goffy
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by goffy on Sept 13, 2008 17:27:26 GMT 1, Means nothing.
Means nothing.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by James Smith 77 on Sept 13, 2008 17:36:07 GMT 1,
These guys suck. Propagating the contiual removal of any Banksy stret pieces. Total Bull$hit
These guys suck. Propagating the contiual removal of any Banksy stret pieces. Total Bull$hit
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by James Smith 77 on Sept 13, 2008 17:37:35 GMT 1,
I would bet $ that some of the people that established this are the people that are stealing the pieces. Maybe even including Jetset and these guys:
www.banksyart.org/page4.htm
I would bet $ that some of the people that established this are the people that are stealing the pieces. Maybe even including Jetset and these guys: www.banksyart.org/page4.htm |
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Deleted on Sept 13, 2008 17:38:07 GMT 1, is it charity based? What would an authentication cost? not as negative as the last two but know too less at the moment..
is it charity based? What would an authentication cost? not as negative as the last two but know too less at the moment..
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motor
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by motor on Sept 13, 2008 17:39:00 GMT 1, WHO ARE VERMIN? Vermin are an entirely independent organisation that offer a free 'professional opinion authentication' service for the street works of the artist known as Banksy. As part of the process we catalogue all submitted works onto our online 'Salvaged + Saved' register, inviting unbiased critical comment (from all quarters) as to the veracity of ownership/authorship, only when the board ( formed of a panel of established dealers versed in the artists work) are wholly satisfied with the works authenticity do we offer it a 'Vermin Certificate'. This certificate serves to act as a lasting testament to the works authenticity and secure its place on our register, that in turn, will serve as a unique and valuable record of these endangered works. Whilst we fully respect the artists desire to have his artworks remain in situ the historical reality is that many pieces were acquired through salvage and stealth, by admirers of the artist long before they attained their perceived worth. That these works have since gone on to be collected, often for large sums of money, reflects more on the works integrity than the greed of its owners. Whilst Vermin actively discourages the clandestine removal of clandestinely decorated private + public surfaces we feel duty bound to recognise and reward those who showed the foresight and cunning to acquire these early works. That's all folks!
WTFCUK
WHO ARE VERMIN? Vermin are an entirely independent organisation that offer a free 'professional opinion authentication' service for the street works of the artist known as Banksy. As part of the process we catalogue all submitted works onto our online 'Salvaged + Saved' register, inviting unbiased critical comment (from all quarters) as to the veracity of ownership/authorship, only when the board ( formed of a panel of established dealers versed in the artists work) are wholly satisfied with the works authenticity do we offer it a 'Vermin Certificate'. This certificate serves to act as a lasting testament to the works authenticity and secure its place on our register, that in turn, will serve as a unique and valuable record of these endangered works. Whilst we fully respect the artists desire to have his artworks remain in situ the historical reality is that many pieces were acquired through salvage and stealth, by admirers of the artist long before they attained their perceived worth. That these works have since gone on to be collected, often for large sums of money, reflects more on the works integrity than the greed of its owners. Whilst Vermin actively discourages the clandestine removal of clandestinely decorated private + public surfaces we feel duty bound to recognise and reward those who showed the foresight and cunning to acquire these early works. That's all folks! WTFCUK |
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by alsbabar on Sept 13, 2008 17:39:07 GMT 1, without Banksy authenticating these pieces - it means sod all
Vermin = bankrobber - nuff said
without Banksy authenticating these pieces - it means sod all
Vermin = bankrobber - nuff said
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savilerogue
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by savilerogue on Sept 13, 2008 18:00:46 GMT 1, 'professional opinion authentication'
What a load of bollocks. If it's 'professional opinion' then it's not 'authentication'.
'professional opinion authentication'
What a load of bollocks. If it's 'professional opinion' then it's not 'authentication'.
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spirit
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by spirit on Sept 13, 2008 18:01:57 GMT 1, So basically, a bunch of guys with street pieces, that can't get them authenticated by Pest Control, have decided to authenticate them themselves in order increase the value of the work. Interesting idea...but I doubt it will work.
So basically, a bunch of guys with street pieces, that can't get them authenticated by Pest Control, have decided to authenticate them themselves in order increase the value of the work. Interesting idea...but I doubt it will work.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by sonofwezzley on Sept 13, 2008 18:09:14 GMT 1, i wanna know how comes they already verified the bits in the lyon & turnbull auction if they haven't put them on the web yet - "inviting unbiased critical comment (from all quarters)"
I mean that Brighton rat story just dont seem strong enough...."thought to be painted as part of a 'Bombing' session"...is that all they got to support it?
i wanna know how comes they already verified the bits in the lyon & turnbull auction if they haven't put them on the web yet - "inviting unbiased critical comment (from all quarters)"
I mean that Brighton rat story just dont seem strong enough...."thought to be painted as part of a 'Bombing' session"...is that all they got to support it?
