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Sept 1, 2013 23:32:53 GMT 1
Syria, by Wearology on Sept 1, 2013 23:32:53 GMT 1, If the British Parliament voted yes the other day, than the Brits and the Yankees would already be knee deep in military conflict. The vote in the UK 100% influenced the tone of the US politicians as well as the voice of the common man in America.
If the British Parliament voted yes the other day, than the Brits and the Yankees would already be knee deep in military conflict. The vote in the UK 100% influenced the tone of the US politicians as well as the voice of the common man in America.
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Syria, by dreadnatty on Sept 1, 2013 23:51:58 GMT 1, I have no idea what the political climate is in the UK, but I can tell you that the majority of American's according to the polls have had enough of military conflicts. The American People are sick and tired of war and everything that comes with it. We all understand that the US Economy is a War Economy, but at some point the people have to stand up and say enough is enough and I think we are at that point. President Obama will put the decision to a vote on September 9th and don't be surprised if the US Government follows the lead of the British Government and says no to war. The only difference will be that Obama will probably still proceed with military action regardless of the vote.
I have no idea what the political climate is in the UK, but I can tell you that the majority of American's according to the polls have had enough of military conflicts. The American People are sick and tired of war and everything that comes with it. We all understand that the US Economy is a War Economy, but at some point the people have to stand up and say enough is enough and I think we are at that point. President Obama will put the decision to a vote on September 9th and don't be surprised if the US Government follows the lead of the British Government and says no to war. The only difference will be that Obama will probably still proceed with military action regardless of the vote. The US economy is a 'printing press' economy. While military gets plenty of $$$$ its peanuts compared to what the FED has created out of thin air and pushed thru the Big Banks. Obama is hoping that Congress votes NO as it (1)gets him out of the box HE created by stating 'chemical weapons were red line' and (2)keeps him in good standing with his base. Hard to believe he got involved in Libya but will wind up doing nothing in Syria but thats how its gonna go down. |
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Syria, by Wearology on Sept 2, 2013 0:18:07 GMT 1, I agree with you Dreadnatty but I also believe that the US population (Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Liberals, Conservatives, Tea Party members, etc.) all have had enough of war.
I agree with you Dreadnatty but I also believe that the US population (Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Liberals, Conservatives, Tea Party members, etc.) all have had enough of war.
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Syria, by jlee on Sept 2, 2013 1:20:26 GMT 1, The US economy is a 'printing press' economy. While military gets plenty of $$$$ its peanuts compared to what the FED has created out of thin air and pushed thru the Big Banks. Obama is hoping that Congress votes NO as it (1)gets him out of the box HE created by stating 'chemical weapons were red line' and (2)keeps him in good standing with his base. Hard to believe he got involved in Libya but will wind up doing nothing in Syria but thats how its gonna go down.
There is an absolute sick feeling of history repeating itself.. Though not a World War, the last 10 years has drained the bravado of patriotism in America, and apparently the UK, similar to the years following WW1. It seems like we are attempting to enter a period of isolation, which was good for a short period but ultimately enabled the extremes of atrocity to be pushed. I am torn to bits about this. On the one hand, I dont want to risk our boys' lives, I want to focus our efforts on building our country back up, but on the other hand I am frightened at the thought of what this period of latency might foster.
Obama will be slammed for what he does, and if he chooses not to do anything, then then he will crucified for anything that happens in the future. He has not played this well, especially since he knows that there's a bunch of senators just waiting to make him the Julius Caesar of the new millennium.
The US economy is a 'printing press' economy. While military gets plenty of $$$$ its peanuts compared to what the FED has created out of thin air and pushed thru the Big Banks. Obama is hoping that Congress votes NO as it (1)gets him out of the box HE created by stating 'chemical weapons were red line' and (2)keeps him in good standing with his base. Hard to believe he got involved in Libya but will wind up doing nothing in Syria but thats how its gonna go down. IMHO, there's no real out for Obama on this one.. He is literally in a damned if he do, damned if he don't situation. There is an absolute sick feeling of history repeating itself.. Though not a World War, the last 10 years has drained the bravado of patriotism in America, and apparently the UK, similar to the years following WW1. It seems like we are attempting to enter a period of isolation, which was good for a short period but ultimately enabled the extremes of atrocity to be pushed. I am torn to bits about this. On the one hand, I dont want to risk our boys' lives, I want to focus our efforts on building our country back up, but on the other hand I am frightened at the thought of what this period of latency might foster. Obama will be slammed for what he does, and if he chooses not to do anything, then then he will crucified for anything that happens in the future. He has not played this well, especially since he knows that there's a bunch of senators just waiting to make him the Julius Caesar of the new millennium. |
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Syria, by dreadnatty on Sept 2, 2013 1:33:57 GMT 1, I agree with you Dreadnatty but I also believe that the US population (Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Liberals, Conservatives, Tea Party members, etc.) all have had enough of war.
I agree with you Dreadnatty but I also believe that the US population (Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Liberals, Conservatives, Tea Party members, etc.) all have had enough of war. Agree....the only 'winners' in this are Russia(and their satellite states - Iran,Syria/Assad,etc) |
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Sept 2, 2013 1:42:30 GMT 1
Syria, by dreadnatty on Sept 2, 2013 1:42:30 GMT 1, Well stated Jlee. Obama has not played this well,but he set a bad precedent by going into Libya(with virtually nothing happening compared to whats going on in Syria). He then doubled down with his 'red line' stance. The only question is - will he get 'bailed out' by Congress(specifically the House - which would be quite ironic)?
As for what seems to be the new world Isolationism - im troubled as well because we all know what long periods of isolationalism lead too.
Well stated Jlee. Obama has not played this well,but he set a bad precedent by going into Libya(with virtually nothing happening compared to whats going on in Syria). He then doubled down with his 'red line' stance. The only question is - will he get 'bailed out' by Congress(specifically the House - which would be quite ironic)?
As for what seems to be the new world Isolationism - im troubled as well because we all know what long periods of isolationalism lead too.
