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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by jB on Oct 18, 2011 0:15:00 GMT 1, I think you should call the gallery and see what is really going on. I've worked with Seth before (for many years actually) and have nothing but kind things to say about him, his wife, or his gallery.
I think you should call the gallery and see what is really going on. I've worked with Seth before (for many years actually) and have nothing but kind things to say about him, his wife, or his gallery.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by karibo on Oct 18, 2011 0:35:32 GMT 1, I'm new to this Board but not to collecting so I feel for you. I don't know Seth but often the best thing is to be truthful. He ought to have told you what was going on instead of making a mess of things. Unanswered emails and calls makes the buyer paranoid. On the issue of trust, as collectors we take a risk when sending our hard earned cash to someone. Always hoping that we receive what we have paid for.
If Seth reads this, just let Findtom know what's going on. It'll clear the air and based on the relationship you've had in the past I'm sure you can work something out.
Findtom, good luck. Hope it works out.
I'm new to this Board but not to collecting so I feel for you. I don't know Seth but often the best thing is to be truthful. He ought to have told you what was going on instead of making a mess of things. Unanswered emails and calls makes the buyer paranoid. On the issue of trust, as collectors we take a risk when sending our hard earned cash to someone. Always hoping that we receive what we have paid for.
If Seth reads this, just let Findtom know what's going on. It'll clear the air and based on the relationship you've had in the past I'm sure you can work something out.
Findtom, good luck. Hope it works out.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 0:48:17 GMT 1, which HPM was it?
which HPM was it?
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by karibo on Oct 18, 2011 0:53:58 GMT 1, He's broken your trust by being evasive, which in turn has made you anxious about the HUGE sum you gave him in good faith. From what you have written and the relationship you've shared in the past, I doubt that he has run off with your money. However, I do think he owes you an explanation and your money back because he failed to deliver on his promises. Seth's burying his head in the sand instead of talking honestly and directly. He ought to let you know what's going on regardless of what the issue might be.
Two months is a very long time and you've handled it better than I would have.
I'm glad you posted this message as a reminder to us all that things can go wrong unexpectedly.
He's broken your trust by being evasive, which in turn has made you anxious about the HUGE sum you gave him in good faith. From what you have written and the relationship you've shared in the past, I doubt that he has run off with your money. However, I do think he owes you an explanation and your money back because he failed to deliver on his promises. Seth's burying his head in the sand instead of talking honestly and directly. He ought to let you know what's going on regardless of what the issue might be.
Two months is a very long time and you've handled it better than I would have.
I'm glad you posted this message as a reminder to us all that things can go wrong unexpectedly.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by selfmade on Oct 18, 2011 1:15:32 GMT 1, Hey man, know how you feel. That said, Seth has always come through for me. Sometimes it takes awhile, but he is definitely trustworthy. Having sold a couple of pieces on my own, I can appreciate that things happen. This seems to go ten-fold for Shepard Fairey collectors.
$5500 is a GREAT price for an HPM on wood. Best I've heard in awhile. Hope things work out for you.
Hey man, know how you feel. That said, Seth has always come through for me. Sometimes it takes awhile, but he is definitely trustworthy. Having sold a couple of pieces on my own, I can appreciate that things happen. This seems to go ten-fold for Shepard Fairey collectors.
$5500 is a GREAT price for an HPM on wood. Best I've heard in awhile. Hope things work out for you.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by jB on Oct 18, 2011 3:51:10 GMT 1, glad to hear that things look like they are in the process of getting sorted. best of luck.
glad to hear that things look like they are in the process of getting sorted. best of luck.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by johnnyh on Oct 18, 2011 6:05:11 GMT 1, Just goes to show though took some bad publicity to get some action. One of the real benefits of the board and a group of collectors.
Good luck and hope you get your check
Johnny
Just goes to show though took some bad publicity to get some action. One of the real benefits of the board and a group of collectors.
Good luck and hope you get your check
Johnny
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by xmyart on Oct 18, 2011 9:07:39 GMT 1, Sounds like a gallery to avoid at all costs though.
Seems to me that if it was a great price, thatt may be why its been such hasstle. Possibbly he just got a better offer and decided to mess you about untill you requested a refund.
