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POW Pictures on Walls, by sahoria on Dec 12, 2008 1:18:10 GMT 1, i dont think d* will join up ranks with pow but for charity if was asked pretty sure he would be more than happy to do something.... eelus is talented also and liked his recent print....
d* i think would do some amazing prints with pow but think he is happy with brp...... who knows what future brings though but for charity hope they can band together and do something really special... 3of the top names from the uk think would make people stop and think...s
i dont think d* will join up ranks with pow but for charity if was asked pretty sure he would be more than happy to do something.... eelus is talented also and liked his recent print....
d* i think would do some amazing prints with pow but think he is happy with brp...... who knows what future brings though but for charity hope they can band together and do something really special... 3of the top names from the uk think would make people stop and think...s
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 1:20:53 GMT 1, i dont know what the deal is with nick walker and banksy (rivalry, who knows??) but we will save that for another thread, but could you imagine that. If Banksy, Walker and D*FACE did something really special.
I think POW would actually explode.
i dont know what the deal is with nick walker and banksy (rivalry, who knows??) but we will save that for another thread, but could you imagine that. If Banksy, Walker and D*FACE did something really special.
I think POW would actually explode.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by sahoria on Dec 12, 2008 1:25:02 GMT 1, think we would on here too...lol... i guess is upto management to see if they could work something out... think be nice for olympics if they was to do something together rather than on there own.... been while since i spoke to d* but i know for charity he holds dear to him.... think nick is the same and banksy is obvious....
joint show with brp/pow/frankie/upperplayground think would really turn heads... s
think we would on here too...lol... i guess is upto management to see if they could work something out... think be nice for olympics if they was to do something together rather than on there own.... been while since i spoke to d* but i know for charity he holds dear to him.... think nick is the same and banksy is obvious....
joint show with brp/pow/frankie/upperplayground think would really turn heads... s
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POW Pictures on Walls, by graeme501 on Dec 12, 2008 1:28:38 GMT 1, whats wrong with brp anyway? i find them a refreshing alernative to POW, producing prints of high quality
imo it wouldnt be good to have all the big hitters under one printhouse, and about the 3 colours and simple ideas, both nick walker and dface have produced prints like this through brp
blackratpress produce different and interesting prints, have better packaging, more shows throughout the year, and imo source and attract the better upcoming artists, and there is not the level of secrecy that sometimes clouds POW, they both do a great job, but both printhouses do different things
whats wrong with brp anyway? i find them a refreshing alernative to POW, producing prints of high quality
imo it wouldnt be good to have all the big hitters under one printhouse, and about the 3 colours and simple ideas, both nick walker and dface have produced prints like this through brp
blackratpress produce different and interesting prints, have better packaging, more shows throughout the year, and imo source and attract the better upcoming artists, and there is not the level of secrecy that sometimes clouds POW, they both do a great job, but both printhouses do different things
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 1:29:20 GMT 1, not sure if POW and BRP would do a joint thing S, i think companies linking up is more of a collectors dream than a business dream...
I just think plain and simple - seeing dface and walker back at POW. Banksy looks to have stayed there true for all these years and has been fine. Although after the VLH who knows if there will be an online release again as its become a victim of its own success, but im sure having other artists back would do them a world of good.
Walkers new stuff really suits BRP printing techniques, but he must not forget that not everyone can shell out £450 for one of these everytime.
not sure if POW and BRP would do a joint thing S, i think companies linking up is more of a collectors dream than a business dream...
I just think plain and simple - seeing dface and walker back at POW. Banksy looks to have stayed there true for all these years and has been fine. Although after the VLH who knows if there will be an online release again as its become a victim of its own success, but im sure having other artists back would do them a world of good.
