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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Gard on Feb 2, 2014 17:26:20 GMT 1, Thanks sal for finally speaking up to the bs he has been posting for the last week. I think this OG drop has brought the worst out in a lot of people. I have lost a lot of respect for members I earlier believed knew what they were talking about.
Thanks sal for finally speaking up to the bs he has been posting for the last week. I think this OG drop has brought the worst out in a lot of people. I have lost a lot of respect for members I earlier believed knew what they were talking about. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Petrusino on Feb 2, 2014 17:48:59 GMT 1, Justin Bieber = Banksy 
"Comparing them to Ericailcane or SAM3 is just hilarious"
Now I understand from which side you judge the art; but only til someone do not compare the twins to someone else in that sense; ...in that case: Fire and Flame!
Ok; I'm SORRY; I understand from your tones; It is precisely my frustration to emerge here! LOL
I thought we were on the banksy forum ..... how stupid am I??!!! 
I can not believe I can't say what I think, just because each of you has spent 4k euro for this.
Keep calm and be happy; life is short.
Justin Bieber = Banksy "Comparing them to Ericailcane or SAM3 is just hilarious" Now I understand from which side you judge the art; but only til someone do not compare the twins to someone else in that sense; ...in that case: Fire and Flame! Ok; I'm SORRY; I understand from your tones; It is precisely my frustration to emerge here! LOL I thought we were on the banksy forum ..... how stupid am I??!!! I can not believe I can't say what I think, just because each of you has spent 4k euro for this. Keep calm and be happy; life is short. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 18:49:24 GMT 1, How did you pay? I think paypal refunds occur at the rate prevailing at the time of the original transaction.
Nope it's the current rate. I lost about £70 on a Herakut refund that took about 6 months to go through and that was via PayPal.
How did you pay? I think paypal refunds occur at the rate prevailing at the time of the original transaction. Nope it's the current rate. I lost about £70 on a Herakut refund that took about 6 months to go through and that was via PayPal. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by alittle on Feb 2, 2014 19:06:15 GMT 1, Well, that's unfortunate.
Well, that's unfortunate.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by kbfrombk on Feb 2, 2014 19:29:56 GMT 1, indeed that is a massive bummer. keep us up to date on how this develops for you Mateo Spain
indeed that is a massive bummer. keep us up to date on how this develops for you Mateo Spain |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by alittle on Feb 2, 2014 19:33:44 GMT 1, It would be nice if they made it right for you, but I have my doubts, and I'm not sure that they have any obligation to, as they were not managing the foreign exchange conversion.
It would be nice if they made it right for you, but I have my doubts, and I'm not sure that they have any obligation to, as they were not managing the foreign exchange conversion.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Limited Prints on Feb 2, 2014 19:34:43 GMT 1, Ok here's a new one... I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print. What to do?? Any advice???
that's pretty fucked up. Im almost positive if the rates had worked the other way you wouldn't have made money. I would email them and let them know whats going on. No doubt the squeaky wheel gets greased. with a situation like this I would kindly ask to be put on a list and given first refusal of next. I would stay on it though.
Ok here's a new one... I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print. What to do?? Any advice??? that's pretty fucked up. Im almost positive if the rates had worked the other way you wouldn't have made money. I would email them and let them know whats going on. No doubt the squeaky wheel gets greased. with a situation like this I would kindly ask to be put on a list and given first refusal of next. I would stay on it though. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Petrusino on Feb 2, 2014 20:15:49 GMT 1, Thanks sal for finally speaking up to the bs he has been posting for the last week. I think this OG drop has brought the worst out in a lot of people. I have lost a lot of respect for members I earlier believed knew what they were talking about.  .
Thanks sal for finally speaking up to the bs he has been posting for the last week. I think this OG drop has brought the worst out in a lot of people. I have lost a lot of respect for members I earlier believed knew what they were talking about. One last note Gard; I follow the graffiti scene from the 90's; you're member since 2012; just because you have a couple, or more, of Dolk's canvases think you have more knowledge about art than someone else? or passion? ....at most you have a larger wallet. that has nothing to do with taste and art's knowledge. remember this. even for you eschiff . |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 21:12:24 GMT 1, Petrusino has made some very valid points in possibly not the best way, English not being his first language. But...in general and from his perspective, he's right. More over on the other thread.
