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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 15, 2013 21:29:32 GMT 1, So if i don't react on your message you will think i leave you to belive that i am KBTR and in that case you would know i am in fact not KBTR because you asked me to let you believe i am KBTR even if i am not him. I could also tell you i am KBTR but in that case you would not believe me, as KBTR would never tell he is KBTR. This leaves me in a pickle... What to do..... Best thing i could come up with was to write this and post it. who is KBTR? json24 is apparently.
So if i don't react on your message you will think i leave you to belive that i am KBTR and in that case you would know i am in fact not KBTR because you asked me to let you believe i am KBTR even if i am not him. I could also tell you i am KBTR but in that case you would not believe me, as KBTR would never tell he is KBTR. This leaves me in a pickle... What to do..... Best thing i could come up with was to write this and post it. who is KBTR? json24 is apparently.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 15, 2013 21:29:38 GMT 1, my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. so you're saying you like the piece... it got you thinking... got it No I think he is saying that he is a complete t**t!!!!
my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. so you're saying you like the piece... it got you thinking... got it No I think he is saying that he is a complete t**t!!!!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:30:09 GMT 1, So if i don't react on your message you will think i leave you to belive that i am KBTR and in that case you would know i am in fact not KBTR because you asked me to let you believe i am KBTR even if i am not him. I could also tell you i am KBTR but in that case you would not believe me, as KBTR would never tell he is KBTR. This leaves me in a pickle... What to do..... Best thing i could come up with was to write this and post it. who is KBTR? A Dutch writer
So if i don't react on your message you will think i leave you to belive that i am KBTR and in that case you would know i am in fact not KBTR because you asked me to let you believe i am KBTR even if i am not him. I could also tell you i am KBTR but in that case you would not believe me, as KBTR would never tell he is KBTR. This leaves me in a pickle... What to do..... Best thing i could come up with was to write this and post it. who is KBTR? A Dutch writer
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by vinzc on Oct 15, 2013 21:31:36 GMT 1, at the start of this project, i was curious if the project itself would have gotten old or stale. if i'd still be as interested every morning when i woke up to see what was to come next. and 15 days in...B has yet to disappoint. at every turn, there's some great story or debate or potential sighting...there's one great stunt after another. if anything, 15 days later, im more excited than i was when this whole thing first unfolded.
and as many have mentioned already, it's going to get harder and harder to pull this off...and what an exceptional challenge.
he's basically challenged nyc, one of the greatest cities in the world, to find him. while i believe most on this forum agree that we'd rather not know who the man is behind the curtain, so many resiliant reporters and people have their eye out for him...the world is watching...new york is watching.
it's been a great run so far. glad we're only 1/2 way there
at the start of this project, i was curious if the project itself would have gotten old or stale. if i'd still be as interested every morning when i woke up to see what was to come next. and 15 days in...B has yet to disappoint. at every turn, there's some great story or debate or potential sighting...there's one great stunt after another. if anything, 15 days later, im more excited than i was when this whole thing first unfolded.
and as many have mentioned already, it's going to get harder and harder to pull this off...and what an exceptional challenge.
he's basically challenged nyc, one of the greatest cities in the world, to find him. while i believe most on this forum agree that we'd rather not know who the man is behind the curtain, so many resiliant reporters and people have their eye out for him...the world is watching...new york is watching.
it's been a great run so far. glad we're only 1/2 way there
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Emile on Oct 15, 2013 21:31:36 GMT 1,
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:31:40 GMT 1, To me the towers seem a bit like sucking up to NYC. There are so many atrocities around the world all the time. NY's 9-11 wasn't that big in the grand scheme of things. Terrible, don't get me wrong but with all the hate Banksy has gotten in NY it seems like he is trying to suck up a bit. Cool effect with the flower. I'd say 9/11 was pretty big in the scheme of things, to the people (including some of my friends) who lost their lives on that day to my friends (and others) who made it out and re-live that day every day and probably will for the rest of their lives.