Walkers new stuff really suits BRP printing techniques, but he must not forget that not everyone can shell out £450 for one of these everytime.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by sahoria on Dec 12, 2008 1:33:20 GMT 1, not slating brp think they do great job and mike always helpful!
think for charity they could really do something on another level... something that really stops people in there tracks and all money going to charity i think would get them all alot of attention... agree two companies joining together would be odd but think end result would truly be stunning... truth at the moment think more the artists than the people that back them who have control so who knows what will happen next year...s
not slating brp think they do great job and mike always helpful!
think for charity they could really do something on another level... something that really stops people in there tracks and all money going to charity i think would get them all alot of attention... agree two companies joining together would be odd but think end result would truly be stunning... truth at the moment think more the artists than the people that back them who have control so who knows what will happen next year...s
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POW Pictures on Walls, by dynamixx on Dec 12, 2008 1:33:37 GMT 1, No chance of Walker making a return to POW, as for D* I presume he made the switch to BRP for good reasons, he seems to be doing just fine selling direct and via BRP, and after they hosted his show he has to be committed to them for the forseeable future.
Getting sales from overpricved prints as far as less well known artists is concerned really is going to be the first thing to bite the dust, if it hasn't already. The time of them cashing in on a wave of speculation and hype is well and truly coming to an end. The primary print prices for the vast majority of 'known' artists in this scene is far too high, and as ever Banksy is leading the way and keeping it real by pricing way under market value for every release.
As for the concept of some of these artists going back to basics, I'm all for it and it makes perfect sense in the current climate. Often the most beautiful images are the most simple ones.
No chance of Walker making a return to POW, as for D* I presume he made the switch to BRP for good reasons, he seems to be doing just fine selling direct and via BRP, and after they hosted his show he has to be committed to them for the forseeable future.
Getting sales from overpricved prints as far as less well known artists is concerned really is going to be the first thing to bite the dust, if it hasn't already. The time of them cashing in on a wave of speculation and hype is well and truly coming to an end. The primary print prices for the vast majority of 'known' artists in this scene is far too high, and as ever Banksy is leading the way and keeping it real by pricing way under market value for every release.
As for the concept of some of these artists going back to basics, I'm all for it and it makes perfect sense in the current climate. Often the most beautiful images are the most simple ones.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by Deleted on Dec 12, 2008 1:39:07 GMT 1, whats wrong with brp anyway? i find them a refreshing alernative to POW, producing prints of high quality imo it wouldnt be good to have all the big hitters under one printhouse, and about the 3 colours and simple ideas, both nick walker and dface have produced prints like this through brp blackratpress produce different and interesting prints, have better packaging, more shows throughout the year, and imo source and attract the better upcoming artists, and there is not the level of secrecy that sometimes clouds POW, they both do a great job, but both printhouses do different things
you have made some good points here imo
whats wrong with brp anyway? i find them a refreshing alernative to POW, producing prints of high quality imo it wouldnt be good to have all the big hitters under one printhouse, and about the 3 colours and simple ideas, both nick walker and dface have produced prints like this through brp blackratpress produce different and interesting prints, have better packaging, more shows throughout the year, and imo source and attract the better upcoming artists, and there is not the level of secrecy that sometimes clouds POW, they both do a great job, but both printhouses do different things you have made some good points here imo |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 1:39:12 GMT 1, i think D* would go back to POW if he felt it was right. Obviously dont know the ins and outs of walker so cant comment on that.
i think D* would go back to POW if he felt it was right. Obviously dont know the ins and outs of walker so cant comment on that.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by graeme501 on Dec 12, 2008 1:40:27 GMT 1, producing prints which are not £300 with 17 colours but £150 with just 3 colours and simple ideas
Walkers new stuff really suits BRP printing techniques, but he must not forget that not everyone can shell out £450 for one of these everytime.
so what u r saying is that its ok to shell out £450 for a 2 colour screenprint everytime, as long as its banksy, but since there is not enough secondary market return on nick walker's 10 colour screenprints, not everyone can afford it?