Sounds like a gallery to avoid at all costs though.
Seems to me that if it was a great price, thatt may be why its been such hasstle. Possibbly he just got a better offer and decided to mess you about untill you requested a refund.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 9:23:53 GMT 1, quite surprised to hear this, only heared positive things about seth & co and only have positive experiences with them myself. I'm not defending them at all, this is horrible for you and I just hope everything gets settled in a proper way, for what is possible after such a horrific story.
I just would not avoid them, every gallery makes mistakes, and this is a very big one, but seth contributed great to this art scene.
keep us updated, sure it will all be on its feet in the end. (and hopefully the end is near)
quite surprised to hear this, only heared positive things about seth & co and only have positive experiences with them myself. I'm not defending them at all, this is horrible for you and I just hope everything gets settled in a proper way, for what is possible after such a horrific story.
I just would not avoid them, every gallery makes mistakes, and this is a very big one, but seth contributed great to this art scene.
keep us updated, sure it will all be on its feet in the end. (and hopefully the end is near)
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by origo on Oct 18, 2011 10:06:52 GMT 1, Communication means all to me when wiring that sort of money, hope it getยดs sorted for you.
Communication means all to me when wiring that sort of money, hope it getยดs sorted for you.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by Zippy on Oct 18, 2011 12:25:29 GMT 1, I do not wish to comment on your post nor should we 'criticise' the Gallery as we are only hearing one side of the story.
However, can i ask why you let this 'drag on' for so long when your Avatar details show you are based in LA and I believe Carmichael's are in LA too? Therefore why did you wait so long and not 'pop in' to collect the piece or at least discuss your frustrations?
There was a recent post on here criticising a UK Gallery. I replied to the post asking the OP to contact them directly to resolve the issue. He did this and it was resolved amicably to both sides satisfaction.
I do not wish to comment on your post nor should we 'criticise' the Gallery as we are only hearing one side of the story.
However, can i ask why you let this 'drag on' for so long when your Avatar details show you are based in LA and I believe Carmichael's are in LA too? Therefore why did you wait so long and not 'pop in' to collect the piece or at least discuss your frustrations?
There was a recent post on here criticising a UK Gallery. I replied to the post asking the OP to contact them directly to resolve the issue. He did this and it was resolved amicably to both sides satisfaction.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by remirough on Oct 18, 2011 13:01:00 GMT 1, I have to agree Zippy... I have never had any business dealings with Carmichael Gallery, but it seems a bit off to me to coat them off on a public forum...
And making aspersions such as 'I strongly suggest you don't deal with them.' is a unnecessary and highly unprofessional from any perspective. They've been trading for a long time now and it stands to reason that they're pretty successful as a gallery, which 9in my humble opinion), if they were ripping people off regularly, I fail to see how they'd still be in business...
There's a saying about dirty laundry... People should keep somethings to themselves.
I have to agree Zippy... I have never had any business dealings with Carmichael Gallery, but it seems a bit off to me to coat them off on a public forum...
And making aspersions such as 'I strongly suggest you don't deal with them.' is a unnecessary and highly unprofessional from any perspective. They've been trading for a long time now and it stands to reason that they're pretty successful as a gallery, which 9in my humble opinion), if they were ripping people off regularly, I fail to see how they'd still be in business...
There's a saying about dirty laundry... People should keep somethings to themselves.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by maumau93 on Oct 18, 2011 13:18:12 GMT 1, i have to disagree and think that when you are paying someone that kind of money you expect a certain amount of professionalism and especially communication, and for them/him to string you out like this and not speek to you in person is and would be a massive disappointment.
i have to disagree and think that when you are paying someone that kind of money you expect a certain amount of professionalism and especially communication, and for them/him to string you out like this and not speek to you in person is and would be a massive disappointment.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by sal on Oct 18, 2011 13:49:08 GMT 1, Just goes to show though took some bad publicity to get some action. One of the real benefits of the board and a group of collectors.
sadly, I agree with you..
in my short collecting "career" I had couple of experiences where I basically had to threaten people Im gonna go public about our deal (when I was still in touch with them).. and sadly, it worked every single time... I hate being put in that situation as I never resort to that kind of behavior in private life, but I guess some people just can't keep their word without being "forced" to do so.. it was always after months of being pushed around, having to pull someone's sleeve for something I paid for, and feeling ashamed of the situation I was put into.. also, I think the communication is a key factor for any deal, and I there cant be any excuses for not answering emails, messages, phone calls.. not with today's technology, and especially not when you know you owe someone something (no matter if its a "thanks" or a work of art worth couple of thousands)...
good luck FindTom!