There are the thousands of innocent people who got killed when Kabul was effectively carpet bombed, to the service personnel and civilians abroad who have been killed or injured due to the events post 9/11. It all (really) started there.
I'd say it's about reflection....
To me the towers seem a bit like sucking up to NYC. There are so many atrocities around the world all the time. NY's 9-11 wasn't that big in the grand scheme of things. Terrible, don't get me wrong but with all the hate Banksy has gotten in NY it seems like he is trying to suck up a bit. Cool effect with the flower. I'd say 9/11 was pretty big in the scheme of things, to the people (including some of my friends) who lost their lives on that day to my friends (and others) who made it out and re-live that day every day and probably will for the rest of their lives. There are the thousands of innocent people who got killed when Kabul was effectively carpet bombed, to the service personnel and civilians abroad who have been killed or injured due to the events post 9/11. It all (really) started there. I'd say it's about reflection....
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dungle on Oct 15, 2013 21:31:54 GMT 1, 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. which 100? ย i'll take the challenge and start pulling through items when i get home.ย care to pick a starting point? How about from the time white people showed up in the americas?ย Im sure I can find 100 world wide attrocities that have 3000+ dead and not even make it to the revolutionary war.ย
How's about we keep the thread on topic instead and discuss the art?
2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. which 100? ย i'll take the challenge and start pulling through items when i get home.ย care to pick a starting point? How about from the time white people showed up in the americas?ย Im sure I can find 100 world wide attrocities that have 3000+ dead and not even make it to the revolutionary war.ย How's about we keep the thread on topic instead and discuss the art?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 15, 2013 21:32:08 GMT 1, 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. which 100? i'll take the challenge and start pulling through items when i get home. care to pick a starting point? How about from the time white people showed up in the americas? Im sure I can find 100 world wide attrocities that have 3000+ dead and not even make it to the revolutionary war. I admire your chutzpah sir. And I look forward (with sadness) to reading your post of 100 worldwide atrocities that have resulted in 3000+ dead before the (American?) revolutionary war.
2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. which 100? i'll take the challenge and start pulling through items when i get home. care to pick a starting point? How about from the time white people showed up in the americas? Im sure I can find 100 world wide attrocities that have 3000+ dead and not even make it to the revolutionary war. I admire your chutzpah sir. And I look forward (with sadness) to reading your post of 100 worldwide atrocities that have resulted in 3000+ dead before the (American?) revolutionary war.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 15, 2013 21:32:52 GMT 1, i'll take the challenge and start pulling through items when i get home. care to pick a starting point? How about from the time white people showed up in the americas? Im sure I can find 100 world wide attrocities that have 3000+ dead and not even make it to the revolutionary war. How's about we keep the thread on topic instead and discuss the art? This. This. This.
i'll take the challenge and start pulling through items when i get home. care to pick a starting point? How about from the time white people showed up in the americas? Im sure I can find 100 world wide attrocities that have 3000+ dead and not even make it to the revolutionary war. How's about we keep the thread on topic instead and discuss the art? This. This. This.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by sin on Oct 15, 2013 21:33:39 GMT 1, so you're saying you like the piece... it got you thinking... got it No I think he is saying that he is a complete t**t!!!!
so you're saying you like the piece... it got you thinking... got it No I think he is saying that he is a complete t**t!!!!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by sin on Oct 15, 2013 21:35:12 GMT 1, so you're saying you like the piece... it got you thinking... got it No I think he is saying that he is a complete t**t!!!! I wont argue with you. I am a complete t**t but I also value knowing that.
From Dostoyevsky โAbove all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.โ
so you're saying you like the piece... it got you thinking... got it No I think he is saying that he is a complete t**t!!!! I wont argue with you. I am a complete t**t but I also value knowing that. From Dostoyevsky โAbove all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.โ
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by floubi on Oct 15, 2013 21:35:42 GMT 1, Oh yeah, seems invader is doin his New York art4 space screening in New York on the 29th oct. gonna be a good few days to be in nyc
A collaboration with Banksy?
