Hairbland
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Emile on Oct 15, 2013 20:50:15 GMT 1, I'm not sure I agree that they look sloppy and rushed The "faded" (for lack of a better word) black - at least on the second piece - almost seems intentional to me..
1 because it the black seems to be evenly spread over the whole piece 2 because using a stencil and a fatcap, what would going over it another take? like 1 or 2 seconds?
(that said, the towers on the first one look pretty bad to me too)
I'm not sure I agree that they look sloppy and rushed The "faded" (for lack of a better word) black - at least on the second piece - almost seems intentional to me..
1 because it the black seems to be evenly spread over the whole piece 2 because using a stencil and a fatcap, what would going over it another take? like 1 or 2 seconds?
(that said, the towers on the first one look pretty bad to me too)
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by mmmike on Oct 15, 2013 20:51:55 GMT 1, It certainly was historic in that 3,000 Americans were killed. Which I can't stress enough was tragic. However the US routinely commits atrocities on a much larger scale around the world. The major difference here was this was the first time it happened to the Americans. To me the piece seems like a bit of a lay up for Banksy. Okay I'm certainly not going to get into a debate in that direction -- I have very little by way of defensive compassion for the things the US has done; also I do sort of agree the piece is obviously not as intricate or substantial as the Crazy Horse installation. But hey, he's in NY and as a New Yorker (a real one) I appreciate his homage. It's one day out of a whole month - it's nice he took time to acknowledge it. Like I said, I can see why as a foreigner who didn't experience nor have a connection to what that image of the Towers means, you would be unsatisfied by this piece; and to you I bid good day sir.
Where are you from?
you're right naughty - i'll keep it happy Obviously we have different perspectives. I appreciate yours and thanks for sharing it. I'm glad the piece(s) was so meaningful to you and other New Yorkers. And after all who am I to criticise Banksy? Seems like it had its intended impact.
It certainly was historic in that 3,000 Americans were killed. Which I can't stress enough was tragic. However the US routinely commits atrocities on a much larger scale around the world. The major difference here was this was the first time it happened to the Americans. To me the piece seems like a bit of a lay up for Banksy. Okay I'm certainly not going to get into a debate in that direction -- I have very little by way of defensive compassion for the things the US has done; also I do sort of agree the piece is obviously not as intricate or substantial as the Crazy Horse installation. But hey, he's in NY and as a New Yorker (a real one) I appreciate his homage. It's one day out of a whole month - it's nice he took time to acknowledge it. Like I said, I can see why as a foreigner who didn't experience nor have a connection to what that image of the Towers means, you would be unsatisfied by this piece; and to you I bid good day sir.
Where are you from?
you're right naughty - i'll keep it happy Obviously we have different perspectives. I appreciate yours and thanks for sharing it. I'm glad the piece(s) was so meaningful to you and other New Yorkers. And after all who am I to criticise Banksy? Seems like it had its intended impact.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 20:53:49 GMT 1, It's embedded using, in part, JavaScript or Java. Sun, and by extension, SunNetwork, owns Java. Hence, an error in the embed scripting threw the error you see on the site. Your probably right , but if you watch the video , it isnt just a still static message , the message is being "broadcast" per say ...you can see all the "white noise" under the message. Does not look like an error to me, but what do i know I'll let people who know about computers figure it out. I'm not waisting time on it anymore
It's embedded using, in part, JavaScript or Java. Sun, and by extension, SunNetwork, owns Java. Hence, an error in the embed scripting threw the error you see on the site. Your probably right , but if you watch the video , it isnt just a still static message , the message is being "broadcast" per say ...you can see all the "white noise" under the message. Does not look like an error to me, but what do i know I'll let people who know about computers figure it out. I'm not waisting time on it anymore
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vinzc
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by vinzc on Oct 15, 2013 20:54:54 GMT 1, The whole placement of it on that wall, I really don't get it? The composition with those joints in the wall? I'm confused. i think it was placed there to give the one tower a 3 dimensional look. if you look at the tower in the break of the wall, that's the corner of the building (can sort of see w the top of the tower not really being flat, but more of a triangle). also, i dont remember if both towers had them, but def the one tower had a long lightening rod on top (also i think to help add length when measuring buildings in the US)...so i believe the crack on top of the stencil is, in part, the lightening rod. but a very simple [but meaningful] stencil all the same.
