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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by snakes on Sept 16, 2008 20:46:53 GMT 1, Is it the so called credit crunch, too many scammers, too much crap art or that the initial print costs being too extravagant or is this whole scene just fading away?
It may be only be me but no longer do i bother checking POW for new releases or any of the other online Galleries either. 18 months ago things could not have been any more different ( i was religiously checking POW and awaiting the trolley hunter release). BRP newsletters are so long winded when they arrive by email i cannot even be bothered to read them and anyhow half of the stuff they sell go's to 'panambabe & wireandstring' so nobody has any chance of buying prints from them anyroad...
Has this whole scene stagnated due to over supply, inferior artwork together with the addition of the unscrupulous scamsters?
I for one have become disenchanted with it - Banksy, D'Face, Walker and co. Time to find pastures green i think and to 'move along'.
Tata, i for one have had enough 
Is it the so called credit crunch, too many scammers, too much crap art or that the initial print costs being too extravagant or is this whole scene just fading away? It may be only be me but no longer do i bother checking POW for new releases or any of the other online Galleries either. 18 months ago things could not have been any more different ( i was religiously checking POW and awaiting the trolley hunter release). BRP newsletters are so long winded when they arrive by email i cannot even be bothered to read them and anyhow half of the stuff they sell go's to 'panambabe & wireandstring' so nobody has any chance of buying prints from them anyroad... Has this whole scene stagnated due to over supply, inferior artwork together with the addition of the unscrupulous scamsters? I for one have become disenchanted with it - Banksy, D'Face, Walker and co. Time to find pastures green i think and to 'move along'. Tata, i for one have had enough |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by manchestermike on Sept 16, 2008 20:48:15 GMT 1, Bye snakes... 
For me, not at all, it's only just beginning
Bye snakes... For me, not at all, it's only just beginning |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2008 20:50:22 GMT 1, Dont go Snakes / Mojo!, it could be your having a bad day thats all. I agree with your Oversupply / some Inferior work / Wireandstring and Panambabe though.
Dont go Snakes / Mojo!, it could be your having a bad day thats all. I agree with your Oversupply / some Inferior work / Wireandstring and Panambabe though.
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by grantb on Sept 16, 2008 20:52:20 GMT 1, too much negativity round here.
too much negativity round here.
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2008 20:54:31 GMT 1, too much negativity round here.
Just a gliche. Loads of good shows and auctions etc going on 
too much negativity round here. Just a gliche. Loads of good shows and auctions etc going on |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by hlarmy on Sept 16, 2008 21:06:26 GMT 1, You certainly make some valid points, but I have to agree with Wizbong and MM on this one - things have clearly changed a huge amount in the past couple of years (not that I would know seeing I'm a relative newbie  but I love the 'scene' and am excited by the future releases, exhibitions, auctions etc.
There's so much to look forward to, both in the short term (upcoming shows, the October auctions, Santa's Ghetto  ) and in the long term (watching artists develop and grow etc). There are exciting times ahead ... bring it on I say 
You certainly make some valid points, but I have to agree with Wizbong and MM on this one - things have clearly changed a huge amount in the past couple of years (not that I would know seeing I'm a relative newbie but I love the 'scene' and am excited by the future releases, exhibitions, auctions etc. There's so much to look forward to, both in the short term (upcoming shows, the October auctions, Santa's Ghetto ) and in the long term (watching artists develop and grow etc). There are exciting times ahead ... bring it on I say |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by griffermans on Sept 16, 2008 21:10:32 GMT 1, The scene, if you can call it that, needs to steady itself a little. It is far to erotic at the moment. SAUCE!
The scene, if you can call it that, needs to steady itself a little. It is far to erotic at the moment. SAUCE!
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2008 21:15:56 GMT 1, sh*t's got boring round here. But I still do love art though. I think this is a mantra that most artists in this scene needs to recite religiously. I will not make any more boring street art. 