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by ejvaze on Sept 13, 2008 18:11:17 GMT 1, Re VERMIN
I will repeat what I said on the 4th September in the other thread re this organisation
There is a throughly genuine authentication process in action already as stated in silkys posting fully approved by the artist called Pest Control
Any other authentication process is an impostor and not worth the paper it is written on so Caveat emptor
If it is worth it, anything can be faked.
Only Pest Control has the right to say if it is genuine or not
There are no experts other than Pest Control
Do we want the artist to continue to do work on the street ?
This could jeopardise this.
I stress the Last We as collectors should respect the artists wishes
I for one miss seeing the small witty pieces on the street which this VERMIN lot would encourage the removal of.
It is a shame that they persist in this manner knowing full well the artist has said NO.
I for one would NEVER buy a street piece and I would ALWAYS go out of my way to discourage anyone I knew from doing so as well.
This is work produced by a Fantastic and Rare sort of Artist who has decided that street pieces are for everyone to enjoy.
It is SO EASY for anyone to buy a stencil off of ebay and to go around spraying stuff on the wall and saying it was produced by Banksy.
This is only going to have an adverse effect on us all as I believe the artist could eventually say enough is enough and stop producing work for us all free on the street.
Why this VERMIN persist in such a manner can in my eyes only be for one reason and one reason only to MAKE MONEY. It is quite obvious to me that they have much to gain from this by selling there own stuff acquired from the street or that of prospective clients and sold in auctions or to private unsuspecting buyers.
In my experience there are a lot of very naive buyers out there who are unaware of Banksys Wishes and also the existence of The Pest Control Office.
It is fact that some buyers at the first Urban art sale even thought the fact that a print had a red Banksy Tag meant it was signed when in fact it was not.
These are the sort of people who will be duped into paying Vast sums of money for work that is in effect worthless.
There are some very good fakes out there in the market some so good that ONLY the Artist has been able to say with certainty the piece is a FAKE I know this for a fact.
Re VERMIN
I will repeat what I said on the 4th September in the other thread re this organisation
There is a throughly genuine authentication process in action already as stated in silkys posting fully approved by the artist called Pest Control
Any other authentication process is an impostor and not worth the paper it is written on so Caveat emptor
If it is worth it, anything can be faked.
Only Pest Control has the right to say if it is genuine or not
There are no experts other than Pest Control
Do we want the artist to continue to do work on the street ?
This could jeopardise this.
I stress the Last We as collectors should respect the artists wishes
I for one miss seeing the small witty pieces on the street which this VERMIN lot would encourage the removal of.
It is a shame that they persist in this manner knowing full well the artist has said NO.
I for one would NEVER buy a street piece and I would ALWAYS go out of my way to discourage anyone I knew from doing so as well.
This is work produced by a Fantastic and Rare sort of Artist who has decided that street pieces are for everyone to enjoy.
It is SO EASY for anyone to buy a stencil off of ebay and to go around spraying stuff on the wall and saying it was produced by Banksy.
This is only going to have an adverse effect on us all as I believe the artist could eventually say enough is enough and stop producing work for us all free on the street.
Why this VERMIN persist in such a manner can in my eyes only be for one reason and one reason only to MAKE MONEY. It is quite obvious to me that they have much to gain from this by selling there own stuff acquired from the street or that of prospective clients and sold in auctions or to private unsuspecting buyers.
In my experience there are a lot of very naive buyers out there who are unaware of Banksys Wishes and also the existence of The Pest Control Office.
It is fact that some buyers at the first Urban art sale even thought the fact that a print had a red Banksy Tag meant it was signed when in fact it was not.
These are the sort of people who will be duped into paying Vast sums of money for work that is in effect worthless.
There are some very good fakes out there in the market some so good that ONLY the Artist has been able to say with certainty the piece is a FAKE I know this for a fact.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by top on Sept 13, 2008 20:45:56 GMT 1, Go vazie!
Tells it like it is..
Vermin = Vermin ..how very apt.
Go vazie!
Tells it like it is..