The whole placement of it on that wall, I really don't get it? The composition with those joints in the wall? I'm confused. i think it was placed there to give the one tower a 3 dimensional look. if you look at the tower in the break of the wall, that's the corner of the building (can sort of see w the top of the tower not really being flat, but more of a triangle). also, i dont remember if both towers had them, but def the one tower had a long lightening rod on top (also i think to help add length when measuring buildings in the US)...so i believe the crack on top of the stencil is, in part, the lightening rod. but a very simple [but meaningful] stencil all the same.
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johnnyh
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 15, 2013 20:55:52 GMT 1, Lovely piece and sure it will be appreciated by New Yorker's regardless of whether it gets tagged or not. It's out there now and I am pretty sure that most NYkers had no idea who Banksy was till all this started. But likewise I am sure they will appreciate this for all its simplicity and beauty.
Lovely piece and sure it will be appreciated by New Yorker's regardless of whether it gets tagged or not. It's out there now and I am pretty sure that most NYkers had no idea who Banksy was till all this started. But likewise I am sure they will appreciate this for all its simplicity and beauty.
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Karl Read
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Karl Read on Oct 15, 2013 21:01:58 GMT 1, It cracks me up, reading on here comments like " oooo it looks rushed" or "it doesn't seem like Banksy's usual standard." Let's all remind ourselves, he has told the world that he is going to be producing work In the streets of N.Y illegally for a solid month. Those that have these thoughts, have you ever tried painting illegally in a big busy city? It's harder than you may think. The whole of N.Y is looking out for him, of course they are rushed, he is the biggest (well known) street artist in the world. The general public don't know who he is, he wants to keep it that way. Let's all put it in to perspective.
I haven't enjoyed a show/exhibition this much in a long time. Whats also great is to see this forum back to how it used to be, talking about the art. Rather than talking about print prices etc.
Apologies if I'm coming across harsh but we have been used to seeing a lot of legal walls being painted by artists who can take as long as they like. Nothing wrong with that at all but lets just remember what he is doing here.
It cracks me up, reading on here comments like " oooo it looks rushed" or "it doesn't seem like Banksy's usual standard." Let's all remind ourselves, he has told the world that he is going to be producing work In the streets of N.Y illegally for a solid month. Those that have these thoughts, have you ever tried painting illegally in a big busy city? It's harder than you may think. The whole of N.Y is looking out for him, of course they are rushed, he is the biggest (well known) street artist in the world. The general public don't know who he is, he wants to keep it that way. Let's all put it in to perspective.
I haven't enjoyed a show/exhibition this much in a long time. Whats also great is to see this forum back to how it used to be, talking about the art. Rather than talking about print prices etc.
Apologies if I'm coming across harsh but we have been used to seeing a lot of legal walls being painted by artists who can take as long as they like. Nothing wrong with that at all but lets just remember what he is doing here.
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sin
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by sin on Oct 15, 2013 21:03:59 GMT 1, my .02
1. lets dispense with the patriotic bullshit. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back.
2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII.
How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life.
How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science.
How about.. you get my point.
So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic shit and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets.
my .02
1. lets dispense with the patriotic bullshit. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back.
2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII.
How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life.
How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science.
How about.. you get my point.
So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic shit and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets.
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kbfrombk
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 15, 2013 21:06:44 GMT 1, Okay I'm certainly not going to get into a debate in that direction -- I have very little by way of defensive compassion for the things the US has done; also I do sort of agree the piece is obviously not as intricate or substantial as the Crazy Horse installation. But hey, he's in NY and as a New Yorker (a real one) I appreciate his homage. It's one day out of a whole month - it's nice he took time to acknowledge it. Like I said, I can see why as a foreigner who didn't experience nor have a connection to what that image of the Towers means, you would be unsatisfied by this piece; and to you I bid good day sir.
Where are you from?
you're right naughty - i'll keep it happy Obviously we have different perspectives. I appreciate yours and thanks for sharing it. I'm glad the piece(s) was so meaningful to you and other New Yorkers. And after all who am I to criticise Banksy? Seems like it had its intended impact. Think of it: What you've said is akin to imagining that a stenciled double-decker bus with "2005" on it, appeared somewhere on a building in London, and my first reaction was "well that's lame considering NYC saw 3,000 die on 9/11"
or even
"I don't think that piece makes any sense nor is deserved, since they've actively participated in summoning such reactions as seen in 2005, et al"
I get the impulse to vilify - and trust me I'm super critical of my country's government and military - but I believe it's insensitive to use that to justify your argument that the image of WTC is valueless (especially considering the deaths on 9/11 were 99% civilian).