Petrusino has made some very valid points in possibly not the best way, English not being his first language. But...in general and from his perspective, he's right. More over on the other thread.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 21:20:36 GMT 1, Considering selling this original drawing by Os Gemeos. It is framed and has provenance.
Size: 21 x 30cm
Date: 2007s
If interested pm or email me: joevalentino58@gmail.com
Will consider trade with a signed Banksy print
Timewasters need not apply 
Considering selling this original drawing by Os Gemeos. It is framed and has provenance. Size: 21 x 30cm Date: 2007s If interested pm or email me: joevalentino58@gmail.com Will consider trade with a signed Banksy print Timewasters need not apply |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 21:21:52 GMT 1, Things seem to have calmed down on this thread..
Was the price point too high for Os Gemeos fans ? yes, without a doubt, it's a few months wages for most Brazillians and far in excess of any other print release EVER released and discussed on here.
Was the edition size too little for a first release ? From a fans perspective, again, yes, without a doubt, a thousand at €400 would have made more sense.
Was this targeted at the fine and contemporary art set ? yes, without a doubt. Does that piss off a few/many of their street level fans ? yes, should it ? Not sure.
Do I really give a shit ? No, not anymore. The scene has developed this way. Good luck to them.
Would I have given a shit 6 or 7 years ago ? absolutely. Power to the People.
Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Central Europeans.. all coming at street art from a much more anarchistic background and history to the UK and US scenes. From a "street" "leftist" "keeping it real" perspective, the release sucked. I think that's Petrusino's point. And from that perspective, he's absolutely right. There are still more than a few anti capitalist street art fans on this board who are as likely to don a bandana or balaclava of a weekend as they are their weekends finest for some swanky sponsored art opening.
peace
Things seem to have calmed down on this thread..
Was the price point too high for Os Gemeos fans ? yes, without a doubt, it's a few months wages for most Brazillians and far in excess of any other print release EVER released and discussed on here.
Was the edition size too little for a first release ? From a fans perspective, again, yes, without a doubt, a thousand at €400 would have made more sense.
Was this targeted at the fine and contemporary art set ? yes, without a doubt. Does that piss off a few/many of their street level fans ? yes, should it ? Not sure.
Do I really give a shit ? No, not anymore. The scene has developed this way. Good luck to them.
Would I have given a shit 6 or 7 years ago ? absolutely. Power to the People.
Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Central Europeans.. all coming at street art from a much more anarchistic background and history to the UK and US scenes. From a "street" "leftist" "keeping it real" perspective, the release sucked. I think that's Petrusino's point. And from that perspective, he's absolutely right. There are still more than a few anti capitalist street art fans on this board who are as likely to don a bandana or balaclava of a weekend as they are their weekends finest for some swanky sponsored art opening.
peace
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 21:24:11 GMT 1, Considering selling this original drawing by Os Gemeos. It is framed and has provenance. If interested pm or email me: joevalentino58@gmail.com Will consider trade with a signed Banksy print Timewasters need not apply
Considering selling this original drawing by Os Gemeos. It is framed and has provenance. If interested pm or email me: joevalentino58@gmail.com Will consider trade with a signed Banksy print Timewasters need not apply Great timing ! |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by singerstu on Feb 2, 2014 21:26:19 GMT 1, Nice has to be worth more than an ed 99 print!
Nice has to be worth more than an ed 99 print!
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Manty on Feb 2, 2014 21:28:31 GMT 1, Is it really an OS G?
i like it, possibly the best thing i have seen in a while.
Depressing, but cool
Is it really an OS G?
i like it, possibly the best thing i have seen in a while.
Depressing, but cool
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 21:29:54 GMT 1, Thanks guys and yes it really is an Os Gem
Thanks guys and yes it really is an Os Gem |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Winter on Feb 2, 2014 21:49:48 GMT 1, Size? Signed?
Size? Signed?
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by jB on Feb 2, 2014 21:52:28 GMT 1, Nice one! I love this.