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Sept 2, 2013 4:25:56 GMT 1
Syria, by jlee on Sept 2, 2013 4:25:56 GMT 1, If Congress does what the Parliament did a few days, then I think Obama is going to give a big FU to them and go in anyway. Either way he won't make any friends.
If Congress does what the Parliament did a few days, then I think Obama is going to give a big FU to them and go in anyway. Either way he won't make any friends.
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Sept 2, 2013 9:43:37 GMT 1
Syria, by misterx on Sept 2, 2013 9:43:37 GMT 1, "I agree that any chemical attack, particularly one that kills civilians, is horrible and horrendous. All deaths in war and violence are terrible and should be condemned. But why are a few hundred killed by chemical attack any worse or more deserving of US bombs than the 100,000 already killed in the conflict? Why do these few hundred allegedly killed by Assad count any more than the estimated 1,000 Christians in Syria killed by US allies on the other side? Why is it any worse to be killed by poison gas than to have your head chopped off by the US allied radical Islamists, as has happened to a number of Christian priests and bishops in Syria?
For that matter, why are the few hundred civilians killed in Syria by a chemical weapon any worse than the 2000-3000 who have been killed by Obama's drone strikes in Pakistan? Does it really make a difference whether a civilian is killed by poison gas or by drone missile or dull knife?"
Ron Paul yesterday.Right on the money, yet these questions are not being asked in the mainstream media;all I hear are the beating of War Drums.
Whats your stance on these comments dreadnatty? Don't hear you getting all flustered when US drones kill innocent civilians 11,000km's away in Afghan/Pakistan, so wondered why you feel so strongly about Syria?
Could it be your falling hook, line and sinker for the rhetoric?
"I agree that any chemical attack, particularly one that kills civilians, is horrible and horrendous. All deaths in war and violence are terrible and should be condemned. But why are a few hundred killed by chemical attack any worse or more deserving of US bombs than the 100,000 already killed in the conflict? Why do these few hundred allegedly killed by Assad count any more than the estimated 1,000 Christians in Syria killed by US allies on the other side? Why is it any worse to be killed by poison gas than to have your head chopped off by the US allied radical Islamists, as has happened to a number of Christian priests and bishops in Syria?
For that matter, why are the few hundred civilians killed in Syria by a chemical weapon any worse than the 2000-3000 who have been killed by Obama's drone strikes in Pakistan? Does it really make a difference whether a civilian is killed by poison gas or by drone missile or dull knife?"
Ron Paul yesterday.Right on the money, yet these questions are not being asked in the mainstream media;all I hear are the beating of War Drums.
Whats your stance on these comments dreadnatty? Don't hear you getting all flustered when US drones kill innocent civilians 11,000km's away in Afghan/Pakistan, so wondered why you feel so strongly about Syria?
Could it be your falling hook, line and sinker for the rhetoric?
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Syria, by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 9:52:05 GMT 1,
George Galloway on form
George Galloway on form
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Syria, by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 9:53:02 GMT 1, Regarding Syria, follow the money. Who profits ? it really is that simple.
Regarding Syria, follow the money. Who profits ? it really is that simple.
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Syria, by anbesivam1 on Sept 2, 2013 10:13:16 GMT 1, Regarding Syria, follow the money. Who profits ? it really is that simple.
Just wondering... Where is the money in Syria? They don't have oil or gas reserves from what I understand.
I feel very stupid...what am I missing when you say "follow the money"?
When USA went to war in the first gulf war...they billed Kuwait for every bomb and bullet they used.
The second gulf war - control of Iraqi oil fields and USA contracts to rebuild the oil infrastructure.
Regarding Syria, follow the money. Who profits ? it really is that simple. Just wondering... Where is the money in Syria? They don't have oil or gas reserves from what I understand. I feel very stupid...what am I missing when you say "follow the money"? When USA went to war in the first gulf war...they billed Kuwait for every bomb and bullet they used. The second gulf war - control of Iraqi oil fields and USA contracts to rebuild the oil infrastructure. |
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Syria, by misterx on Sept 2, 2013 10:58:24 GMT 1, 
 Kerry,Assad and their wives enjoying a pleasant dinner at a restaurant in Damascus in 2009.
My how times have changed.
Kerry,Assad and their wives enjoying a pleasant dinner at a restaurant in Damascus in 2009. My how times have changed. |
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Syria, by letiss on Sept 2, 2013 11:02:46 GMT 1, Surprising that bombing appears the only option being discussed particularly as there are so many refugees, perhaps as many as 1m in Lebanon and there must be ways to utilise this mass of people in a way to bring down the current regime (and not necessarily through military means). Not sure exactly how that could happen but it's a lot of people that could have a stronger voice in changing their country.
Surprising that bombing appears the only option being discussed particularly as there are so many refugees, perhaps as many as 1m in Lebanon and there must be ways to utilise this mass of people in a way to bring down the current regime (and not necessarily through military means). Not sure exactly how that could happen but it's a lot of people that could have a stronger voice in changing their country.
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Syria, by searchandrescue on Sept 2, 2013 12:00:21 GMT 1, Nuart,
Re: who benefits, any knowledge of the rumoured Quatari gas pipeline that would probably pass through Syria?
Nuart,
Re: who benefits, any knowledge of the rumoured Quatari gas pipeline that would probably pass through Syria?
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Syria, by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 12:43:36 GMT 1, Regarding Syria, follow the money. Who profits ? it really is that simple. Just wondering... Where is the money in Syria? They don't have oil or gas reserves from what I understand. I feel very stupid...what am I missing something when you say "follow the money"? When USA went to war in the first gulf war...they billed Kuwait for every bomb and bullet they used. The second gulf war - control of Iraqi oil fields and USA contracts to rebuild the oil infrastructure.
