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Syria, by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 11:35:51 GMT 1, Anyone else getting that feeling of deja vu? If you haven't already seen these please make the time to do so. They should be shown in schools.
Anyone else getting that feeling of deja vu? If you haven't already seen these please make the time to do so. They should be shown in schools.
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Syria, by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 0:23:48 GMT 1, I hope this post might help a few members who care or are interested in what is going on in Syria. It rambles a bit and is a very basic history. It's the civilians that are always the most horribly effected.
Please take a few minutes to give it a read SYRIA
Ancient Syria was made up of what we now call Lebanon, The Palestinian Territories, Israel, Jordan, Syria and most of Iraq. The Roman Empire had one of their greatest cities in Syria due to the great wealth of that area.
Damascus is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on Earth
In 300AD Christianity began under the Romans and the locals were forced to convert. For centuries Syria was the centre of the Christian world.
In 600AD Islam arrived in Syria and within 40 years had overthrown Christianity as the main religion.
In the 11th century the Crusades began in the hope that Christians could regain control of the 'Holy Lands'. During the 200 year time frame of the Crusades, Muslims had fought amongst themselves as well, but in 1187 a great Arab leader Saladin reunited Greater Syria and the Muslims retook Jerusalem from the Christians. Saladin to this day is a great hero of many Muslims and especially Syrians because he threw out the invading West and retook Jerusalem. Saladin was a Sunni Muslim.
From the 13th century up until World War I Syria fell first into the Egyptian and then the Ottoman Empires.
When World War I kicked off, Syria was part of the Ottoman Empire who were allied with Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empires. The British recruited rebel Arab fighters to help beat the Turks. Prince Faisal, the leader of these rebels was promised Syria by the British for his help, but Britain had already promised Syria to France in a secret agreement to carve up the Middle East between them after the war. The French crushed Faisal's Arab Nationalists and broke up Syria.The French created Greater Lebanon to give to their Christian allies and started taxing Syrians highly.
In 1925 there was a Syrian Revolution against the French's poor treatment of Syrians, but the French did what Assad is doing now and over a 2 year brutal crackdown the French regained control. The Arab Nationalists in Syria were Sunni Muslims and they never took to French rule. The French enlisted the Alawite Arabs within Syria to keep the dissident Sunni's in order and that's what gave the Alawites the springboard to the power that they still hold today.
In the distant past, Sunni Muslims have seen the Alawite Arab tribe as more heretical than Jews and Christians so have brutally persecuted these Alawite's. In the 14th century, Sunni's slaughtered 20 thousand Alawhite's and they had to flee to the hills of the Syria/Lebanon boarder that they still inhabit today. Alawites are Shia Muslims.
In 1946, after World War 2, Alawites were at the heart of the new Independant State of Syria, and in this new Independant State the country was racked with turmoil. Sunni's still dominated the government.
Hafez-al-Assad was a young activist and member of new Arab socialist movement within Islam called Ba'athism. They wanted a secular united Middle East. Hafez joined the military and completed his pilot training in the USSR.He began plotting with other Ba'athists to take over control of Syria which was still plagued by instability. In 1963 he was part of a coup that took control.This coup was mainly Ba'athists who ousted the Sunni Government. Turmoil still continued in Syria so in 1970 Hafez-al-Assad himself mounted another coup and took control Of Syria.
Most Syrians, tired of the continuous instability and turmoil since Independence welcomed a strong leader. Even if he was an Alawite. Assad cracked down on any opposition and created an oppressive police state to accomplish stability. He also protected minority communities within Syria like the Kurds and Christians and opened many schools, allowing women to be educated.
When Hafez was young and becoming part of the Arab Ba'ath movement he had a few personal battles with another fairly new Muslim movement. 'The Muslim Brotherhood'. The Muslim Brotherhood are Sunni Muslins who wanted a strict Islamic state in Syria and not the secular society of the Ba'athists.
During the late 1970s and early 80s the Brotherhood started a terror campaign against minorities within Syria and even attempted to assassinate Assad. In 1982, in the Syrian city of Hama ( a Muslim Brotherhood stronghold) the Brotherhood waged a full scale rebellion.They killed dozens of Ba'athist officials and police stations were over run. Hama was declared 'liberated' by the Brotherhood. Hafez-al-Assad cracked down in brutal fashion.20 thousand people were killed in Hama and most of the city destroyed. In Damascus, Assad celebrated the victory over the Brotherhood with a parade and over the next 30 years The Muslim Brotherhood were firmly held down and suppressed.