Just goes to show though took some bad publicity to get some action. One of the real benefits of the board and a group of collectors. sadly, I agree with you.. in my short collecting "career" I had couple of experiences where I basically had to threaten people Im gonna go public about our deal (when I was still in touch with them).. and sadly, it worked every single time... I hate being put in that situation as I never resort to that kind of behavior in private life, but I guess some people just can't keep their word without being "forced" to do so.. it was always after months of being pushed around, having to pull someone's sleeve for something I paid for, and feeling ashamed of the situation I was put into.. also, I think the communication is a key factor for any deal, and I there cant be any excuses for not answering emails, messages, phone calls.. not with today's technology, and especially not when you know you owe someone something (no matter if its a "thanks" or a work of art worth couple of thousands)... good luck FindTom! |
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by tobaum on Oct 18, 2011 15:29:37 GMT 1, I only had smooth deals with Carmichael Gallery.
I'm based in Belgium and always had my pieces shipped safely and fast.
I'm very surprised.
Hope you get your money back.
I only had smooth deals with Carmichael Gallery.
I'm based in Belgium and always had my pieces shipped safely and fast.
I'm very surprised.
Hope you get your money back.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by remirough on Oct 18, 2011 15:35:57 GMT 1, I have to agree Zippy... I have never had any business dealings with Carmichael Gallery, but it seems a bit off to me to coat them off on a public forum... And making aspersions such as 'I strongly suggest you don't deal with them.' is a unnecessary and highly unprofessional from any perspective. They've been trading for a long time now and it stands to reason that they're pretty successful as a gallery, which 9in my humble opinion), if they were ripping people off regularly, I fail to see how they'd still be in business... There's a saying about dirty laundry... People should keep somethings to themselves. My post is entirely factual, there's no slander or conjecture about what has happened. If you had this much money out to a Gallery that advertises on this forum you might feel differently about sharing that information with fellow collectors.
I completely appreciate your predicament dude, It's your tactics on dealing with it I have issue with. No everyone knows your business and how much money you initially spent on the piece, I just think it's not a good luck for you or anyone else... That's all.
I have to agree Zippy... I have never had any business dealings with Carmichael Gallery, but it seems a bit off to me to coat them off on a public forum... And making aspersions such as 'I strongly suggest you don't deal with them.' is a unnecessary and highly unprofessional from any perspective. They've been trading for a long time now and it stands to reason that they're pretty successful as a gallery, which 9in my humble opinion), if they were ripping people off regularly, I fail to see how they'd still be in business... There's a saying about dirty laundry... People should keep somethings to themselves. My post is entirely factual, there's no slander or conjecture about what has happened. If you had this much money out to a Gallery that advertises on this forum you might feel differently about sharing that information with fellow collectors. I completely appreciate your predicament dude, It's your tactics on dealing with it I have issue with. No everyone knows your business and how much money you initially spent on the piece, I just think it's not a good luck for you or anyone else... That's all. |
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by matbat on Oct 18, 2011 15:57:18 GMT 1, i have to disagree and think that when you are paying someone that kind of money you expect a certain amount of professionalism and especially communication, and for them/him to string you out like this and not speek to you in person is and would be a massive disappointment.
I totally agree with this. What does anyone have to hide. Its a lot of money to anyone. I hope this works out for you tom.
i have to disagree and think that when you are paying someone that kind of money you expect a certain amount of professionalism and especially communication, and for them/him to string you out like this and not speek to you in person is and would be a massive disappointment. I totally agree with this. What does anyone have to hide. Its a lot of money to anyone. I hope this works out for you tom. |
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by balibob on Oct 18, 2011 16:34:27 GMT 1, Its never nice to see a gallery/person who you know or have had good dealings with 'coated' on a public forum. However Findtom has said that this problem was 2 months old and was exacerbated by the lack of communication from the gallery. If as a business you have taken a customers money, there is absolutly no excuse for ignoring phone calls and emails from the buyer. True the odd message sometimes doesn't get passed on, but its not generally a repeating occurence.
