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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 13, 2014 12:43:12 GMT 1, Well what else do you say to someone who doesn't know the difference between promotion and hype and calls me dumb for knowing the difference. Thought I was being polite...,sigh!!!
Well what else do you say to someone who doesn't know the difference between promotion and hype and calls me dumb for knowing the difference. Thought I was being polite...,sigh!!!
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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 13, 2014 12:14:02 GMT 1, You. Really are an idiot. You should maybe think before you jump on your keyboard with your petty insults.
It's not my fault your wrong and talk out of your rear
You. Really are an idiot. You should maybe think before you jump on your keyboard with your petty insults.
It's not my fault your wrong and talk out of your rear
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Best gig and sporting events you've been at. , by johnnyh on Nov 13, 2014 12:11:52 GMT 1, Def the World Cup in South Africa. Toured the whole tournament watching England and loads of other games saw England hammered by the Germans but what an atmosphere so followed the Germans through on what I hoped would be England's. Germany v Argentina, Germany v Spain Then Germany Holland in the final
south African was mega
Final day spent it with the Dutch fans in Soweto where Mandela lived then went to the stadium getting hammered as the day went on. Mandela appeared which was awesome perfect day at the final a life ambition
game was a bit shit mind but it didn't matter.
Def the World Cup in South Africa. Toured the whole tournament watching England and loads of other games saw England hammered by the Germans but what an atmosphere so followed the Germans through on what I hoped would be England's. Germany v Argentina, Germany v Spain Then Germany Holland in the final south African was mega Final day spent it with the Dutch fans in Soweto where Mandela lived then went to the stadium getting hammered as the day went on. Mandela appeared which was awesome perfect day at the final a life ambition game was a bit shit mind but it didn't matter.
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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 13, 2014 11:56:10 GMT 1, Promotion is something that supports an activity, an aim or objective Hype is something that excessively promotes or exaggerates an activity aim or objective person etc etc </div>Are you really this stupid?
one is promotion ......hype is an excessive amount the difference being a normal amount and an excessive amount or an excessive exaggeration
so so sorry thicko no they are not the same.
Before you call people dumb I suggest you go and ask an intelligent adult because if you cannot tell the difference after looking them up in a dictionary.....sorry fella your a lost cause.
Promotion is something that supports an activity, an aim or objective Hype is something that excessively promotes or exaggerates an activity aim or objective person etc etc </div>Are you really this stupid? one is promotion ......hype is an excessive amount the difference being a normal amount and an excessive amount or an excessive exaggeration so so sorry thicko no they are not the same. Before you call people dumb I suggest you go and ask an intelligent adult because if you cannot tell the difference after looking them up in a dictionary.....sorry fella your a lost cause.
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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 13, 2014 11:13:05 GMT 1, Errrm so what do you expect Connor Harrington to do stay at home and do a show in his living room, use a smaller gallery etc etc. there is a difference between promotion and Hype. Connor Harrington has worked his arse off for years and built his rep up long before his last show etc. Connor Harrington does not need Lazarides to move him up the ranks he is moving up the ranks quite well on his own. One could suggest they need him more for their profile these days more than he needs them So sorry you really are just talking out of your rear. 'There is a difference between promotion and hype' - dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypewww.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/hype_4Nope, there is basically none. Nobody promotes without flowery language either. Time to go back to business school. errrmmm I need to go back to business school do I. Think your the one that had to look up promotion and hype in the dictionary....sad thing is even after that you were stupid enough to say they were the same.
Sorry to say you are completely wrong.