Hafez-al-Assad died in 2000 and later that year his son Bashar-al-Assad won the Presidential election of which he was the only candidate.
Bashar-al-Assad was the second born son of Hafez-al-Assad. In 1994 Bashar was in London doing postgraduate studies in ophthalmology when his elder brother, and heir apparent, Bassel died in a car accident so Bashar was recalled to Syria and began being groomed for power. When Bashar took over leadership from his father it was initially thought he would be a potential reformer. He did however just continue strict control of his opponents and the economic reforms he did introduce slightly benefited the Syrian middle class and greatly benefited very few people with Assad connections ie Alawites. Between 2000 and 2010 Syria suffered a major drought which severely affected it's crucial agriculture sector. This rural poverty combined with a large population growth meant Syria's cities were filling up with many unemployed and disillusioned citizens .
In 2010 the 'Arab Spring' started to sweep through the area. In 2011, revolution started in Syria and Assad started to crack down on it.
Syria has an estimated population of 23 million people. Alawites make up approximately 12% of the population. Christians make up approximately 10%. Sunni's make up approximately 65%
I hope this post might help a few members who care or are interested in what is going on in Syria. It rambles a bit and is a very basic history. It's the civilians that are always the most horribly effected.
Please take a few minutes to give it a read SYRIA
Ancient Syria was made up of what we now call Lebanon, The Palestinian Territories, Israel, Jordan, Syria and most of Iraq. The Roman Empire had one of their greatest cities in Syria due to the great wealth of that area.
Damascus is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on Earth
In 300AD Christianity began under the Romans and the locals were forced to convert. For centuries Syria was the centre of the Christian world.
In 600AD Islam arrived in Syria and within 40 years had overthrown Christianity as the main religion.
In the 11th century the Crusades began in the hope that Christians could regain control of the 'Holy Lands'. During the 200 year time frame of the Crusades, Muslims had fought amongst themselves as well, but in 1187 a great Arab leader Saladin reunited Greater Syria and the Muslims retook Jerusalem from the Christians. Saladin to this day is a great hero of many Muslims and especially Syrians because he threw out the invading West and retook Jerusalem. Saladin was a Sunni Muslim.
From the 13th century up until World War I Syria fell first into the Egyptian and then the Ottoman Empires.
When World War I kicked off, Syria was part of the Ottoman Empire who were allied with Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empires. The British recruited rebel Arab fighters to help beat the Turks. Prince Faisal, the leader of these rebels was promised Syria by the British for his help, but Britain had already promised Syria to France in a secret agreement to carve up the Middle East between them after the war. The French crushed Faisal's Arab Nationalists and broke up Syria.The French created Greater Lebanon to give to their Christian allies and started taxing Syrians highly.
In 1925 there was a Syrian Revolution against the French's poor treatment of Syrians, but the French did what Assad is doing now and over a 2 year brutal crackdown the French regained control. The Arab Nationalists in Syria were Sunni Muslims and they never took to French rule. The French enlisted the Alawite Arabs within Syria to keep the dissident Sunni's in order and that's what gave the Alawites the springboard to the power that they still hold today.
In the distant past, Sunni Muslims have seen the Alawite Arab tribe as more heretical than Jews and Christians so have brutally persecuted these Alawite's. In the 14th century, Sunni's slaughtered 20 thousand Alawhite's and they had to flee to the hills of the Syria/Lebanon boarder that they still inhabit today. Alawites are Shia Muslims.
In 1946, after World War 2, Alawites were at the heart of the new Independant State of Syria, and in this new Independant State the country was racked with turmoil. Sunni's still dominated the government.
Hafez-al-Assad was a young activist and member of new Arab socialist movement within Islam called Ba'athism. They wanted a secular united Middle East. Hafez joined the military and completed his pilot training in the USSR.He began plotting with other Ba'athists to take over control of Syria which was still plagued by instability. In 1963 he was part of a coup that took control.This coup was mainly Ba'athists who ousted the Sunni Government. Turmoil still continued in Syria so in 1970 Hafez-al-Assad himself mounted another coup and took control Of Syria.
Most Syrians, tired of the continuous instability and turmoil since Independence welcomed a strong leader. Even if he was an Alawite. Assad cracked down on any opposition and created an oppressive police state to accomplish stability. He also protected minority communities within Syria like the Kurds and Christians and opened many schools, allowing women to be educated.
