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Whatson, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 22:10:34 GMT 1, As said on that other daft thread. Good to see him doing well. He was a good member on here long before many of those who are slagging him off.
He does his thing good luck to him
As said on that other daft thread. Good to see him doing well. He was a good member on here long before many of those who are slagging him off.
He does his thing good luck to him
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What is portable broadband and what do i need?, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 20:42:50 GMT 1, Ha ha no idea what they call it but it is good. I know bt do one as my bro uses one as he does a lot of data stuff so has it in case on of his connections goes down or is travelling. So you could also check with who does your internet or a computer supplies type shop and bring the pics. Sorry can't be more helpful but this ones from China and no idea what there called.
Ha ha no idea what they call it but it is good. I know bt do one as my bro uses one as he does a lot of data stuff so has it in case on of his connections goes down or is travelling. So you could also check with who does your internet or a computer supplies type shop and bring the pics. Sorry can't be more helpful but this ones from China and no idea what there called.
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What is portable broadband and what do i need?, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 20:26:53 GMT 1,
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What is portable broadband and what do i need?, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 20:23:16 GMT 1, What you actually want is one of these.
Works better than a phone by miles as you just buy data no call time etc. works really well. I use at my mum and dads and travelling all over the world etc. You can just buy a SIM card stick it in and it will pick up a signal.
Not sure where you get them in the UK but you can get the data sims easily. We use this all the time your Ipad and comp just pick it up in wireless as a data link.
What you actually want is one of these. Works better than a phone by miles as you just buy data no call time etc. works really well. I use at my mum and dads and travelling all over the world etc. You can just buy a SIM card stick it in and it will pick up a signal. Not sure where you get them in the UK but you can get the data sims easily. We use this all the time your Ipad and comp just pick it up in wireless as a data link.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 18:49:20 GMT 1, Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe you only have have to change 20% of something that is copyrighted to make it yours. My pleasure.....Your wrong!!! It just don't work that way. Different countries also have different definitions etc but there is no flat percentage's
Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe you only have have to change 20% of something that is copyrighted to make it yours. My pleasure.....Your wrong!!! It just don't work that way. Different countries also have different definitions etc but there is no flat percentage's
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PRICE CHECK - Silver Flags, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 17:48:22 GMT 1, I would doubt you would get one for under 2k these days in top condition. If you find one I suggest you buy it.
I would doubt you would get one for under 2k these days in top condition. If you find one I suggest you buy it.
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Roy's People - signed and numbered prints, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 17:45:35 GMT 1, Their quite nice mate Glws
Their quite nice mate Glws
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 17:44:04 GMT 1, When I want reply to your posts I'll quote you. I was replying to Sam's post. I said you and Sam like to gloat tour last post kinda proves I was correct....."see Johnny" Nothing I can do. You believe only what you choose to believe. Yawn... To bed. Night Very true and I do believe your an idiot!!!
When I want reply to your posts I'll quote you. I was replying to Sam's post. I said you and Sam like to gloat tour last post kinda proves I was correct....."see Johnny" Nothing I can do. You believe only what you choose to believe. Yawn... To bed. Night Very true and I do believe your an idiot!!!
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 13:39:16 GMT 1, Of course many artists steal images to create stencils. The difference is using an image to say something that wasn't intended in the original image. See johnny? That's what we both agree on. Anyway, since when did liking a post mean I have to always agree to everything said there??? When I want reply to your posts I'll quote you. I was replying to Sam's post. I said you and Sam like to gloat tour last post kinda proves I was correct....."see Johnny"
Of course many artists steal images to create stencils. The difference is using an image to say something that wasn't intended in the original image. See johnny? That's what we both agree on. Anyway, since when did liking a post mean I have to always agree to everything said there??? When I want reply to your posts I'll quote you. I was replying to Sam's post. I said you and Sam like to gloat tour last post kinda proves I was correct....."see Johnny"
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Mr.Brainwash sues Life is Beautiful Festival, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 9:41:38 GMT 1, He he all litigation on here these days. Reckon he will lose that one....I think but you never know...mad mad mad. His career is based on using images of others then starts litigation ....brilliant
He he all litigation on here these days. Reckon he will lose that one....I think but you never know...mad mad mad. His career is based on using images of others then starts litigation ....brilliant
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 8:43:02 GMT 1, Natsan
Why will it be harder he just needs to find stencils that are not copyright protected or get permission.