Oh yeah, seems invader is doin his New York art4 space screening in New York on the 29th oct. gonna be a good few days to be in nyc A collaboration with Banksy?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Damien on Oct 15, 2013 21:35:51 GMT 1, any ideas on which district/ borough(whatever americans call them) banksy will be in tomorrow?
any ideas on which district/ borough(whatever americans call them) banksy will be in tomorrow?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by dreadnatty on Oct 15, 2013 21:37:30 GMT 1, Oh yeah, seems invader is doin his New York art4 space screening in New York on the 29th oct. gonna be a good few days to be in nyc U have a link for that?
Oh yeah, seems invader is doin his New York art4 space screening in New York on the 29th oct. gonna be a good few days to be in nyc U have a link for that?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:37:45 GMT 1, I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste.
Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it.
Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended?
I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste.
Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it.
Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 15, 2013 21:39:35 GMT 1, No I think he is saying that he is a complete t**t!!!! I wont argue with you. I am a complete t**t but I also value knowing that. From Dostoyevsky โAbove all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.โ So your single who care's............
No I think he is saying that he is a complete t**t!!!! I wont argue with you. I am a complete t**t but I also value knowing that. From Dostoyevsky โAbove all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.โ So your single who care's............
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:39:43 GMT 1, any ideas on which district/ borough(whatever americans call them) banksy will be in tomorrow? You mean 'guesses' surely Damien?,
any ideas on which district/ borough(whatever americans call them) banksy will be in tomorrow? You mean 'guesses' surely Damien?,
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by doyle on Oct 15, 2013 21:41:04 GMT 1, ahaa, thank you
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Quinnster on Oct 15, 2013 21:43:32 GMT 1, at the start of this project, i was curious if the project itself would have gotten old or stale. if i'd still be as interested every morning when i woke up to see what was to come next. and 15 days in...B has yet to disappoint. at every turn, there's some great story or debate or potential sighting...there's one great stunt after another. if anything, 15 days later, im more excited than i was when this whole thing first unfolded. and as many have mentioned already, it's going to get harder and harder to pull this off...and what an exceptional challenge. he's basically challenged nyc, one of the greatest cities in the world, to find him. while i believe most on this forum agree that we'd rather not know who the man is behind the curtain, so many resiliant reporters and people have their eye out for him...the world is watching...new york is watching. it's been a great run so far. glad we're only 1/2 way there
It's a massive city I think he will pull it off
at the start of this project, i was curious if the project itself would have gotten old or stale. if i'd still be as interested every morning when i woke up to see what was to come next. and 15 days in...B has yet to disappoint. at every turn, there's some great story or debate or potential sighting...there's one great stunt after another. if anything, 15 days later, im more excited than i was when this whole thing first unfolded. and as many have mentioned already, it's going to get harder and harder to pull this off...and what an exceptional challenge. he's basically challenged nyc, one of the greatest cities in the world, to find him. while i believe most on this forum agree that we'd rather not know who the man is behind the curtain, so many resiliant reporters and people have their eye out for him...the world is watching...new york is watching. it's been a great run so far. glad we're only 1/2 way there It's a massive city I think he will pull it off
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:44:13 GMT 1, at the start of this project, i was curious if the project itself would have gotten old or stale. if i'd still be as interested every morning when i woke up to see what was to come next. and 15 days in...B has yet to disappoint. at every turn, there's some great story or debate or potential sighting...there's one great stunt after another. if anything, 15 days later, im more excited than i was when this whole thing first unfolded. and as many have mentioned already, it's going to get harder and harder to pull this off...and what an exceptional challenge. he's basically challenged nyc, one of the greatest cities in the world, to find him. while i believe most on this forum agree that we'd rather not know who the man is behind the curtain, so many resiliant reporters and people have their eye out for him...the world is watching...new york is watching. it's been a great run so far. glad we're only 1/2 way there They wont find him, stop worrying Vinzc.