Okay I'm certainly not going to get into a debate in that direction -- I have very little by way of defensive compassion for the things the US has done; also I do sort of agree the piece is obviously not as intricate or substantial as the Crazy Horse installation. But hey, he's in NY and as a New Yorker (a real one) I appreciate his homage. It's one day out of a whole month - it's nice he took time to acknowledge it. Like I said, I can see why as a foreigner who didn't experience nor have a connection to what that image of the Towers means, you would be unsatisfied by this piece; and to you I bid good day sir.
Where are you from?
you're right naughty - i'll keep it happy Obviously we have different perspectives. I appreciate yours and thanks for sharing it. I'm glad the piece(s) was so meaningful to you and other New Yorkers. And after all who am I to criticise Banksy? Seems like it had its intended impact. Think of it: What you've said is akin to imagining that a stenciled double-decker bus with "2005" on it, appeared somewhere on a building in London, and my first reaction was "well that's lame considering NYC saw 3,000 die on 9/11" or even "I don't think that piece makes any sense nor is deserved, since they've actively participated in summoning such reactions as seen in 2005, et al" I get the impulse to vilify - and trust me I'm super critical of my country's government and military - but I believe it's insensitive to use that to justify your argument that the image of WTC is valueless (especially considering the deaths on 9/11 were 99% civilian).
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by drachinfire on Oct 15, 2013 21:09:22 GMT 1,
Anyone else notice this went up with the Beaver entry? Looks like Banksy is enjoying the interaction with his work...
Anyone else notice this went up with the Beaver entry? Looks like Banksy is enjoying the interaction with his work...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:09:30 GMT 1, It cracks me up, reading on here comments like " oooo it looks rushed" or "it doesn't seem like Banksy's usual standard." Let's all remind ourselves, he has told the world that he is going to be producing work In the streets of N.Y illegally for a solid month. Those that have these thoughts, have you ever tried painting illegally in a big busy city? It's harder than you may think. The whole of N.Y is looking out for him, of course they are rushed, he is the biggest (well known) street artist in the world. The general public don't know who he is, he wants to keep it that way. Let's all put it in to perspective. I haven't enjoyed a show/exhibition this much in a long time. Whats also great is to see this forum back to how it used to be, talking about the art. Rather than talking about print prices etc. Apologies if I'm coming across harsh but we have been used to seeing a lot of legal walls being painted by artists who can take as long as they like. Nothing wrong with that at all but lets just remember what he is doing here. VERY true! I stand corrected!
I do know how it is to paint in a busy big city, but not when a couple/tens of thousands of people are looking for me ...
It cracks me up, reading on here comments like " oooo it looks rushed" or "it doesn't seem like Banksy's usual standard." Let's all remind ourselves, he has told the world that he is going to be producing work In the streets of N.Y illegally for a solid month. Those that have these thoughts, have you ever tried painting illegally in a big busy city? It's harder than you may think. The whole of N.Y is looking out for him, of course they are rushed, he is the biggest (well known) street artist in the world. The general public don't know who he is, he wants to keep it that way. Let's all put it in to perspective. I haven't enjoyed a show/exhibition this much in a long time. Whats also great is to see this forum back to how it used to be, talking about the art. Rather than talking about print prices etc. Apologies if I'm coming across harsh but we have been used to seeing a lot of legal walls being painted by artists who can take as long as they like. Nothing wrong with that at all but lets just remember what he is doing here. VERY true! I stand corrected! I do know how it is to paint in a busy big city, but not when a couple/tens of thousands of people are looking for me ...
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Emile
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Emile on Oct 15, 2013 21:11:07 GMT 1, Anyone else notice this went up with the Beaver entry? Looks like Banksy is enjoying the interaction with his work...
Thanks for reposting.. Maybe it will draw away some attention for the political discussion going on right now
Seems a little random to "just" post that video and not mention it anywhere, right?
Anyone else notice this went up with the Beaver entry? Looks like Banksy is enjoying the interaction with his work... Thanks for reposting.. Maybe it will draw away some attention for the political discussion going on right now Seems a little random to "just" post that video and not mention it anywhere, right?