A few have commented how findtom has been unprofessional. Strange that as all the professionalism is supposed to come from the gallery (the business), not the buyer. Waiting 2 months before airing it on this forum is showing quiet considerable restraint given the lack of communication and the amount of money involved.
On the gallery's side, I've only heard good things about them to date, so as they do use this forum it would be interesting to hear their side of the story.
Its never nice to see a gallery/person who you know or have had good dealings with 'coated' on a public forum. However Findtom has said that this problem was 2 months old and was exacerbated by the lack of communication from the gallery. If as a business you have taken a customers money, there is absolutly no excuse for ignoring phone calls and emails from the buyer. True the odd message sometimes doesn't get passed on, but its not generally a repeating occurence.
A few have commented how findtom has been unprofessional. Strange that as all the professionalism is supposed to come from the gallery (the business), not the buyer. Waiting 2 months before airing it on this forum is showing quiet considerable restraint given the lack of communication and the amount of money involved.
On the gallery's side, I've only heard good things about them to date, so as they do use this forum it would be interesting to hear their side of the story.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by curiousgeorge on Oct 18, 2011 16:47:46 GMT 1, Tactics? wtf!! what a silly thing to say
Tactics? wtf!! what a silly thing to say
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by drevil on Oct 18, 2011 16:57:27 GMT 1, I am on board with Findtom here.
The gallery is the business, he is the buyer. Is the gallery business not a service industry in a way? What ever happened to the customer is always right-type mentality? 2 months is WAY too long, IMO.
I am going on day 40 of my own problems with a UK gallery right now. Hope to get it sorted out soon. Regardless, I can understand his frustration.
I am on board with Findtom here.
The gallery is the business, he is the buyer. Is the gallery business not a service industry in a way? What ever happened to the customer is always right-type mentality? 2 months is WAY too long, IMO.
I am going on day 40 of my own problems with a UK gallery right now. Hope to get it sorted out soon. Regardless, I can understand his frustration.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 17:08:55 GMT 1, I find threads like these are actually counterproductive - I know of someone else who is owed money by seth, and for longer than 2 months, but he is working with seth to get his money back, and in doing so, isnt airing his private business out there for others to speculate on it.
You have other means at your disposal in order to get your money - as you said, you have filed a moneyback request with Google Checkout, and you have also contacted the plod in LA - so why not exhaust those avenues first before going public?
I find threads like these are actually counterproductive - I know of someone else who is owed money by seth, and for longer than 2 months, but he is working with seth to get his money back, and in doing so, isnt airing his private business out there for others to speculate on it.
You have other means at your disposal in order to get your money - as you said, you have filed a moneyback request with Google Checkout, and you have also contacted the plod in LA - so why not exhaust those avenues first before going public?
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by tobaum on Oct 18, 2011 17:11:03 GMT 1, Did you check your junkmail/spam? ;D
Did you check your junkmail/spam? ;D
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by sand on Oct 18, 2011 17:15:55 GMT 1, I find threads like these are actually counterproductive - I know of someone else who is owed money by seth, and for longer than 2 months, but he is working with seth to get his money back, and in doing so, isnt airing his private business out there for others to speculate on it. You have other means at your disposal in order to get your money - as you said, you have filed a moneyback request with Google Checkout, and you have also contacted the plod in LA - so why not exhaust those avenues first before going public?
Well by the sounds of it, it might not be an isolated incident.
In answer to your question - why not warn other collectors about your negative experience. Otherwise someone else might get caught out.
And you're only as good as your last game, or in this case, your last transaction.
It wouldn't be the first time that somebody who has been reliable over the years suddenly has a cash flow problem and things go wrong..(not saying that has happened here).
And the fact that things have only starting moving and correspondence has restarted since this thread was started, has proved it has been successful rather than spending weeks or further months to reach a amicable agreement in court or by other means.