Promotion is something that supports an activity, an aim or objective Hype is something that excessively promotes or exaggerates an activity aim or objective person etc etc
So please re look at both and you never know when you grow up you might even get to business school
Yeh yeh yeh I told him I did even quoted a dictionary
Errrm so what do you expect Connor Harrington to do stay at home and do a show in his living room, use a smaller gallery etc etc. there is a difference between promotion and Hype. Connor Harrington has worked his arse off for years and built his rep up long before his last show etc. Connor Harrington does not need Lazarides to move him up the ranks he is moving up the ranks quite well on his own. One could suggest they need him more for their profile these days more than he needs them So sorry you really are just talking out of your rear. 'There is a difference between promotion and hype' - dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypewww.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/hype_4Nope, there is basically none. Nobody promotes without flowery language either. Time to go back to business school. errrmmm I need to go back to business school do I. Think your the one that had to look up promotion and hype in the dictionary....sad thing is even after that you were stupid enough to say they were the same. Sorry to say you are completely wrong. Promotion is something that supports an activity, an aim or objective Hype is something that excessively promotes or exaggerates an activity aim or objective person etc etc So please re look at both and you never know when you grow up you might even get to business school Yeh yeh yeh I told him I did even quoted a dictionary
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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 13, 2014 9:09:44 GMT 1, Errrm so what do you expect Connor Harrington to do stay at home and do a show in his living room, use a smaller gallery etc etc. there is a difference between promotion and Hype.
Connor Harrington has worked his arse off for years and built his rep up long before his last show etc. Connor Harrington does not need Lazarides to move him up the ranks he is moving up the ranks quite well on his own. One could suggest they need him more for their profile these days more than he needs them So sorry you really are just talking out of your rear.
Errrm so what do you expect Connor Harrington to do stay at home and do a show in his living room, use a smaller gallery etc etc. there is a difference between promotion and Hype.
Connor Harrington has worked his arse off for years and built his rep up long before his last show etc. Connor Harrington does not need Lazarides to move him up the ranks he is moving up the ranks quite well on his own. One could suggest they need him more for their profile these days more than he needs them So sorry you really are just talking out of your rear.
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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 13, 2014 5:04:02 GMT 1, Duhh...... "I did, I did...I called him boy and said go to sleep boy....he he aren't I clever!!"
Duhh...... "I did, I did...I called him boy and said go to sleep boy....he he aren't I clever!!"
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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 13, 2014 4:52:05 GMT 1,
the term "boy" also has connotations as a racist slur. So happy for you to call daft names if that's your things but please choose your insults better and use those that don't have racist over tones
the term "boy" also has connotations as a racist slur. So happy for you to call daft names if that's your things but please choose your insults better and use those that don't have racist over tones
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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 13, 2014 4:40:38 GMT 1, I would suggest you spend a bit less time writing crap and a bit more time looking at the artists mentioned and you might realise what good street artists are!!
you might want to stop trying to be clever!!!
eg Banksy successful by hyping his own existence...how exactly ..support the claim ?
Take a look at the artists mentioned think you will then realise that they have already been around for a long while and will continue to be around for a long while based on their work not hype.
Graff highlighted the status of Invader and his importance in and to Street art. You might want to take a look and take a look at him and other artists in a bit more depth to understand and see why people think this
not everything is a 10 second sound bite. Bit less of the insults might also help
Little bit of of matururity goes a long way
I would suggest you spend a bit less time writing crap and a bit more time looking at the artists mentioned and you might realise what good street artists are!! you might want to stop trying to be clever!!! eg Banksy successful by hyping his own existence...how exactly ..support the claim ? Take a look at the artists mentioned think you will then realise that they have already been around for a long while and will continue to be around for a long while based on their work not hype. Graff highlighted the status of Invader and his importance in and to Street art. You might want to take a look and take a look at him and other artists in a bit more depth to understand and see why people think this not everything is a 10 second sound bite. Bit less of the insults might also help Little bit of of matururity goes a long way
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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 12, 2014 20:02:09 GMT 1, Best advice I can give is to read as many essays or articles about his work you will be suprised how much you can learn outside of a Forum where everyone is more concerned with obtaining the print than understanding it. This forum is great for what it is and for market speculation, learning about collecting and how to buy these prints there is no better place to get up to speed on the buying and value aspect of street art but you need to do outside research to really learn about the artform without a bias from people who own or are trying to flip the work. I will say invader's power lays in the act of painting in the street, consistently representing the act and repition of illegally placing these pieces in public. Aesthetically and conceptually you can read different perspectives, but I appreciate his ability to use the street and the act of illegally placing his work consistently even he doesn't have to. There are far better and brighter artists but there is the rare original and real authentic thing, Invader is that. Yet that