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drachinfire
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by drachinfire on Oct 15, 2013 21:11:40 GMT 1, Also, looks like Animal finally is giving me the attention I so sorely deserve. (If you see a guy in a maroon Fordham hat at an upcoming Banksy, feel free to say hey.)
Also, looks like Animal finally is giving me the attention I so sorely deserve. (If you see a guy in a maroon Fordham hat at an upcoming Banksy, feel free to say hey.)
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Emile
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Emile on Oct 15, 2013 21:12:34 GMT 1, VERY true! I stand corrected! I do know how it is to paint in a busy big city, but not when a couple/tens of thousands of people are looking for me ...
I like to think you are KBTR (if you aren't, please let me believe you are)
VERY true! I stand corrected! I do know how it is to paint in a busy big city, but not when a couple/tens of thousands of people are looking for me ... I like to think you are KBTR (if you aren't, please let me believe you are)
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Karl Read
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Karl Read on Oct 15, 2013 21:12:40 GMT 1, It cracks me up, reading on here comments like " oooo it looks rushed" or "it doesn't seem like Banksy's usual standard." Let's all remind ourselves, he has told the world that he is going to be producing work In the streets of N.Y illegally for a solid month. Those that have these thoughts, have you ever tried painting illegally in a big busy city? It's harder than you may think. The whole of N.Y is looking out for him, of course they are rushed, he is the biggest (well known) street artist in the world. The general public don't know who he is, he wants to keep it that way. Let's all put it in to perspective. I haven't enjoyed a show/exhibition this much in a long time. Whats also great is to see this forum back to how it used to be, talking about the art. Rather than talking about print prices etc. Apologies if I'm coming across harsh but we have been used to seeing a lot of legal walls being painted by artists who can take as long as they like. Nothing wrong with that at all but lets just remember what he is doing here. VERY true! I stand corrected! I do know how it is to paint in a busy big city, but not when a couple/tens of thousands of people are looking for me ... I think it's easy to forget. Pretty ballsy move IMO. looking forward to what else he brings in to the mix from here.
It cracks me up, reading on here comments like " oooo it looks rushed" or "it doesn't seem like Banksy's usual standard." Let's all remind ourselves, he has told the world that he is going to be producing work In the streets of N.Y illegally for a solid month. Those that have these thoughts, have you ever tried painting illegally in a big busy city? It's harder than you may think. The whole of N.Y is looking out for him, of course they are rushed, he is the biggest (well known) street artist in the world. The general public don't know who he is, he wants to keep it that way. Let's all put it in to perspective. I haven't enjoyed a show/exhibition this much in a long time. Whats also great is to see this forum back to how it used to be, talking about the art. Rather than talking about print prices etc. Apologies if I'm coming across harsh but we have been used to seeing a lot of legal walls being painted by artists who can take as long as they like. Nothing wrong with that at all but lets just remember what he is doing here. VERY true! I stand corrected! I do know how it is to paint in a busy big city, but not when a couple/tens of thousands of people are looking for me ... I think it's easy to forget. Pretty ballsy move IMO. looking forward to what else he brings in to the mix from here.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:13:21 GMT 1, It's embedded using, in part, JavaScript or Java. Sun, and by extension, SunNetwork, owns Java. Hence, an error in the embed scripting threw the error you see on the site. Your probably right , but if you watch the video , it isnt just a still static message , the message is being "broadcast" per say ...you can see all the "white noise" under the message. still works fine for me on the site, i nicked it off youtube anyhow on the day.
It's embedded using, in part, JavaScript or Java. Sun, and by extension, SunNetwork, owns Java. Hence, an error in the embed scripting threw the error you see on the site. Your probably right , but if you watch the video , it isnt just a still static message , the message is being "broadcast" per say ...you can see all the "white noise" under the message. still works fine for me on the site, i nicked it off youtube anyhow on the day.
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kbfrombk
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 15, 2013 21:13:56 GMT 1, my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. I agree with basically everything you've said here. Also note: zero patriotic bulls**t here.