I find threads like these are actually counterproductive - I know of someone else who is owed money by seth, and for longer than 2 months, but he is working with seth to get his money back, and in doing so, isnt airing his private business out there for others to speculate on it. You have other means at your disposal in order to get your money - as you said, you have filed a moneyback request with Google Checkout, and you have also contacted the plod in LA - so why not exhaust those avenues first before going public? Well by the sounds of it, it might not be an isolated incident. In answer to your question - why not warn other collectors about your negative experience. Otherwise someone else might get caught out. And you're only as good as your last game, or in this case, your last transaction. It wouldn't be the first time that somebody who has been reliable over the years suddenly has a cash flow problem and things go wrong..(not saying that has happened here). And the fact that things have only starting moving and correspondence has restarted since this thread was started, has proved it has been successful rather than spending weeks or further months to reach a amicable agreement in court or by other means. |
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by jesustheba on Oct 18, 2011 17:29:01 GMT 1, I find threads like these are actually counterproductive - I know of someone else who is owed money by seth, and for longer than 2 months, but he is working with seth to get his money back, and in doing so, isnt airing his private business out there for others to speculate on it. You have other means at your disposal in order to get your money - as you said, you have filed a moneyback request with Google Checkout, and you have also contacted the plod in LA - so why not exhaust those avenues first before going public?
Don't understand why someone should have to work with a gallery to get their money back and don't understand why its bad form to warn other people about a bad experience with a trusted gallery.
There is nothing to stop the gallery from posting their side of the story if they feel it is unfair
I find threads like these are actually counterproductive - I know of someone else who is owed money by seth, and for longer than 2 months, but he is working with seth to get his money back, and in doing so, isnt airing his private business out there for others to speculate on it. You have other means at your disposal in order to get your money - as you said, you have filed a moneyback request with Google Checkout, and you have also contacted the plod in LA - so why not exhaust those avenues first before going public? Don't understand why someone should have to work with a gallery to get their money back and don't understand why its bad form to warn other people about a bad experience with a trusted gallery. There is nothing to stop the gallery from posting their side of the story if they feel it is unfair |
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by drevil on Oct 18, 2011 17:45:11 GMT 1, Maybe what is needed (on here or elsewhere) is something like the Yelp of art galleries where people could rate both good and bad experiences. In my experience, Yelp has a way of pushing businesses to be more in tune with their customer base and its related desires.
Maybe what is needed (on here or elsewhere) is something like the Yelp of art galleries where people could rate both good and bad experiences. In my experience, Yelp has a way of pushing businesses to be more in tune with their customer base and its related desires.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 17:50:06 GMT 1, I find threads like these are actually counterproductive - I know of someone else who is owed money by seth, and for longer than 2 months, but he is working with seth to get his money back, and in doing so, isnt airing his private business out there for others to speculate on it. You have other means at your disposal in order to get your money - as you said, you have filed a moneyback request with Google Checkout, and you have also contacted the plod in LA - so why not exhaust those avenues first before going public? Don't understand why someone should have to work with a gallery to get their money back and don't understand why its bad form to warn other people about a bad experience with a trusted gallery. There is nothing to stop the gallery from posting their side of the story if they feel it is unfair
i didnt say it was bad form, so please do not imply that I did - i just believe that once something like this goes public, the culprit tends to go to ground, so no one wins in the end.
I myself would have exhausted over avenues at my disposal first, such as Google Checkout or the LAPD or both. The reality is, if Carmichael has the money he will pay, if he doesn't, then no matter how many people throw their hands up in the air, it wont get Findtom's money back
I find threads like these are actually counterproductive - I know of someone else who is owed money by seth, and for longer than 2 months, but he is working with seth to get his money back, and in doing so, isnt airing his private business out there for others to speculate on it. You have other means at your disposal in order to get your money - as you said, you have filed a moneyback request with Google Checkout, and you have also contacted the plod in LA - so why not exhaust those avenues first before going public? Don't understand why someone should have to work with a gallery to get their money back and don't understand why its bad form to warn other people about a bad experience with a trusted gallery. There is nothing to stop the gallery from posting their side of the story if they feel it is unfair i didnt say it was bad form, so please do not imply that I did - i just believe that once something like this goes public, the culprit tends to go to ground, so no one wins in the end. I myself would have exhausted over avenues at my disposal first, such as Google Checkout or the LAPD or both. The reality is, if Carmichael has the money he will pay, if he doesn't, then no matter how many people throw their hands up in the air, it wont get Findtom's money back |
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by remirough on Oct 18, 2011 17:51:57 GMT 1, Seems to me that asking the advice of total strangers nowadays seems more of an option than going through the proper advice channels...