doesn't mean he is what you like, thats the beauty of today there are plenty of others who are also genuine and represent something important that you might like. I don't look into street art (or urban art) as anything more complex than it is. The below is my own opinion and probably many people will hate me for saying this but the fact is graffitti began as an illegal activity in the first place. There are just too many out there who are just riding the waves and making money by doing what is 'easy' and lucrative. Big money it isn't though but good enough. With the exception of Banksy, I doubt many urban artists, even Invader, will be remembered long after we are gone. And one of the most compelling reasons he does it better than most is his ability to hype his own existence, be controversial and, while doing that, create a celebrity status for himself. I'm not saying he is not talented - his unique talent lies in creative thinking imo - imagining and putting down images which people wouldn't normally think of. The images are usually simpleand very grassroots, but tha's probably why it brings about a deep emotion inside of the everyday man, making one go 'I didn't know a message can be expressed by using imagery like this!' I am not able to see that in Invader that easily. But would pure talent survive without hype? And without one of the most important element - luck? No. In fact, I think this thread should be renamed ''Hype? Real talent? Luck?' One cannot do without the other two these days An artist can have talent. But we have also seen so many technically proficient artists never getting the recognition they deserve. Hype (or marketing and branding as we shall call it in business terms) is then extremely important for throwing the name out under the radar at least. And whether one succeeds in a highly competitive and informative global environment these days is totally left to pure luck. Knowing or winning the support of the right people helps tremendously too. So far, only banksy and kaws (in street or urban art) has all three. Think your just highlighting your lack of knowledge here. Have a look at OS Gemeos for example. Not really a street artist but did do some street work Adam Neate or Connor Harrington to name a couple who will be around for a long while there are plenty.
i would actually say Banksy made it with very little help or hype. The hype as you and ploppi like to call it to a certain extent happened after he had made it. Where is all the hype I actually see very little hype for Banksy, Invader, OS Gemeos, Connor Harrington etc the odd bit of promotion when doing a show etc but no great hype as it were. Banksy could be getting hype daily but he doesn't enter into it.
I love the fact that you say its luck, hype knowing someone ......have you ever considered the better you are the luckier you get!!!
Best advice I can give is to read as many essays or articles about his work you will be suprised how much you can learn outside of a Forum where everyone is more concerned with obtaining the print than understanding it. This forum is great for what it is and for market speculation, learning about collecting and how to buy these prints there is no better place to get up to speed on the buying and value aspect of street art but you need to do outside research to really learn about the artform without a bias from people who own or are trying to flip the work. I will say invader's power lays in the act of painting in the street, consistently representing the act and repition of illegally placing these pieces in public. Aesthetically and conceptually you can read different perspectives, but I appreciate his ability to use the street and the act of illegally placing his work consistently even he doesn't have to. There are far better and brighter artists but there is the rare original and real authentic thing, Invader is that. Yet that doesn't mean he is what you like, thats the beauty of today there are plenty of others who are also genuine and represent something important that you might like. I don't look into street art (or urban art) as anything more complex than it is. The below is my own opinion and probably many people will hate me for saying this but the fact is graffitti began as an illegal activity in the first place. There are just too many out there who are just riding the waves and making money by doing what is 'easy' and lucrative. Big money it isn't though but good enough. With the exception of Banksy, I doubt many urban artists, even Invader, will be remembered long after we are gone. And one of the most compelling reasons he does it better than most is his ability to hype his own existence, be controversial and, while doing that, create a celebrity status for himself. I'm not saying he is not talented - his unique talent lies in creative thinking imo - imagining and putting down images which people wouldn't normally think of. The images are usually simpleand very grassroots, but tha's probably why it brings about a deep emotion inside of the everyday man, making one go 'I didn't know a message can be expressed by using imagery like this!' I am not able to see that in Invader that easily. But would pure talent survive without hype? And without one of the most important element - luck? No. In fact, I think this thread should be renamed ''Hype? Real talent? Luck?' One cannot do without the other two these days An artist can have talent. But we have also seen so many technically proficient artists never getting the recognition they deserve. Hype (or marketing and branding as we shall call it in business terms) is then extremely important for throwing the name out under the radar at least. And whether one succeeds in a highly competitive and informative global environment these days is totally left to pure luck. Knowing or winning the support of the right people helps tremendously too. So far, only banksy and kaws (in street or urban art) has all three. Think your just highlighting your lack of knowledge here. Have a look at OS Gemeos for example. Not really a street artist but did do some street work Adam Neate or Connor Harrington to name a couple who will be around for a long while there are plenty. i would actually say Banksy made it with very little help or hype. The hype as you and ploppi like to call it to a certain extent happened after he had made it. Where is all the hype I actually see very little hype for Banksy, Invader, OS Gemeos, Connor Harrington etc the odd bit of promotion when doing a show etc but no great hype as it were. Banksy could be getting hype daily but he doesn't enter into it. I love the fact that you say its luck, hype knowing someone ......have you ever considered the better you are the luckier you get!!!