Career troubles I actually quoted Sam Frosts post which you had clicked like to so one would assume you agreed with it.
On the contrary I have stated a few time throughout the thread I disagree with using other people's work, I also do not like the tag thing he does etc.
Think it's fair to say that most stencil artists do not create the image in the stencil. Does using two peoples artworks to create two stencils and putting them together to give a different meaning create something unique or is it twice the abuse etc. likewise does using another's image with or without permission make any difference to the artwork.
eg If Martin had permission would it make any difference. Note it is also not clear yet whether he did or he did not have permission. only CY who says she represents the artist says he did not. Cy could be fake the stencil may have been made from a photo that was on a free to use site etc so there are a number of things still not very clear here. similarly even if all the above is true and it was without permission it may be settled for say eg ยฃ1 a print etc in which case no issue. so as said earlier not sure it's correct to jump to too many conclusions and two I do not think there is actually much issue as stencil artists use stencils. bit like Banksy copied the praying boy from Rene G mmm no he didn't they both nicked it from someone's photo.
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Why will it be harder he just needs to find stencils that are not copyright protected or get permission.
Career troubles I actually quoted Sam Frosts post which you had clicked like to so one would assume you agreed with it.
On the contrary I have stated a few time throughout the thread I disagree with using other people's work, I also do not like the tag thing he does etc.
Think it's fair to say that most stencil artists do not create the image in the stencil. Does using two peoples artworks to create two stencils and putting them together to give a different meaning create something unique or is it twice the abuse etc. likewise does using another's image with or without permission make any difference to the artwork.
eg If Martin had permission would it make any difference. Note it is also not clear yet whether he did or he did not have permission. only CY who says she represents the artist says he did not. Cy could be fake the stencil may have been made from a photo that was on a free to use site etc so there are a number of things still not very clear here. similarly even if all the above is true and it was without permission it may be settled for say eg ยฃ1 a print etc in which case no issue. so as said earlier not sure it's correct to jump to too many conclusions and two I do not think there is actually much issue as stencil artists use stencils. bit like Banksy copied the praying boy from Rene G mmm no he didn't they both nicked it from someone's photo.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 7:03:32 GMT 1, Fuckin hell next people will be spraying on other peoples walls without permission.
Fuckin hell next people will be spraying on other peoples walls without permission.
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Interior Design, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 6:06:55 GMT 1, That looks really interesting standard das. Will keep an eye on it and go through in more detail
Cheers johnny
That looks really interesting standard das. Will keep an eye on it and go through in more detail
Cheers johnny
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 10, 2014 5:22:16 GMT 1, Quite a rapid set of developments. First, MW fans went into denial, then rationalization and now ignoring blatant copyright violations as "art". Next step will be "I love it, still keeping it on my wall". Unfortunately, this certainly can't help MW's future...just another lesson to be careful when evaluating an artist. I am sure that MW is a nice chap, however I have failed to observe exactly what is so mind-blowing about a few squiggles on stock images?!? Sad to see so many people flush money down the drain on crap art. Dear dear me!!!
