Urban Art Association

Bugger, IT skills let me down again, plus have had a few.

I think have noticed a change recently. Well, quite a few, but there are two that strike me the most.

First, there seems to be an aggresiveness creeping into this forum - not hugely so, but just an undercurrent. Or am I imagining it? I dont know. This place should be chilled.

Secondly there seems to be a new (to me) way of buying art, namely to start threads saying "I'll pay x thousand pounds for your xxx". I'm not sure if these threads are intended to push up the prices of artwork, or not, but in the past people have said what they are looking for, and left it at that - I expect prices were then discussed privatly.

Again, maybe I am imagining this - and I really have had a few tonight, so apols if I am talking rubbish - just thinking out load really!

Carry on......

f**k off Coach you t**t !!!!! 

Seriously good point mate. Hope all is good with you chap

johnny

or possibly a third thing that i havent thought of

there used to be the odd person on ebay who used to sell himself Banksy prints to drive up prices, but clearly that involved paying fees for sales he never made

I mentioned this in a post recently dude. I think the 1 star members are galleries pushing prices up along with jumped up little rich boys that have seen the Banksy film and want a piece of the action. Just saying. Whatever. Totes amazballs.

Doh!, busted!.

Yes. I've definitely felt like there's been a growing "I'm alright Jack" attitude in day to day life. Combined with the recession, I don't think it helps that the media tells people on a daily basis that politicians are fiddling expenses, companies aren't paying tax, police officers are being corrupted, lenient sentencing for serious crimes, footballers wages, adverts telling you that if you don't have this certain product, your life will be sh_t, immigrants are here to take your job, money, house, fiddle your kids, breed with your kids, blow up your kids, the average person now having to have 3 part-time jobs instead of 1 full-time job, because of the large number of jobless, employers can pick and choose now, oh and you must be flexible (why? so you can bend me over?). Adverts, adverts, adverts, newspapers telling us who we should hate this week, people seeing other people that have the talent of a walnut, making a fortune by being in front of a camera and looking pretty f_cking vacant, the media telling us how likely we are to be stabbed this week, blown up this week, sacked this week, yet hardly ever mentioning all the good things in the world, because hey, who's interested in that? You'd rather know about planes falling out of the sky than something cheerful. Anyway, that's what YT cat videos are for. People, by the by, just want to get on with their lives, but a lot of people are scared and angry. Scared of losing their jobs, homes, the print they wanted to buy this weekend, scared that someone is going to come and take something from them, and they're angry that they're seeing people, seemingly no better than themselves, getting away with corruption, fiddling, earning more than they think is fair, and they are frustrated that they see no alternative to the dreary-weary treadmill that they are already on.

A lot of people take everything as an attack now. And a lot of people concentrate on getting the sh_t that they want, and keeping the sh_t that they have. Sometimes at the expense of others.

imho

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It's not easy, but fear very much plays a part in keeping people in their place. 

Particularly over the last few years, a lot of the things that we were brought up to believe were there for our benefit have been exposed - as a fraud, a con, as money grabbing greedy b**tards in it for their own good.
And now a lot of what a lot of us believed was going on can now be proven. The corruption of the police - Hillsborough and the Murdoch press, their undercover work targeting very small protests groups; the press itself and their pursuit of the trivial and phone hacking, the relentless march of the corporations destroying local communities; the politicians lining their pockets; the failings in the NHS; state education; wars being fought for the vanity of politicians, and thousands of young active fit men being injured and reduced to taking charity money; the greed of the bankers; the state targeting the vulnerable.

And worst of all? The f***ing sh*t weather!

  

I'm looking forward to giving this a watch.Though I may regret it.

For what it's worth.....one of the members offering £x for an artists particular print has just completed a no hassle transaction at the price he offered and his new print is on it's way to him (packed like a pro!).

I am glad to see people making the connection between attitudes on a message board and the larger world. If we look outside to the world, the majority of people are being pinched everywhere on the globe. I know here in the U.S. what was an "American Dream" where we thought we were the best and #1 has come for many and is still coming for some, to the reallity that is just not the case. So our easy dream has become more of an idea of clinging and simply making it through, to where I don't know. The feeling that people need to cling on to what they have has created more of a drive to watch your dollars and get what you can. Often this comes through in the form of flipping and aggression on the board. Ultimately it is up to us to stop that direction. Seems that groups like the G8 would have us eat each other alive if it would transfer more money to the top. Maybe I am getting a little over the top here but I like to look at the big picture rather than get involved with mundane details that delay our progression.

I ought to add that I do appreciate that these perceptions (and that is all they are) may be completely off the mark, and hugely influenced by the media. I am more than happy to be educated if these perceptions are falasies. 

Well that's  cheered me up no end! 

[/quote]Yep, think I get your drift. My pet hate is bashing the NHS. This week it was the stat that Jeremy 'unt made that eight people per week die needlessly in hospitals. While this is clearly far from ideal it needs to be put it in context of 3m patients plus per week using the services. So it's all about perspective.
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Couldn't agree with you any more. that one word...Perspective. It's about humility and humanity, and the very core of this is integrity.

If we all lived with integrity buying and selling art or voicing our opinions, expressing our feelings would be all good, cause when you come from a place steeped in integrity then well, you are neither right or wrong, and neither is your neighbour.

The world needs more integrity or people willing to live with it, for it.

Peace

There is enough to go around. food ? There's a plentiful supply in the form of insects. Power ? There's renewables and we have the technology. But large multinationals in the natural resource field along with governments have long since forever delayed this. Societal attitude is manipulated into thinking we're powerless.

Just look at the austerity line we've been fed for the last 6 years and look at what this has done to the world.