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Borf ๐บ๐ธ Washington DC Graffiti โข Rothko โข John Tsombikos, by johnnyh on Nov 12, 2014 19:39:39 GMT 1, On the subject of canvases and HarveyN. This is mine that I bought off Neil a short while ago
On the subject of canvases and HarveyN. This is mine that I bought off Neil a short while ago
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 12, 2014 15:21:07 GMT 1, OK... art history lesson... Andy Warhol's thing is to mass produce popular images. That's his concept and how he gets away with it. His studio was called the Factory because he didn't want it to be an emotional process. It had to be mass produced. So taking images of celebrities (including Mao) and creating art with them is part of his whole idea... Also, a lot of the celebrity photographs he did actually take himself! Banksy takes images and by adding other things to the scene, or changing the context, makes a statement... or sometimes just makes a silly joke. But he's used a particular image for a reason... to tell the story he wants to tell... not the same story as the original image. (Yeah, and some are dubious... but most aren't) These are both very different from taking a nice photograph, and adding paint splats or tags or other decoration for purely aesthetic reasons... I think Whatson probably does think he has a strong enough reason... that he's vandalising these pretty things... but I'm not sure it's that great a concept! Ha ha do agree their Happy I am not sure it's a great concept either. But it appears it is his concept. Which although not my cup of tea I don't see it is that different to others concepts other than its a different concept.
OK... art history lesson... Andy Warhol's thing is to mass produce popular images. That's his concept and how he gets away with it. His studio was called the Factory because he didn't want it to be an emotional process. It had to be mass produced. So taking images of celebrities (including Mao) and creating art with them is part of his whole idea... Also, a lot of the celebrity photographs he did actually take himself! Banksy takes images and by adding other things to the scene, or changing the context, makes a statement... or sometimes just makes a silly joke. But he's used a particular image for a reason... to tell the story he wants to tell... not the same story as the original image. (Yeah, and some are dubious... but most aren't) These are both very different from taking a nice photograph, and adding paint splats or tags or other decoration for purely aesthetic reasons... I think Whatson probably does think he has a strong enough reason... that he's vandalising these pretty things... but I'm not sure it's that great a concept! Ha ha do agree their Happy I am not sure it's a great concept either. But it appears it is his concept. Which although not my cup of tea I don't see it is that different to others concepts other than its a different concept.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 12, 2014 13:19:45 GMT 1, My mac mini has died, I need an ipad (3 I think?, thats ipad 3 not 3 ipads). I borrowed a pc and hate it. How much?. I would imagine about ยฃ350 check Curry's website for a base quote then shop around
note iPads crap in the rain but Macs very useful!!!!
PS If you want an MW one I can get you one in China???
My mac mini has died, I need an ipad (3 I think?, thats ipad 3 not 3 ipads). I borrowed a pc and hate it. How much?. I would imagine about ยฃ350 check Curry's website for a base quote then shop around note iPads crap in the rain but Macs very useful!!!! PS If you want an MW one I can get you one in China???
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 12, 2014 13:09:31 GMT 1, Lucky 7 Mao was an example from Warhol. There are tons of images he used that were not his. Both of people, companies, photos etc etc
Does a political message make a difference you may say yes others may say no. You seem to say but it's a Banksy like being a different artist means it's ok. Lots of Banksy images like the praying boy etc are not his so flags is just an example so you discounting it by saying that's why its not popular misses the point and is just daft
You give reasons for why you think it is ok but for example if either the photo of flags or the praying boy do you think they think it's ok. Mao was living when Warhol did that sure Mao disagreed etc as did lots of people who Warhol used their images. So not sure there is a technical difference at all.
