other artists) and something at auction that looks very similar may not be genuine. But as I said, Vermin would be liable if they okayed a piece later found to be fake.
But they wouldn't be 'liable' in any meaningful sense, would they? As they overtly state, they are giving 'professional opinion', not the cast-iron guarantee that genuine authentication gives.
Savillerogue, I am loving your faith in Warhol's board.
I don't have much faith in them, actually. My point was that this Vermin venture is even more ill-founded than Warhol's. Anyone who places any faith in the judgment of nameless 'experts' who probably have a vested interest in authenticating street pieces needs their head examining in my opinion.
I really hope that after every piece is 'authenticated' by Vermin, Pest Control announces that the piece in question is a fake.
Yes 'A Little Bird' there are fake Banksys (and Warhols and other artists) and something at auction that looks very similar may not be genuine. But as I said, Vermin would be liable if they okayed a piece later found to be fake. But they wouldn't be 'liable' in any meaningful sense, would they? As they overtly state, they are giving 'professional opinion', not the cast-iron guarantee that genuine authentication gives. Savillerogue, I am loving your faith in Warhol's board. I don't have much faith in them, actually. My point was that this Vermin venture is even more ill-founded than Warhol's. Anyone who places any faith in the judgment of nameless 'experts' who probably have a vested interest in authenticating street pieces needs their head examining in my opinion. I really hope that after every piece is 'authenticated' by Vermin, Pest Control announces that the piece in question is a fake.
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savilerogue
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by savilerogue on Sept 14, 2008 12:51:59 GMT 1, Actually I think they might be liable. If they sell something as an 'authentic Banksy street work' which is then proved to be fake the buyer could get their money back (at least). Probably with interest and maybe more. Thats what I meant by liable.
But they won't sell it as such, will they? They will sell it as 'authenticated by Vermin', which only means that some people at Vermin are of the opinion that it was produced by Banksy. As far as I'm aware, a buyer would have no basis in law to argue misrepresentation should the piece subsequently be discovered to be a fake. The person who had requested the 'authentication' from Vermin, is similarly only buying an opinion (in a market that is not regulated in the same way as legal or financial advice) so has no legal comeback should Vermin get it wrong.
Actually I think they might be liable. If they sell something as an 'authentic Banksy street work' which is then proved to be fake the buyer could get their money back (at least). Probably with interest and maybe more. Thats what I meant by liable. But they won't sell it as such, will they? They will sell it as 'authenticated by Vermin', which only means that some people at Vermin are of the opinion that it was produced by Banksy. As far as I'm aware, a buyer would have no basis in law to argue misrepresentation should the piece subsequently be discovered to be a fake. The person who had requested the 'authentication' from Vermin, is similarly only buying an opinion (in a market that is not regulated in the same way as legal or financial advice) so has no legal comeback should Vermin get it wrong.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by orangematt on Sept 14, 2008 13:14:33 GMT 1, this is a Scam .. because they have bought/stolen alot of street work (that is worthless without PC authentication) they decide to authenticate it themselves !! laughable ... they take a name that the general public could easily confuse for the real thing (vermin/pest control-- bit like the dodgy perfume market traders sell like Chenal no5!) .. you can almost guarantee their authentication will include a get out clause if a piece they say is for real turns out hooky ... they think they got it easy as who can say a piece a fake ? pest control! who do not look at street pieces ... Its the auction house who accepts this that is really going to be putting their reputation on the line .. just to make some easy money ! shame on them ... and whoever is behind Vermin are probably the type of parasite who couldn't give a flyingfuck about the art anyway...
this is a Scam .. because they have bought/stolen alot of street work (that is worthless without PC authentication) they decide to authenticate it themselves !! laughable ... they take a name that the general public could easily confuse for the real thing (vermin/pest control-- bit like the dodgy perfume market traders sell like Chenal no5!) .. you can almost guarantee their authentication will include a get out clause if a piece they say is for real turns out hooky ... they think they got it easy as who can say a piece a fake ? pest control! who do not look at street pieces ... Its the auction house who accepts this that is really going to be putting their reputation on the line .. just to make some easy money ! shame on them ... and whoever is behind Vermin are probably the type of parasite who couldn't give a flyingfuck about the art anyway...