Oh well, whatever floats your boat man, personally I keep my business to myself.
Seems to me that asking the advice of total strangers nowadays seems more of an option than going through the proper advice channels...
Oh well, whatever floats your boat man, personally I keep my business to myself.
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 19:34:29 GMT 1, I find threads like these are actually counterproductive - I know of someone else who is owed money by seth, and for longer than 2 months, but he is working with seth to get his money back, and in doing so, isnt airing his private business out there for others to speculate on it. You have other means at your disposal in order to get your money - as you said, you have filed a moneyback request with Google Checkout, and you have also contacted the plod in LA - so why not exhaust those avenues first before going public?
What on earth does "working with seth to get his money back" mean? Seth owes him the money or he doesn't....he has the money or he doesn't...he hasn't got the money he should be out of business. I honestly dont think its more complicated then that. I dont care how nice he is to animals.
BTW (and this isnt aimed at you joevalentino) there have been some right arrogant holier than thou twats on this thread and its pissed me off. Sorry just had to get that off my chest.
Findtom, I hope you get your shit sorted or the gallery come back and tell us their story and it turns out you are a nutter. ;D
I find threads like these are actually counterproductive - I know of someone else who is owed money by seth, and for longer than 2 months, but he is working with seth to get his money back, and in doing so, isnt airing his private business out there for others to speculate on it. You have other means at your disposal in order to get your money - as you said, you have filed a moneyback request with Google Checkout, and you have also contacted the plod in LA - so why not exhaust those avenues first before going public? What on earth does "working with seth to get his money back" mean? Seth owes him the money or he doesn't....he has the money or he doesn't...he hasn't got the money he should be out of business. I honestly dont think its more complicated then that. I dont care how nice he is to animals. BTW (and this isnt aimed at you joevalentino) there have been some right arrogant holier than thou twats on this thread and its pissed me off. Sorry just had to get that off my chest. Findtom, I hope you get your shit sorted or the gallery come back and tell us their story and it turns out you are a nutter. ;D |
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by timba82 on Oct 18, 2011 19:49:59 GMT 1, I 100% agree with you for making this public. I hope you get your money back!!!!
I 100% agree with you for making this public. I hope you get your money back!!!!
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Carmichael Gallery Problem, by jesustheba on Oct 18, 2011 20:01:18 GMT 1, Don't understand why someone should have to work with a gallery to get their money back and don't understand why its bad form to warn other people about a bad experience with a trusted gallery. There is nothing to stop the gallery from posting their side of the story if they feel it is unfair i didnt say it was bad form, so please do not imply that I did - i just believe that once something like this goes public, the culprit tends to go to ground, so no one wins in the end. I myself would have exhausted over avenues at my disposal first, such as Google Checkout or the LAPD or both. The reality is, if Carmichael has the money he will pay, if he doesn't, then no matter how many people throw their hands up in the air, it wont get Findtom's money back
don't know what you meant then, you seemed to be criticizing someone for informing others of a bad experience
If people don't let others know about these things then people get taken advantage of and by the looks of it by bringing this to the forum he has got the result he should have had in the first place and warned others
Don't understand why someone should have to work with a gallery to get their money back and don't understand why its bad form to warn other people about a bad experience with a trusted gallery. There is nothing to stop the gallery from posting their side of the story if they feel it is unfair i didnt say it was bad form, so please do not imply that I did - i just believe that once something like this goes public, the culprit tends to go to ground, so no one wins in the end. I myself would have exhausted over avenues at my disposal first, such as Google Checkout or the LAPD or both. The reality is, if Carmichael has the money he will pay, if he doesn't, then no matter how many people throw their hands up in the air, it wont get Findtom's money back don't know what you meant then, you seemed to be criticizing someone for informing others of a bad experience If people don't let others know about these things then people get taken advantage of and by the looks of it by bringing this to the forum he has got the result he should have had in the first place and warned others |
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