Must say at this point I do not have or particularly like any of the tagging stuff and don't own any etc just an ER canvas You and Natsan do like to gloat don't you?
like its a big end etc. this is nothing ---the worst that will happen is that Martin will need to pay a slice of what he earned. The pieces are the same they have the same value whether he had permission or not. i would be very surprised if anyone thought he free drew the dancer etc. just as I never thought he photographed the space man. likewise never thought Banksy took the photo's he makes his stencils from etc. its not a criminal offense it's a copyright issue/ infringement at best. Likewise did not see anyone stop using their apple or Samsung Phones due to their copyright violations on each other.
so yes it's a bit wrong but not much to be honest. The piece became his piece based on the tagging and look etc it uses the same image in that he took his stencil but it is not an exact replica. So I assume he will just carry on exactly as before but either create his own, use unprotected images or gain permission etc
then em that's it really
If Ryoung contacts them then something will be either agreed or not agreed. May be legal etc it will go one way or another. But it's a percentage of the profit....that's it nothing more nothing less
Quite a rapid set of developments. First, MW fans went into denial, then rationalization and now ignoring blatant copyright violations as "art". Next step will be "I love it, still keeping it on my wall". Unfortunately, this certainly can't help MW's future...just another lesson to be careful when evaluating an artist. I am sure that MW is a nice chap, however I have failed to observe exactly what is so mind-blowing about a few squiggles on stock images?!? Sad to see so many people flush money down the drain on crap art. Dear dear me!!! Must say at this point I do not have or particularly like any of the tagging stuff and don't own any etc just an ER canvas You and Natsan do like to gloat don't you? like its a big end etc. this is nothing ---the worst that will happen is that Martin will need to pay a slice of what he earned. The pieces are the same they have the same value whether he had permission or not. i would be very surprised if anyone thought he free drew the dancer etc. just as I never thought he photographed the space man. likewise never thought Banksy took the photo's he makes his stencils from etc. its not a criminal offense it's a copyright issue/ infringement at best. Likewise did not see anyone stop using their apple or Samsung Phones due to their copyright violations on each other. so yes it's a bit wrong but not much to be honest. The piece became his piece based on the tagging and look etc it uses the same image in that he took his stencil but it is not an exact replica. So I assume he will just carry on exactly as before but either create his own, use unprotected images or gain permission etc then em that's it really If Ryoung contacts them then something will be either agreed or not agreed. May be legal etc it will go one way or another. But it's a percentage of the profit....that's it nothing more nothing less
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Borf ๐บ๐ธ Washington DC Graffiti โข Rothko โข John Tsombikos, by johnnyh on Nov 9, 2014 18:48:43 GMT 1, Well spotted Searchandrescue likewise Aza well done really nice
Well spotted Searchandrescue likewise Aza well done really nice
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 9, 2014 16:51:10 GMT 1, Yep agree hxfour think it was wrong for someone to maliciously email however that doesn't make Martin any less guilty. No idea on which was used as not really looked and have not seen the photo's etc.
But not sure we should be holding a hanging just yet think should at least give Graff prints the chance to comment etc first. Eg could be they got them from a site that was royalty free etc so do think we should just slow down a little bit then see.
Also breaking copyright is not the greatest crime in the world. Pretty much all stencils come from a photo etc
So let's just let it play out I think. Although personally I think using someone else's work is quite wrong
Yep agree hxfour think it was wrong for someone to maliciously email however that doesn't make Martin any less guilty. No idea on which was used as not really looked and have not seen the photo's etc.
But not sure we should be holding a hanging just yet think should at least give Graff prints the chance to comment etc first. Eg could be they got them from a site that was royalty free etc so do think we should just slow down a little bit then see.