at the start of this project, i was curious if the project itself would have gotten old or stale. if i'd still be as interested every morning when i woke up to see what was to come next. and 15 days in...B has yet to disappoint. at every turn, there's some great story or debate or potential sighting...there's one great stunt after another. if anything, 15 days later, im more excited than i was when this whole thing first unfolded. and as many have mentioned already, it's going to get harder and harder to pull this off...and what an exceptional challenge. he's basically challenged nyc, one of the greatest cities in the world, to find him. while i believe most on this forum agree that we'd rather not know who the man is behind the curtain, so many resiliant reporters and people have their eye out for him...the world is watching...new york is watching. it's been a great run so far. glad we're only 1/2 way there They wont find him, stop worrying Vinzc.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by sakyamuni on Oct 15, 2013 21:45:10 GMT 1, my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. sorry sin but no, i don't see your point...The people who died on 9/11 where innocent civilians, just like the innocent civilians who died later on in Afghanistan and Irak. And this is a tragedy when people die for nothing, wherever it happens. And for your information, no, the irak/afghanistan war is not the greatest atrocity since wwII, very far from that. More people were killed in Rwanda in 10 weeks than in the past 10 years in Irak/afghanistan. A genocide was happening in Europe twenty years ago (remember Srebrenica?) More than a million people were killed after the separation between india and pakistan. And the list can go on and on and on... Maybe you could make your point without forgetting these people ? It does not make it stronger.
my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. sorry sin but no, i don't see your point...The people who died on 9/11 where innocent civilians, just like the innocent civilians who died later on in Afghanistan and Irak. And this is a tragedy when people die for nothing, wherever it happens. And for your information, no, the irak/afghanistan war is not the greatest atrocity since wwII, very far from that. More people were killed in Rwanda in 10 weeks than in the past 10 years in Irak/afghanistan. A genocide was happening in Europe twenty years ago (remember Srebrenica?) More than a million people were killed after the separation between india and pakistan. And the list can go on and on and on... Maybe you could make your point without forgetting these people ? It does not make it stronger.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Damien on Oct 15, 2013 21:46:32 GMT 1, any ideas on which district/ borough(whatever americans call them) banksy will be in tomorrow? You mean 'guesses' surely Damien?, yes guesses , but maybe he is moving across in nyc in some sort of general direction?
any ideas on which district/ borough(whatever americans call them) banksy will be in tomorrow? You mean 'guesses' surely Damien?, yes guesses , but maybe he is moving across in nyc in some sort of general direction?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 15, 2013 21:46:40 GMT 1, I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Fair point.
Some people might see this one as a poignant piece, while some might see it as tasteless (see the debate it started on just this forum), but in my extremely limited exposure to New York, it appears that New Yorkers aren't afraid of, and don't shy away from 9/11 imagery.
Besides, it doesn't seem to glorify the attack. It's not like he painted a plane flying into one of the towers. I think this one will be well received. Besides, he seems a decent guy, and he's a guest there, so I think he's unlikely to s**t the bed.
On a side note though, can anyone on here remember the last Banksy piece that people really didn't like?
I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Fair point. Some people might see this one as a poignant piece, while some might see it as tasteless (see the debate it started on just this forum), but in my extremely limited exposure to New York, it appears that New Yorkers aren't afraid of, and don't shy away from 9/11 imagery. Besides, it doesn't seem to glorify the attack. It's not like he painted a plane flying into one of the towers. I think this one will be well received. Besides, he seems a decent guy, and he's a guest there, so I think he's unlikely to s**t the bed. On a side note though, can anyone on here remember the last Banksy piece that people really didn't like?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 15, 2013 21:47:35 GMT 1, You mean 'guesses' surely Damien?, yes guesses , but maybe he is moving across in nyc in some sort of general direction? p***s map style?
