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Margaret Thatcher Art, by freakinstyle on Apr 10, 2013 17:43:54 GMT 1, I don't know the real figures of what is spend on security or on 'state funeral etiquette stuff', but might well be necessary to spend that amount. Lots of foreign officials want to pay her respect and it is the role of Britain as a host to pay for that. She might not earn it for some, but inevitable and realistic as far as I can see.
Ideally you want those rich bastards that got a tax break when she came in no. 10 to use some bits of that to pay for the funeral. If Britain would be a dictatorship, you could slap-bitch make them, but we all know rich people have tendencies to be egocentric and wait for the public to pick up the bill.
I don't know the real figures of what is spend on security or on 'state funeral etiquette stuff', but might well be necessary to spend that amount. Lots of foreign officials want to pay her respect and it is the role of Britain as a host to pay for that. She might not earn it for some, but inevitable and realistic as far as I can see.
Ideally you want those rich bastards that got a tax break when she came in no. 10 to use some bits of that to pay for the funeral. If Britain would be a dictatorship, you could slap-bitch make them, but we all know rich people have tendencies to be egocentric and wait for the public to pick up the bill.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by freakinstyle on Apr 10, 2013 17:55:38 GMT 1, With you on that point silky. If there wasn't such a risk of morons caysing trouble then perhaps it would cost a lot less. I also love the way that the self appointed clever people use the words naive and patronise when trying to argue a point against someone else's opinion, implying that because you differ from them then you simply must be uneducated. I find that some of the most educated people I've ever ever met happen to be some of the most stupid and ignorant people also. Great kid with a degree on the radio today defended his chanting about her death by saying her didn't like her part in taking us to war in Iraq. Yes that woman did some things that weren't always right but I believe this country would be a lot worse off had she not have busted the unions and if everything she did was bad how come most of it wasn't reversed under 14 years of a labour government? Just saying.
When it comes to educated: I make a clear distinction between knowledge/educated and intelligence. Loads of people can get a degree, of which a big part is getting knowledge. Knowledge doesn't make you intelligent, how you use knowledge defines intelligence.
When it comes to nothing changed back: I think that might be due to them being less able to implement as much, which is the thing everybody could admire her for; how much she has done whether that worked out well or not. It isn't easy to get loads of changes through. Which I think is part of her being kicked out by her own people. Generally, if you want to change a lot in a established organisation, government in particular, you need to act tough and will make enemies. She made loads of them!
With you on that point silky. If there wasn't such a risk of morons caysing trouble then perhaps it would cost a lot less. I also love the way that the self appointed clever people use the words naive and patronise when trying to argue a point against someone else's opinion, implying that because you differ from them then you simply must be uneducated. I find that some of the most educated people I've ever ever met happen to be some of the most stupid and ignorant people also. Great kid with a degree on the radio today defended his chanting about her death by saying her didn't like her part in taking us to war in Iraq. Yes that woman did some things that weren't always right but I believe this country would be a lot worse off had she not have busted the unions and if everything she did was bad how come most of it wasn't reversed under 14 years of a labour government? Just saying. Haven't noticed the point your making about intelligence and stuff. All I know is that some people aren't natural in discussing their opinion in a rational discussible way. That doesn't mean they are wrong. Just tells me there is a lot of emotion. So far seen pointless shouting from both sides, but have to say, would expect a lot more on this topic! When it comes to educated: I make a clear distinction between knowledge/educated and intelligence. Loads of people can get a degree, of which a big part is getting knowledge. Knowledge doesn't make you intelligent, how you use knowledge defines intelligence. When it comes to nothing changed back: I think that might be due to them being less able to implement as much, which is the thing everybody could admire her for; how much she has done whether that worked out well or not. It isn't easy to get loads of changes through. Which I think is part of her being kicked out by her own people. Generally, if you want to change a lot in a established organisation, government in particular, you need to act tough and will make enemies. She made loads of them! |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by barryh on Apr 10, 2013 18:04:38 GMT 1, Well she shouldnt even be getting a state funeral, the fact she is just rubs it in peoples faces. A large chunk of the public seem to feel she should have a funeral of that status, so thats what she's getting, everyone will a personal opinion on that. I said about the amount of money that will be used for security. If those who did not like her at least respected the funeral and those who want to attend the event in peace, the whole thing would cost us all much less.
ok, so a state funeral wouldnt usually cost millions ? I think you need a reality check
Well she shouldnt even be getting a state funeral, the fact she is just rubs it in peoples faces. A large chunk of the public seem to feel she should have a funeral of that status, so thats what she's getting, everyone will a personal opinion on that. I said about the amount of money that will be used for security. If those who did not like her at least respected the funeral and those who want to attend the event in peace, the whole thing would cost us all much less. ok, so a state funeral wouldnt usually cost millions ? I think you need a reality check |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Daniel Silk on Apr 10, 2013 18:20:23 GMT 1, I agree iamzero.