When Hafez was young and becoming part of the Arab Ba'ath movement he had a few personal battles with another fairly new Muslim movement. 'The Muslim Brotherhood'. The Muslim Brotherhood are Sunni Muslins who wanted a strict Islamic state in Syria and not the secular society of the Ba'athists.
During the late 1970s and early 80s the Brotherhood started a terror campaign against minorities within Syria and even attempted to assassinate Assad. In 1982, in the Syrian city of Hama ( a Muslim Brotherhood stronghold) the Brotherhood waged a full scale rebellion.They killed dozens of Ba'athist officials and police stations were over run. Hama was declared 'liberated' by the Brotherhood. Hafez-al-Assad cracked down in brutal fashion.20 thousand people were killed in Hama and most of the city destroyed. In Damascus, Assad celebrated the victory over the Brotherhood with a parade and over the next 30 years The Muslim Brotherhood were firmly held down and suppressed.
Hafez-al-Assad died in 2000 and later that year his son Bashar-al-Assad won the Presidential election of which he was the only candidate.
Bashar-al-Assad was the second born son of Hafez-al-Assad. In 1994 Bashar was in London doing postgraduate studies in ophthalmology when his elder brother, and heir apparent, Bassel died in a car accident so Bashar was recalled to Syria and began being groomed for power. When Bashar took over leadership from his father it was initially thought he would be a potential reformer. He did however just continue strict control of his opponents and the economic reforms he did introduce slightly benefited the Syrian middle class and greatly benefited very few people with Assad connections ie Alawites. Between 2000 and 2010 Syria suffered a major drought which severely affected it's crucial agriculture sector. This rural poverty combined with a large population growth meant Syria's cities were filling up with many unemployed and disillusioned citizens .
In 2010 the 'Arab Spring' started to sweep through the area. In 2011, revolution started in Syria and Assad started to crack down on it.
Syria has an estimated population of 23 million people. Alawites make up approximately 12% of the population. Christians make up approximately 10%. Sunni's make up approximately 65%
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Syria, by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 1:30:14 GMT 1, it was slightly shocking but heartening to see the UK parliament vote against military action, I just hope now the US too decides on a differing approach. Perhaps one that is legal and minimises the death of innoncents?
it was slightly shocking but heartening to see the UK parliament vote against military action, I just hope now the US too decides on a differing approach. Perhaps one that is legal and minimises the death of innoncents?
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Syria, by gravity1 on Aug 30, 2013 3:04:18 GMT 1, This post by Artist Sarah Sandin pretty much summed it up for me.
it was slightly shocking but heartening to see the UK parliament vote against military action, I just hope now the US too decides on a differing approach. Perhaps one that is legal and minimises the death of innoncents?
This post by Artist Sarah Sandin pretty much summed it up for me. it was slightly shocking but heartening to see the UK parliament vote against military action, I just hope now the US too decides on a differing approach. Perhaps one that is legal and minimises the death of innoncents?
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Aug 30, 2013 3:10:14 GMT 1
Syria, by dreadnatty on Aug 30, 2013 3:10:14 GMT 1, it was slightly shocking but heartening to see the UK parliament vote against military action, I just hope now the US too decides on a differing approach. Perhaps one that is legal and minimises the death of innoncents? What would the 'legal' approach be? Complete approval by the UN big shots - we all know that will never happen as somebody(Russia/China) will veto. Meanwhile, its seems as if its 'ok' to use chemical weapons on said innocents. Total clusterfuck.
it was slightly shocking but heartening to see the UK parliament vote against military action, I just hope now the US too decides on a differing approach. Perhaps one that is legal and minimises the death of innoncents? What would the 'legal' approach be? Complete approval by the UN big shots - we all know that will never happen as somebody(Russia/China) will veto. Meanwhile, its seems as if its 'ok' to use chemical weapons on said innocents. Total clusterfuck.
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Syria, by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 3:26:58 GMT 1, I don't propose to have any definitive solution - sorry - I do know however know that bombing raids tend to have very little constructive effect, other than in the minds of those who think this is how you solve the worlds problems.
I don't propose to have any definitive solution - sorry - I do know however know that bombing raids tend to have very little constructive effect, other than in the minds of those who think this is how you solve the worlds problems.