Re Murrke no there isn't a difference Warhol used lots of images without permission. Similarly Banksy has. It's the same apart from copyright law but all three have broken copyright law at different times. You could say the opposite. Warhol derided members of State, used companies logo's and brands etc. MW at worst brought some ones malls art work to attention by a me ding it. The artist may. Also now get a royalty etc. so the size of someone's Art work makes no difference the fault etc is the same. I am not saying zi agree with it just that it is common practice for stencil artists to use others images to create stencils and similarly in general they rarely make their own.
Lucky 7 Mao was an example from Warhol. There are tons of images he used that were not his. Both of people, companies, photos etc etc
Does a political message make a difference you may say yes others may say no. You seem to say but it's a Banksy like being a different artist means it's ok. Lots of Banksy images like the praying boy etc are not his so flags is just an example so you discounting it by saying that's why its not popular misses the point and is just daft
You give reasons for why you think it is ok but for example if either the photo of flags or the praying boy do you think they think it's ok. Mao was living when Warhol did that sure Mao disagreed etc as did lots of people who Warhol used their images. So not sure there is a technical difference at all.
Re Murrke no there isn't a difference Warhol used lots of images without permission. Similarly Banksy has. It's the same apart from copyright law but all three have broken copyright law at different times. You could say the opposite. Warhol derided members of State, used companies logo's and brands etc. MW at worst brought some ones malls art work to attention by a me ding it. The artist may. Also now get a royalty etc. so the size of someone's Art work makes no difference the fault etc is the same. I am not saying zi agree with it just that it is common practice for stencil artists to use others images to create stencils and similarly in general they rarely make their own.
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Banksy โข Napalm Print, by johnnyh on Nov 12, 2014 9:15:43 GMT 1, Fed's even offering his wife. Comes with her own rare blood as well.
Got to be worth a Napalm.
Mind if she reads this reckon Fed could be in trouble!!!
Fed's even offering his wife. Comes with her own rare blood as well.
Got to be worth a Napalm.
Mind if she reads this reckon Fed could be in trouble!!!
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 12, 2014 9:09:09 GMT 1, That's right Andy. Think the point being that they tweaked etc but they did not actually create the image which seems for many on here to be the bug bear with MW. Point being regardless of right or wrong talent or no talent most stencil artists do not create the original image or images they create the work out of.
The big question I suppose is does he do enough to the image to make the work his. Considering the amount of comments on his boring senseless tagging. I suppose he does as most people are drawn to the tagging on the image which is his thing regardless of whether you like it or not.
That's right Andy. Think the point being that they tweaked etc but they did not actually create the image which seems for many on here to be the bug bear with MW. Point being regardless of right or wrong talent or no talent most stencil artists do not create the original image or images they create the work out of.
The big question I suppose is does he do enough to the image to make the work his. Considering the amount of comments on his boring senseless tagging. I suppose he does as most people are drawn to the tagging on the image which is his thing regardless of whether you like it or not.
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Visit SHANGHAI ๐จ๐ณ China Street Art, Galleries, Events, by johnnyh on Nov 12, 2014 8:55:03 GMT 1, Mac, Feral and Graff yep not much on the street do see some but very little
Main reasons are that the Government would be pretty tight on any thing that would be seen as anti state etc. so it would be regarded as more than Graffitti so very tough and also not really a Chinese thing particularly for your standard youth. Very rigorous studying etc goes on.