If you think different it seem to be perfectly justified that they can post any sort of abuse in return to try and belittle your opinion. Of course if the situation is the other way around the same rules dont seem to apply.
I agree iamzero.
If you think different it seem to be perfectly justified that they can post any sort of abuse in return to try and belittle your opinion. Of course if the situation is the other way around the same rules dont seem to apply.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Daniel Silk on Apr 10, 2013 18:25:43 GMT 1, A large chunk of the public seem to feel she should have a funeral of that status, so thats what she's getting, everyone will a personal opinion on that. I said about the amount of money that will be used for security. If those who did not like her at least respected the funeral and those who want to attend the event in peace, the whole thing would cost us all much less. ok, so a state funeral wouldnt usually cost millions ? I think you need a reality check
Im not bothered what it costs really.
Other members were complaining about the costs, and my point was that it might cost less if some groups were not planning Demonstrations and Protests at a Funeral. Im mean what are they protesting about, she's dead isnt she?
A large chunk of the public seem to feel she should have a funeral of that status, so thats what she's getting, everyone will a personal opinion on that. I said about the amount of money that will be used for security. If those who did not like her at least respected the funeral and those who want to attend the event in peace, the whole thing would cost us all much less. ok, so a state funeral wouldnt usually cost millions ? I think you need a reality check Im not bothered what it costs really. Other members were complaining about the costs, and my point was that it might cost less if some groups were not planning Demonstrations and Protests at a Funeral. Im mean what are they protesting about, she's dead isnt she? |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by iamzero on Apr 10, 2013 18:36:37 GMT 1, It's not a state funeral anyway. Even the opposing party leader admitted she was right for a lot of her decisions today. Not many people made a difference by being nice.
It's not a state funeral anyway. Even the opposing party leader admitted she was right for a lot of her decisions today. Not many people made a difference by being nice.
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I'm crying here..
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by aj2010 on Apr 10, 2013 19:36:43 GMT 1, It would seem that the most ignorant of people on this thread are the ones complaining about the ignorance of others. Let her have the private family funeral she deserves and no one will protest.
It would seem that the most ignorant of people on this thread are the ones complaining about the ignorance of others. Let her have the private family funeral she deserves and no one will protest.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 20:23:24 GMT 1, It's not a state funeral anyway. Even the opposing party leader admitted she was right for a lot of her decisions today. Not many people made a difference by being nice.
But he's an arse, isn't he? If there ever was a leader of the opposition who lacked the self belief that he's up to the task then it's Ed Milliband, the body language is horrendous......
I cannot fathom why Mrs Thatcher's demise warrants a state funeral, or the associated cost and like several other posters on here I personally find this pretty nauseating.
Nice addy that Mark Thatcher will possibly inherit though, Chester Square. That's proper Belgravia that is, as uber prime as it comes......
It's not a state funeral anyway. Even the opposing party leader admitted she was right for a lot of her decisions today. Not many people made a difference by being nice. But he's an arse, isn't he? If there ever was a leader of the opposition who lacked the self belief that he's up to the task then it's Ed Milliband, the body language is horrendous...... I cannot fathom why Mrs Thatcher's demise warrants a state funeral, or the associated cost and like several other posters on here I personally find this pretty nauseating. Nice addy that Mark Thatcher will possibly inherit though, Chester Square. That's proper Belgravia that is, as uber prime as it comes...... |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by bomber88 on Apr 10, 2013 21:20:17 GMT 1, “For 3 million you could give everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we could dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan in person” - Frankie Boyle. Not big or clever nor does it add anything intelligent to the discussion but it made me f**cking laugh.
“For 3 million you could give everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we could dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan in person” - Frankie Boyle. Not big or clever nor does it add anything intelligent to the discussion but it made me f**cking laugh.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by mmmike on Apr 10, 2013 22:12:01 GMT 1, It's not a state funeral anyway. Even the opposing party leader admitted she was right for a lot of her decisions today. Not many people made a difference by being nice.
It's not a state funeral anyway. Even the opposing party leader admitted she was right for a lot of her decisions today. Not many people made a difference by being nice. Gandhi, MLK, Dalai Lama, Einstein, Chomsky, Peter Singer etc., etc. (just some of my favorites) |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by iamzero on Apr 10, 2013 22:16:12 GMT 1, It's not a state funeral anyway. Even the opposing party leader admitted she was right for a lot of her decisions today. Not many people made a difference by being nice. Gandhi, MLK, Dalai Lama, Einstein, Chomsky, Peter Singer etc., etc. (just some of my favorites)
See... Not many.
