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Street art movement over?, by bullet on Jul 15, 2009 23:27:45 GMT 1, Now some would say it is debatable, but you have to admit that the past few years has been a street art movement which will go into the books as the time banksy and co ruled.
Just of late, particularly the last few months i have noticed less going on in that world and more focus on some of the painters and artists such as matt small etc.
I don't know if it is the recession or what, but something has died and is starting to smell a bit i think. Whatever anyone does now is nothing new and only 1 person can keep the ideas fresh but for how long?
Maybe it's because the flippers are long gone or still trying it on and not coming to terms with not being able to sell for what the 'market' was at 1 year or 2 ago...those things will never sell to be honest and i think everyone knows it.
I personally think its all changing again, a lot of chaff has gone...
Now some would say it is debatable, but you have to admit that the past few years has been a street art movement which will go into the books as the time banksy and co ruled.
Just of late, particularly the last few months i have noticed less going on in that world and more focus on some of the painters and artists such as matt small etc.
I don't know if it is the recession or what, but something has died and is starting to smell a bit i think. Whatever anyone does now is nothing new and only 1 person can keep the ideas fresh but for how long?
Maybe it's because the flippers are long gone or still trying it on and not coming to terms with not being able to sell for what the 'market' was at 1 year or 2 ago...those things will never sell to be honest and i think everyone knows it.
I personally think its all changing again, a lot of chaff has gone...
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Street art movement over?, by wizzy on Jul 15, 2009 23:37:17 GMT 1, Maybe its because of this bloody recession and people are thinking more about spending and what they spend it on, Art is a luxury and all that, maybe the move is more towards what is perceived to be real Art now and less towards stencil works or rather large print runs etc.? maybe that will come back, who knows really?. The Design sales are taking a knock, good works are still selling but for less than they were and friends who have Galleries say they are just as busy but with less expensive items so in turn that means less profit for them. Wheat from Chaff is a bit sweeping i know but perhaps things will be better for a shake up.
Maybe its because of this bloody recession and people are thinking more about spending and what they spend it on, Art is a luxury and all that, maybe the move is more towards what is perceived to be real Art now and less towards stencil works or rather large print runs etc.? maybe that will come back, who knows really?. The Design sales are taking a knock, good works are still selling but for less than they were and friends who have Galleries say they are just as busy but with less expensive items so in turn that means less profit for them. Wheat from Chaff is a bit sweeping i know but perhaps things will be better for a shake up.
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Street art movement over?, by sashaz on Jul 16, 2009 0:40:01 GMT 1, I think it may be slighty out of fashion but the surge will help root it in the artworld. After a while it will rise as people again grow to appreciate it and artists stay in the lime light and become household names.
I think it may be slighty out of fashion but the surge will help root it in the artworld. After a while it will rise as people again grow to appreciate it and artists stay in the lime light and become household names.
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Street art movement over?, by Daniel Silk on Jul 16, 2009 0:51:06 GMT 1, I think some people in the scene were attracted to it by it being underground, and only really followed about by the people in the know. Now things have grown so much and everyones Gran knows who Banksy is it no longer holds that secretive edge that attracted them in the first place.
Those people move on and maybe feel that the scene dies when they leave  not really wanting to accept that things carry on, and continue to develop and grow without them  New people find out about the Artists and Art, and really love it for what it is, rather than it just being a fad that is the in thing of the moment.
I think some people in the scene were attracted to it by it being underground, and only really followed about by the people in the know. Now things have grown so much and everyones Gran knows who Banksy is it no longer holds that secretive edge that attracted them in the first place. Those people move on and maybe feel that the scene dies when they leave not really wanting to accept that things carry on, and continue to develop and grow without them New people find out about the Artists and Art, and really love it for what it is, rather than it just being a fad that is the in thing of the moment. |
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Street art movement over?, by bullet on Jul 16, 2009 8:45:09 GMT 1, indeed but street art in its true form (stencils) is becoming a bit old hat i think...
indeed but street art in its true form (stencils) is becoming a bit old hat i think...
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Street art movement over?, by manchestermike on Jul 16, 2009 8:56:21 GMT 1, indeed but street art in its true form (stencils) is becoming a bit old hat i think...
Why are stencil's street art's "true form"?
indeed but street art in its true form (stencils) is becoming a bit old hat i think... Why are stencil's street art's "true form"? |
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Street art movement over?, by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 9:31:23 GMT 1, i think it's important to remember that .info isn't the centre of the street art universe and the 'perceived' view that people have left the scene due to it's popularity ...is primarily just that they don't post here anymore (or in fact never did!)
i think it's important to remember that .info isn't the centre of the street art universe and the 'perceived' view that people have left the scene due to it's popularity ...is primarily just that they don't post here anymore (or in fact never did!)
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Street art movement over?, by bullet on Jul 16, 2009 9:32:21 GMT 1, indeed but street art in its true form (stencils) is becoming a bit old hat i think... Why are stencil's street art's "true form"?
street art started with tags and stencils did it not?
indeed but street art in its true form (stencils) is becoming a bit old hat i think... Why are stencil's street art's "true form"? street art started with tags and stencils did it not? |
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Street art movement over?, by doublehelix on Jul 16, 2009 9:51:12 GMT 1, "Street art movement over?"