Regarding Syria, follow the money. Who profits ? it really is that simple. Just wondering... Where is the money in Syria? They don't have oil or gas reserves from what I understand. I feel very stupid...what am I missing something when you say "follow the money"? When USA went to war in the first gulf war...they billed Kuwait for every bomb and bullet they used. The second gulf war - control of Iraqi oil fields and USA contracts to rebuild the oil infrastructure. They'll bomb the shit out of all the infrastructure, water, electricity, roads etc.. basically everything a country needs to run, then they'll give all the billion dollar contracts to Haliburton etc, who are also the American government. Imagine the government as a corporation and then ask yourself why would a corporation bomb a country back into the middle ages ? certainly not for "ethical" or "moral" reasons. Also, bombs cost money, especially in a privatised military. |
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Syria, by misterx on Sept 2, 2013 12:58:16 GMT 1, I think that should read CONFESSIONS of an Economic Hitman, not apologies?
If you get the opportunity to read the book of the same name by John Perkins. I would highly recommend it.
Tis a dirty world.
I think that should read CONFESSIONS of an Economic Hitman, not apologies?
If you get the opportunity to read the book of the same name by John Perkins. I would highly recommend it.
Tis a dirty world.
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Syria, by Wearology on Sept 2, 2013 13:46:46 GMT 1, This is the main reason most American's do not any more war in foreign lands. Please see below a list of military conflicts the US has been in since the 80's.
Libya August 19, 1981 US victory; Deterioration of Libya-United States relations
Lebanese Civil War or
Multinational Force in Lebanon Shia militia
Druze miltia
Syria August 24, 1982 –
February 7, 1984 Withdrawal starting February 7
Action in the Gulf of Sidra or
Operation Prairie Fire Libya March 1986 Tactical US victory
Bombing of Libya or
Operation El Dorado Canyon Libya April 15, 1986 Tactical US victory
Iran-Iraq War or
Operation Earnest Will or
Tanker War Iran 1987 –
1988 Operation Prime Chance, Operation Nimble Archer, Operation Praying Mantis; United States victory
1989 Gulf of Sidra incident or
Second Gulf of Sidra Incident Libya January 4, 1989 Both sides claimed victory; Deterioration of Libya-United States relations
Invasion of Panama or
Operation Just Cause Panama PDF December 20, 1989 –
January 31, 1990 Decisive United States victory
Gulf War or
Persian Gulf War or
Operation Desert Storm Iraq August 2, 1990 –
February 28, 1991 Coalition victory:
Imposition of sanctions against Iraq
Removal of Iraqi invasion force from Kuwait
Iraqi no-fly zones Iraq 1991 –
2003 Operation Provide Comfort, Operation Southern Watch, Cruise missile strikes on Iraq (June 1993), Cruise missile strikes on Iraq (1996), Operation Northern Watch, Operation Desert Fox, Operation Southern Focus; Coalition victory
Somali Civil War or
Operation Restore Hope Various Somali factions 1992 –
1994 Multinational success
Bosnian War or
Operation Deliberate Force Republika Srpska 1993 –
1995 Dayton Accords
Operation Uphold Democracy Haiti 19 September 1994 –
31 March 1995
Reinstatement of Jean-Bertrand Aristide as President of Haiti
Bombings of Afghanistan and Sudan or
Operation Infinite Reach Al-Qaeda
Harkat-ul-Mujahideen
National Islamic Front August 20, 1998 Disputed
Kosovo War or
Operation Allied Force or
Operation Noble Anvil Federal Republic of Yugoslavia March 24 –
June 10, 1999 Kumanovo Treaty, UN Security Council Resolution 1244; Reflagged as KFOR in 1999 in support of Operation Joint Guardian
War on Terror Al-Qaeda
Taliban
Caucasian militants
Al-Shabaab
Islamic Courts Union
Iraqi insurgents
Hamas
Hezbollah
Baath Party Loyalists 7 October 2001 –
present Ongoing:
Fall of the Taliban government in Afghanistan
Destruction of Al-Qaeda camps
Taliban insurgency
Fall of the Ba'ath Party government in Iraq
Execution of Saddam Hussein
Free elections
Iraqi insurgency
Killing of Osama bin Laden
Operation Enduring Freedom
Part of the War on Terror In Afghanistan:
Taliban
al-Qaeda
In the Philippines:
Moro Islamic Liberation Front
Abu Sayyaf
Jemaah Islamiyah
In Somalia:
Al-Shabaab
Hizbul Islam
Somalia Pirates
In Sahara:
Al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb
7 October 2001 –
present Conflicts ongoing;
Taliban regime overthrown but their forces still fight ISAF and Afghan government forces
Killing of Osama bin Laden
War in Afghanistan or
Operation Enduring Freedom - Afghanistan
Part of Operation Enduring Freedom of the War on Terror Insurgent groups:
Taliban
al-Qaeda
IMU
HI-Gulbuddin
HI-Khalis
Haqqani network
Lashkar-e-Taiba
JeM
ETIM
TTP
IEW
TNSM
IJU
2001 Invasion:
Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
al-Qaeda
October 7, 2001 –
present Conflict ongoing:
Invasion of Afghanistan
Fall of the Taliban government
Destruction of al-Qaeda camps
Over two thirds of al-Qaeda's leadership demolished
Occupation of Afghanistan
Establishment of a new Afghan Government and Security Force
Taliban insurgency
War in North-West Pakistan
Killing of Osama bin Laden
Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines or
Operation Freedom Eagle
Part of Operation Enduring Freedom of the War on Terror Jemaah Islamiyah
Abu Sayyaf
Rajah Sulaiman Movement
al-Qaeda 15 January 2002 –
present Conflict ongoing
Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa
Part of Operation Enduring Freedom of the War on Terror Insurgents:
al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (Dis) Islamic Courts Union (Dis)
Harakat al-Shabaab Mujahedeen
Hizbul Islam (Dis)
Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia
Ras Kamboni Brigades
Jabhatul Islamiya
Mu'askar Anole
al-Qaeda
See: Somali Civil War Pirates:
Somali Pirates
Somali Marines
National Volunteer Coast Guard (NVCG)
Marka group
Puntland Group
Yemeni Pirates
7 October 2002 –
present Conflict ongoing