Also breaking copyright is not the greatest crime in the world. Pretty much all stencils come from a photo etc
So let's just let it play out I think. Although personally I think using someone else's work is quite wrong
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 9, 2014 16:37:20 GMT 1, DrPlip martin has a couple of dancer pieces so I suppose it's all the same source either this artist or the photographer
DrPlip martin has a couple of dancer pieces so I suppose it's all the same source either this artist or the photographer
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 9, 2014 16:35:05 GMT 1, Haha I'm not a troll, I don't know how dad saw this forum, he sent me the link, but don't worry I don't think it was anyone from here that sent it. I think he stumbled upon it when he found Martins paintings.. I only joined a few days ago to comment on this thread (as lame as that sounds haha) As I figured. anyone who owns a business or website checks traffic or gets stats and im sure there was a spike in unique views. When you see that you wonder what the source was, and it would lead straight to this thread. I didnt realize it was numerous pieces, that sucks and could hurt. I would very much doubt his dad is reading a daily website traffic report!! or watching urban art threads....I would expect he reads his email though from the site. So would pretty much expect someone sent them the images and that where it picked up from and why CY ended up here. whats not known yet and maybe Graffitti Prints can comment on where Martin created the stencil from as CY mentioned as does the artists site the photographer Barrett. Do one assumes dad painted the piece from a photo so interesting which the stencil came from eg Matins may also be a copy of the photo.
no idea but would be interested to hear Graff Prints point on this...very quiet for some one vocal on the thread recently!!
Haha I'm not a troll, I don't know how dad saw this forum, he sent me the link, but don't worry I don't think it was anyone from here that sent it. I think he stumbled upon it when he found Martins paintings.. I only joined a few days ago to comment on this thread (as lame as that sounds haha) As I figured. anyone who owns a business or website checks traffic or gets stats and im sure there was a spike in unique views. When you see that you wonder what the source was, and it would lead straight to this thread. I didnt realize it was numerous pieces, that sucks and could hurt. I would very much doubt his dad is reading a daily website traffic report!! or watching urban art threads....I would expect he reads his email though from the site. So would pretty much expect someone sent them the images and that where it picked up from and why CY ended up here. whats not known yet and maybe Graffitti Prints can comment on where Martin created the stencil from as CY mentioned as does the artists site the photographer Barrett. Do one assumes dad painted the piece from a photo so interesting which the stencil came from eg Matins may also be a copy of the photo. no idea but would be interested to hear Graff Prints point on this...very quiet for some one vocal on the thread recently!!
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Visit LONDON ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ Street Art, Galleries, Events, by johnnyh on Nov 9, 2014 13:46:02 GMT 1, Great work Dibbs. Cracking pics
Great work Dibbs. Cracking pics
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Borf ๐บ๐ธ Washington DC Graffiti โข Rothko โข John Tsombikos, by johnnyh on Nov 9, 2014 13:16:14 GMT 1, Must say this is the first Rothko street piece I have seen would be interested to see others if any one has seen or has any. Seen his Borf tags before but not the Rothko pieces
Must say this is the first Rothko street piece I have seen would be interested to see others if any one has seen or has any. Seen his Borf tags before but not the Rothko pieces
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Challet Maid/chef, by johnnyh on Nov 9, 2014 12:49:53 GMT 1, The other thing they learn of course is to say
"Thankyou"
Although often forgotten these days...good manners are always useful
The other thing they learn of course is to say
"Thankyou"
Although often forgotten these days...good manners are always useful
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 9, 2014 12:36:15 GMT 1, Sounds like someone off here sent him an email Drplip.
Well we should have our answers to the copyright discussion shortly I suppose.
Mentions the photographer so will be interesting to see if he took his stencil from the painting or a photo and where it came from etc.
Sounds like someone off here sent him an email Drplip.
Well we should have our answers to the copyright discussion shortly I suppose.
Mentions the photographer so will be interesting to see if he took his stencil from the painting or a photo and where it came from etc.
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Borf ๐บ๐ธ Washington DC Graffiti โข Rothko โข John Tsombikos, by johnnyh on Nov 9, 2014 5:21:15 GMT 1, Yep thaTs very nice
Cheers
Yep thaTs very nice
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David Walker 'A Blank Canvas is a White Flag' solo show, by johnnyh on Nov 9, 2014 5:13:46 GMT 1, Won't be going but will be really interested to see the work and photos of the show I like his style and will definitely be going, I'll take photos and put them up on here. Cheers Nicey much appreciated look forward to seeing those.
pretty sure regular forum snapper Mikey Dread will be there as well taking a few so should be good.