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deckstar
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by deckstar on Sept 14, 2008 13:30:28 GMT 1, I totaly agree with you SPQR, these guys are just a bunch of leechers who have found a niche in the market, these guys aren't stupid they would have in no doubt put a clause in to say "in our opinion this is a banksy" really the opinion is worthless unless they are authorised by a governing body. It is exactly the same as a post on the board here, e.g. the banksy grenade that was posted up a few days ago and asked is this real. We gave our opinion maybe we should do a banksy.info COA. No difference in my opinion.
I totaly agree with you SPQR, these guys are just a bunch of leechers who have found a niche in the market, these guys aren't stupid they would have in no doubt put a clause in to say "in our opinion this is a banksy" really the opinion is worthless unless they are authorised by a governing body. It is exactly the same as a post on the board here, e.g. the banksy grenade that was posted up a few days ago and asked is this real. We gave our opinion maybe we should do a banksy.info COA. No difference in my opinion.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by orangematt on Sept 14, 2008 13:45:58 GMT 1, Not so, a scam means being fraudulent. They are giving authentication to genuine Banksy street pieces. They are not selling bunksys. You are part right though that they are only able to do this because PC refuse to comment.
It is a SCAM , they will be certifying pieces they 'own' to increase the auction value and to attempt to validate them.. IMO to authenticate yourself something you own to increase its value is fraudulent. It is also a SCAM to 'fabricate' evidence that a piece you are putting up for sale is 'authentic' (therefore 'scamming' extra money out of potential purchasers.
Not so, a scam means being fraudulent. They are giving authentication to genuine Banksy street pieces. They are not selling bunksys. You are part right though that they are only able to do this because PC refuse to comment. It is a SCAM , they will be certifying pieces they 'own' to increase the auction value and to attempt to validate them.. IMO to authenticate yourself something you own to increase its value is fraudulent. It is also a SCAM to 'fabricate' evidence that a piece you are putting up for sale is 'authentic' (therefore 'scamming' extra money out of potential purchasers.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by griffermans on Sept 14, 2008 13:53:07 GMT 1, This is very worrying. Especially when a well established and reputable trade magazine take it very, very seriously. Check this out!
www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/6854.aspx
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 13:56:23 GMT 1, ive just caught up with this theard, amazing that anyone would even consider setting up an independant company to authenticate Banksys work. then to call it Vermin Control is really taking the piss. to top it all an auction house is working alongside them, unbelieveable. I personally wouldn't go anywhere near this auction. if the auction house is perpared to take Vermin's word for it with Street pieces ,how thourough are they likely to be with any other provenace?. fuck that, id rather give my money to some ramdon person on ebay.
ive just caught up with this theard, amazing that anyone would even consider setting up an independant company to authenticate Banksys work. then to call it Vermin Control is really taking the piss. to top it all an auction house is working alongside them, unbelieveable. I personally wouldn't go anywhere near this auction. if the auction house is perpared to take Vermin's word for it with Street pieces ,how thourough are they likely to be with any other provenace?. fuck that, id rather give my money to some ramdon person on ebay.
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deckstar
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by deckstar on Sept 14, 2008 14:20:44 GMT 1, Smudger why defend them they are obviously in the wrong, do you thrive on conflict?
Smudger why defend them they are obviously in the wrong, do you thrive on conflict?
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by alsbabar on Sept 14, 2008 14:22:11 GMT 1, smudger are you part of vermin, because you seem to be advocating their cause, or at least trying to validate it.