Vermin = Vermin ..how very apt.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Pattycakes on Sept 13, 2008 21:51:20 GMT 1, Looking at the contents of the Lyon and Turnbull sale it seems pretty obvious that Bank Robber were a big consignor. My feeling is that Vermin are Bank Robber, Lyon + Turnbull's Ben Hanley and perhaps a couple of other choice creeps. I would not be surprised if Bank Robber stick in some shill bidder to buy their own works back, thus giving market credence to the Vermin authentication...
Looking at the contents of the Lyon and Turnbull sale it seems pretty obvious that Bank Robber were a big consignor. My feeling is that Vermin are Bank Robber, Lyon + Turnbull's Ben Hanley and perhaps a couple of other choice creeps. I would not be surprised if Bank Robber stick in some shill bidder to buy their own works back, thus giving market credence to the Vermin authentication...
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by weaver on Sept 13, 2008 22:02:17 GMT 1, utter h0rsesh1t, if you cant get the dodgy pieces you bought verified, verify them yourself..... as mentioned above, some poor suckers are going to think these jokers are for real and legitimate. Its amazing how adding the word "believe" into a statment can completely mitigate the issuer of any later responsibilty whilst suposedly offering and valid and reliable verification.
Id be suprised if there wasnt a legal issue with what these jokers are doing as being suposedly independent, but verifying their own pieces before putting them into auctions.
At least this time they cant mislead people that Banksy is involved.
utter h0rsesh1t, if you cant get the dodgy pieces you bought verified, verify them yourself..... as mentioned above, some poor suckers are going to think these jokers are for real and legitimate. Its amazing how adding the word "believe" into a statment can completely mitigate the issuer of any later responsibilty whilst suposedly offering and valid and reliable verification.
Id be suprised if there wasnt a legal issue with what these jokers are doing as being suposedly independent, but verifying their own pieces before putting them into auctions.
At least this time they cant mislead people that Banksy is involved.
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senna
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by senna on Sept 13, 2008 22:17:57 GMT 1, Lies and Turdbulls**te + vermin= pricks. as said before;
vermin is vermin
but these auctioneers are as bad if not worse. they've been told & still they continue. bulls**te.
the moodiest auction to date IMO
wouldn't bid on anything.cant trust them. sorry.
Lies and Turdbulls**te + vermin= pricks. as said before;
vermin is vermin
but these auctioneers are as bad if not worse. they've been told & still they continue. bulls**te.
the moodiest auction to date IMO
wouldn't bid on anything.cant trust them. sorry.
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stickee
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by stickee on Sept 13, 2008 22:25:52 GMT 1,
link doesnt work 
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senna
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by senna on Sept 13, 2008 22:29:05 GMT 1, link doesnt work
;D
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by weaver on Sept 13, 2008 23:45:05 GMT 1, smudger, what you fail to grasp is that vermin have no remit here, they have set themselves up as a verification service for an artist who has specifically asked that they dont do what they are doing. More to the point they have no more right, ability or authorisation to verify these works that you or me.
We all know there are alot of street pieces out there, some from the public domain, some from the private, but even though they are for sale does not make it right that they are as it is specifically against the artists wishes in both cases, why should he verify a gift to someone, its down right rude to sell a gift.
smudger, what you fail to grasp is that vermin have no remit here, they have set themselves up as a verification service for an artist who has specifically asked that they dont do what they are doing. More to the point they have no more right, ability or authorisation to verify these works that you or me.
We all know there are alot of street pieces out there, some from the public domain, some from the private, but even though they are for sale does not make it right that they are as it is specifically against the artists wishes in both cases, why should he verify a gift to someone, its down right rude to sell a gift.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by mammal2 on Sept 13, 2008 23:51:50 GMT 1, 'For example - "What! Boy" from Tottenham Court Road. www.flickr.com/photos/12451436@N03/2555571883/Originally off a newspaper stand in TCR. We all know for certain this is by Banksy because it is in Banksy's own book - 'Wall and Piece' (p129 in paperback) and has been on banksy.co.uk. It is amazingly well documented and this documentation is by Banksy himself, therefore this piece has 'provenance'. Any buyer can go and check this out. Of course we all know for certain that a piece featured in one of Banksy's books is genuine. But that doesn't mean that a piece at auction that looks just like it is genuine. Obviously.
Indeed. Anyway those guys did that poor guy over a treat anyways. Shame TCR always look better when it was there.
