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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by bjornca on Sept 6, 2014 0:45:38 GMT 1, In what court is that agreement enforceable even if you signed it? No one can tell you what you can do with an item you bought. However, they do have the right to blacklist you the next time you buy from them just in case you get caught.
This came out the other day - cease and desist from Ferrari as they didn't like the wrap that was put on a car they sold... mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-desist/
In what court is that agreement enforceable even if you signed it? No one can tell you what you can do with an item you bought. However, they do have the right to blacklist you the next time you buy from them just in case you get caught. Don't agree. You are entering into a contract to be able to acquire the work - if you don't agree to the terms, you don't purchase it. However, given the dollar value, wouldn't be worth it to enforce in a court, but could see them having any pulled from auctions (including Ebay) as they have proof of a no-sale clause. There are definitely contracts from certain galleries that mandate that acquired works are not sold at auction for a certain period, they have a right of first refusal to repurchase or any secondary sale needs to be sold through the selling gallery, etc. so they can control their artist's market. This came out the other day - cease and desist from Ferrari as they didn't like the wrap that was put on a car they sold... mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-desist/ |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 0:49:13 GMT 1, haha That car is in my city. Thats a bit far fetched, as well. Cease and Desist over a wrap, next up is a clause on paint, Wheels etc...
haha That car is in my city. Thats a bit far fetched, as well. Cease and Desist over a wrap, next up is a clause on paint, Wheels etc...
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bjornca
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by bjornca on Sept 6, 2014 1:00:12 GMT 1, haha That car is in my city. Thats a bit far fetched, as well. Cease and Desist over a wrap, next up is a clause on paint, Wheels etc...
Edit: And Toronto is a great city. Originally from up that way.
haha That car is in my city. Thats a bit far fetched, as well. Cease and Desist over a wrap, next up is a clause on paint, Wheels etc... Not saying I agree with what Ferrari did, but shows there are pretty strict conditions in sales agreement that would even lead to such letter. Definitely not helping customer retention with someone spending $400k+ on a car. Edit: And Toronto is a great city. Originally from up that way. |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by Black Apple Art on Sept 6, 2014 1:12:35 GMT 1, Cease and Desist was not for the wrap or graphics but the use of the "Purrari" name and logo put on and in the car. It's a trademark violation and with his public exposure not surprising.
Cease and Desist was not for the wrap or graphics but the use of the "Purrari" name and logo put on and in the car. It's a trademark violation and with his public exposure not surprising.
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 1:55:01 GMT 1, Four people that I met in line were paid $12 bucks an hour to stand on the street all day in the sweltering sun. One woman said she was hired through task rabbit . Com
Four people that I met in line were paid $12 bucks an hour to stand on the street all day in the sweltering sun. One woman said she was hired through task rabbit . Com
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 3:02:26 GMT 1, I'm tellin ya... start lining up for CH NOW if you want a chance 
I'm tellin ya... start lining up for CH NOW if you want a chance |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by met on Sept 6, 2014 7:07:52 GMT 1, Thanks again kultur will take all your adivce on board once i receive the canvas and i have had it framed will post on forum so you can all check it out. DAL's canvasses usually have some nice staining on the sides of the canvas... at least mine does and most of the ones I have seen do... so I would show them. Smartest thing would be to just find a good local respected framer to go over options when you have the piece. Right now you might not even know how thick the canvas stretcher bars are
If money isn't too much of a concern, or if you're able and willing to splurge, you cannot do better than Tru Vue Optium Museum Acrylic:
www.tru-vue.com/products/optium-museum-acrylicโ
According to the website, it blocks out 99% of UV light. The blockage percentage doesn't get higher. And yet it still offers very high light transmission โ meaning that, appearance-wise, works will largely retain their natural clarity and contrast.
In addition, this acrylic is scratch-resistant, shatterproof and (best of all for your visual experience) anti-reflective.
[When viewing pieces in person or online, there's nothing I find more distracting than reflections in the glazing. It's one of my three major art-related pet peeves, the other two being (i) the abuse of the word "iconic" when describing art, and (ii) dishonest or clueless attempts to elasticise or relativise the extreme / absolute condition-description term "mint".]
Another benefit with the above are the anti-static properties. Static can be a problem since regular acrylic often becomes a dust magnet.
For additional background, when it finally reopened in April 2013 after a 10-year closure for renovations, the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam announced that all of its works on paper (including photographs) had been reglazed with Optium Museum Acrylic.