Operation Enduring Freedom - Trans Sahara
Part of Operation Enduring Freedom of the War on Terror al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb 6 February 2007 –
present Conflict ongoing
Iraq War or
Operation Iraqi Freedom
Part of the War on Terror Insurgent groups:
Baath Party Loyalists
Islamic State of Iraq
al-Qaeda in Iraq (2003–11)
Mahdi Army
Special Groups
Islamic Army of Iraq
Ansar al-Sunnah
Iraq
March 20, 2003 –
December 15, 2011 United States/Coalition victory, Coalition combat operations concluded, low level internal conflict ongoing:
Invasion of Iraq
Overthrow of Baath Party government and execution of Saddam Hussein
Coalition occupation of Iraq
Iraqi insurgency and sectarian violence
Subsequent depletion of Iraqi insurgency
Improvements in public security
Foreign terrorist operations
Elections held
Presence of American troops in advise and assist role until the end of 2011
War in North-West Pakistan or
Operation Freedom Eagle
Part of the War on Terror Taliban
Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan
TNSM
Al-Qaeda
Lashkar-e-Islam
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Ghazi Force March 16, 2004 –
present Conflict ongoing:
Ongoing insurgency
Large part of FATA under Taliban control
Shifting public support for the Pakistani government
Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown
Part of the War on Terror Islamic Emirate of Abyan
al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula
Harakat al-Shabaab Mujahideen January 14, 2010 –
present Conflict ongoing
Second Liberian Civil War Liberians United for Reconciliation and Democracy
Movement for Democracy in Liberia 2003 US forces withdraw in 2003 after UNMIL is established
Lord's Resistance Army insurgency Lord's Resistance Army
supported by:
Sudan October 2011 –
Present Crisis ongoing
2011 Libyan civil war or
Operation Odyssey Dawn Libyan Arab Jamahiriya:
Armed forces
Militia
March 19 –
October 23, 2011 Coalition victory:
Death of Muammar Gaddafi
Dissolution of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
This is the main reason most American's do not any more war in foreign lands. Please see below a list of military conflicts the US has been in since the 80's.
Libya August 19, 1981 US victory; Deterioration of Libya-United States relations
Lebanese Civil War or
Multinational Force in Lebanon Shia militia
Druze miltia
Syria August 24, 1982 –
February 7, 1984 Withdrawal starting February 7
Action in the Gulf of Sidra or
Operation Prairie Fire Libya March 1986 Tactical US victory
Bombing of Libya or
Operation El Dorado Canyon Libya April 15, 1986 Tactical US victory
Iran-Iraq War or
Operation Earnest Will or
Tanker War Iran 1987 –
1988 Operation Prime Chance, Operation Nimble Archer, Operation Praying Mantis; United States victory
1989 Gulf of Sidra incident or
Second Gulf of Sidra Incident Libya January 4, 1989 Both sides claimed victory; Deterioration of Libya-United States relations
Invasion of Panama or
Operation Just Cause Panama PDF December 20, 1989 –
January 31, 1990 Decisive United States victory
Gulf War or
Persian Gulf War or
Operation Desert Storm Iraq August 2, 1990 –
February 28, 1991 Coalition victory:
Imposition of sanctions against Iraq
Removal of Iraqi invasion force from Kuwait
Iraqi no-fly zones Iraq 1991 –
2003 Operation Provide Comfort, Operation Southern Watch, Cruise missile strikes on Iraq (June 1993), Cruise missile strikes on Iraq (1996), Operation Northern Watch, Operation Desert Fox, Operation Southern Focus; Coalition victory
Somali Civil War or
Operation Restore Hope Various Somali factions 1992 –
1994 Multinational success
Bosnian War or
Operation Deliberate Force Republika Srpska 1993 –
1995 Dayton Accords
Operation Uphold Democracy Haiti 19 September 1994 –
31 March 1995
Reinstatement of Jean-Bertrand Aristide as President of Haiti
Bombings of Afghanistan and Sudan or
Operation Infinite Reach Al-Qaeda
Harkat-ul-Mujahideen
National Islamic Front August 20, 1998 Disputed
Kosovo War or
Operation Allied Force or
Operation Noble Anvil Federal Republic of Yugoslavia March 24 –
June 10, 1999 Kumanovo Treaty, UN Security Council Resolution 1244; Reflagged as KFOR in 1999 in support of Operation Joint Guardian
War on Terror Al-Qaeda
Taliban
Caucasian militants
Al-Shabaab
Islamic Courts Union
Iraqi insurgents
Hamas
Hezbollah
Baath Party Loyalists 7 October 2001 –
present Ongoing:
Fall of the Taliban government in Afghanistan
Destruction of Al-Qaeda camps
Taliban insurgency
Fall of the Ba'ath Party government in Iraq
Execution of Saddam Hussein
Free elections
Iraqi insurgency
Killing of Osama bin Laden
Operation Enduring Freedom
Part of the War on Terror In Afghanistan:
Taliban
al-Qaeda
In the Philippines:
Moro Islamic Liberation Front
Abu Sayyaf
Jemaah Islamiyah
In Somalia:
Al-Shabaab
Hizbul Islam
Somalia Pirates
In Sahara:
Al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb
7 October 2001 –
present Conflicts ongoing;
Taliban regime overthrown but their forces still fight ISAF and Afghan government forces
Killing of Osama bin Laden
War in Afghanistan or
Operation Enduring Freedom - Afghanistan
Part of Operation Enduring Freedom of the War on Terror Insurgent groups:
Taliban
al-Qaeda
IMU
HI-Gulbuddin
HI-Khalis
Haqqani network
Lashkar-e-Taiba
JeM
ETIM
TTP
IEW
TNSM
IJU
2001 Invasion:
Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
al-Qaeda
October 7, 2001 –
present Conflict ongoing:
Invasion of Afghanistan
Fall of the Taliban government
Destruction of al-Qaeda camps
Over two thirds of al-Qaeda's leadership demolished
Occupation of Afghanistan
Establishment of a new Afghan Government and Security Force
Taliban insurgency
War in North-West Pakistan
Killing of Osama bin Laden
Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines or
Operation Freedom Eagle
Part of Operation Enduring Freedom of the War on Terror Jemaah Islamiyah
Abu Sayyaf
Rajah Sulaiman Movement
al-Qaeda 15 January 2002 –
present Conflict ongoing
Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa
Part of Operation Enduring Freedom of the War on Terror Insurgents:
al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (Dis) Islamic Courts Union (Dis)
Harakat al-Shabaab Mujahedeen
Hizbul Islam (Dis)
Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia
Ras Kamboni Brigades
Jabhatul Islamiya
Mu'askar Anole
al-Qaeda
See: Somali Civil War Pirates:
Somali Pirates
Somali Marines
National Volunteer Coast Guard (NVCG)
Marka group
Puntland Group
Yemeni Pirates
7 October 2002 –
present Conflict ongoing
Operation Enduring Freedom - Trans Sahara
Part of Operation Enduring Freedom of the War on Terror al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb 6 February 2007 –
present Conflict ongoing
Iraq War or
Operation Iraqi Freedom
Part of the War on Terror Insurgent groups:
Baath Party Loyalists
Islamic State of Iraq
al-Qaeda in Iraq (2003–11)
Mahdi Army
Special Groups
Islamic Army of Iraq
Ansar al-Sunnah
Iraq
March 20, 2003 –
December 15, 2011 United States/Coalition victory, Coalition combat operations concluded, low level internal conflict ongoing:
Invasion of Iraq
Overthrow of Baath Party government and execution of Saddam Hussein
Coalition occupation of Iraq
Iraqi insurgency and sectarian violence
Subsequent depletion of Iraqi insurgency
Improvements in public security
Foreign terrorist operations
Elections held
Presence of American troops in advise and assist role until the end of 2011
War in North-West Pakistan or
Operation Freedom Eagle
Part of the War on Terror Taliban
Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan
TNSM
Al-Qaeda
Lashkar-e-Islam
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Ghazi Force March 16, 2004 –
present Conflict ongoing:
Ongoing insurgency
Large part of FATA under Taliban control
Shifting public support for the Pakistani government
Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown
Part of the War on Terror Islamic Emirate of Abyan
al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula
Harakat al-Shabaab Mujahideen January 14, 2010 –
present Conflict ongoing
Second Liberian Civil War Liberians United for Reconciliation and Democracy
Movement for Democracy in Liberia 2003 US forces withdraw in 2003 after UNMIL is established
Lord's Resistance Army insurgency Lord's Resistance Army
supported by:
Sudan October 2011 –
Present Crisis ongoing
2011 Libyan civil war or
Operation Odyssey Dawn Libyan Arab Jamahiriya:
Armed forces
Militia
March 19 –
October 23, 2011 Coalition victory:
Death of Muammar Gaddafi
Dissolution of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
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Sept 2, 2013 15:55:19 GMT 1
Syria, by dreadnatty on Sept 2, 2013 15:55:19 GMT 1, Just wondering... Where is the money in Syria? They don't have oil or gas reserves from what I understand. I feel very stupid...what am I missing something when you say "follow the money"? When USA went to war in the first gulf war...they billed Kuwait for every bomb and bullet they used. The second gulf war - control of Iraqi oil fields and USA contracts to rebuild the oil infrastructure. They'll bomb the s**t out of all the infrastructure, water, electricity, roads etc.. basically everything a country needs to run, then they'll give all the billion dollar contracts to Haliburton etc, who are also the American government. Imagine the government as a corporation and then ask yourself why would a corporation bomb a country back into the middle ages ? certainly not for "ethical" or "moral" reasons. Also, bombs cost money, especially in a privatised military.
This is nonsense. Halliburton is a public company. Here is a link to the major owners - finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=HAL+Major+Holders
The market cap is approx 48b US - basically what AMZN/GOOG/AAPL/MSFT can gain/loose on a good/bad day.
Here are others - Northrop Grumman $21b
LMT - 40b
RTN - $24b
GD -$29b
All public companies. NONE 'owned' by the US govt. the amount of $$$ made by rebuilding infastructure in Syria is peanuts.
Just wondering... Where is the money in Syria? They don't have oil or gas reserves from what I understand. I feel very stupid...what am I missing something when you say "follow the money"? When USA went to war in the first gulf war...they billed Kuwait for every bomb and bullet they used. The second gulf war - control of Iraqi oil fields and USA contracts to rebuild the oil infrastructure. They'll bomb the s**t out of all the infrastructure, water, electricity, roads etc.. basically everything a country needs to run, then they'll give all the billion dollar contracts to Haliburton etc, who are also the American government. Imagine the government as a corporation and then ask yourself why would a corporation bomb a country back into the middle ages ? certainly not for "ethical" or "moral" reasons. Also, bombs cost money, especially in a privatised military. This is nonsense. Halliburton is a public company. Here is a link to the major owners - finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=HAL+Major+HoldersThe market cap is approx 48b US - basically what AMZN/GOOG/AAPL/MSFT can gain/loose on a good/bad day. Here are others - Northrop Grumman $21b LMT - 40b RTN - $24b GD -$29b All public companies. NONE 'owned' by the US govt. the amount of $$$ made by rebuilding infastructure in Syria is peanuts. |
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Sept 2, 2013 16:02:16 GMT 1
Syria, by dreadnatty on Sept 2, 2013 16:02:16 GMT 1, To put those #s in perspective - the US govt alone has been printing/purchasing $85b/month in treasuries for the past 12+ months in addition to the $900b in stimulus from a few years ago. Japan even more. Thats not even mentioning UK and EU.
FEDs balance sheet by the end of 2013 will be $4trillion(with a T) - thats just the US
To put those #s in perspective - the US govt alone has been printing/purchasing $85b/month in treasuries for the past 12+ months in addition to the $900b in stimulus from a few years ago. Japan even more. Thats not even mentioning UK and EU.