Simply put, these pieces HAVE NOT been authenticated by PEST CONTROL. PEST CONTROL IS THE ONLY AUTHORITY ON AUTHENTICATING BANKSY'S WORKS OF ART, EACH PIECE OF WORK IS AUTHENTICATED BY BANKSY, not a "panel of experts", who flick through books. Its pathetic reading your posts, trying to justify their setup - why dont you email www.vermincontrol.us and see who responds back - I would hazard a guess you already know!!!!
smudger are you part of vermin, because you seem to be advocating their cause, or at least trying to validate it. Simply put, these pieces HAVE NOT been authenticated by PEST CONTROL. PEST CONTROL IS THE ONLY AUTHORITY ON AUTHENTICATING BANKSY'S WORKS OF ART, EACH PIECE OF WORK IS AUTHENTICATED BY BANKSY, not a "panel of experts", who flick through books. Its pathetic reading your posts, trying to justify their setup - why dont you email www.vermincontrol.us and see who responds back - I would hazard a guess you already know!!!!
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Pattycakes
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Pattycakes on Sept 14, 2008 14:23:58 GMT 1, look the only auctionhouse who are putting Vermin "authenticated" works are Lyon and Tunrbull, this is because L&T are the co-creators of Vermin, and as such they are the only auctioneers who will allow these Vermin affirmed works in their sales. No-one else will put them in, so either the "committee" they have set up will die a death, or it'll be L&T's little baby that will eventually get them into some legal bother when someone tries to re-sell a work they've previously sold.
The more I think about it, the more I feel it's a publicity stunt designed to attract people to the L&T sale.
look the only auctionhouse who are putting Vermin "authenticated" works are Lyon and Tunrbull, this is because L&T are the co-creators of Vermin, and as such they are the only auctioneers who will allow these Vermin affirmed works in their sales. No-one else will put them in, so either the "committee" they have set up will die a death, or it'll be L&T's little baby that will eventually get them into some legal bother when someone tries to re-sell a work they've previously sold.
The more I think about it, the more I feel it's a publicity stunt designed to attract people to the L&T sale.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Pattycakes on Sept 14, 2008 14:25:12 GMT 1, Als, I think you are right on that assertion!
smudger are you part of vermin
Als, I think you are right on that assertion!
smudger are you part of vermin
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by giiiant on Sept 14, 2008 14:26:41 GMT 1, i blame the buyers
i blame the buyers
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by griffermans on Sept 14, 2008 14:31:12 GMT 1, Will someone please think of the children!
Will someone please think of the children!
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by alsbabar on Sept 14, 2008 14:35:49 GMT 1, alleged founders of vermin are......bankrobber, punk daisy and artificial. I doubt anyone from these galleries would make a statement denying such claims
alleged founders of vermin are......bankrobber, punk daisy and artificial. I doubt anyone from these galleries would make a statement denying such claims
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 15:29:18 GMT 1, Has everyone read this article? sorry if its been posted already anyhow. It does not appear that Vermin are likely to just approve anything and everything they can just so as to get it through an auction. www.artnet.com/magazineus/news/todd/todd9-3-08.asp
Has everyone read this article? sorry if its been posted already anyhow. It does not appear that Vermin are likely to just approve anything and everything they can just so as to get it through an auction. www.artnet.com/magazineus/news/todd/todd9-3-08.asp
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 15:33:04 GMT 1, Careful Wizbong, you'll get a roasting!!
Haha i probably will now! , i just wanted to post the link to that discussion though.
Careful Wizbong, you'll get a roasting!! Haha i probably will now! , i just wanted to post the link to that discussion though.
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Pattycakes
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Pattycakes on Sept 14, 2008 15:35:14 GMT 1, Yes everyone has read it, and of course Vermin wouldn't authenticate everything, just the works they have a vested interest in!
Yes everyone has read it, and of course Vermin wouldn't authenticate everything, just the works they have a vested interest in!
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 15:47:51 GMT 1, Yes everyone has read it, and of course Vermin wouldn't authenticate everything, just the works they have a vested interest in!
Then i am sorry to have wasted your time with posting the link Printguru.