'For example - "What! Boy" from Tottenham Court Road. www.flickr.com/photos/12451436@N03/2555571883/Originally off a newspaper stand in TCR. We all know for certain this is by Banksy because it is in Banksy's own book - 'Wall and Piece' (p129 in paperback) and has been on banksy.co.uk. It is amazingly well documented and this documentation is by Banksy himself, therefore this piece has 'provenance'. Any buyer can go and check this out. Of course we all know for certain that a piece featured in one of Banksy's books is genuine. But that doesn't mean that a piece at auction that looks just like it is genuine. Obviously. Indeed. Anyway those guys did that poor guy over a treat anyways. Shame TCR always look better when it was there. |
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by mammal2 on Sept 13, 2008 23:55:24 GMT 1, Indeed. Some very good fakes out there and some damn right shite. Excellent work Icky by the way!
Indeed. Some very good fakes out there and some damn right shite. Excellent work Icky by the way!
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by slowmo on Sept 13, 2008 23:56:41 GMT 1, Sorry smudger, it aint worth shit, no more than someone else saying I saw it in a banksy book, or I took a photo of it in situ.
Sorry smudger, it aint worth shit, no more than someone else saying I saw it in a banksy book, or I took a photo of it in situ.
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Daniel Silk on Sept 14, 2008 0:00:34 GMT 1, Is this "opinion authentication" done for Free? 
Just wondering what the difference would be if I made up my own authentication certificates? I guess they would be just as valid as the Vermin ones ;D
Is this "opinion authentication" done for Free? Just wondering what the difference would be if I made up my own authentication certificates? I guess they would be just as valid as the Vermin ones ;D |
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by alsbabar on Sept 14, 2008 0:01:20 GMT 1, smudger, you fail to grasp, that while a Banksy piece remains insitu, it is a Banksy piece - once removed how can Vermin or anyone prove beyond any doubt that it is authentic, especially if the LIVING artist hasnt confirmed it? Would you drop 20-50K on that off chance?
Also it is illegal to bid on your piece as auction - given that you know the reserve also - so in essence you are insider dealing!!!
Also here is another strong possibility to consider, what if the person who bought a streetpiece from the L & T auction, then in a years time decides he/she wants to place it in another auction house, ie Sothebys, but Sothebys rejects this same piece on the premise it is not an authenticated piece by Pest Control? There are too many risks associated with this auction, and based on these factors - I'm out
smudger, you fail to grasp, that while a Banksy piece remains insitu, it is a Banksy piece - once removed how can Vermin or anyone prove beyond any doubt that it is authentic, especially if the LIVING artist hasnt confirmed it? Would you drop 20-50K on that off chance?
Also it is illegal to bid on your piece as auction - given that you know the reserve also - so in essence you are insider dealing!!!
Also here is another strong possibility to consider, what if the person who bought a streetpiece from the L & T auction, then in a years time decides he/she wants to place it in another auction house, ie Sothebys, but Sothebys rejects this same piece on the premise it is not an authenticated piece by Pest Control? There are too many risks associated with this auction, and based on these factors - I'm out
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Zippy
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Zippy on Sept 14, 2008 0:02:06 GMT 1, Is this "opinion authentication" done for Free? Just wondering what the difference would be if I made up my own authentication certificates? I guess they would be just as valid as the Vermin ones ;D
dont you go giving yourself any ideas there.
and kids, dont try this at home.
Is this "opinion authentication" done for Free? Just wondering what the difference would be if I made up my own authentication certificates? I guess they would be just as valid as the Vermin ones ;D dont you go giving yourself any ideas there. and kids, dont try this at home. |
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by romanywg on Sept 14, 2008 0:14:38 GMT 1, 'For example - "What! Boy" from Tottenham Court Road.
www.flickr.com/photos/12451436@N03/2555571883/
Originally off a newspaper stand in TCR. We all know for certain this is by Banksy because it is in Banksy's own book - 'Wall and Piece'
and sold by Bankrobber Gallery. Weren't they mentioned earlier?
'For example - "What! Boy" from Tottenham Court Road. www.flickr.com/photos/12451436@N03/2555571883/Originally off a newspaper stand in TCR. We all know for certain this is by Banksy because it is in Banksy's own book - 'Wall and Piece' and sold by Bankrobber Gallery. Weren't they mentioned earlier? |
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by havana07 on Sept 14, 2008 8:56:38 GMT 1, I've just had this information forwarded to me from a VERY reliable source, and got the OK to make it public- WHO ARE VERMIN? verยทmin (vรปrmn)
n. pl. vermin
1. Various small animals or insects, such as rats or cockroaches, that are destructive, annoying, or injurious to health.
2. Animals that prey on game, such as foxes or weasels.
3.
a. A person considered loathsome or highly offensive.
b. Such people considered as a group.