producing prints which are not £300 with 17 colours but £150 with just 3 colours and simple ideas Walkers new stuff really suits BRP printing techniques, but he must not forget that not everyone can shell out £450 for one of these everytime. so what u r saying is that its ok to shell out £450 for a 2 colour screenprint everytime, as long as its banksy, but since there is not enough secondary market return on nick walker's 10 colour screenprints, not everyone can afford it? |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by Daniel Silk on Dec 12, 2008 1:41:32 GMT 1, I got the impression D*Face had the facilities to print his own stuff now at Stolenspace, so Im not really sure why he would need POW or BRP 
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POW Pictures on Walls, by sahoria on Dec 12, 2008 1:41:53 GMT 1, too much time passed for d* and as someone said mike has done great job for d*... think something special could still happen though but again upto artists and management...s
too much time passed for d* and as someone said mike has done great job for d*... think something special could still happen though but again upto artists and management...s
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 1:49:53 GMT 1, im just saying that sometimes you dont want a print thats 17 colours and costs £500 when you can do something simpler for £150 which is just as good.
The reason why banksy stuff is good as its kept simple. When did he last do a screenprint that was more than 2-3 colours?
im just saying that sometimes you dont want a print thats 17 colours and costs £500 when you can do something simpler for £150 which is just as good.
The reason why banksy stuff is good as its kept simple. When did he last do a screenprint that was more than 2-3 colours?
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 1:53:40 GMT 1, I got the impression D*Face had the facilities to print his own stuff now at Stolenspace, so Im not really sure why he would need POW or BRP
for sure, but im sure eelus was doing fine printing his stuff without POW, but he is back up there now just through going back.
POW is an excellent platform for artists, its a brand in itself hence why everything sells out. The original artists on POW as far as i can remember were banksy, hewlett, dface, eelus, walker, dolk and eine and they have all done well elsewhere but it never does anyone any harm to go back to your roots once in a while to get the people passionate again.
I got the impression D*Face had the facilities to print his own stuff now at Stolenspace, so Im not really sure why he would need POW or BRP for sure, but im sure eelus was doing fine printing his stuff without POW, but he is back up there now just through going back. POW is an excellent platform for artists, its a brand in itself hence why everything sells out. The original artists on POW as far as i can remember were banksy, hewlett, dface, eelus, walker, dolk and eine and they have all done well elsewhere but it never does anyone any harm to go back to your roots once in a while to get the people passionate again. |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by graeme501 on Dec 12, 2008 1:54:42 GMT 1, yeah but banksy does 2 colours at £500, not £150, however, this is way undermarket value, but banksy wants everyone to be able to afford his prints
with nick walker, and dface ect... they seem to have the pricing right, print editions sell out and secondary market price for the latest prints is pretty much the same as the secondary market prices, and this is good, too low prices and it encourages flippers (like the latest banksy releases)
main lesson, buy what u like, and what u can afford
yeah but banksy does 2 colours at £500, not £150, however, this is way undermarket value, but banksy wants everyone to be able to afford his prints
with nick walker, and dface ect... they seem to have the pricing right, print editions sell out and secondary market price for the latest prints is pretty much the same as the secondary market prices, and this is good, too low prices and it encourages flippers (like the latest banksy releases)
main lesson, buy what u like, and what u can afford
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POW Pictures on Walls, by graeme501 on Dec 12, 2008 1:57:48 GMT 1, I got the impression D*Face had the facilities to print his own stuff now at Stolenspace, so Im not really sure why he would need POW or BRP for sure, but im sure eelus was doing fine printing his stuff without POW, but he is back up there now just through going back. POW is an excellent platform for artists, its a brand in itself hence why everything sells out. The original artists on POW as far as i can remember were banksy, hewlett, dface, eelus, walker, dolk and eine and they have all done well elsewhere but it never does anyone any harm to go back to your roots once in a while to get the people passionate again.