Won't be going but will be really interested to see the work and photos of the show I like his style and will definitely be going, I'll take photos and put them up on here. Cheers Nicey much appreciated look forward to seeing those. pretty sure regular forum snapper Mikey Dread will be there as well taking a few so should be good.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 8, 2014 17:49:08 GMT 1, Don't want to upset your timelines but the UK had mail back in 1516 making it electronic 400 years later not necessarily the greatest achievement
Don't want to upset your timelines but the UK had mail back in 1516 making it electronic 400 years later not necessarily the greatest achievement
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 8, 2014 17:31:01 GMT 1, Which brings me back to my point - what did that second copy version did which the original piece didn't achieve? No actually your point was that the copyright law was black and white. Obviously it isn't because if you read the article where the photo comes from they are discussing whether it plagiarism or not. Eg the copy right law in not black and white at all. Similarly different jurisdictions have different interpretations of and different criteria on copyright law.
Which brings me back to my point - what did that second copy version did which the original piece didn't achieve? No actually your point was that the copyright law was black and white. Obviously it isn't because if you read the article where the photo comes from they are discussing whether it plagiarism or not. Eg the copy right law in not black and white at all. Similarly different jurisdictions have different interpretations of and different criteria on copyright law.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 8, 2014 16:33:06 GMT 1, Your absolutely correct Mutatis on UK law it is a lot simpler and cleaner in my view but still as you say open to a lot of interpretation. Tis quite fascinating really...in a sad way
Cheers
Your absolutely correct Mutatis on UK law it is a lot simpler and cleaner in my view but still as you say open to a lot of interpretation. Tis quite fascinating really...in a sad way
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 8, 2014 15:46:47 GMT 1, Generally in the art world people can't afford to care. To global a market and infringement is difficult to police and to chase up etc. lawyers, bills etc and you would probably Winn little in compensation etc. Music on the other hand is ran by corporations and music publishing houses.....they have lawyers and legal departments coming out of their ears. Also the people infringing are either no bodies in which case they watch and care little or they are signed to another large publishing house or a large record label who have s**t loads of money and can pay big sums for any copyright infringements that they make. So as usual is controlled by economics as opposed to right and wrong. Ps Rene's problem was probably the fact that he knicked it from someone else!!!! Agreed in part. Copyright is and always has been about economics, regardless of creative field. It is an economic right. Suing on a point of principle for an individual at least, whilst noble, will leave you out of pocket. The situation that you refer to in the music industry, is increasingly becoming mirrored in the "art world" as huge media corporations increasingly acquire content (images). I don't know how true it is that artists cannot afford to care. There becomes a point where it makes economic sense to enforce ones strict legal rights. Whilst understanding the nuances of UK copyright law is helpful, a litigation culture of no win no fee, more ready access to justice through the IP Enterprise Court and DACS the rights' management organisation - artists should they be inclined, have options. Of course you have to do a cost (not just financial)/benefit analysis and assess the merits of success. Some artists simply do not care, to some the legal system is anathema, whilst others are worried about reputation management. There might even be an unwritten code of conduct between certain types of artists. Bottom line is, it is hard to generalise about individual artists and their motivations. The handful of artistic copyright cases that reach the news or the courts are the tip of the iceberg, there are thousands of matters which are discretely being settled away from any publicity. Agree with a lot of the above however the key point is that much of the art world involves different artists in different legal jurisdictions which makes the no win no fee type scenario out the window unless there is big bucks involved. Similarly what a lot of people as mentioned see as a simple it is or it isn't is often not the case as open to interpretation. Lawyers will as you say be involved at the big end of the art world but in most cases particularly looking at urban street etc these artists are not in that game. Most common practice to settle are cease and desist letters. Similarly these in general are short term hits small print run etc etc likewise these are generally hard cases to prove