FEDs balance sheet by the end of 2013 will be $4trillion(with a T) - thats just the US
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Sept 2, 2013 16:10:49 GMT 1
Syria, by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 16:10:49 GMT 1, The reasons for the U.S. wanting to use military actions are very interesting and important to know.
The most important thing right now though, as seen by the Parliamentary vote result in the UK and the subsequent U-turn by Obama, is that UK and hopefully US citizens by their actions are still able to control their representatives.
It's common sense that military action and violence does not solve problems this complicated.
If only the UK and US Governments would spent the huge amount of money that would be required (and seems to be so readily available when the military wants it) on helping the millions of civilian Syrians, with thousands of ordinary Syrians forced to flee Syria and live in tented refugee camps for over 18 months now, maybe the people of Syria and that region won't look at the West with such disrespect or hatred.
I just really hope that the people of America can make their voices heard.
The reasons for the U.S. wanting to use military actions are very interesting and important to know.
The most important thing right now though, as seen by the Parliamentary vote result in the UK and the subsequent U-turn by Obama, is that UK and hopefully US citizens by their actions are still able to control their representatives.
It's common sense that military action and violence does not solve problems this complicated.
If only the UK and US Governments would spent the huge amount of money that would be required (and seems to be so readily available when the military wants it) on helping the millions of civilian Syrians, with thousands of ordinary Syrians forced to flee Syria and live in tented refugee camps for over 18 months now, maybe the people of Syria and that region won't look at the West with such disrespect or hatred.
I just really hope that the people of America can make their voices heard.
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Sept 2, 2013 16:15:36 GMT 1
Syria, by Happy Shopper on Sept 2, 2013 16:15:36 GMT 1, Halliburton's not the biggest company, but it's amongst many companies doing "rebuilding" in countries with strong links to US Government.
For example, Dick Cheney was head of Halliburton 1995 - 2000... They're a large reason he's as rich as he is. Make your own mind up about whether they might get good treatment.
I admit I find it hard to believe that people could start wars purely to make money from them (that would be properly evil!), but you do have to wonder why these wars are fought on such flimsy evidence.
Halliburton's not the biggest company, but it's amongst many companies doing "rebuilding" in countries with strong links to US Government.
For example, Dick Cheney was head of Halliburton 1995 - 2000... They're a large reason he's as rich as he is. Make your own mind up about whether they might get good treatment.
I admit I find it hard to believe that people could start wars purely to make money from them (that would be properly evil!), but you do have to wonder why these wars are fought on such flimsy evidence.
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Sept 2, 2013 16:25:34 GMT 1
Syria, by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 16:25:34 GMT 1, Halliburton's not the biggest company, but it's amongst many companies doing "rebuilding" in countries with strong links to US Government. For example, Dick Cheney was head of Halliburton 1995 - 2000... They're a large reason he's as rich as he is. Make your own mind up about whether they might get good treatment. I admit I find it hard to believe that people could start wars purely to make money from them (that would be properly evil!), but you do have to wonder why these wars are fought on such flimsy evidence.
Tax payers fund these operations and the money is passed onto private companies.
I don't think Syria is wanting to be controlled for the same reasons as Iraq but the US wants a regime change just the same.
It is not about civilian deaths be it by gas bombs guns or knives.
Halliburton's not the biggest company, but it's amongst many companies doing "rebuilding" in countries with strong links to US Government. For example, Dick Cheney was head of Halliburton 1995 - 2000... They're a large reason he's as rich as he is. Make your own mind up about whether they might get good treatment. I admit I find it hard to believe that people could start wars purely to make money from them (that would be properly evil!), but you do have to wonder why these wars are fought on such flimsy evidence. It's all about the redistribution of wealth and the control of a very important part of the planet. Tax payers fund these operations and the money is passed onto private companies. I don't think Syria is wanting to be controlled for the same reasons as Iraq but the US wants a regime change just the same. It is not about civilian deaths be it by gas bombs guns or knives. |
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Sept 2, 2013 16:29:51 GMT 1
Syria, by dreadnatty on Sept 2, 2013 16:29:51 GMT 1, Halliburton's not the biggest company, but it's amongst many companies doing "rebuilding" in countries with strong links to US Government. For example, Dick Cheney was head of Halliburton 1995 - 2000... They're a large reason he's as rich as he is. Make your own mind up about whether they might get good treatment. I admit I find it hard to believe that people could start wars purely to make money from them (that would be properly evil!), but you do have to wonder why these wars are fought on such flimsy evidence.
Bill Clinton net worth -->$80m -->http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/bill-clinton-net-worth/. He get between $170k and $700k per speech
The 50 Richest Members of the 112th Congress -- www.rollcall.com/50richest/the-50-richest-members-of-congress-112th-2012.html
Ted Kennedy --- $49m
John Kerry --$ 194m
Hillary Clinton --$21m
just as easy to make $$$$ giving speeches or running the Clinton Initiative. ALL these pols make $$$$ left,right, and center - thats why they got into the biz. Term limits might help solve the problem a little.
Halliburton's not the biggest company, but it's amongst many companies doing "rebuilding" in countries with strong links to US Government. For example, Dick Cheney was head of Halliburton 1995 - 2000... They're a large reason he's as rich as he is. Make your own mind up about whether they might get good treatment. I admit I find it hard to believe that people could start wars purely to make money from them (that would be properly evil!), but you do have to wonder why these wars are fought on such flimsy evidence. Dick Cheney net worth $90m -->http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/republicans/dick-cheney-net-worth/ Bill Clinton net worth -->$80m -->http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/bill-clinton-net-worth/. He get between $170k and $700k per speech The 50 Richest Members of the 112th Congress -- www.rollcall.com/50richest/the-50-richest-members-of-congress-112th-2012.htmlTed Kennedy --- $49m John Kerry --$ 194m Hillary Clinton --$21m just as easy to make $$$$ giving speeches or running the Clinton Initiative. ALL these pols make $$$$ left,right, and center - thats why they got into the biz. Term limits might help solve the problem a little. |
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Sept 2, 2013 16:49:31 GMT 1
Syria, by Happy Shopper on Sept 2, 2013 16:49:31 GMT 1, I'm not sure what the point of posting what they all earn is, the point is where their wealth comes from.