Ridiculous. On average 5000 people have queued every day since the Banksy show opened. That's over 150,000 to date.
Have you even been to see the show Freerange?
"Street art movement over?"
Ridiculous. On average 5000 people have queued every day since the Banksy show opened. That's over 150,000 to date.
Have you even been to see the show Freerange?
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Street art movement over?, by bullet on Jul 16, 2009 9:58:59 GMT 1, yeah but thats for banksy. read my top post again DH.
yeah but thats for banksy. read my top post again DH.
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Street art movement over?, by pork on Jul 16, 2009 10:06:35 GMT 1, Time to give it up silky, do us all a favour mate, close the forum, it's over.........
Time to give it up silky, do us all a favour mate, close the forum, it's over......... |
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Street art movement over?, by bullet on Jul 16, 2009 10:08:14 GMT 1, ffs, whats the problem...are people worried their collections are going to lose value or something.
Those times of 2 years ago will never come back, so that was the boom...now its slowing decaying and only 1 artist can still do it because most of it has moved away from the street.
ffs, whats the problem...are people worried their collections are going to lose value or something.
Those times of 2 years ago will never come back, so that was the boom...now its slowing decaying and only 1 artist can still do it because most of it has moved away from the street.
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Street art movement over?, by doublehelix on Jul 16, 2009 10:12:15 GMT 1, 
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Street art movement over?, by sand on Jul 16, 2009 10:24:24 GMT 1, 
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Street art movement over?, by richy00 on Jul 16, 2009 10:31:56 GMT 1, i personally think its not dead, its was just rolled over on its back and fucked by the recession.
alot of people were really interested in it as it was a hobby, and a profitable one at that, which made them more and more interested.. now its not so profitable it leaves people who genuinely are interested in the movement which there arnt so many.
but as someone said earlier 150000 people have visited the show, but i can bet 99% of them would ever consider spending 2k on a signed print
in conclusion! the movement is alive, the sale and resale market is dead.
i personally think its not dead, its was just rolled over on its back and fucked by the recession.
alot of people were really interested in it as it was a hobby, and a profitable one at that, which made them more and more interested.. now its not so profitable it leaves people who genuinely are interested in the movement which there arnt so many.
but as someone said earlier 150000 people have visited the show, but i can bet 99% of them would ever consider spending 2k on a signed print
in conclusion! the movement is alive, the sale and resale market is dead.
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Street art movement over?, by arcam1 on Jul 16, 2009 10:55:31 GMT 1,
touche
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Street art movement over?, by doublehelix on Jul 16, 2009 11:13:34 GMT 1, Romanywg just uploaded this, over a month into the show and look at the size of the queue:
Yeah, this movement is so over.
Romanywg just uploaded this, over a month into the show and look at the size of the queue: Yeah, this movement is so over. |
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Street art movement over?, by doublehelix on Jul 16, 2009 11:14:56 GMT 1, Photo was taken on Tuesday July 14th, not at the weekend.
Photo was taken on Tuesday July 14th, not at the weekend.
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Street art movement over?, by Karl Read on Jul 16, 2009 11:18:11 GMT 1, I think it's booming more than ever!
It's people's spending thats calmed down, this is a recession after all.
I think it's booming more than ever!
It's people's spending thats calmed down, this is a recession after all.
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Street art movement over?, by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 11:41:52 GMT 1, i'm glad to see this place is still a haven for an intellectual discussion
the initial idea that maybe this isn't the 'scene' it once was in terms of excitement and new productive skill does have some merit - at least to discuss -
i'm glad to see this place is still a haven for an intellectual discussion
the initial idea that maybe this isn't the 'scene' it once was in terms of excitement and new productive skill does have some merit - at least to discuss -
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Street art movement over?, by BME on Jul 16, 2009 11:57:28 GMT 1, In terms of popularity, I think that it has a long way to go, but in a sense, it's very popularity is what's killing it. Dealers/Money and so on; not really where (or why) it all started...
In terms of popularity, I think that it has a long way to go, but in a sense, it's very popularity is what's killing it. Dealers/Money and so on; not really where (or why) it all started...