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Aug 30, 2013 3:43:10 GMT 1
Syria, by dreadnatty on Aug 30, 2013 3:43:10 GMT 1, I don't propose to have any definitive solution - sorry - I do know however know that bombing raids tend to have very little constructive effect, other than in the minds of those who think this is how you solve the worlds problems. Agree. (Random) bombing raids might not be the best solution,but no solution in this scenario is going to be 'ideal'. There seem to be only 2 choices here IMO and neither one that palatable: (1) military action of some sort or (2) nothing, and it would seem that #2 is what is going to happen. If thats the way the majority feel, then that's 'fine' but people should not look back months/years later and harp that 'nobody did anything' while thousands(potentially many more) were gased with chemical weapons(not implying that you stated this)
I don't propose to have any definitive solution - sorry - I do know however know that bombing raids tend to have very little constructive effect, other than in the minds of those who think this is how you solve the worlds problems. Agree. (Random) bombing raids might not be the best solution,but no solution in this scenario is going to be 'ideal'. There seem to be only 2 choices here IMO and neither one that palatable: (1) military action of some sort or (2) nothing, and it would seem that #2 is what is going to happen. If thats the way the majority feel, then that's 'fine' but people should not look back months/years later and harp that 'nobody did anything' while thousands(potentially many more) were gased with chemical weapons(not implying that you stated this)
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Aug 30, 2013 8:07:32 GMT 1
Syria, by misterx on Aug 30, 2013 8:07:32 GMT 1, what if, as the Russian and Syrian govts, argue,the nerve gas was released by the "rebels"(having been supplied by the West), knowing full well that Obama had stated that Chemical weapons were the Red line which could trigger US "intervention"??
Why would the Syrians use chemical weapons a day or so after the UN chemical weapons inspectors had arrived? They waited till the inspectors got there? The US used chemical weapons in Iraq as well as DU. Israel loves using chemical weapons on civilians. Not a peep. Can somebody show me the evidence that the Syrian Govt did this because thus far I havent seen any proof whatsoever. The solution for me is for the West to stop backing all this Arab spring BS under the guise of democracy.
Not a popular sentiment I am sure....but to be clear I am not pro-Assad, I'm pro-humanity. Bombing raids dont kill the baddies.They normally kill people like you and I who just want to mind their own business, bring up their kids, be successful in their careers etc.
This whole thing makes me soooo sad.
what if, as the Russian and Syrian govts, argue,the nerve gas was released by the "rebels"(having been supplied by the West), knowing full well that Obama had stated that Chemical weapons were the Red line which could trigger US "intervention"??
Why would the Syrians use chemical weapons a day or so after the UN chemical weapons inspectors had arrived? They waited till the inspectors got there? The US used chemical weapons in Iraq as well as DU. Israel loves using chemical weapons on civilians. Not a peep. Can somebody show me the evidence that the Syrian Govt did this because thus far I havent seen any proof whatsoever. The solution for me is for the West to stop backing all this Arab spring BS under the guise of democracy.
Not a popular sentiment I am sure....but to be clear I am not pro-Assad, I'm pro-humanity. Bombing raids dont kill the baddies.They normally kill people like you and I who just want to mind their own business, bring up their kids, be successful in their careers etc.
This whole thing makes me soooo sad.
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Aug 30, 2013 8:52:07 GMT 1
Syria, by Dr Plip on Aug 30, 2013 8:52:07 GMT 1, what if, as the Russian and Syrian govts, argue,the nerve gas was released by the "rebels"(having been supplied by the West), knowing full well that Obama had stated that Chemical weapons were the Red line which could trigger US "intervention"?? Why would the Syrians use chemical weapons a day or so after the UN chemical weapons inspectors had arrived? They waited till the inspectors got there? The US used chemical weapons in Iraq as well as DU. Israel loves using chemical weapons on civilians. Not a peep. Can somebody show me the evidence that the Syrian Govt did this because thus far I havent seen any proof whatsoever. The solution for me is for the West to stop backing all this Arab spring BS under the guise of democracy. Not a popular sentiment I am sure....but to be clear I am not pro-Assad, I'm pro-humanity. Bombing raids dont kill the baddies.They normally kill people like you and I who just want to mind their own business, bring up their kids, be successful in their careers etc. This whole thing makes me soooo sad. That's the shitty thing about conflicts. The average person just wants to get by. Doesn't want to kill anyone, wants to make a living, feed their family, etc.
It's the ones that seek power and resources that mess it up for the rest of us.