Generally in the art world people can't afford to care. To global a market and infringement is difficult to police and to chase up etc. lawyers, bills etc and you would probably Winn little in compensation etc. Music on the other hand is ran by corporations and music publishing houses.....they have lawyers and legal departments coming out of their ears. Also the people infringing are either no bodies in which case they watch and care little or they are signed to another large publishing house or a large record label who have s**t loads of money and can pay big sums for any copyright infringements that they make. So as usual is controlled by economics as opposed to right and wrong. Ps Rene's problem was probably the fact that he knicked it from someone else!!!! Agreed in part. Copyright is and always has been about economics, regardless of creative field. It is an economic right. Suing on a point of principle for an individual at least, whilst noble, will leave you out of pocket. The situation that you refer to in the music industry, is increasingly becoming mirrored in the "art world" as huge media corporations increasingly acquire content (images). I don't know how true it is that artists cannot afford to care. There becomes a point where it makes economic sense to enforce ones strict legal rights. Whilst understanding the nuances of UK copyright law is helpful, a litigation culture of no win no fee, more ready access to justice through the IP Enterprise Court and DACS the rights' management organisation - artists should they be inclined, have options. Of course you have to do a cost (not just financial)/benefit analysis and assess the merits of success. Some artists simply do not care, to some the legal system is anathema, whilst others are worried about reputation management. There might even be an unwritten code of conduct between certain types of artists. Bottom line is, it is hard to generalise about individual artists and their motivations. The handful of artistic copyright cases that reach the news or the courts are the tip of the iceberg, there are thousands of matters which are discretely being settled away from any publicity. Agree with a lot of the above however the key point is that much of the art world involves different artists in different legal jurisdictions which makes the no win no fee type scenario out the window unless there is big bucks involved. Similarly what a lot of people as mentioned see as a simple it is or it isn't is often not the case as open to interpretation. Lawyers will as you say be involved at the big end of the art world but in most cases particularly looking at urban street etc these artists are not in that game. Most common practice to settle are cease and desist letters. Similarly these in general are short term hits small print run etc etc likewise these are generally hard cases to prove
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by johnnyh on Nov 8, 2014 15:34:52 GMT 1, Sorry Natsan but that is completely wrong...it is a big mistake to think the copy right law is simply it is or it isn't. Sorry but the law does not work that way it's all about interpretation and who is interpreting.
there is a Swiss case of plagiarism on Artnet news at the moment. Some say a blatant copy other say appropriation
Concerns these two pieces here
It it is a serious issue that does affect artists both ways but also people should have an understanding. It's an interesting discussion that is not just about MW. Looking at the above it looks obvious but when you read the article it is not as cut and dry as you think
as mentioned I would hazard a guess that legally he would probably win a legal case on copyright .
Sorry Natsan but that is completely wrong...it is a big mistake to think the copy right law is simply it is or it isn't. Sorry but the law does not work that way it's all about interpretation and who is interpreting. there is a Swiss case of plagiarism on Artnet news at the moment. Some say a blatant copy other say appropriation Concerns these two pieces here It it is a serious issue that does affect artists both ways but also people should have an understanding. It's an interesting discussion that is not just about MW. Looking at the above it looks obvious but when you read the article it is not as cut and dry as you think as mentioned I would hazard a guess that legally he would probably win a legal case on copyright .
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johnnyh
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Work on panel/canvas over work on paper?, by johnnyh on Nov 8, 2014 15:07:11 GMT 1, Agree with both the comments above. Must say one benefit on canvas is the fact that they do not require the framing costs. An awful lot of money in my view is wasted on framing and glass
So Tis better to save for an original in my view
Agree with both the comments above. Must say one benefit on canvas is the fact that they do not require the framing costs. An awful lot of money in my view is wasted on framing and glass
So Tis better to save for an original in my view
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