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[Middle English, from Old French, from Vulgar Latin *vermnum, from Latin vermis, worm; see wer-2 in Indo-European roots.]
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vermin
Noun, pl
1. small animals collectively, such as insects and rodents, that spread disease and damage crops
2. unpleasant people [Latin vermis worm]
verminous adj
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Vermin: a kind or class of obnoxious animal, 1400; applied to persons of an offensive nature, 1562.That's all folks!
.. If Bankrobber are behind Vermin then one of those guys knows jack shit about Banksy. I had to write him two pages of all the prints that Banksy released and what editions they were so he could have it by his side when he was pontificating to clueless well-heeled clients..... And another thing, he also thought that Faile was one person... "That Faile guy, I think he's going to be big".... The lowest form of opportunistic leeches!
I've just had this information forwarded to me from a VERY reliable source, and got the OK to make it public- WHO ARE VERMIN? verยทmin (vรปrmn)
n. pl. vermin
1. Various small animals or insects, such as rats or cockroaches, that are destructive, annoying, or injurious to health.
2. Animals that prey on game, such as foxes or weasels.
3.
a. A person considered loathsome or highly offensive.
b. Such people considered as a group.
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[Middle English, from Old French, from Vulgar Latin *vermnum, from Latin vermis, worm; see wer-2 in Indo-European roots.]
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vermin
Noun, pl
1. small animals collectively, such as insects and rodents, that spread disease and damage crops
2. unpleasant people [Latin vermis worm]
verminous adj
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 ยฉ HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006
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Vermin: a kind or class of obnoxious animal, 1400; applied to persons of an offensive nature, 1562.That's all folks! .. If Bankrobber are behind Vermin then one of those guys knows jack shit about Banksy. I had to write him two pages of all the prints that Banksy released and what editions they were so he could have it by his side when he was pontificating to clueless well-heeled clients..... And another thing, he also thought that Faile was one person... "That Faile guy, I think he's going to be big".... The lowest form of opportunistic leeches! |
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by stender on Sept 14, 2008 9:27:26 GMT 1, Regardless this vermin will make lots of money as they have a nice mayfair address. You will get some arab or film star with too much money passing by on their way to nobu and pop in.
It all about perception. If Joe Bloggs saw a banksy in a mayfair gallery window he wouldnt question authenticity. If he saw one on the stall of a hackney bootsale..........
just my opinion
Regardless this vermin will make lots of money as they have a nice mayfair address. You will get some arab or film star with too much money passing by on their way to nobu and pop in.
It all about perception. If Joe Bloggs saw a banksy in a mayfair gallery window he wouldnt question authenticity. If he saw one on the stall of a hackney bootsale..........
just my opinion
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by Daniel Silk on Sept 14, 2008 10:17:32 GMT 1, "'professional opinion authentication' service for the street works of the artist known as Banksy."
Vermin's Opinion is no more valid than someone posting a photo of a piece up on here and a few forum members saying yah or nay 
"'professional opinion authentication' service for the street works of the artist known as Banksy." Vermin's Opinion is no more valid than someone posting a photo of a piece up on here and a few forum members saying yah or nay |
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savilerogue
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by savilerogue on Sept 14, 2008 10:31:37 GMT 1, Not sure why 'professional opinion authentication' cannot be authentication. Is this not how Warhol's estate verifies works?
No, not at all. Warhol's Foundation actually has a link to the artist for starters, as it was founded by in accordance with Warhol's will, and has access to all the original documentation etc.
This Vemin set-up is opportunistic, in all probability it was set up to authenticate street work held by those who run Vermin, and inflate the value in the process. Scum.
Not sure why 'professional opinion authentication' cannot be authentication. Is this not how Warhol's estate verifies works? No, not at all. Warhol's Foundation actually has a link to the artist for starters, as it was founded by in accordance with Warhol's will, and has access to all the original documentation etc. This Vemin set-up is opportunistic, in all probability it was set up to authenticate street work held by those who run Vermin, and inflate the value in the process. Scum. |
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goffy
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VERMIN CONTROL Statement, by goffy on Sept 14, 2008 10:38:55 GMT 1, I would like to know who exactly are the 'members' of Vermin and why they feel they are able to 'professionally authenticate' the Banksy street pieces. Who are these so called Banksy 'experts'?
I would like to know who exactly are the 'members' of Vermin and why they feel they are able to 'professionally authenticate' the Banksy street pieces. Who are these so called Banksy 'experts'?
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