Personally, never mind the governments, I'm surprised that arms manufacturers don't travel the world, instigating wars and stirring up armed conflicts. How hard would it be for them to launch a chemical attack and then sell weapons to all sides?
what if, as the Russian and Syrian govts, argue,the nerve gas was released by the "rebels"(having been supplied by the West), knowing full well that Obama had stated that Chemical weapons were the Red line which could trigger US "intervention"?? Why would the Syrians use chemical weapons a day or so after the UN chemical weapons inspectors had arrived? They waited till the inspectors got there? The US used chemical weapons in Iraq as well as DU. Israel loves using chemical weapons on civilians. Not a peep. Can somebody show me the evidence that the Syrian Govt did this because thus far I havent seen any proof whatsoever. The solution for me is for the West to stop backing all this Arab spring BS under the guise of democracy. Not a popular sentiment I am sure....but to be clear I am not pro-Assad, I'm pro-humanity. Bombing raids dont kill the baddies.They normally kill people like you and I who just want to mind their own business, bring up their kids, be successful in their careers etc. This whole thing makes me soooo sad. That's the shitty thing about conflicts. The average person just wants to get by. Doesn't want to kill anyone, wants to make a living, feed their family, etc. It's the ones that seek power and resources that mess it up for the rest of us. Personally, never mind the governments, I'm surprised that arms manufacturers don't travel the world, instigating wars and stirring up armed conflicts. How hard would it be for them to launch a chemical attack and then sell weapons to all sides?
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Syria, by johnnyh on Aug 30, 2013 8:53:41 GMT 1, Wow MX they are some weird views. I have no great solution for the problem but saying it was the rebels or the Americans using chem weapons seems a little left of centre for me.
Assad is ne bad MF and has been for a long long time. I am no lover of war and bombs etc but he should be taken out in my view.
Civilian casualties would be few due to promise bombing high media profile though but certainly no worse than Assad and his regime who are the lowest of the low
Wow MX they are some weird views. I have no great solution for the problem but saying it was the rebels or the Americans using chem weapons seems a little left of centre for me.
Assad is ne bad MF and has been for a long long time. I am no lover of war and bombs etc but he should be taken out in my view.
Civilian casualties would be few due to promise bombing high media profile though but certainly no worse than Assad and his regime who are the lowest of the low
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Syria, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Aug 30, 2013 8:57:48 GMT 1, Why do the US always intervene (and drag uk/Australia etc in) leave the russians or Chinese sort them out. What do the Americans who post on here think? I mean there are $54m people on food stamps in the US, cities going bankrupt,sky high unemployment, printing $10 trillion to help economy which will never get paid back. Then I read today they spend $56billon per year on intelligence (spying), f**king paranoid crazyness.. And now they will spend more billions on sorting syria out?? use that money to take guns of their kids and stop the killing thier own people in their own schools/cities, f**k syria...They need to sort themselves out first before other countries...
Why do the US always intervene (and drag uk/Australia etc in) leave the russians or Chinese sort them out. What do the Americans who post on here think? I mean there are $54m people on food stamps in the US, cities going bankrupt,sky high unemployment, printing $10 trillion to help economy which will never get paid back. Then I read today they spend $56billon per year on intelligence (spying), f**king paranoid crazyness.. And now they will spend more billions on sorting syria out?? use that money to take guns of their kids and stop the killing thier own people in their own schools/cities, f**k syria...They need to sort themselves out first before other countries...
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Syria, by misterx on Aug 30, 2013 9:13:02 GMT 1, Egypt mows down over 1000 civilians peacefully protesting a coup(but dont use those words...) and the US asks for restraint....but with Syria they are prepared to go to war?
Egypt mows down over 1000 civilians peacefully protesting a coup(but dont use those words...) and the US asks for restraint....but with Syria they are prepared to go to war?
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Syria, by Dr Plip on Aug 30, 2013 9:36:17 GMT 1, Egypt mows down over 1000 civilians peacefully protesting a coup(but dont use those words...) and the US asks for restraint....but with Syria they are prepared to go to war? Egypt currently has 63 McDonald's food outlets. As of this date, Syria has 0.
Egypt mows down over 1000 civilians peacefully protesting a coup(but dont use those words...) and the US asks for restraint....but with Syria they are prepared to go to war? Egypt currently has 63 McDonald's food outlets. As of this date, Syria has 0.