You mean 'guesses' surely Damien?, yes guesses , but maybe he is moving across in nyc in some sort of general direction? p***s map style?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 15, 2013 21:47:51 GMT 1, at the start of this project, i was curious if the project itself would have gotten old or stale. if i'd still be as interested every morning when i woke up to see what was to come next. and 15 days in...B has yet to disappoint. at every turn, there's some great story or debate or potential sighting...there's one great stunt after another. if anything, 15 days later, im more excited than i was when this whole thing first unfolded. and as many have mentioned already, it's going to get harder and harder to pull this off...and what an exceptional challenge. he's basically challenged nyc, one of the greatest cities in the world, to find him. while i believe most on this forum agree that we'd rather not know who the man is behind the curtain, so many resiliant reporters and people have their eye out for him...the world is watching...new york is watching. it's been a great run so far. glad we're only 1/2 way there It's a massive city I think he will pull it off He should meet up with Os Gemeos and take Ocean Parkway down to the boardwalk for a massive collabo at Coney Island. Huge walls down there - nice and sleepy/cop-free at night!!
at the start of this project, i was curious if the project itself would have gotten old or stale. if i'd still be as interested every morning when i woke up to see what was to come next. and 15 days in...B has yet to disappoint. at every turn, there's some great story or debate or potential sighting...there's one great stunt after another. if anything, 15 days later, im more excited than i was when this whole thing first unfolded. and as many have mentioned already, it's going to get harder and harder to pull this off...and what an exceptional challenge. he's basically challenged nyc, one of the greatest cities in the world, to find him. while i believe most on this forum agree that we'd rather not know who the man is behind the curtain, so many resiliant reporters and people have their eye out for him...the world is watching...new york is watching. it's been a great run so far. glad we're only 1/2 way there It's a massive city I think he will pull it off He should meet up with Os Gemeos and take Ocean Parkway down to the boardwalk for a massive collabo at Coney Island. Huge walls down there - nice and sleepy/cop-free at night!!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hairbland on Oct 15, 2013 21:48:37 GMT 1, at the start of this project, i was curious if the project itself would have gotten old or stale. if i'd still be as interested every morning when i woke up to see what was to come next. and 15 days in...B has yet to disappoint. at every turn, there's some great story or debate or potential sighting...there's one great stunt after another. if anything, 15 days later, im more excited than i was when this whole thing first unfolded. and as many have mentioned already, it's going to get harder and harder to pull this off...and what an exceptional challenge. he's basically challenged nyc, one of the greatest cities in the world, to find him. while i believe most on this forum agree that we'd rather not know who the man is behind the curtain, so many resiliant reporters and people have their eye out for him...the world is watching...new york is watching. it's been a great run so far. glad we're only 1/2 way there
Agreed. I had received a tip about something happening in Borough Hall and to race over...being about 8 blocks away. I found myself walking through the area with crazy peripheral vision wondering what I was looking for when up to the light pulls the farm truck. First thought "WTF", second thought "That's it!". To be caught in the moment was thrilling as I ran into the street to take a picture.
This isn't about New Yorkers learning about Banksy - the coverage has grown from blogs and the sort to every mainstream square publication jumping on. Those in the know already knew who Banksy was.
Some days I'm blown away...when less so I realize ever day can't be a Mona Lisa.
But he is doing something special. Happy to be in the midst of it.
at the start of this project, i was curious if the project itself would have gotten old or stale. if i'd still be as interested every morning when i woke up to see what was to come next. and 15 days in...B has yet to disappoint. at every turn, there's some great story or debate or potential sighting...there's one great stunt after another. if anything, 15 days later, im more excited than i was when this whole thing first unfolded. and as many have mentioned already, it's going to get harder and harder to pull this off...and what an exceptional challenge. he's basically challenged nyc, one of the greatest cities in the world, to find him. while i believe most on this forum agree that we'd rather not know who the man is behind the curtain, so many resiliant reporters and people have their eye out for him...the world is watching...new york is watching. it's been a great run so far. glad we're only 1/2 way there Agreed. I had received a tip about something happening in Borough Hall and to race over...being about 8 blocks away. I found myself walking through the area with crazy peripheral vision wondering what I was looking for when up to the light pulls the farm truck. First thought "WTF", second thought "That's it!". To be caught in the moment was thrilling as I ran into the street to take a picture. This isn't about New Yorkers learning about Banksy - the coverage has grown from blogs and the sort to every mainstream square publication jumping on. Those in the know already knew who Banksy was. Some days I'm blown away...when less so I realize ever day can't be a Mona Lisa. But he is doing something special. Happy to be in the midst of it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 15, 2013 21:48:52 GMT 1, my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t.ย at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack.ย at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal.ย And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about..ย you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets.