Thanks again kultur will take all your adivce on board once i receive the canvas and i have had it framed will post on forum so you can all check it out. DAL's canvasses usually have some nice staining on the sides of the canvas... at least mine does and most of the ones I have seen do... so I would show them. Smartest thing would be to just find a good local respected framer to go over options when you have the piece. Right now you might not even know how thick the canvas stretcher bars are If money isn't too much of a concern, or if you're able and willing to splurge, you cannot do better than Tru Vue Optium Museum Acrylic: www.tru-vue.com/products/optium-museum-acrylicโAccording to the website, it blocks out 99% of UV light. The blockage percentage doesn't get higher. And yet it still offers very high light transmission โ meaning that, appearance-wise, works will largely retain their natural clarity and contrast. In addition, this acrylic is scratch-resistant, shatterproof and (best of all for your visual experience) anti-reflective. [When viewing pieces in person or online, there's nothing I find more distracting than reflections in the glazing. It's one of my three major art-related pet peeves, the other two being (i) the abuse of the word "iconic" when describing art, and (ii) dishonest or clueless attempts to elasticise or relativise the extreme / absolute condition-description term "mint".] Another benefit with the above are the anti-static properties. Static can be a problem since regular acrylic often becomes a dust magnet. For additional background, when it finally reopened in April 2013 after a 10-year closure for renovations, the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam announced that all of its works on paper (including photographs) had been reglazed with Optium Museum Acrylic. |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by met on Sept 6, 2014 7:22:56 GMT 1, I've tried hard over the years to like Dal's work, but having looked through this work again and again over the last day or so, I'm still cold - if the only development is a few different objects and colour, it doesn't seem like much to me - oh well, that's art I guess
Why feel the need to try to like work by a particular artist? That's the part I don't get.
I've tried hard over the years to like Dal's work, but having looked through this work again and again over the last day or so, I'm still cold - if the only development is a few different objects and colour, it doesn't seem like much to me - oh well, that's art I guess Why feel the need to try to like work by a particular artist? That's the part I don't get. |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by .dappy on Sept 6, 2014 7:45:52 GMT 1,
... try to like ... you see an artist that appears to be popular, that has a different technique that on the face of it does produce something that catches your eye ... but at the end of the day you do not get it ... there is also the human urge to be in the most popular gang ...
my artist was bast ... until I went a saw a show of his featuring extensive work I did not get what everyone else got ... that is not to say that I like all of his work but now 'I like'
... try to like ... you see an artist that appears to be popular, that has a different technique that on the face of it does produce something that catches your eye ... but at the end of the day you do not get it ... there is also the human urge to be in the most popular gang ...
my artist was bast ... until I went a saw a show of his featuring extensive work I did not get what everyone else got ... that is not to say that I like all of his work but now 'I like'
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by sgolby on Sept 6, 2014 8:06:39 GMT 1, In what court is that agreement enforceable even if you signed it? No one can tell you what you can do with an item you bought. However, they do have the right to blacklist you the next time you buy from them just in case you get caught. Don't agree. You are entering into a contract to be able to acquire the work - if you don't agree to the terms, you don't purchase it. However, given the dollar value, wouldn't be worth it to enforce in a court, but could see them having any pulled from auctions (including Ebay) as they have proof of a no-sale clause. There are definitely contracts from certain galleries that mandate that acquired works are not sold at auction for a certain period, they have a right of first refusal to repurchase or any secondary sale needs to be sold through the selling gallery, etc. so they can control their artist's market. This came out the other day - cease and desist from Ferrari as they didn't like the wrap that was put on a car they sold... mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-desist/
if not, then it will take someone wealthy trying to resell a piece and then having to sue the gallery in order to have a precedent set.