Is that an original or an edition? and does it come in a few colourways?.
sh*t's got boring round here. But I still do love art though. I think this is a mantra that most artists in this scene needs to recite religiously. I will not make any more boring street art. Is that an original or an edition? and does it come in a few colourways?. |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by brun on Sept 16, 2008 21:38:18 GMT 1, just as this scene rose it shall fall , if laz is opening shops (aka galleries) all over the place then it sure is a sign of mass exposure and that means things are peaking , as i said before then people will get bored of banksy etc. there are a few gems out there but mainly average works trying to cash in (such as last few POW releases ) imho those insect were totally average.......apart from laz liberty print which i like !
i actually think its good and right that bansky stays quiet for a while , he knows not to over expose !for sure lots of scammers /flippers bugging us but they will go soon and tings will improve .....the quality will show through !
just as this scene rose it shall fall , if laz is opening shops (aka galleries) all over the place then it sure is a sign of mass exposure and that means things are peaking , as i said before then people will get bored of banksy etc. there are a few gems out there but mainly average works trying to cash in (such as last few POW releases ) imho those insect were totally average.......apart from laz liberty print which i like !
i actually think its good and right that bansky stays quiet for a while , he knows not to over expose !for sure lots of scammers /flippers bugging us but they will go soon and tings will improve .....the quality will show through !
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by Ruggs on Sept 16, 2008 21:38:18 GMT 1, The auctions say NO!
The auctions say NO!
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funyoung
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by funyoung on Sept 16, 2008 21:41:34 GMT 1, Isn't there always going to be a lot of art you don't like?
Someone clever once said (paraphrased as I don't know who it was):
"If you like more than 10% of the art you see then you are kidding yourself"
I, personally, think this holds true.
Isn't there always going to be a lot of art you don't like?
Someone clever once said (paraphrased as I don't know who it was):
"If you like more than 10% of the art you see then you are kidding yourself"
I, personally, think this holds true.
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by pezlow on Sept 16, 2008 21:46:11 GMT 1, I for one still love much of the art coming out of this scene, but it is harder to separate the good from bad and I can understand why people can't be arsed to do that.
I for one still love much of the art coming out of this scene, but it is harder to separate the good from bad and I can understand why people can't be arsed to do that.
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by loucastel on Sept 16, 2008 22:00:37 GMT 1, Mojo/undercover snakes makes a lot of valid points, the genre does seem to be getting very jaded, whether it is because everyday there seems to be yet another halfarsed gallery appear or another untalented "artist" and I use that word very loosely, yet more, poor to mediocre releases, and all the time trying to push for the highest possible price, no wonder a lot of people are feeling slightly lethargic about the whole thing.
Saying that, there is still one or two artists who still inject that sparkle, but most of the time way out of my price bracket.
Even a lot of the unkown artists pushing thier wares seem to think they can command high prices for thier work, with a bit of luck, the way things are going a lot of the new gallery's along with a lot of artists will fall by the wayside, and hopefully we will have a bit of a resurgance of good priced quality art.
Mojo/undercover snakes makes a lot of valid points, the genre does seem to be getting very jaded, whether it is because everyday there seems to be yet another halfarsed gallery appear or another untalented "artist" and I use that word very loosely, yet more, poor to mediocre releases, and all the time trying to push for the highest possible price, no wonder a lot of people are feeling slightly lethargic about the whole thing.
Saying that, there is still one or two artists who still inject that sparkle, but most of the time way out of my price bracket.
Even a lot of the unkown artists pushing thier wares seem to think they can command high prices for thier work, with a bit of luck, the way things are going a lot of the new gallery's along with a lot of artists will fall by the wayside, and hopefully we will have a bit of a resurgance of good priced quality art.
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by snausages on Sept 16, 2008 22:03:05 GMT 1, ? But by now we've started to see a lot of work go unsold at these auctions too. It's played out with all the earmarks of a commercial fad. Personally I think it's the tip of the iceberg and street art although now more firmly established and with a very small group of artists who break through ...will now go from being the 'next big thing' and fade back to it's more esoteric roots.
Even Banksy's newest work (although making a political statement) is really lacking the creativity and wit that his early work had. 