You do see some though but mainly like this in the Art areas such as 798 in Beijing and Redtory in Guangzhou which have been done by both internationals and locals. It's definately growing though as people travel and Urban Art becomes bigger plus you see these areas developing
Did a couple of threads showing pics of stuff. The Beijing art area 798 used to be great it's now quite commercial and lots of little shops and cafes eg business is pushing the small galleries out which is a shame. The Guangzhou one is quite nice but little really happening
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Mac, Feral and Graff yep not much on the street do see some but very little Main reasons are that the Government would be pretty tight on any thing that would be seen as anti state etc. so it would be regarded as more than Graffitti so very tough and also not really a Chinese thing particularly for your standard youth. Very rigorous studying etc goes on. You do see some though but mainly like this in the Art areas such as 798 in Beijing and Redtory in Guangzhou which have been done by both internationals and locals. It's definately growing though as people travel and Urban Art becomes bigger plus you see these areas developing Did a couple of threads showing pics of stuff. The Beijing art area 798 used to be great it's now quite commercial and lots of little shops and cafes eg business is pushing the small galleries out which is a shame. The Guangzhou one is quite nice but little really happening urbanartassociation.com/thread/117435/beijing-urban-street-art-graffitiurbanartassociation.com/thread/114936/guangzhou-china-graff
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 12, 2014 7:52:57 GMT 1, Think your failing to understand Wahol there fella. But are you saying because it has irony it is ok. Did his jfk portrait have irony. Did the queens portraits etc have irony. Did his Marilyn portrait ? Did Debbie Zharry the list is endless.
Same with Banksy and not knocking his work but most of the stencils are taken from else where this is just ne quite exactly the same example. Is putting a flag in different
Does MW tags have to have a meaning to make it ok. Are you saying that if they did have a meaning it would be ok. If you forget who each artist is what's the difference?
Think your failing to understand Wahol there fella. But are you saying because it has irony it is ok. Did his jfk portrait have irony. Did the queens portraits etc have irony. Did his Marilyn portrait ? Did Debbie Zharry the list is endless.
Same with Banksy and not knocking his work but most of the stencils are taken from else where this is just ne quite exactly the same example. Is putting a flag in different
Does MW tags have to have a meaning to make it ok. Are you saying that if they did have a meaning it would be ok. If you forget who each artist is what's the difference?
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 12, 2014 3:31:04 GMT 1, I understand the Robbie Williams bit. but why do you think the use of someone else image. Eg not creating the image is different between Banksy and Whatson.? him say being lazy and formulaic is irrelevant to the argument as it were that just about whether you like or not. Like you zi don't actually. but I do fail to see the difference between him and Banksy in that they are using someone else's image. Aside from the fact that zi think Banksy's work is better but again that is irrelevant I'm not really sure it's worth arguing Banksy versus Martin Whatson - as I've said previously I don't think they belong in the same sentence. And if one has ANY understanding of art history, which they teach in schools but can also be found on the internet or in books in the library, how Warhol, Banksy and others in their league appropriate and use images to make grander statements, particularly about the commoditization of the human condition, is much easier to understand. At no level does Whatson create a conversation with his work. At no level. No conversation. And yet a statement, or starting a conversation, is what virtually every artist aims to do. It's that simple. Doesn't mean it's uncool for him to have fans. Just don't make him out to be more relevant and meaningful than he is. Eh I hav never said MW is in Banksy's class. I have also said I don't collect his work although I have an early eternal reflection. I don't support plagiarism but do accept that most stencil artists don't create the original source of their stencils. I'm just trying to work out how you judge appropriating an image. What are the rules with the exception of copyright. Or does it depend on which artists you believe should be in the same sentence? Cause I and not sure that's good reasoning. Also does creating a conversation make a good enough technical difference. I don't think so
eg Is Wharhol's Mao not a good piece of Art pretty sure it was in your art history books? He just took the standard pic of Mao used by the Chinese made it diff colors and whacked a few squiggles on it. so as you have studied so much art history can you tell me how you differentiate and the process technically.
Now I obviously am not as clever as you and have never read art history so may be you can explain technically the difference for us un educated members.
ps. Although I'm uneducated in art history.....I am gonna go out on a limb here and work on the assumption that Mao did not pose for either the photo or a painting to create the screen. But sure you will be able to correct me. Picked these pics up in Art History for Dummies which I assume you have read.
i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n617/johnnyh2/6c7807f20c519436a6a58c3d8581ad96.jpg
I'm struggling here and it needs a clever person like you to help???
Recognize this from anywhere??
So it's not that uncommon a practice in stencil art. In neither of the above pieces do Warhol or Banksy add more to the piece than Whatson did or didn't technically so please as mentioned explain the difference.