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Aug 30, 2013 9:39:59 GMT 1
Syria, by sal on Aug 30, 2013 9:39:59 GMT 1, Egypt mows down over 1000 civilians peacefully protesting a coup(but dont use those words...) and the US asks for restraint....but with Syria they are prepared to go to war? Egypt currently has 63 McDonald's food outlets. As of this date, Syria has 0. ^ What a GREAT way to sum up what's happening!
Egypt mows down over 1000 civilians peacefully protesting a coup(but dont use those words...) and the US asks for restraint....but with Syria they are prepared to go to war? Egypt currently has 63 McDonald's food outlets. As of this date, Syria has 0. ^ What a GREAT way to sum up what's happening!
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Syria, by balibob on Aug 30, 2013 9:51:27 GMT 1, Fcuked up isn't it? and everyone seems to make 1 or 2 good points even if I disagree with a lot of the comments and standpoints, but seriously, this is somehow connected to McDonalds?. Perhaps that was a humorous aside about a subject that has nothing to laugh about. Shakes head and reaches for the Vodka.
Fcuked up isn't it? and everyone seems to make 1 or 2 good points even if I disagree with a lot of the comments and standpoints, but seriously, this is somehow connected to McDonalds?. Perhaps that was a humorous aside about a subject that has nothing to laugh about. Shakes head and reaches for the Vodka.
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Syria, by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 10:04:05 GMT 1, What can an ordinary person do to help in some way?, what can we do?,can someone here say please?. Seems protesting and sending emails and letters to the relevant people (all of which would probably be ignored anyhow) all take time and thats not a luxury that people there have at present, how many people there or in any other wartorn country are killed or injured in the time it takes for us to have a second cup of coffee?.
The world stinks sometimes, the Human race is beyond understanding, i despair.
What can an ordinary person do to help in some way?, what can we do?,can someone here say please?. Seems protesting and sending emails and letters to the relevant people (all of which would probably be ignored anyhow) all take time and thats not a luxury that people there have at present, how many people there or in any other wartorn country are killed or injured in the time it takes for us to have a second cup of coffee?.
The world stinks sometimes, the Human race is beyond understanding, i despair.
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Syria, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Aug 30, 2013 10:11:56 GMT 1, Egypt mows down over 1000 civilians peacefully protesting a coup(but dont use those words...) and the US asks for restraint....but with Syria they are prepared to go to war? Egypt currently has 63 McDonald's food outlets. As of this date, Syria has 0. [b
How many burger kings?
Egypt mows down over 1000 civilians peacefully protesting a coup(but dont use those words...) and the US asks for restraint....but with Syria they are prepared to go to war? Egypt currently has 63 McDonald's food outlets. As of this date, Syria has 0. [b How many burger kings?
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Aug 30, 2013 10:16:05 GMT 1
Syria, by Graffiti Prints on Aug 30, 2013 10:16:05 GMT 1, this pic sums up the west vs middle east for me.
i dont know solutions or whats really happening we all don't but i smell a rat here.
i switch the news off all the time as i hate conflicts esp when justified as peace.
this pic sums up the west vs middle east for me. i dont know solutions or whats really happening we all don't but i smell a rat here. i switch the news off all the time as i hate conflicts esp when justified as peace.
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Syria, by Feral Things on Aug 30, 2013 12:13:25 GMT 1, I think David Milliband's political points scoring since the vote has been deeply cynical. I'm definitely no fan of Cameron or the Tory party, but at least they for once did the right thing and sought the democratic views of Parliament. This kind short-term points scoring just makes it all the more likely that future Governments will avoid genuine debates on these kind of issues and Parliament then won't be able to avert military interventions in the future.
My wife's friend was a professor at the main University until about a year ago and didn't particularly support either Assad or the rebels. One afternoon her car was destroyed by a mortar round and suddenly her neighbourhood was a war zone. She had 30 minutes to leave and lost virtually everything. In the context of the thousands who have lost their lives in Syria she's perhaps one of the lucky ones. As mentioned by a few people above, it's the ordinarily citizens who are suffering the most. Very sad.
I think David Milliband's political points scoring since the vote has been deeply cynical. I'm definitely no fan of Cameron or the Tory party, but at least they for once did the right thing and sought the democratic views of Parliament. This kind short-term points scoring just makes it all the more likely that future Governments will avoid genuine debates on these kind of issues and Parliament then won't be able to avert military interventions in the future.
My wife's friend was a professor at the main University until about a year ago and didn't particularly support either Assad or the rebels. One afternoon her car was destroyed by a mortar round and suddenly her neighbourhood was a war zone. She had 30 minutes to leave and lost virtually everything. In the context of the thousands who have lost their lives in Syria she's perhaps one of the lucky ones. As mentioned by a few people above, it's the ordinarily citizens who are suffering the most. Very sad.