? But by now we've started to see a lot of work go unsold at these auctions too. It's played out with all the earmarks of a commercial fad. Personally I think it's the tip of the iceberg and street art although now more firmly established and with a very small group of artists who break through ...will now go from being the 'next big thing' and fade back to it's more esoteric roots. Even Banksy's newest work (although making a political statement) is really lacking the creativity and wit that his early work had. |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by senna on Sept 16, 2008 22:07:06 GMT 1, I for one still love much of the art coming out of this scene, but it is harder to separate the good from bad and I can understand why people can't be arsed to do that.
I'M WITH HIM
I for one still love much of the art coming out of this scene, but it is harder to separate the good from bad and I can understand why people can't be arsed to do that. I'M WITH HIM |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by stickee on Sept 16, 2008 22:15:22 GMT 1, once again its another thread based round stuff to hang on your walls and money rather than street art itself
As simon08 has already pointed out there is a lot of crazy stuff going up on the streets but if we are basing a counter culture on how much stuff is selling for at Bonhams to some people that have never been on public transport let alone painted it then yeah maybe the "scene" is slowing down a bit
once again its another thread based round stuff to hang on your walls and money rather than street art itself As simon08 has already pointed out there is a lot of crazy stuff going up on the streets but if we are basing a counter culture on how much stuff is selling for at Bonhams to some people that have never been on public transport let alone painted it then yeah maybe the "scene" is slowing down a bit |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by giiiant on Sept 16, 2008 22:31:30 GMT 1, despite a lack of shit to flip the last few months have been incredible... new orleans? tate? cans? people have ridiculously short memories
despite a lack of shit to flip the last few months have been incredible... new orleans? tate? cans? people have ridiculously short memories
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by buffin on Sept 16, 2008 22:32:48 GMT 1, Absolutely not. Its been a cracking good year already - Cans, Cans 2, Tate Modern, New Orleans etc etc.
Absolutely not. Its been a cracking good year already - Cans, Cans 2, Tate Modern, New Orleans etc etc.
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by snausages on Sept 16, 2008 22:33:21 GMT 1, ...but if we are basing a counter culture on how much stuff is selling for at Bonhams
Kind of funny that your counter culture is for sale at Bonhams for hundreds of thousands of pounds eh? Must be pretty wild if it's seling for that much.
You see that's the problem right there.
It's not that this scene is dead but it's been corrupted by money and elements inside and outside of it. It's like punk, like granny says. Punk's not dead. But it aint what it used to be.
...but if we are basing a counter culture on how much stuff is selling for at Bonhams Kind of funny that your counter culture is for sale at Bonhams for hundreds of thousands of pounds eh? Must be pretty wild if it's seling for that much. You see that's the problem right there. It's not that this scene is dead but it's been corrupted by money and elements inside and outside of it. It's like punk, like granny says. Punk's not dead. But it aint what it used to be. |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by slowmo on Sept 16, 2008 22:33:52 GMT 1, Is it not a paradox to post such a message on a forum based on street art? If it was you may as well be shouting at the bottom of the ocean as you would get no response?
Is it not a paradox to post such a message on a forum based on street art? If it was you may as well be shouting at the bottom of the ocean as you would get no response?
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by skanky on Sept 16, 2008 22:38:44 GMT 1, sh*t's got boring round here. But I still do love art though. I think this is a mantra that most artists in this scene needs to recite religiously. I will not make any more boring street art.
Another condescending know it all post 
sh*t's got boring round here. But I still do love art though. I think this is a mantra that most artists in this scene needs to recite religiously. I will not make any more boring street art. Another condescending know it all post |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by edcase on Sept 16, 2008 22:39:31 GMT 1, These threads make me laugh. You get them on every type of forum. I never bother wasting my time posting on them personally.
Oh.
These threads make me laugh. You get them on every type of forum. I never bother wasting my time posting on them personally.
Oh.
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by alsbabar on Sept 16, 2008 22:40:06 GMT 1, I for one still love much of the art coming out of this scene, but it is harder to separate the good from bad and I can understand why people can't be arsed to do that.
i think it is easier now to seperate the good from the bad, as more people get involved, more conversations are had, more opinions are shared and discussed, the scene has grown, and it has grown beyond this forum or with just a few specific galleries.