In what court is that agreement enforceable even if you signed it? No one can tell you what you can do with an item you bought. However, they do have the right to blacklist you the next time you buy from them just in case you get caught. Don't agree. You are entering into a contract to be able to acquire the work - if you don't agree to the terms, you don't purchase it. However, given the dollar value, wouldn't be worth it to enforce in a court, but could see them having any pulled from auctions (including Ebay) as they have proof of a no-sale clause. There are definitely contracts from certain galleries that mandate that acquired works are not sold at auction for a certain period, they have a right of first refusal to repurchase or any secondary sale needs to be sold through the selling gallery, etc. so they can control their artist's market. This came out the other day - cease and desist from Ferrari as they didn't like the wrap that was put on a car they sold... mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-desist/I feel like this all goes back to regulation of the art world. As far as I know, it is against the law in the United States to prohibit people from selling property that they have acquired. This includes art music and film. One may not reproduce, but one can sell their personal copy. Am I wrong? if not, then it will take someone wealthy trying to resell a piece and then having to sue the gallery in order to have a precedent set. |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by met on Sept 6, 2014 8:26:23 GMT 1, In what court is that agreement enforceable even if you signed it? No one can tell you what you can do with an item you bought. However, they do have the right to blacklist you the next time you buy from them just in case you get caught. Don't agree. You are entering into a contract to be able to acquire the work - if you don't agree to the terms, you don't purchase it. However, given the dollar value, wouldn't be worth it to enforce in a court, but could see them having any pulled from auctions (including Ebay) as they have proof of a no-sale clause. There are definitely contracts from certain galleries that mandate that acquired works are not sold at auction for a certain period, they have a right of first refusal to repurchase or any secondary sale needs to be sold through the selling gallery, etc. so they can control their artist's market. This came out the other day - cease and desist from Ferrari as they didn't like the wrap that was put on a car they sold... mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-desist/
The fact such contracts may exist doesn't make them legally binding. Nor does it mean a court of law would enforce any of the provisions.
No-resale or conditional resale agreements conflict with the very nature and characteristics of private property ownership.
Through capriciousness, I can offer to sell you a doughnut subject to the condition that it may be displayed in your cupboard or fridge, but under no circumstances should it be eaten before September 2017. You could accept and enter into a written contract with me to this effect.
If you then ate the doughnut immediately, I'd hold up my copy of the contract, shake my fist and yell, "You made a promise to me, bjornca! We had an agreement. God damn you. God damn you to hell, or even worse!" This would be an ethical and relationship matter, perhaps even a psychiatric matter, but not a legal one.
In what court is that agreement enforceable even if you signed it? No one can tell you what you can do with an item you bought. However, they do have the right to blacklist you the next time you buy from them just in case you get caught. Don't agree. You are entering into a contract to be able to acquire the work - if you don't agree to the terms, you don't purchase it. However, given the dollar value, wouldn't be worth it to enforce in a court, but could see them having any pulled from auctions (including Ebay) as they have proof of a no-sale clause. There are definitely contracts from certain galleries that mandate that acquired works are not sold at auction for a certain period, they have a right of first refusal to repurchase or any secondary sale needs to be sold through the selling gallery, etc. so they can control their artist's market. This came out the other day - cease and desist from Ferrari as they didn't like the wrap that was put on a car they sold... mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-desist/The fact such contracts may exist doesn't make them legally binding. Nor does it mean a court of law would enforce any of the provisions. No-resale or conditional resale agreements conflict with the very nature and characteristics of private property ownership. Through capriciousness, I can offer to sell you a doughnut subject to the condition that it may be displayed in your cupboard or fridge, but under no circumstances should it be eaten before September 2017. You could accept and enter into a written contract with me to this effect. If you then ate the doughnut immediately, I'd hold up my copy of the contract, shake my fist and yell, "You made a promise to me, bjornca! We had an agreement. God damn you. God damn you to hell, or even worse!" This would be an ethical and relationship matter, perhaps even a psychiatric matter, but not a legal one. |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 13:42:26 GMT 1, Cease and Desist was not for the wrap or graphics but the use of the "Purrari" name and logo put on and in the car. It's a trademark violation and with his public exposure not surprising.
It's not like he registered the name though. Was a hashtag lol...
Cease and Desist was not for the wrap or graphics but the use of the "Purrari" name and logo put on and in the car. It's a trademark violation and with his public exposure not surprising. It's not like he registered the name though. Was a hashtag lol... |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by dazarino on Sept 6, 2014 22:04:12 GMT 1, Happy to sign. My sketch is not going anywhere
Happy to sign. My sketch is not going anywhere |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by BKBOI on Sept 6, 2014 22:08:05 GMT 1, signed it too with a big smile on my face. just don't want to be told what I can and can't do.
signed it too with a big smile on my face. just don't want to be told what I can and can't do.
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by rdl81 on Sept 7, 2014 23:10:27 GMT 1, Anyone want to sell a sketch PM me confidentiality assured. I am not a happy camper at the moment after being repeatedly told by gallery to wait for this show over the last 18m by the time I get the email nada!!
Anyone want to sell a sketch PM me confidentiality assured. I am not a happy camper at the moment after being repeatedly told by gallery to wait for this show over the last 18m by the time I get the email nada!!
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by commissioner on Sept 7, 2014 23:59:46 GMT 1, still looking...
still looking...