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Syria, by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 14:24:32 GMT 1, it was slightly shocking but heartening to see the UK parliament vote against military action, I just hope now the US too decides on a differing approach. Perhaps one that is legal and minimises the death of innoncents? When I found out I was delighted and proud of the Uk and encouraged. I think it shows that true democracy is still just hanging in there in the UK and I really hope the it will inspire a lot of people.
it was slightly shocking but heartening to see the UK parliament vote against military action, I just hope now the US too decides on a differing approach. Perhaps one that is legal and minimises the death of innoncents? When I found out I was delighted and proud of the Uk and encouraged. I think it shows that true democracy is still just hanging in there in the UK and I really hope the it will inspire a lot of people.
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Syria, by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 14:45:53 GMT 1, Wow MX they are some weird views. I have no great solution for the problem but saying it was the rebels or the Americans using chem weapons seems a little left of centre for me. Assad is ne bad MF and has been for a long long time. I am no lover of war and bombs etc but he should be taken out in my view. Civilian casualties would be few due to promise bombing high media profile though but certainly no worse than Assad and his regime who are the lowest of the low I don't think MX's views are that weird.All is fair in love and war.
Assad is ne bad MF and has been for a long long time. I am no lover of war and bombs etc but he should be taken out in my view.
I would think that you also thought that about Saddam Hussein.Look at what has happened to the ordinary Iraqi's since those same thoughts of others were militarily acted upon.I'd be happy to be wrong on this thought.
Civilian casualties would be few due to promise bombing high media profile though but certainly no worse than Assad and his regime who are the lowest of the low
Who many civilian deaths would be acceptable to you?Are you saying you would be prepared to stoop a bit low but just not as low as Assad?
Wow MX they are some weird views. I have no great solution for the problem but saying it was the rebels or the Americans using chem weapons seems a little left of centre for me. Assad is ne bad MF and has been for a long long time. I am no lover of war and bombs etc but he should be taken out in my view. Civilian casualties would be few due to promise bombing high media profile though but certainly no worse than Assad and his regime who are the lowest of the low I don't think MX's views are that weird.All is fair in love and war. Assad is ne bad MF and has been for a long long time. I am no lover of war and bombs etc but he should be taken out in my view.I would think that you also thought that about Saddam Hussein.Look at what has happened to the ordinary Iraqi's since those same thoughts of others were militarily acted upon.I'd be happy to be wrong on this thought. Civilian casualties would be few due to promise bombing high media profile though but certainly no worse than Assad and his regime who are the lowest of the low
Who many civilian deaths would be acceptable to you?Are you saying you would be prepared to stoop a bit low but just not as low as Assad?
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Aug 30, 2013 15:14:44 GMT 1
Syria, by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 15:14:44 GMT 1, What can an ordinary person do to help in some way?, what can we do?,can someone here say please?. Seems protesting and sending emails and letters to the relevant people (all of which would probably be ignored anyhow) all take time and thats not a luxury that people there have at present, how many people there or in any other wartorn country are killed or injured in the time it takes for us to have a second cup of coffee?. The world stinks sometimes, the Human race is beyond understanding, i despair. Ordinary people can do their best. Ordinary Syrians (civilians) have to work hard at just staying alive. It is up to the rest of the world to help. www.unicef.org.uk/landing-pages/donate-syria/?gclid=CI3R26mnpbkCFfHKtAodqCkA-Q&sissr=1 If we were all active, our emails and letters and protests couldn't be ignored. I don't know about you but my messages to my MP are always replied to. Please don't despair.
What can an ordinary person do to help in some way?, what can we do?,can someone here say please?. Seems protesting and sending emails and letters to the relevant people (all of which would probably be ignored anyhow) all take time and thats not a luxury that people there have at present, how many people there or in any other wartorn country are killed or injured in the time it takes for us to have a second cup of coffee?. The world stinks sometimes, the Human race is beyond understanding, i despair. Ordinary people can do their best. Ordinary Syrians (civilians) have to work hard at just staying alive. It is up to the rest of the world to help. www.unicef.org.uk/landing-pages/donate-syria/?gclid=CI3R26mnpbkCFfHKtAodqCkA-Q&sissr=1If we were all active, our emails and letters and protests couldn't be ignored. I don't know about you but my messages to my MP are always replied to. Please don't despair.