I myself am being more selective about what i buy, rather than having to buy, because i want to be involved.
I also think that if Snakes is disheartened then yes it is time to find a new hobby or find new art to like.
I for one still love much of the art coming out of this scene, but it is harder to separate the good from bad and I can understand why people can't be arsed to do that. i think it is easier now to seperate the good from the bad, as more people get involved, more conversations are had, more opinions are shared and discussed, the scene has grown, and it has grown beyond this forum or with just a few specific galleries. I myself am being more selective about what i buy, rather than having to buy, because i want to be involved. I also think that if Snakes is disheartened then yes it is time to find a new hobby or find new art to like. |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by snausages on Sept 16, 2008 22:42:29 GMT 1, sh*t's got boring round here. But I still do love art though. I think this is a mantra that most artists in this scene needs to recite religiously. I will not make any more boring street art. Another condescending know it all post
Oooh. ZING! ;D
sh*t's got boring round here. But I still do love art though. I think this is a mantra that most artists in this scene needs to recite religiously. I will not make any more boring street art. Another condescending know it all post Oooh. ZING! ;D |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by skanky on Sept 16, 2008 22:47:00 GMT 1, Well said Alsabar we are all now critics and bad work is panned instantly, that is why the top artists like Faile, Banksy, Neate,Os G, Parla etc will go from strength to strength. This is art for the people and we are not told what to like by some guy stroking his beard, the internet has changed everything there is no going back !
Well said Alsabar we are all now critics and bad work is panned instantly, that is why the top artists like Faile, Banksy, Neate,Os G, Parla etc will go from strength to strength. This is art for the people and we are not told what to like by some guy stroking his beard, the internet has changed everything there is no going back !
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by alsbabar on Sept 16, 2008 23:07:23 GMT 1, i dont understand how anyone can be disheartened by the scene also, given what 2008 has offered, buffin mentioned all the great shows, what about the artist who have broken through to the more mainstream, Neate, Parla, OS Gemeos, Banksys' works in New Orleans, BRP's Big Issue charity, graffle, Nuarts show, Paul Insect last week, the resurrection of Micallef, and we still have some great things to look forward to, you cant help but love it more - i do honestly believe we have been spoilt this year
i dont understand how anyone can be disheartened by the scene also, given what 2008 has offered, buffin mentioned all the great shows, what about the artist who have broken through to the more mainstream, Neate, Parla, OS Gemeos, Banksys' works in New Orleans, BRP's Big Issue charity, graffle, Nuarts show, Paul Insect last week, the resurrection of Micallef, and we still have some great things to look forward to, you cant help but love it more - i do honestly believe we have been spoilt this year
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by romanywg on Sept 16, 2008 23:47:03 GMT 1, I think what snakes, I mean Mojo is saying is that it's getting harder to flip, I mean make money on selling prints nowadays.
The scene is alive and well thank you very much.
I think what snakes, I mean Mojo is saying is that it's getting harder to flip, I mean make money on selling prints nowadays.
The scene is alive and well thank you very much.
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by alsbabar on Sept 16, 2008 23:49:51 GMT 1, I think what snakes, I mean Mojo is saying is that it's getting harder to flip, I mean make money on selling prints nowadays. The scene is alive and well thank you very much.
my bullshit filter must have been switched off, yes after re-reading it, you are right rom ;D ;D
I think what snakes, I mean Mojo is saying is that it's getting harder to flip, I mean make money on selling prints nowadays. The scene is alive and well thank you very much. my bullshit filter must have been switched off, yes after re-reading it, you are right rom ;D ;D |
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IS URBAN / STREET ART AND THIS SCENE DEAD?, by Daniel Silk on Sept 16, 2008 23:53:05 GMT 1, Agree with Romanywg post above
I was just thinking over the last few weeks and months how things have improved, and the scene is looking very healthy ;D
Agree with Romanywg post above I was just thinking over the last few weeks and months how things have improved, and the scene is looking very healthy ;D |
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but I love the 'scene' and am excited by the future releases, exhibitions, auctions etc. 
) and in the long term (watching artists develop and grow etc). There are exciting times ahead ... bring it on I say 