POW is an excellent platform for an artist, but they are not the only option
a few years ago, they were, but now its safe to say a few people have stepped up and are all brilliant, and provide something different, POW, blackratpress, campbarbossa, urbanangel and upperplayground all do a great job nowdays
also, everything selling out instantly is not always the best thing for the artist - micallef, neate, choe ect... all suffered from hype created by selling out prints
I got the impression D*Face had the facilities to print his own stuff now at Stolenspace, so Im not really sure why he would need POW or BRP for sure, but im sure eelus was doing fine printing his stuff without POW, but he is back up there now just through going back. POW is an excellent platform for artists, its a brand in itself hence why everything sells out. The original artists on POW as far as i can remember were banksy, hewlett, dface, eelus, walker, dolk and eine and they have all done well elsewhere but it never does anyone any harm to go back to your roots once in a while to get the people passionate again. POW is an excellent platform for an artist, but they are not the only option a few years ago, they were, but now its safe to say a few people have stepped up and are all brilliant, and provide something different, POW, blackratpress, campbarbossa, urbanangel and upperplayground all do a great job nowdays also, everything selling out instantly is not always the best thing for the artist - micallef, neate, choe ect... all suffered from hype created by selling out prints |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 2:02:39 GMT 1, indeed. Banksy has also kept himself popular this way as well, without turning this into another thread about prints and money which is getting a boring read - Banksy selling prints at that price has meant people wanting his stuff has shot up due to the ebay factor as well. There is a certain amount of popularity with banksy not only because he is a pioneer but also because everyone wants one, usually to sell it so it pushes prices up. I dont think it would go as fast if they sold at at say £1500 at source.
A few artists have set their stall out to sell high so a buck cant be made quickly, but this may have a negative effect if you see what im saying. POW keeping prints basic and at good prices means that the stuff flies and the artists get popular. If artists like VHILS, sam3 or say vaucher were sold through any other channel it most likely would not be so popular. Banksy has made POW into a business that can sell things out quickly on the back of his name. If the banksy name ever left those links on POW, i have a strange feeling it would not do so well...
indeed. Banksy has also kept himself popular this way as well, without turning this into another thread about prints and money which is getting a boring read - Banksy selling prints at that price has meant people wanting his stuff has shot up due to the ebay factor as well. There is a certain amount of popularity with banksy not only because he is a pioneer but also because everyone wants one, usually to sell it so it pushes prices up. I dont think it would go as fast if they sold at at say £1500 at source.
A few artists have set their stall out to sell high so a buck cant be made quickly, but this may have a negative effect if you see what im saying. POW keeping prints basic and at good prices means that the stuff flies and the artists get popular. If artists like VHILS, sam3 or say vaucher were sold through any other channel it most likely would not be so popular. Banksy has made POW into a business that can sell things out quickly on the back of his name. If the banksy name ever left those links on POW, i have a strange feeling it would not do so well...
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 2:08:26 GMT 1, for sure, but im sure eelus was doing fine printing his stuff without POW, but he is back up there now just through going back. POW is an excellent platform for artists, its a brand in itself hence why everything sells out. The original artists on POW as far as i can remember were banksy, hewlett, dface, eelus, walker, dolk and eine and they have all done well elsewhere but it never does anyone any harm to go back to your roots once in a while to get the people passionate again. POW is an excellent platform for an artist, but they are not the only option a few years ago, they were, but now its safe to say a few people have stepped up and are all brilliant, and provide something different, POW, blackratpress, campbarbossa, urbanangel and upperplayground all do a great job nowdays also, everything selling out instantly is not always the best thing for the artist - micallef, neate, choe ect... all suffered from hype created by selling out prints
personally the micallef thing was his choice, he did that massive edition and then stopped with POW until now. It has taken a good year or so for him to get back on the radar, especially after the laz fiasco.
I think pow and brp are opposite places. No one can do the quality of prints that BRP produce, but sometimes its not all about polished pieces of paper as banksy has proved more than once.