It's not a state funeral anyway. Even the opposing party leader admitted she was right for a lot of her decisions today. Not many people made a difference by being nice. Gandhi, MLK, Dalai Lama, Einstein, Chomsky, Peter Singer etc., etc. (just some of my favorites) See... Not many. |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by mmmike on Apr 10, 2013 22:23:17 GMT 1, Silky did you delete one of my posts here? how come?
Silky did you delete one of my posts here? how come?
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by mmmike on Apr 10, 2013 22:27:27 GMT 1, With you on that point silky. If there wasn't such a risk of morons caysing trouble then perhaps it would cost a lot less. I also love the way that the self appointed clever people use the words naive and patronise when trying to argue a point against someone else's opinion, implying that because you differ from them then you simply must be uneducated. I find that some of the most educated people I've ever ever met happen to be some of the most stupid and ignorant people also. Great kid with a degree on the radio today defended his chanting about her death by saying her didn't like her part in taking us to war in Iraq. Yes that woman did some things that weren't always right but I believe this country would be a lot worse off had she not have busted the unions and if everything she did was bad how come most of it wasn't reversed under 14 years of a labour government? Just saying.
With you on that point silky. If there wasn't such a risk of morons caysing trouble then perhaps it would cost a lot less. I also love the way that the self appointed clever people use the words naive and patronise when trying to argue a point against someone else's opinion, implying that because you differ from them then you simply must be uneducated. I find that some of the most educated people I've ever ever met happen to be some of the most stupid and ignorant people also. Great kid with a degree on the radio today defended his chanting about her death by saying her didn't like her part in taking us to war in Iraq. Yes that woman did some things that weren't always right but I believe this country would be a lot worse off had she not have busted the unions and if everything she did was bad how come most of it wasn't reversed under 14 years of a labour government? Just saying. iamzero what's your point about the Iraq war? You think it was a good thing that hundreds of thousands of children died as a result of the war and the sanctions that followed? |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by mmmike on Apr 10, 2013 22:28:33 GMT 1, Gandhi, MLK, Dalai Lama, Einstein, Chomsky, Peter Singer etc., etc. (just some of my favorites) See... Not many.
Gandhi, MLK, Dalai Lama, Einstein, Chomsky, Peter Singer etc., etc. (just some of my favorites) See... Not many. lol |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by iamzero on Apr 10, 2013 22:56:02 GMT 1, There was some dude on a radio phone in that justified his celebration on the streets and chanting about her death by condemning her decision to lead us into a war with Iraq. A 26 year old little idiot was my point and just for the record no I didn't think the invasion if Iraq was justified. Although the defence of the Falklands was completely in order.
Over and out. I withdraw from this thread, I thank you and good day.
There was some dude on a radio phone in that justified his celebration on the streets and chanting about her death by condemning her decision to lead us into a war with Iraq. A 26 year old little idiot was my point and just for the record no I didn't think the invasion if Iraq was justified. Although the defence of the Falklands was completely in order.
Over and out. I withdraw from this thread, I thank you and good day.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by teatwosugars on Apr 10, 2013 22:59:55 GMT 1,
What else were we to expect from this place!
What else were we to expect from this place!
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Coach on Apr 10, 2013 23:18:05 GMT 1, What else were we to expect from this place!
Wish you were here more often my friend.
What else were we to expect from this place! Hey mate. Good to here from you. Hope you are well. Wish you were here more often my friend. |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 0:18:39 GMT 1, 'Thatcherism, she said, transformed into virtues "the vices of greed, selfishness, no care for the weaker, sharp elbows, sharp knees". ' Glenda Jackson,
A couple of observations, yes there were issues with the economy Thatcher inherited, yes there were hard decisions to be made and no Labour did not have the solutions (but just maybe this was the foundations for the warped right and 'left' we see today). For me at least the issues lie with something we've not seen much of since then and seemingly arose in this time, a lack of empathy for your fellow human. No party has seemingly addressed this 'properly' since, demonisation, scapegoating, appealing to our most base sentiments, one liners, glib catchphrases, simple solutions for complex problems, the list goes on. If someone was able to distill Thatcher's strength and drive , with a social conscience you maye just maybe on to something,.
'Thatcherism, she said, transformed into virtues "the vices of greed, selfishness, no care for the weaker, sharp elbows, sharp knees". ' Glenda Jackson,
A couple of observations, yes there were issues with the economy Thatcher inherited, yes there were hard decisions to be made and no Labour did not have the solutions (but just maybe this was the foundations for the warped right and 'left' we see today). For me at least the issues lie with something we've not seen much of since then and seemingly arose in this time, a lack of empathy for your fellow human. No party has seemingly addressed this 'properly' since, demonisation, scapegoating, appealing to our most base sentiments, one liners, glib catchphrases, simple solutions for complex problems, the list goes on. If someone was able to distill Thatcher's strength and drive , with a social conscience you maye just maybe on to something,.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by love on Apr 11, 2013 0:30:40 GMT 1, This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society. Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don’t celebrate – organise!