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I understand the Robbie Williams bit. but why do you think the use of someone else image. Eg not creating the image is different between Banksy and Whatson.? him say being lazy and formulaic is irrelevant to the argument as it were that just about whether you like or not. Like you zi don't actually. but I do fail to see the difference between him and Banksy in that they are using someone else's image. Aside from the fact that zi think Banksy's work is better but again that is irrelevant I'm not really sure it's worth arguing Banksy versus Martin Whatson - as I've said previously I don't think they belong in the same sentence. And if one has ANY understanding of art history, which they teach in schools but can also be found on the internet or in books in the library, how Warhol, Banksy and others in their league appropriate and use images to make grander statements, particularly about the commoditization of the human condition, is much easier to understand. At no level does Whatson create a conversation with his work. At no level. No conversation. And yet a statement, or starting a conversation, is what virtually every artist aims to do. It's that simple. Doesn't mean it's uncool for him to have fans. Just don't make him out to be more relevant and meaningful than he is. Eh I hav never said MW is in Banksy's class. I have also said I don't collect his work although I have an early eternal reflection. I don't support plagiarism but do accept that most stencil artists don't create the original source of their stencils. I'm just trying to work out how you judge appropriating an image. What are the rules with the exception of copyright. Or does it depend on which artists you believe should be in the same sentence? Cause I and not sure that's good reasoning. Also does creating a conversation make a good enough technical difference. I don't think so eg Is Wharhol's Mao not a good piece of Art pretty sure it was in your art history books? He just took the standard pic of Mao used by the Chinese made it diff colors and whacked a few squiggles on it. so as you have studied so much art history can you tell me how you differentiate and the process technically. Now I obviously am not as clever as you and have never read art history so may be you can explain technically the difference for us un educated members. ps. Although I'm uneducated in art history.....I am gonna go out on a limb here and work on the assumption that Mao did not pose for either the photo or a painting to create the screen. But sure you will be able to correct me. Picked these pics up in Art History for Dummies which I assume you have read. i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n617/johnnyh2/6c7807f20c519436a6a58c3d8581ad96.jpgI'm struggling here and it needs a clever person like you to help??? Recognize this from anywhere?? So it's not that uncommon a practice in stencil art. In neither of the above pieces do Warhol or Banksy add more to the piece than Whatson did or didn't technically so please as mentioned explain the difference. Sent from my iPad
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 11, 2014 15:50:33 GMT 1, So what stencil art have you bought where the stencil artist created the stencil...be interested to know?
So what stencil art have you bought where the stencil artist created the stencil...be interested to know?
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Banksy โข Napalm Print, by johnnyh on Nov 11, 2014 15:22:45 GMT 1, Ha ha do like that...I have a spare......
"Just in case ..well you know how it is!!"
Ha ha do like that...I have a spare......
"Just in case ..well you know how it is!!"
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 11, 2014 15:20:41 GMT 1, Very well put Fed. May be a few jealous how many pics he sells as well.
Very well put Fed. May be a few jealous how many pics he sells as well.
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System Failure by AP | Atom Gallery | 20.11 - 6.12.14, by johnnyh on Nov 11, 2014 14:42:37 GMT 1, Great stuff AP make sure you send me the PDF. Looking forward to seeing the work and pics of the show.
Cherrs
Great stuff AP make sure you send me the PDF. Looking forward to seeing the work and pics of the show.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 11, 2014 14:29:56 GMT 1, Murrke03 that's a good read cheers. American law of course.
Likewise Tagz reckon it will be a while before Graff Prints say anything here. Pretty sure they will be looking for ways out. Regardless of what people say here it is by no means a clear cut case. Jurisdiction will be important and which law. Eg UK law is slightly different to European copyright law. Martin is not based in UK so European law needs to be considered either now or in the future. There are exemptions from art copyright that include a Pastiche and appropriation either of which may create a get out or enough of one for a deal to be done. So legally still grey I would say. So I would imagine it will be settled so probably a few letters and a few deals, few threats etc to be done before it is. I doubt GP will say a word about it till the deal is done
Murrke03 that's a good read cheers. American law of course.