Hopefully we will start seeing more realistic prices for prints at source from now on. People are realising that they cant flip them anymore anyway as the prices are crashing so hopefully it will return to normal a bit. It sort of did with ratatouille, look how that has come to cost pretty quickly as the price was set high
for sure, but im sure eelus was doing fine printing his stuff without POW, but he is back up there now just through going back. POW is an excellent platform for artists, its a brand in itself hence why everything sells out. The original artists on POW as far as i can remember were banksy, hewlett, dface, eelus, walker, dolk and eine and they have all done well elsewhere but it never does anyone any harm to go back to your roots once in a while to get the people passionate again. POW is an excellent platform for an artist, but they are not the only option a few years ago, they were, but now its safe to say a few people have stepped up and are all brilliant, and provide something different, POW, blackratpress, campbarbossa, urbanangel and upperplayground all do a great job nowdays also, everything selling out instantly is not always the best thing for the artist - micallef, neate, choe ect... all suffered from hype created by selling out prints personally the micallef thing was his choice, he did that massive edition and then stopped with POW until now. It has taken a good year or so for him to get back on the radar, especially after the laz fiasco. I think pow and brp are opposite places. No one can do the quality of prints that BRP produce, but sometimes its not all about polished pieces of paper as banksy has proved more than once. Hopefully we will start seeing more realistic prices for prints at source from now on. People are realising that they cant flip them anymore anyway as the prices are crashing so hopefully it will return to normal a bit. It sort of did with ratatouille, look how that has come to cost pretty quickly as the price was set high |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by graeme501 on Dec 12, 2008 2:10:41 GMT 1, i agree with you that if the banksy name ever left POW the artists would not do so well, and many of the artists would not have sold out their prints if they did not release them on POW, however, that says more about the quality of the artwork of the artists, rather than anything else
i agree with you that if the banksy name ever left POW the artists would not do so well, and many of the artists would not have sold out their prints if they did not release them on POW, however, that says more about the quality of the artwork of the artists, rather than anything else
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 2:13:25 GMT 1, true
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POW Pictures on Walls, by Daniel Silk on Dec 12, 2008 2:13:55 GMT 1, I guess in a way by some of the Artists such as Eine, D*Face, Eelus and Dolk, going off and releasing prints for themselves has helped cool things down in a good way  Imagine if all the prints those artists have produced outside, had been done on POW instead  things would have been totally mental ;D
I guess in a way by some of the Artists such as Eine, D*Face, Eelus and Dolk, going off and releasing prints for themselves has helped cool things down in a good way Imagine if all the prints those artists have produced outside, had been done on POW instead things would have been totally mental ;D |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 2:15:03 GMT 1, it would be like British Airways being the only place which flew people around the world - its good to have some competition here and there i guess
it would be like British Airways being the only place which flew people around the world - its good to have some competition here and there i guess
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POW Pictures on Walls, by raiden on Dec 12, 2008 4:35:19 GMT 1, I personally am pulling for Stella Dore in all this. In a sense, Stella Dore roster reminds me the most of the old school POW roster in terms of techniques, styles, etc.
Frankly, I would be secretly happy if POW went out of existence! And not for any gripe with POW, far from it, the people there are great. Positives aside (Cans, championing new artists, etc.) I think that the POW affect has been negative to the overall art market in several ways:
1) Created a climate of hyper flipping,
2) Concentrated power over urban art prints in one set of hands to too great of a degree,
Additionally my other criticisms of POW:
1) Marginally higher release prices than almost all other houses and sources even on comparable artists / editions (which they charge because of their success - and yes I acknowledge they keep their Micallef's and Banksy's cheap)
2) Mismanaged prices and edition numbers on a lot of their newer artists. (Titifreak)
You can't fault them for success at all - particularly in getting the POW brand to be synonymous with flippability at one point about a year ago.