Yes everyone has read it, and of course Vermin wouldn't authenticate everything, just the works they have a vested interest in! Then i am sorry to have wasted your time with posting the link Printguru.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by alsbabar on Sept 14, 2008 15:59:07 GMT 1, smudger - The reality is, you dont know if the property has been painted on with or without owners permission - and if the owner wishes to sell, then it should be their responsibility to seek authentication from the artist that painted it, not take to a "panel of experts", who's only interest is financial? However is it acceptable for the owner who cries foul play one day, but then decides to cash in on it the next?
From a legal perspective, if the owner feels his/her property has been vandalised by any artist, then they should report it to the police and the council. The police will report it as a crime, the council will remove it as part of their environmental services. If the owner does neither and instead takes it to a gallery to validate and sell on consignment or buy,, then your argument is irrelevant, as greed is the motivator.
Again it would appear to me, your posts have another agenda - and I would rather you came clean on it, rather disquise yourself as someone who is being "realistic about the situation legally".
Tell me smudger, do you have any streetpieces that you lifted or own and not sure what to do with them?
smudger - The reality is, you dont know if the property has been painted on with or without owners permission - and if the owner wishes to sell, then it should be their responsibility to seek authentication from the artist that painted it, not take to a "panel of experts", who's only interest is financial? However is it acceptable for the owner who cries foul play one day, but then decides to cash in on it the next?
From a legal perspective, if the owner feels his/her property has been vandalised by any artist, then they should report it to the police and the council. The police will report it as a crime, the council will remove it as part of their environmental services. If the owner does neither and instead takes it to a gallery to validate and sell on consignment or buy,, then your argument is irrelevant, as greed is the motivator.
Again it would appear to me, your posts have another agenda - and I would rather you came clean on it, rather disquise yourself as someone who is being "realistic about the situation legally".
Tell me smudger, do you have any streetpieces that you lifted or own and not sure what to do with them?
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by lee3 on Sept 14, 2008 16:50:33 GMT 1, >>>If the house owner decides that they want to sell the bit of their property that Banksy has painted on. That is their right<<<
Agreed. Pest Control is not preventing anyone from doing this. They are simply stating that they will not authenticate those works. No more, no less. What's that mean long term? Quite simple, non-authenticated street pieces (on average) will trade at a STEEP discount to anything that is PC authenticated. There is no law forcing PC to pass judgement on those works and they have imho taken the best stance possible.
As for Vermin, I'm somewhat surprised to see this debate continue. Show me one other dead artist (let alone a living artist) where the market for their work carries equal prices on average if authenticated by any one of 2 or more non affiliated foundations? To the best of my knowledge there are a total of zero. In this case, you can compound this situation with the fact that the authorized foundation (PC) has released a blistering press release saying in so many words that Vermin is complete BS and buyer beware. The long term implications are clear to me and that is that a Vermin approved street piece (on average) will carry no premium to a non Vermin approved street piece and both (on average) will trade at steep discounts to PC authenticated works. I keep saying on average because of course over the years there will be exceptions and larger compositions that are clearly the work of Banksy will bring in big numbers on occasion but it certainly will not be the norm.
Vermin (nice choice of name) is an amateur hour organization for the lesser auction houses to fall back upon in the hopes that they can realize larger revenues for works that others simply refuse to sell. Personally, I don't anticipate that we'll have Vermin around for very long.
>>>If the house owner decides that they want to sell the bit of their property that Banksy has painted on. That is their right<<<
Agreed. Pest Control is not preventing anyone from doing this. They are simply stating that they will not authenticate those works. No more, no less. What's that mean long term? Quite simple, non-authenticated street pieces (on average) will trade at a STEEP discount to anything that is PC authenticated. There is no law forcing PC to pass judgement on those works and they have imho taken the best stance possible.
As for Vermin, I'm somewhat surprised to see this debate continue. Show me one other dead artist (let alone a living artist) where the market for their work carries equal prices on average if authenticated by any one of 2 or more non affiliated foundations? To the best of my knowledge there are a total of zero. In this case, you can compound this situation with the fact that the authorized foundation (PC) has released a blistering press release saying in so many words that Vermin is complete BS and buyer beware. The long term implications are clear to me and that is that a Vermin approved street piece (on average) will carry no premium to a non Vermin approved street piece and both (on average) will trade at steep discounts to PC authenticated works. I keep saying on average because of course over the years there will be exceptions and larger compositions that are clearly the work of Banksy will bring in big numbers on occasion but it certainly will not be the norm.