Cheney's is from Halliburton, apparently.
That kind of thing makes me and many people suspicious of motives for political decisions that effect these big companies.
I'm not sure what the point of posting what they all earn is, the point is where their wealth comes from.
Cheney's is from Halliburton, apparently.
That kind of thing makes me and many people suspicious of motives for political decisions that effect these big companies.
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Sept 2, 2013 18:13:59 GMT 1
Syria, by searchandrescue on Sept 2, 2013 18:13:59 GMT 1, Thank for the link Happymeal, appreciated. Struggle to see how attacking Syria is in our (UK) national interest or our sphere of influence. But hey, since when has that stopped any colonial western power interfering in some far flung corner of the globe under the pretext of the war on terror / communism / humanitarian disaster etc This looks to be no different.
Thank for the link Happymeal, appreciated. Struggle to see how attacking Syria is in our (UK) national interest or our sphere of influence. But hey, since when has that stopped any colonial western power interfering in some far flung corner of the globe under the pretext of the war on terror / communism / humanitarian disaster etc This looks to be no different.
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Sept 2, 2013 19:23:03 GMT 1
Syria, by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 19:23:03 GMT 1, Thank for the link Happymeal, appreciated. Struggle to see how attacking Syria is in our (UK) national interest or our sphere of influence. But hey, since when has that stopped any colonial western power interfering in some far flung corner of the globe under the pretext of the war on terror / communism / humanitarian disaster etc This looks to be no different.
If for no other reason, and I'm sure there are others, it is important to the UK to be a good friend if not the best friend of America due to their status.
The Syrian conflict is so complicated now that you could name 10 good reasons for going to war if you wanted to.
Unless you believe that war is hell and should be avoided at all costs.
Thank for the link Happymeal, appreciated. Struggle to see how attacking Syria is in our (UK) national interest or our sphere of influence. But hey, since when has that stopped any colonial western power interfering in some far flung corner of the globe under the pretext of the war on terror / communism / humanitarian disaster etc This looks to be no different. It is becoming much more commonly known, and recognised now, that The United States (and their ideologies) is the world's dominant Empire currently. If for no other reason, and I'm sure there are others, it is important to the UK to be a good friend if not the best friend of America due to their status. The Syrian conflict is so complicated now that you could name 10 good reasons for going to war if you wanted to. Unless you believe that war is hell and should be avoided at all costs. |
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Sept 2, 2013 22:54:49 GMT 1
Syria, by jlee on Sept 2, 2013 22:54:49 GMT 1, "I agree that any chemical attack, particularly one that kills civilians, is horrible and horrendous. All deaths in war and violence are terrible and should be condemned. But why are a few hundred killed by chemical attack any worse or more deserving of US bombs than the 100,000 already killed in the conflict? Why do these few hundred allegedly killed by Assad count any more than the estimated 1,000 Christians in Syria killed by US allies on the other side? Why is it any worse to be killed by poison gas than to have your head chopped off by the US allied radical Islamists, as has happened to a number of Christian priests and bishops in Syria? For that matter, why are the few hundred civilians killed in Syria by a chemical weapon any worse than the 2000-3000 who have been killed by Obama's drone strikes in Pakistan? Does it really make a difference whether a civilian is killed by poison gas or by drone missile or dull knife?" Ron Paul yesterday.Right on the money, yet these questions are not being asked in the mainstream media;all I hear are the beating of War Drums. Whats your stance on these comments dreadnatty? Don't hear you getting all flustered when US drones kill innocent civilians 11,000km's away in Afghan/Pakistan, so wondered why you feel so strongly about Syria? Could it be your falling hook, line and sinker for the rhetoric?
"I agree that any chemical attack, particularly one that kills civilians, is horrible and horrendous. All deaths in war and violence are terrible and should be condemned. But why are a few hundred killed by chemical attack any worse or more deserving of US bombs than the 100,000 already killed in the conflict? Why do these few hundred allegedly killed by Assad count any more than the estimated 1,000 Christians in Syria killed by US allies on the other side? Why is it any worse to be killed by poison gas than to have your head chopped off by the US allied radical Islamists, as has happened to a number of Christian priests and bishops in Syria? For that matter, why are the few hundred civilians killed in Syria by a chemical weapon any worse than the 2000-3000 who have been killed by Obama's drone strikes in Pakistan? Does it really make a difference whether a civilian is killed by poison gas or by drone missile or dull knife?" Ron Paul yesterday.Right on the money, yet these questions are not being asked in the mainstream media;all I hear are the beating of War Drums. Whats your stance on these comments dreadnatty? Don't hear you getting all flustered when US drones kill innocent civilians 11,000km's away in Afghan/Pakistan, so wondered why you feel so strongly about Syria? Could it be your falling hook, line and sinker for the rhetoric? This argument is powerful rhetoric to dissuade because it puts the point of view on the individual. When one is dead, then it doesnt really matter how they die because they are dead. One can suffer just as much, maybe more, having their limbs blown off as they would exposure to chemicals. That's what I envision when the subject is approached from that angle. But it is the potential scope of killing that should be the issue being debated. Would one argue that dying by atomic bomb is no different than dying by a mortar attack (conventional bomb)? No, because to die by an atomic bomb means that thousands of people near you also have died. The lethality of a chemical attack is logically much more than a mortar, in that the given kill radius is much greater, thus there is decreased specificity. So the question is where would you (people, not specifically you) draw the line? |
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Sept 3, 2013 0:01:05 GMT 1
Syria, by dreadnatty on Sept 3, 2013 0:01:05 GMT 1, "I agree that any chemical attack, particularly one that kills civilians, is horrible and horrendous. All deaths in war and violence are terrible and should be condemned. But why are a few hundred killed by chemical attack any worse or more deserving of US bombs than the 100,000 already killed in the conflict? Why do these few hundred allegedly killed by Assad count any more than the estimated 1,000 Christians in Syria killed by US allies on the other side? Why is it any worse to be killed by poison gas than to have your head chopped off by the US allied radical Islamists, as has happened to a number of Christian priests and bishops in Syria? For that matter, why are the few hundred civilians killed in Syria by a chemical weapon any worse than the 2000-3000 who have been killed by Obama's drone strikes in Pakistan? Does it really make a difference whether a civilian is killed by poison gas or by drone missile or dull knife?" Ron Paul yesterday.Right on the money, yet these questions are not being asked in the mainstream media;all I hear are the beating of War Drums. Whats your stance on these comments dreadnatty? Don't hear you getting all flustered when US drones kill innocent civilians 11,000km's away in Afghan/Pakistan, so wondered why you feel so strongly about Syria? Could it be your falling hook, line and sinker for the rhetoric?