This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society. Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don’t celebrate – organise! |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by mmmike on Apr 11, 2013 2:14:41 GMT 1, There was some dude on a radio phone in that justified his celebration on the streets and chanting about her death by condemning her decision to lead us into a war with Iraq. A 26 year old little idiot was my point and just for the record no I didn't think the invasion if Iraq was justified. Although the defence of the Falklands was completely in order. Over and out. I withdraw from this thread, I thank you and good day.
Still don't know why the the Iraq war isn't reason enough to dislike her?
There was some dude on a radio phone in that justified his celebration on the streets and chanting about her death by condemning her decision to lead us into a war with Iraq. A 26 year old little idiot was my point and just for the record no I didn't think the invasion if Iraq was justified. Although the defence of the Falklands was completely in order. Over and out. I withdraw from this thread, I thank you and good day. Personally I don't think her death was something to celebrate but I understand the emotion and don't fault the guy. I do think the world would be a better place if she was never born. May that sounds harsh but I think there is a lot of evidence to support that position. Still don't know why the the Iraq war isn't reason enough to dislike her? |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by mmmike on Apr 11, 2013 2:22:07 GMT 1, Silky did you delete one of my posts here? how come?
Silky did you delete one of my posts here? how come? Bump |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by mouser on Apr 11, 2013 8:07:02 GMT 1, This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society. Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don’t celebrate – organise!
This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society. Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don’t celebrate – organise! Billy Bragg quote from Monday night , posted from Canada....... |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Monky on Apr 11, 2013 9:03:20 GMT 1, This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society. Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don’t celebrate – organise!
You have summarised my thoughts on this perfectly!
This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society. Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don’t celebrate – organise! You have summarised my thoughts on this perfectly! |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by barryh on Apr 11, 2013 14:07:04 GMT 1, Wouldnt agree this is a tirade though, more expressing an opinion like John Becrow says.
Wouldnt agree this is a tirade though, more expressing an opinion like John Becrow says.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Coach on Apr 11, 2013 15:27:42 GMT 1, Wouldnt agree this is a tirade though, more expressing an opinion like John Becrow says.
Absolutly brilliant! First class speech. Hope some Tories watch it, and appreciate the depth of feeling of her detractors.
Glenda Jackson is a national treasure imo.
Hilarious to watch the Tory MP at the end getting firmly put in his place, for complaining about what she had said.
Wouldnt agree this is a tirade though, more expressing an opinion like John Becrow says. Absolutly brilliant! First class speech. Hope some Tories watch it, and appreciate the depth of feeling of her detractors. Glenda Jackson is a national treasure imo. Hilarious to watch the Tory MP at the end getting firmly put in his place, for complaining about what she had said. |
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by achtungbono on Apr 11, 2013 15:48:02 GMT 1, given the roots of street art, I am rather surprised at some of the opinions being expressed on this thread. There is a great deal of British Political history revisionism going on this week- we have a Princess Diana kind of beatification of Thatcher going on in the press / FB etc.You dont have to subscribe to any kind of left wing agenda to be able to distinguish between historical fact & some of the revisionist hagiography slopping about the meeja.
She was an unlikeable heartless woman who is revered because she made some people rich.The current shitstorm we live in, the casino banking, the debt, the prices of housing, the rising cost of living for the poor and the current crop of selfish me me me shit TV we consume on a daily basis all boils down to Thacher & her twisted neo-liberal crusade I am not going to dance on her grave, but I will not be shedding any tears.
given the roots of street art, I am rather surprised at some of the opinions being expressed on this thread. There is a great deal of British Political history revisionism going on this week- we have a Princess Diana kind of beatification of Thatcher going on in the press / FB etc.You dont have to subscribe to any kind of left wing agenda to be able to distinguish between historical fact & some of the revisionist hagiography slopping about the meeja.
She was an unlikeable heartless woman who is revered because she made some people rich.The current shitstorm we live in, the casino banking, the debt, the prices of housing, the rising cost of living for the poor and the current crop of selfish me me me shit TV we consume on a daily basis all boils down to Thacher & her twisted neo-liberal crusade I am not going to dance on her grave, but I will not be shedding any tears.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by brookesjoe on Apr 11, 2013 16:27:25 GMT 1, What else were we to expect from this place!
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I can't be bothered to wade in.
What else were we to expect from this place! Exactly! I can't be bothered to wade in. |
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