Vermin (nice choice of name) is an amateur hour organization for the lesser auction houses to fall back upon in the hopes that they can realize larger revenues for works that others simply refuse to sell. Personally, I don't anticipate that we'll have Vermin around for very long.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by romanywg on Sept 14, 2008 17:13:14 GMT 1, [quote who actually bought the line of laugh now monkeys on board for a 6 figure sum a few months back? maybe pest controls arrival since the purchase scuppered the buyer/s cut it up and sell it on philosophy as the big houses wont touch it. The only way to recoup that money would be to find someone else to authenticate it or if you can't find someone then invent a committee and do it yourself! [/quote]
BANKROBBER bought it. There that name has cropped up again!
[quote who actually bought the line of laugh now monkeys on board for a 6 figure sum a few months back? maybe pest controls arrival since the purchase scuppered the buyer/s cut it up and sell it on philosophy as the big houses wont touch it. The only way to recoup that money would be to find someone else to authenticate it or if you can't find someone then invent a committee and do it yourself! [/quote] BANKROBBER bought it. There that name has cropped up again!
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by alsbabar on Sept 14, 2008 18:13:31 GMT 1, [quote who actually bought the line of laugh now monkeys on board for a 6 figure sum a few months back? maybe pest controls arrival since the purchase scuppered the buyer/s cut it up and sell it on philosophy as the big houses wont touch it. The only way to recoup that money would be to find someone else to authenticate it or if you can't find someone then invent a committee and do it yourself!
BANKROBBER bought it. There that name has cropped up again![/quote]
who are Vermin? email them and you will get an email from........... Robin at Bankrobber - oh i say missus, that name crops up again.
FYI - it wasnt just Bankrobber who bought the Laugh Now pieces, i believe it was Artificial and Punk Daisy also
[quote who actually bought the line of laugh now monkeys on board for a 6 figure sum a few months back? maybe pest controls arrival since the purchase scuppered the buyer/s cut it up and sell it on philosophy as the big houses wont touch it. The only way to recoup that money would be to find someone else to authenticate it or if you can't find someone then invent a committee and do it yourself! BANKROBBER bought it. There that name has cropped up again![/quote] who are Vermin? email them and you will get an email from........... Robin at Bankrobber - oh i say missus, that name crops up again. FYI - it wasnt just Bankrobber who bought the Laugh Now pieces, i believe it was Artificial and Punk Daisy also
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by lee3 on Sept 14, 2008 18:20:22 GMT 1, Though the following has no relevance whatsoever to the thread in discussion, it sure is enjoyable for me as i check out a few sites with my morning coffee and is a hell of a lot better than anything associated with Vermin. Not meant to infer that Vermin will do anything like Joplin before falling off the face of the earth.
Though the following has no relevance whatsoever to the thread in discussion, it sure is enjoyable for me as i check out a few sites with my morning coffee and is a hell of a lot better than anything associated with Vermin. Not meant to infer that Vermin will do anything like Joplin before falling off the face of the earth.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by icky on Sept 14, 2008 18:25:56 GMT 1, FYI - it wasnt just Bankrobber who bought the Laugh Now pieces, i believe it was Artificial and Punk Daisy also
Do you know this / think this / guess this? I have no idea about what happened with the Laugh Now, but every time you write something as certain I wonder what the truth is. You may be right, but are you 100% sure or are you just speculating?
FYI - it wasnt just Bankrobber who bought the Laugh Now pieces, i believe it was Artificial and Punk Daisy also Do you know this / think this / guess this? I have no idea about what happened with the Laugh Now, but every time you write something as certain I wonder what the truth is. You may be right, but are you 100% sure or are you just speculating?
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