First of all, im NOT for going to war in Syria, at this stage it would seems pointless - Assad falls and most probably in comes Al Qaida. Bad news for the common people either way. Ask me 30 months ago when the opposition was not Al Qaida backed and i might have a different answer. Assad and the Alawite minority (12%)have been oppressing the majority Sunnis (and Christians) for decades - I wouldve been for getting rid of Assad backed regime then but alas it is too late. I like most people are against war/military action in most situations but there are times when it is necessary. As for the Drone policy - I am also against this for 99% of the time as (1)they kill innocents and (2)one cannot gather intelligence from dead terrorists. Perhaps this is why US intelligence and many others are often wrong - they dont have any people too interrogate if they are all killed.
Many in here are completely anti-war. I am not. IMO there are times when the only way to solve problem is miliatary action(WW2 as an example). Im not one for isolationism. How does this help anybody? Just look at Africa - its a complete mess. Just as many in here are completely anti-right, they site many far left/conspiracy websites/articles/videos like they are any different from the far right. Far Left IMO is just as bad as far right to me yet in here it seems like gospel.
I realize that im in a very small minority in the forum and I hope I answered your question.
"I agree that any chemical attack, particularly one that kills civilians, is horrible and horrendous. All deaths in war and violence are terrible and should be condemned. But why are a few hundred killed by chemical attack any worse or more deserving of US bombs than the 100,000 already killed in the conflict? Why do these few hundred allegedly killed by Assad count any more than the estimated 1,000 Christians in Syria killed by US allies on the other side? Why is it any worse to be killed by poison gas than to have your head chopped off by the US allied radical Islamists, as has happened to a number of Christian priests and bishops in Syria? For that matter, why are the few hundred civilians killed in Syria by a chemical weapon any worse than the 2000-3000 who have been killed by Obama's drone strikes in Pakistan? Does it really make a difference whether a civilian is killed by poison gas or by drone missile or dull knife?" Ron Paul yesterday.Right on the money, yet these questions are not being asked in the mainstream media;all I hear are the beating of War Drums. Whats your stance on these comments dreadnatty? Don't hear you getting all flustered when US drones kill innocent civilians 11,000km's away in Afghan/Pakistan, so wondered why you feel so strongly about Syria? Could it be your falling hook, line and sinker for the rhetoric? First of all, im NOT for going to war in Syria, at this stage it would seems pointless - Assad falls and most probably in comes Al Qaida. Bad news for the common people either way. Ask me 30 months ago when the opposition was not Al Qaida backed and i might have a different answer. Assad and the Alawite minority (12%)have been oppressing the majority Sunnis (and Christians) for decades - I wouldve been for getting rid of Assad backed regime then but alas it is too late. I like most people are against war/military action in most situations but there are times when it is necessary. As for the Drone policy - I am also against this for 99% of the time as (1)they kill innocents and (2)one cannot gather intelligence from dead terrorists. Perhaps this is why US intelligence and many others are often wrong - they dont have any people too interrogate if they are all killed. Many in here are completely anti-war. I am not. IMO there are times when the only way to solve problem is miliatary action(WW2 as an example). Im not one for isolationism. How does this help anybody? Just look at Africa - its a complete mess. Just as many in here are completely anti-right, they site many far left/conspiracy websites/articles/videos like they are any different from the far right. Far Left IMO is just as bad as far right to me yet in here it seems like gospel. I realize that im in a very small minority in the forum and I hope I answered your question. |
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Sept 3, 2013 8:26:31 GMT 1
Syria, by johnnyh on Sept 3, 2013 8:26:31 GMT 1, "What has one of the most democratic countries of the Middle East, Syria, done to tick off some of its neighbors in the West, the fierce fighters for democracy? "
That is he opening line of the quoted article not sure who they are but....would not suggest that they are a good guide basis for information if you want some form of balanced view.
think there are many reasons here for the strikes noting I do not think that there is any intention or possibility of a ground invasion etc. also understand the reasons for not striking as well.
key issues are the US/euro. China/Russia relationships over this v the Syrian people being chemically gassed by its own leader. As bands as the US and UK were over Iraq do not think this is about gas,powere etc its more about the chems and the future use by others.
Not sure of the solution and where this might end but think that Assad is a major problem here. Who replaces him etc will be a massive issue due to the number of differences and divisions in the country many religiously based. I have been there a few times and met some lovely people so its a terrible shame this is happening although not that surprising once the Arab Spring started.
"What has one of the most democratic countries of the Middle East, Syria, done to tick off some of its neighbors in the West, the fierce fighters for democracy? " That is he opening line of the quoted article not sure who they are but....would not suggest that they are a good guide basis for information if you want some form of balanced view. think there are many reasons here for the strikes noting I do not think that there is any intention or possibility of a ground invasion etc. also understand the reasons for not striking as well. key issues are the US/euro. China/Russia relationships over this v the Syrian people being chemically gassed by its own leader. As bands as the US and UK were over Iraq do not think this is about gas,powere etc its more about the chems and the future use by others. Not sure of the solution and where this might end but think that Assad is a major problem here. Who replaces him etc will be a massive issue due to the number of differences and divisions in the country many religiously based. I have been there a few times and met some lovely people so its a terrible shame this is happening although not that surprising once the Arab Spring started. |
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