You have to understand that the gov't and the citizens are very different in this country. Many people realize the absurdity of those wars. And most have no idea that those wars have unofficially bankrupted us. Half watch Fox News and the other half MSNBC/CNN, few can see the forest for the trees. And even fewer can find the truth.
There is much truth in the banksters(bankers/mobsters) plot to maintain the dollar as the reserve currency. Though that will eventually collapse as well. Big business, gov't & banks are too greedy and are not willing to sacrifice a dime nor change their tactics/philosophy. They will die slowly from the cancer they themselves have created. Sadly it will be done on the backs of the uneducated, the poor and now the middle class. Unless the people rise up, I only see a sinking ship.
I'm waiting for Banksys commentary on this situation. If you can't see it coming, your blind. He's got a few shots to the Corporate American gut left in his bag. And i cant wait to see. It would be nice to be humbled as a nation. Though change would be better. One can only dream . . .
I think there has been a solid build up. First He's capturing our attention then our hearts. Then comes the knock out blow. But we are still a few weeks away and there's more fun to be had before the curtain falls.
I'm curious if the media has the intelligence, filter or balls to report on the meaning and relevance of what this residency will end up being or has been. Can they interpret his intentions and dialogue? Or will they remain tangled in the celebrity if you will?
my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t.ย at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack.ย at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal.ย And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about..ย you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. You have to understand that the gov't and the citizens are very different in this country. Many people realize the absurdity of those wars. And most have no idea that those wars have unofficially bankrupted us. Half watch Fox News and the other half MSNBC/CNN, few can see the forest for the trees. And even fewer can find the truth. There is much truth in the banksters(bankers/mobsters) plot to maintain the dollar as the reserve currency. Though that will eventually collapse as well. Big business, gov't & banks are too greedy and are not willing to sacrifice a dime nor change their tactics/philosophy. They will die slowly from the cancer they themselves have created. Sadly it will be done on the backs of the uneducated, the poor and now the middle class. Unless the people rise up, I only see a sinking ship. I'm waiting for Banksys commentary on this situation. If you can't see it coming, your blind. He's got a few shots to the Corporate American gut left in his bag. And i cant wait to see. It would be nice to be humbled as a nation. Though change would be better. One can only dream . . . I think there has been a solid build up. First He's capturing our attention then our hearts. Then comes the knock out blow. But we are still a few weeks away and there's more fun to be had before the curtain falls. I'm curious if the media has the intelligence, filter or balls to report on the meaning and relevance of what this residency will end up being or has been. Can they interpret his intentions and dialogue? Or will they remain tangled in the celebrity if you will?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Daniel Silk on Oct 15, 2013 21:49:48 GMT 1, I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended?
Exactly!
Banksy has already shown that with the stall selling him canvases, people are not actually interested in the art, it's just about who it's by and what it's worth. People saw the pieces on the stall and thought it was fake rubbish, but of course if they knew it was by Banksy it would have been like a riot of people trying to buy it. This street piece done by anyone else would not even warrant a photo, but coz its a confirmed Banksy it's seen as a masterpiece?
I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Exactly! Banksy has already shown that with the stall selling him canvases, people are not actually interested in the art, it's just about who it's by and what it's worth. People saw the pieces on the stall and thought it was fake rubbish, but of course if they knew it was by Banksy it would have been like a riot of people trying to buy it. This street piece done by anyone else would not even warrant a photo, but coz its a confirmed Banksy it's seen as a masterpiece?