...which is why I expect that one out of 31 days will be a thoughtful homage, with the other 30 being an appropriate, clever, and powerful form of critical expression!
my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. I agree with basically everything you've said here. Also note: zero patriotic bulls**t here. ...which is why I expect that one out of 31 days will be a thoughtful homage, with the other 30 being an appropriate, clever, and powerful form of critical expression!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by vinzc on Oct 15, 2013 21:14:17 GMT 1, my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. so you're saying you like the piece...
it got you thinking...
got it
my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. so you're saying you like the piece... it got you thinking... got it
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Warm Gun on Oct 15, 2013 21:15:38 GMT 1, I didn't realise that the chrysanthemum was singed, I just assumed it was overspray from the black paint.....nice touch. Was it signededit singed? Yes, apparently the petals are singed signed..... burnt.
I didn't realise that the chrysanthemum was singed, I just assumed it was overspray from the black paint.....nice touch. Was it signededit singed? Yes, apparently the petals are singed signed..... burnt.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:16:17 GMT 1, I think it's easy to forget. Pretty ballsy move IMO. looking forward to what else he brings in to the mix from here. Reckon it will get interesting from now on ......... lots of time yet.
I think it's easy to forget. Pretty ballsy move IMO. looking forward to what else he brings in to the mix from here. Reckon it will get interesting from now on ......... lots of time yet.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 15, 2013 21:19:52 GMT 1, I think it's easy to forget. Pretty ballsy move IMO. looking forward to what else he brings in to the mix from here. Reckon it will get interesting from now on ......... lots of time yet. sh!t yeah.
maybe the first few days were just like a silly, fun, loose warm up*; today is the serious, solemn National Anthem before a big game day; and the rest of the month can be just an onslaught of outrageous, intricate and intelligent next-level "Statement"
*those horses not withstanding
I think it's easy to forget. Pretty ballsy move IMO. looking forward to what else he brings in to the mix from here. Reckon it will get interesting from now on ......... lots of time yet. sh!t yeah. maybe the first few days were just like a silly, fun, loose warm up*; today is the serious, solemn National Anthem before a big game day; and the rest of the month can be just an onslaught of outrageous, intricate and intelligent next-level " Statement" *those horses not withstanding
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:20:38 GMT 1, VERY true! I stand corrected! I do know how it is to paint in a busy big city, but not when a couple/tens of thousands of people are looking for me ... I like to think you are KBTR (if you aren't, please let me believe you are) So if i don't react on your message you will think i leave you to belive that i am KBTR and in that case you would know i am in fact not KBTR because you asked me to let you believe i am KBTR even if i am not him. I could also tell you i am KBTR but in that case you would not believe me, as KBTR would never tell he is KBTR. This leaves me in a pickle... What to do..... Best thing i could come up with was to write this and post it.
VERY true! I stand corrected! I do know how it is to paint in a busy big city, but not when a couple/tens of thousands of people are looking for me ... I like to think you are KBTR (if you aren't, please let me believe you are) So if i don't react on your message you will think i leave you to belive that i am KBTR and in that case you would know i am in fact not KBTR because you asked me to let you believe i am KBTR even if i am not him. I could also tell you i am KBTR but in that case you would not believe me, as KBTR would never tell he is KBTR. This leaves me in a pickle... What to do..... Best thing i could come up with was to write this and post it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Sweetcorn on Oct 15, 2013 21:21:08 GMT 1, It cracks me up, reading on here comments like " oooo it looks rushed" or "it doesn't seem like Banksy's usual standard." Let's all remind ourselves, he has told the world that he is going to be producing work In the streets of N.Y illegally for a solid month. Those that have these thoughts, have you ever tried painting illegally in a big busy city? It's harder than you may think. The whole of N.Y is looking out for him, of course they are rushed, he is the biggest (well known) street artist in the world. The general public don't know who he is, he wants to keep it that way. Let's all put it in to perspective. I haven't enjoyed a show/exhibition this much in a long time. Whats also great is to see this forum back to how it used to be, talking about the art. Rather than talking about print prices etc. Apologies if I'm coming across harsh but we have been used to seeing a lot of legal walls being painted by artists who can take as long as they like. Nothing wrong with that at all but lets just remember what he is doing here. Exactly !