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by johnnyh on Sept 9, 2014 3:04:04 GMT 1, Justin
send me pics of your Dal. What are you looking at
Thx John
Justin
send me pics of your Dal. What are you looking at
Thx John
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by il conte on Sept 9, 2014 6:02:47 GMT 1, Send me the pics
Thanks
Alf
Send me the pics
Thanks
Alf
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by sazw on Sept 9, 2014 16:30:00 GMT 1, Am i too late??
If not send pics and price - cheers
Am i too late??
If not send pics and price - cheers
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by chaturz on Sept 11, 2014 12:53:11 GMT 1, Hi just wanted a price check on this Dal East sketch from the 2013 London Dare
its the original sketch sold at the show of the piece that was on Sclatter Street, East London.
It was purchased from the show framed by MFM
as Im emigrating im reevaluating my collection so would appreciate any advice on price + am willing to listen to offers
Hi just wanted a price check on this Dal East sketch from the 2013 London Dare its the original sketch sold at the show of the piece that was on Sclatter Street, East London. It was purchased from the show framed by MFM as Im emigrating im reevaluating my collection so would appreciate any advice on price + am willing to listen to offers |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by chaturz on Sept 11, 2014 12:54:19 GMT 1, 
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by Poster Bob on Sept 11, 2014 12:56:13 GMT 1, Maybe ยฃ200-ยฃ300, ยฃ300 if you are very lucky. I remember a similar quality sketch of an astronaut selling for about that a few months ago. It was item 111355088611 and went for ยฃ215.
Maybe ยฃ200-ยฃ300, ยฃ300 if you are very lucky. I remember a similar quality sketch of an astronaut selling for about that a few months ago. It was item 111355088611 and went for ยฃ215.
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by chaturz on Sept 11, 2014 13:00:08 GMT 1, yeah thats not gonna happen as the primary cost of sketches direct from his shows hasn't changed from the Dare show till the recent JLG show. Theyre still sold from show at approx ยฃ500 / $800 and from what I gathered both shows sold fairly instantly so I cant imagine letting it go for half the cost or less as that would be the definition of insane lol
yeah thats not gonna happen as the primary cost of sketches direct from his shows hasn't changed from the Dare show till the recent JLG show. Theyre still sold from show at approx ยฃ500 / $800 and from what I gathered both shows sold fairly instantly so I cant imagine letting it go for half the cost or less as that would be the definition of insane lol
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by Poster Bob on Sept 11, 2014 13:03:09 GMT 1, I am stating what I think it's worth given the quality of the image based on previous secondary prices, not what galleries ask for them initially. You should probably just hold on to it then; it's a small piece to take with you. Anyways, here's a link to show you what a similar sketch fetched on Ebay:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Daleast-Original-Sketch-Like-Dran-Banksy-Whatson-/111355088611
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by chaturz on Sept 11, 2014 13:09:32 GMT 1, im not shipping anything amigo, just taking a suitcase. Most framed works will go into storage but i dont want to store too much, hence scouting out options. Nothing personal in the message earlier amigo just stating I would never let it go that low and wouldn't base value on the back of one bad ebay sale. we all have our opinions, and I appreciate your input.
im not shipping anything amigo, just taking a suitcase. Most framed works will go into storage but i dont want to store too much, hence scouting out options. Nothing personal in the message earlier amigo just stating I would never let it go that low and wouldn't base value on the back of one bad ebay sale. we all have our opinions, and I appreciate your input.
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by kojak on Sept 11, 2014 16:51:21 GMT 1, can you send me pics and price
thanks
can you send me pics and price
thanks
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by dazarino on Sept 11, 2014 17:56:54 GMT 1, If you put that sketch up on here for ยฃยฃ800-1000 i think you would get it. He is red hot right now the sketches in the outsiders show were ยฃ1200 framed although they were a bit bigger than your piece
If you put that sketch up on here for ยฃยฃ800-1000 i think you would get it. He is red hot right now the sketches in the outsiders show were ยฃ1200 framed although they were a bit bigger than your piece |
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by dazarino on Sept 11, 2014 17:58:13 GMT 1, I would hold on to it if someone offers ยฃ300.
I would hold on to it if someone offers ยฃ300.
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by chads007 on Sept 11, 2014 18:47:57 GMT 1, I thought the outsiders sketches were 800usd thst size?
I thought the outsiders sketches were 800usd thst size?
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DALeast ๐จ๐ณ Wuhan, China โข Street Art โข Based in Cape Town, by arthoarder on Sept 11, 2014 19:33:13 GMT 1, id say you could get atleast 900USD
id say you could get atleast 900USD
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