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sin
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by sin on Oct 15, 2013 21:49:52 GMT 1, my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. sorry sin but no, i don't see your point...The people who died on 9/11 where innocent civilians, just like the innocent civilians who died later on in Afghanistan and Irak. And this is a tragedy when people die for nothing, wherever it happens. And for your information, no, the irak/afghanistan war is not the greatest atrocity since wwII, very far from that. More people were killed in Rwanda in 10 weeks than in the past 10 years in Irak/afghanistan. A genocide was happening in Europe twenty years ago (remember Srebrenica?) More than a million people were killed after the separation between india and pakistan. And the list can go on and on and on... Maybe you could make your point without forgetting these people ? It does not make it stronger. i'll agree with you, my statement about worst attrocity since WWII was wrong.
my .02 1. lets dispense with the patriotic bulls**t. at best a small team of Saudi's grabbed planes and flew them into high value targets in the US, to which the US decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries that have absolutely ZERO to do with the attack. at worst the US government and other international interests conspired to let atrocities happen to American citizens and then leveraged that crisis to use force to protect the dollar as the reserve currency and apply pressure to Iran in a multi trillion dollar pipeline deal. And if you really eat the co co puffs, we played a part in it and did more than just sit back. 2. I can name 100 incidents that have happened globally that have lead to more loss of life than 9/11 although I entirely agree that the thousands upon thousands of deaths and complete lack of civil liberties that came of it is easily the greatest atrocity since WWII. How about turning an entire island into a nuclear testing ground, moving the indigenous people off, starving them half to death and leaving them without the ability to access their ancestral land effectively ending their way of life. How about taking 600 rural share croppers and giving them syphilis under the guise of healthcare and leaving it untreated till it crippled them in the name of science. How about.. you get my point. So, if you are going to stand behind an artist who regularly tries to pull back the veil on the absurdity of our modern existence, how about pulling back your veil, put down the flag, and realize that be it on purpose of just by good use of crisis your government convinced you that your are a victim in a world where we enforce extreme poverty on much of the world because of our desire for cheap plastic s**t and we force every country on the planet to use our dollars to buy commodities thereby enslaving them to world banking cartel and violating their rights to fruits of their own labor and national assets. sorry sin but no, i don't see your point...The people who died on 9/11 where innocent civilians, just like the innocent civilians who died later on in Afghanistan and Irak. And this is a tragedy when people die for nothing, wherever it happens. And for your information, no, the irak/afghanistan war is not the greatest atrocity since wwII, very far from that. More people were killed in Rwanda in 10 weeks than in the past 10 years in Irak/afghanistan. A genocide was happening in Europe twenty years ago (remember Srebrenica?) More than a million people were killed after the separation between india and pakistan. And the list can go on and on and on... Maybe you could make your point without forgetting these people ? It does not make it stronger. i'll agree with you, my statement about worst attrocity since WWII was wrong.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:49:59 GMT 1, I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Some people might see this one as a poignant piece, while some might see it as tasteless (see the debate it started on just this forum), but in my extremely limited exposure to New York, it appears that New Yorkers aren't afraid of, and don't shy away from 9/11 imagery. Besides, it doesn't seem to glorify the attack. It's not like he painted a plane flying into one of the towers. I think this one will be well received. Besides, he seems a decent guy, and he's a guest there, so I think he's unlikely to s**t the bed. On a side note though, can anyone on here remember the last Banksy piece that people really didn't like? I can perhaps think of one? But do i dare to mention it.... The Robbo one?
I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Some people might see this one as a poignant piece, while some might see it as tasteless (see the debate it started on just this forum), but in my extremely limited exposure to New York, it appears that New Yorkers aren't afraid of, and don't shy away from 9/11 imagery. Besides, it doesn't seem to glorify the attack. It's not like he painted a plane flying into one of the towers. I think this one will be well received. Besides, he seems a decent guy, and he's a guest there, so I think he's unlikely to s**t the bed. On a side note though, can anyone on here remember the last Banksy piece that people really didn't like? I can perhaps think of one? But do i dare to mention it.... The Robbo one?
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