Nevertheless, I would be ecstatic if the marriage of Banksy and POW would end so that it would have to stand on its own two feet as a print house.
I personally am pulling for Stella Dore in all this. In a sense, Stella Dore roster reminds me the most of the old school POW roster in terms of techniques, styles, etc.
Frankly, I would be secretly happy if POW went out of existence! And not for any gripe with POW, far from it, the people there are great. Positives aside (Cans, championing new artists, etc.) I think that the POW affect has been negative to the overall art market in several ways:
1) Created a climate of hyper flipping,
2) Concentrated power over urban art prints in one set of hands to too great of a degree,
Additionally my other criticisms of POW:
1) Marginally higher release prices than almost all other houses and sources even on comparable artists / editions (which they charge because of their success - and yes I acknowledge they keep their Micallef's and Banksy's cheap)
2) Mismanaged prices and edition numbers on a lot of their newer artists. (Titifreak)
You can't fault them for success at all - particularly in getting the POW brand to be synonymous with flippability at one point about a year ago.
Nevertheless, I would be ecstatic if the marriage of Banksy and POW would end so that it would have to stand on its own two feet as a print house.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 10:45:35 GMT 1, think is if the pow / banksy marriage did end no one would be able to afford anything of his
think is if the pow / banksy marriage did end no one would be able to afford anything of his
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POW Pictures on Walls, by hellothere on Dec 12, 2008 12:05:48 GMT 1, I guess in a way by some of the Artists such as Eine, D*Face, Eelus and Dolk, going off and releasing prints for themselves has helped cool things down in a good way Imagine if all the prints those artists have produced outside, had been done on POW instead things would have been totally mental ;D
good point..
might be a silly question but do/ did most of them just decide to leave pow or we're pow cool with it?
I guess in a way by some of the Artists such as Eine, D*Face, Eelus and Dolk, going off and releasing prints for themselves has helped cool things down in a good way Imagine if all the prints those artists have produced outside, had been done on POW instead things would have been totally mental ;D good point.. might be a silly question but do/ did most of them just decide to leave pow or we're pow cool with it? |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by Daniel Silk on Dec 12, 2008 12:17:00 GMT 1, I guess in a way by some of the Artists such as Eine, D*Face, Eelus and Dolk, going off and releasing prints for themselves has helped cool things down in a good way Imagine if all the prints those artists have produced outside, had been done on POW instead things would have been totally mental ;D good point.. might be a silly question but do/ did most of them just decide to leave pow or we're pow cool with it?
No idea
No comment 
I guess in a way by some of the Artists such as Eine, D*Face, Eelus and Dolk, going off and releasing prints for themselves has helped cool things down in a good way Imagine if all the prints those artists have produced outside, had been done on POW instead things would have been totally mental ;D good point.. might be a silly question but do/ did most of them just decide to leave pow or we're pow cool with it? No idea No comment |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by hellothere on Dec 12, 2008 12:19:29 GMT 1, good point.. might be a silly question but do/ did most of them just decide to leave pow or we're pow cool with it? No idea No comment
oh i see 
good point.. might be a silly question but do/ did most of them just decide to leave pow or we're pow cool with it? No idea No comment oh i see |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by kennas on Dec 12, 2008 15:34:30 GMT 1, Interesting thread. I'm glad to see Stella Dore mentioned too, I think they're excellent.
Interesting thread. I'm glad to see Stella Dore mentioned too, I think they're excellent.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by rdl81 on Dec 12, 2008 15:48:40 GMT 1, especially after the laz fiasco. what was this heard it a few times?
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POW Pictures on Walls, by bullet on Dec 12, 2008 23:30:32 GMT 1, it was just a general cock up at laz, overnight lines...fights...arseholes...people spending silly money...the lot.
it was just a general cock up at laz, overnight lines...fights...arseholes...people spending silly money...the lot.
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Imagine if all the prints those artists have produced outside, had been done on POW instead 
things would have been totally mental ;D