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Street art movement over?, by Daniel Silk on Jul 16, 2009 12:05:13 GMT 1, One thing that always has stood out in this scene is the large number of Doom & Gloom merchants
I really do feel sorry for people like that 
"Dip dip dive so-socialize
Open up your ears and clean out your eyes
If you learn to love you're in for a surprise
It could be nice to be alive"
One thing that always has stood out in this scene is the large number of Doom & Gloom merchants I really do feel sorry for people like that "Dip dip dive so-socialize Open up your ears and clean out your eyes If you learn to love you're in for a surprise It could be nice to be alive" |
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Street art movement over?, by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 12:09:22 GMT 1, that's a very important point BME, the central crux of street art was not about money, but as with all things that gain popularity, people take interest when there's money to be made.
i think in terms of people making money out of the 'relatively' simple process (i know i know) of producing a print that time has now passed, the question for me at least is who comes along that challenges Banksy and helps to continue to make this a rich, varied and vibrant scene
that's a very important point BME, the central crux of street art was not about money, but as with all things that gain popularity, people take interest when there's money to be made.
i think in terms of people making money out of the 'relatively' simple process (i know i know) of producing a print that time has now passed, the question for me at least is who comes along that challenges Banksy and helps to continue to make this a rich, varied and vibrant scene
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Street art movement over?, by alsbabar on Jul 16, 2009 12:10:00 GMT 1, street art isnt dead, lots of unknown artists out there doing their thing, but the urban art scene is well and truly dead and you can blame street artists who thought they were talented enough to take their art from the streets to peoples houses
street art isnt dead, lots of unknown artists out there doing their thing, but the urban art scene is well and truly dead and you can blame street artists who thought they were talented enough to take their art from the streets to peoples houses
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Street art movement over?, by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 12:10:41 GMT 1, where you see doom and gloom, i at least see an interesting conversation
where you see doom and gloom, i at least see an interesting conversation
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Street art movement over?, by Dellboyy on Jul 16, 2009 12:22:57 GMT 1, For me the scene is far from dead... the lower end might be a bit saturated with artists, but this does seem to be leading to smaller galleries putting on more shows with live art and all.
Also, maybe part of the people not spending as much thing, is people are not just recklessly buying in quantity, but fewer more expensive pieces that mean more?
For me the scene is far from dead... the lower end might be a bit saturated with artists, but this does seem to be leading to smaller galleries putting on more shows with live art and all.
Also, maybe part of the people not spending as much thing, is people are not just recklessly buying in quantity, but fewer more expensive pieces that mean more?
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Street art movement over?, by Daniel Silk on Jul 16, 2009 12:29:39 GMT 1, where you see doom and gloom, i at least see an interesting conversation
Each to their own I guess ;D
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Street art movement over?, by Existencil on Jul 16, 2009 12:58:59 GMT 1, The bottom is not falling out of street art just because you can't flip your prints Freerange.
I've definately noticed the downturn recently though. I think one of the main factors is that you dont see as many releases by the big dogs of street art. I think the main players have become less active - probably due to the money they've made and the lack of an incentive to produce new and fresh ideas. Unfortunately, the new wave are not producing original enough work to re-ignite interest in the medium. It's got really stuffy. I still love POW, but seriously...Penny and Fowler's offerings today are not a good reflection of where street art is. However, I still get the old feeling when I go to opening nights. Generally though, the magic has gone. It's definately linked to the credit crunch, but not 100% People still spend vast amounts of money on limited books, banknotes and coins for instance. It's more about laziness. The movement has got rich, fat and lazy.
The bottom is not falling out of street art just because you can't flip your prints Freerange.
I've definately noticed the downturn recently though. I think one of the main factors is that you dont see as many releases by the big dogs of street art. I think the main players have become less active - probably due to the money they've made and the lack of an incentive to produce new and fresh ideas. Unfortunately, the new wave are not producing original enough work to re-ignite interest in the medium. It's got really stuffy. I still love POW, but seriously...Penny and Fowler's offerings today are not a good reflection of where street art is. However, I still get the old feeling when I go to opening nights. Generally though, the magic has gone. It's definately linked to the credit crunch, but not 100% People still spend vast amounts of money on limited books, banknotes and coins for instance. It's more about laziness. The movement has got rich, fat and lazy.
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Street art movement over?, by thegreatarchitect on Jul 16, 2009 13:03:19 GMT 1, I think we are all forgetting one thing here. Street art is one of the oldest movements in art Throughout its long history it has always been seen as the psychotic distant relative of the mainstream movements, One of the first to realize the richness of its spontaneous, eccentric expression was Jean Du Buffet who became an avid collector of the stuff and much of his art is clearly heavily influenced by the works he collected Banksy role in the movement has only been to spearhead the movement in to the mainstream. True this recession has had an important impact on the movement and the current novelty may have worn slightly, but.all movements evolve and there are a great many artists currently involved in the street art scene that have the talent and potential to ride this recession, This forum is a springboard for many of them and only time will tell.
I think we are all forgetting one thing here. Street art is one of the oldest movements in art Throughout its long history it has always been seen as the psychotic distant relative of the mainstream movements, One of the first to realize the richness of its spontaneous, eccentric expression was Jean Du Buffet who became an avid collector of the stuff and much of his art is clearly heavily influenced by the works he collected Banksy role in the movement has only been to spearhead the movement in to the mainstream. True this recession has had an important impact on the movement and the current novelty may have worn slightly, but.all movements evolve and there are a great many artists currently involved in the street art scene that have the talent and potential to ride this recession, This forum is a springboard for many of them and only time will tell.
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not really wanting to accept that things carry on, and continue to develop and grow without them 
New people find out about the Artists and Art, and really love it for what it is, rather than it just being a fad that is the in thing of the moment. 