Likewise Tagz reckon it will be a while before Graff Prints say anything here. Pretty sure they will be looking for ways out. Regardless of what people say here it is by no means a clear cut case. Jurisdiction will be important and which law. Eg UK law is slightly different to European copyright law. Martin is not based in UK so European law needs to be considered either now or in the future. There are exemptions from art copyright that include a Pastiche and appropriation either of which may create a get out or enough of one for a deal to be done. So legally still grey I would say. So I would imagine it will be settled so probably a few letters and a few deals, few threats etc to be done before it is. I doubt GP will say a word about it till the deal is done
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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 11, 2014 11:05:42 GMT 1, Very nicely put sir.
Think I'm gonna have a cup of tea a ginger snap and read that again
Reckon that post in more than one way highlights the difference between hype and real talent!!!
Very nicely put sir.
Think I'm gonna have a cup of tea a ginger snap and read that again
Reckon that post in more than one way highlights the difference between hype and real talent!!!
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All HYPE or REAL talent?, by johnnyh on Nov 11, 2014 9:06:34 GMT 1, I love Tommy's work he is producing some of the best stuff out there.
Definitely gonna be big I would say. Really worth investing in a piece particularly while they are still affordable. There aren't many around so there pretty hard to get. I have an amazing commission that he did for me.
But promised not to show it before his new show. If you get the chance to order before the show do it as I reckon all will sell out before it opens
I love Tommy's work he is producing some of the best stuff out there.
Definitely gonna be big I would say. Really worth investing in a piece particularly while they are still affordable. There aren't many around so there pretty hard to get. I have an amazing commission that he did for me.
But promised not to show it before his new show. If you get the chance to order before the show do it as I reckon all will sell out before it opens
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Whatson, by johnnyh on Nov 11, 2014 7:44:49 GMT 1, Errrr not sure the point Hairbland. There are plenty of daft comments on both ....in fact think you just added to them!! So well done!!...I appreciate the support but not needed
Errrr not sure the point Hairbland. There are plenty of daft comments on both ....in fact think you just added to them!! So well done!!...I appreciate the support but not needed
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 11, 2014 6:05:45 GMT 1, Interesting albeit flawed reasoning. If Robbie Williams covers a somewhat obscure song that goes on to be #1 in most countries and he wins a Brit Award does that make it ok for him to pretend it's his and that he wrote it, after all it was the bigger hit. In my opinion anyone defending Whatson by way of Banksy doesn't get the very thing they are into. And as to Fairey he got into trouble not for using the image but his b*lls-less attempt to cover up his usage...for lying essentially. Peeps are down on Whatson because his work seems lazy and formulaic. His lazy theft adds to it. I understand the Robbie Williams bit. but why do you think the use of someone else image. Eg not creating the image is different between Banksy and Whatson.? him say being lazy and formulaic is irrelevant to the argument as it were that just about whether you like or not. Like you zi don't actually. but I do fail to see the difference between him and Banksy in that they are using someone else's image. Aside from the fact that zi think Banksy's work is better but again that is irrelevant
Interesting albeit flawed reasoning. If Robbie Williams covers a somewhat obscure song that goes on to be #1 in most countries and he wins a Brit Award does that make it ok for him to pretend it's his and that he wrote it, after all it was the bigger hit. In my opinion anyone defending Whatson by way of Banksy doesn't get the very thing they are into. And as to Fairey he got into trouble not for using the image but his b*lls-less attempt to cover up his usage...for lying essentially. Peeps are down on Whatson because his work seems lazy and formulaic. His lazy theft adds to it. I understand the Robbie Williams bit. but why do you think the use of someone else image. Eg not creating the image is different between Banksy and Whatson.? him say being lazy and formulaic is irrelevant to the argument as it were that just about whether you like or not. Like you zi don't actually. but I do fail to see the difference between him and Banksy in that they are using someone else's image. Aside from the fact that zi think Banksy's work is better but again that is irrelevant
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Blu ๐ฎ๐น Bologna Street Art โข Print Release โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 22:42:53 GMT 1, Brilliant what a stunning piece just love the pigs superb
Cheers Il Conte
Brilliant what a stunning piece just love the pigs superb
Cheers Il Conte
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Blu ๐ฎ๐น Bologna Street Art โข Print Release โข Art For Sale, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 22:39:22 GMT 1, That's excellent cheers for the pics il Conte
That's excellent cheers for the pics il Conte
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