It cracks me up, reading on here comments like " oooo it looks rushed" or "it doesn't seem like Banksy's usual standard." Let's all remind ourselves, he has told the world that he is going to be producing work In the streets of N.Y illegally for a solid month. Those that have these thoughts, have you ever tried painting illegally in a big busy city? It's harder than you may think. The whole of N.Y is looking out for him, of course they are rushed, he is the biggest (well known) street artist in the world. The general public don't know who he is, he wants to keep it that way. Let's all put it in to perspective. I haven't enjoyed a show/exhibition this much in a long time. Whats also great is to see this forum back to how it used to be, talking about the art. Rather than talking about print prices etc. Apologies if I'm coming across harsh but we have been used to seeing a lot of legal walls being painted by artists who can take as long as they like. Nothing wrong with that at all but lets just remember what he is doing here. Exactly !
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Dr Plip
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 15, 2013 21:22:23 GMT 1, The shear adrenaline rush of doing something like this every day for a month, in a largely populated and monitored area must be immense. And for the hype to build as it has, with each passing day, more and more people will be aware of his actions and be looking out for him, the buzz he's getting must be huge.
Saying that, he might be knackered come November and need a holiday.
The shear adrenaline rush of doing something like this every day for a month, in a largely populated and monitored area must be immense. And for the hype to build as it has, with each passing day, more and more people will be aware of his actions and be looking out for him, the buzz he's getting must be huge.
Saying that, he might be knackered come November and need a holiday.
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Damien
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Damien on Oct 15, 2013 21:22:55 GMT 1, my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII.
which 100?
my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. which 100?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:24:32 GMT 1, Your probably right , but if you watch the video , it isnt just a still static message , the message is being "broadcast" per say ...you can see all the "white noise" under the message. still works fine for me on the site, i nicked it off youtube anyhow on the day. Vid is back up on Banksy's site
Your probably right , but if you watch the video , it isnt just a still static message , the message is being "broadcast" per say ...you can see all the "white noise" under the message. still works fine for me on the site, i nicked it off youtube anyhow on the day. Vid is back up on Banksy's site
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sin
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by sin on Oct 15, 2013 21:25:07 GMT 1, my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. so you're saying you like the piece... it got you thinking... got it I actually really like the peice and dont think it is done out of reverance. i think its done to remind people to remain peaceful. makeing a flower into an explosion is like putting the flower in the end of a gun. even if it were all entirely true, degrading into war of cultures is our lowest form of existance.
my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. so you're saying you like the piece... it got you thinking... got it I actually really like the peice and dont think it is done out of reverance. i think its done to remind people to remain peaceful. makeing a flower into an explosion is like putting the flower in the end of a gun. even if it were all entirely true, degrading into war of cultures is our lowest form of existance.
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drachinfire
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by drachinfire on Oct 15, 2013 21:27:00 GMT 1, Was it signededit singed? Yes, apparently the petals are singed signed..... burnt.
It looked like overspray (likely intentional) to my eye, but I'll have to double check my pics to be sure.
Was it signededit singed? Yes, apparently the petals are singed signed..... burnt. It looked like overspray (likely intentional) to my eye, but I'll have to double check my pics to be sure.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by doyle on Oct 15, 2013 21:28:04 GMT 1, I like to think you are KBTR (if you aren't, please let me believe you are) So if i don't react on your message you will think i leave you to belive that i am KBTR and in that case you would know i am in fact not KBTR because you asked me to let you believe i am KBTR even if i am not him. I could also tell you i am KBTR but in that case you would not believe me, as KBTR would never tell he is KBTR. This leaves me in a pickle... What to do..... Best thing i could come up with was to write this and post it. who is KBTR?
I like to think you are KBTR (if you aren't, please let me believe you are) So if i don't react on your message you will think i leave you to belive that i am KBTR and in that case you would know i am in fact not KBTR because you asked me to let you believe i am KBTR even if i am not him. I could also tell you i am KBTR but in that case you would not believe me, as KBTR would never tell he is KBTR. This leaves me in a pickle... What to do..... Best thing i could come up with was to write this and post it. who is KBTR?
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sin
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by sin on Oct 15, 2013 21:29:00 GMT 1, my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. which 100? i'll take the challenge and start pulling through items when i get home.
care to pick a starting point?
How about from the time white people showed up in the americas? Im sure I can find 100 world wide attrocities that have 3000+ dead and not even make it to the revolutionary war.
my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. which 100? i'll take the challenge and start pulling through items when i get home. care to pick a starting point? How about from the time white people showed up in the americas? Im sure I can find 100 world wide attrocities that have 3000+ dead and not even make it to the revolutionary war.
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