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Aug 30, 2013 22:46:31 GMT 1
Syria, by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 22:46:31 GMT 1, Go George Galloway !
Go George Galloway !
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Aug 31, 2013 20:02:54 GMT 1
Syria, by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 20:02:54 GMT 1, Well that was indeed shocking! Gobama. Massive opportunity for America to show the world that they can in fact do what is right. Imho. Peace.
Well that was indeed shocking! Gobama. Massive opportunity for America to show the world that they can in fact do what is right. Imho. Peace.
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Sept 1, 2013 2:05:55 GMT 1
Syria, by misterx on Sept 1, 2013 2:05:55 GMT 1, Sorry, but bombing civilians into the Stone Age would not be doing "what is right'...
Yet another war against muslims? FFS...
Sorry, but bombing civilians into the Stone Age would not be doing "what is right'...
Yet another war against muslims? FFS...
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Sept 1, 2013 21:20:16 GMT 1
Syria, by anbesivam1 on Sept 1, 2013 21:20:16 GMT 1, @topshelftodd
"The statesman will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is being attacked, and ignorant men will be glad of these conscience-soothing falsities." - Mark Twain
@topshelftodd "The statesman will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is being attacked, and ignorant men will be glad of these conscience-soothing falsities." - Mark Twain
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Syria, by Wearology on Sept 1, 2013 21:31:50 GMT 1, I have no idea what the political climate is in the UK, but I can tell you that the majority of American's according to the polls have had enough of military conflicts. The American People are sick and tired of war and everything that comes with it. We all understand that the US Economy is a War Economy, but at some point the people have to stand up and say enough is enough and I think we are at that point. President Obama will put the decision to a vote on September 9th and don't be surprised if the US Government follows the lead of the British Government and says no to war. The only difference will be that Obama will probably still proceed with military action regardless of the vote.
I have no idea what the political climate is in the UK, but I can tell you that the majority of American's according to the polls have had enough of military conflicts. The American People are sick and tired of war and everything that comes with it. We all understand that the US Economy is a War Economy, but at some point the people have to stand up and say enough is enough and I think we are at that point. President Obama will put the decision to a vote on September 9th and don't be surprised if the US Government follows the lead of the British Government and says no to war. The only difference will be that Obama will probably still proceed with military action regardless of the vote.
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Sept 1, 2013 22:09:36 GMT 1
Syria, by anbesivam1 on Sept 1, 2013 22:09:36 GMT 1, I have no idea what the political climate is in the UK, but I can tell you that the majority of American's according to the polls have had enough of military conflicts. The American People are sick and tired of war and everything that comes with it. We all understand that the US Economy is a War Economy, but at some point the people have to stand up and say enough is enough and I think we are at that point. President Obama will put the decision to a vote on September 9th and don't be surprised if the US Government follows the lead of the British Government and says no to war. The only difference will be that Obama will probably still proceed with military action regardless of the vote. Will the UN chemical weapons inspectors have finished their assessment by the 9th of Sept?
I have no idea what the political climate is in the UK, but I can tell you that the majority of American's according to the polls have had enough of military conflicts. The American People are sick and tired of war and everything that comes with it. We all understand that the US Economy is a War Economy, but at some point the people have to stand up and say enough is enough and I think we are at that point. President Obama will put the decision to a vote on September 9th and don't be surprised if the US Government follows the lead of the British Government and says no to war. The only difference will be that Obama will probably still proceed with military action regardless of the vote. Will the UN chemical weapons inspectors have finished their assessment by the 9th of Sept?
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Sept 1, 2013 23:06:05 GMT 1
Syria, by dotdot on Sept 1, 2013 23:06:05 GMT 1, Without having too much to say on the complex matter , it's fascinating to see or hear that what happened in the uk the other day is being reported in the uk as having impacted / influenced / swayed ... thinking in the us.
Certainly not something I was expecting , perhaps it's not true wear, but it's what we get off the telly here.
Democracy at times is something to be proud of. .. Many would exclaim it's a sham the rest of the time
Without having too much to say on the complex matter , it's fascinating to see or hear that what happened in the uk the other day is being reported in the uk as having impacted / influenced / swayed ... thinking in the us. Certainly not something I was expecting , perhaps it's not true wear, but it's what we get off the telly here. Democracy at times is something to be proud of. .. Many would exclaim it's a sham the rest of the time
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