Nice one! I love this.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Petrusino on Feb 2, 2014 22:06:53 GMT 1, Things seem to have calmed down on this thread.. Was the price point too high for Os Gemeos fans ? yes, without a doubt, it's a few months wages for most Brazillians and far in excess of any other print release EVER released and discussed on here. Was the edition size too little for a first release ? From a fans perspective, again, yes, without a doubt, a thousand at €400 would have made more sense. Was this targeted at the fine and contemporary art set ? yes, without a doubt. Does that piss off a few/many of their street level fans ? yes, should it ? Not sure. Do I really give a s**t ? No, not anymore. The scene has developed this way. Good luck to them. Would I have given a s**t 6 or 7 years ago ? absolutely. Power to the People. Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Central Europeans.. all coming at street art from a much more anarchistic background and history to the UK and US scenes. From a "street" "leftist" "keeping it real" perspective, the release sucked. I think that's Petrusino's point. And from that perspective, he's absolutely right. There are still more than a few anti capitalist street art fans on this board who are as likely to don a bandana or balaclava of a weekend as they are their weekends finest for some swanky sponsored art opening. peace
Things seem to have calmed down on this thread.. Was the price point too high for Os Gemeos fans ? yes, without a doubt, it's a few months wages for most Brazillians and far in excess of any other print release EVER released and discussed on here. Was the edition size too little for a first release ? From a fans perspective, again, yes, without a doubt, a thousand at €400 would have made more sense. Was this targeted at the fine and contemporary art set ? yes, without a doubt. Does that piss off a few/many of their street level fans ? yes, should it ? Not sure. Do I really give a s**t ? No, not anymore. The scene has developed this way. Good luck to them. Would I have given a s**t 6 or 7 years ago ? absolutely. Power to the People. Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Central Europeans.. all coming at street art from a much more anarchistic background and history to the UK and US scenes. From a "street" "leftist" "keeping it real" perspective, the release sucked. I think that's Petrusino's point. And from that perspective, he's absolutely right. There are still more than a few anti capitalist street art fans on this board who are as likely to don a bandana or balaclava of a weekend as they are their weekends finest for some swanky sponsored art opening. peace Thanks for your honesty and to have understood what I meant. my english sucks! Thank god, people who can teach lessons about this culture and who have contributing for years to make it grow, look at the future of this big artistic movement trying to have at least a bit of coherence with the past; with the roots. Thanks |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Petrusino on Feb 2, 2014 22:10:12 GMT 1, thanks; reading this from you; for what you do for street art, it is an honor for me. at least someone understood my point of view. thanks
thanks; reading this from you; for what you do for street art, it is an honor for me. at least someone understood my point of view. thanks
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Warm Gun on Feb 2, 2014 22:34:16 GMT 1, I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh
I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by alittle on Feb 2, 2014 22:39:42 GMT 1, Average wage in Britain is £26,500, or £2,208/month, less taxes. So yeah, pretty close to a couple months. Now obviously, this print wasn't made for the average person.
Average wage in Britain is £26,500, or £2,208/month, less taxes. So yeah, pretty close to a couple months. Now obviously, this print wasn't made for the average person.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by rottenredrooster on Feb 2, 2014 22:43:27 GMT 1, I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh
I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 22:53:53 GMT 1, I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil.
Law Enforcement / Security / : 25,000 BRL a month
The inequality I saw when there was some of the most extreme I've ever seen
I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil. Food /Hospitality / Tourism / Catering : 3,000 BRL a month Law Enforcement / Security / : 25,000 BRL a month The inequality I saw when there was some of the most extreme I've ever seen |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by rottenredrooster on Feb 2, 2014 23:03:02 GMT 1, I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil. Food /Hospitality / Tourism / Catering : 3,000 BRL a month Law Enforcement / Security / : 25,000 BRL a month The inequality I saw when there was one of the most extreme I've ever seen
I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil. Food /Hospitality / Tourism / Catering : 3,000 BRL a month Law Enforcement / Security / : 25,000 BRL a month The inequality I saw when there was one of the most extreme I've ever seen Obscene, but unsurprising. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 0:07:09 GMT 1, I don't believe that they really give a s*** about the average Brazilian by pricing this so high. I guess they must have thought that if the market is in the US and Europe then why care if their own countrymen cannot afford a print? After all, as people have pointed out, they knew this would sell out.
I don't believe that they really give a s*** about the average Brazilian by pricing this so high. I guess they must have thought that if the market is in the US and Europe then why care if their own countrymen cannot afford a print? After all, as people have pointed out, they knew this would sell out.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by andyroo0312 on Feb 3, 2014 1:23:58 GMT 1, Every time i see this style of drawing i think of Beavis and Butthead, not a thing of beauty but defiantly interesting, i wonder if this is how the twins see there relationship with each other? 
Every time i see this style of drawing i think of Beavis and Butthead, not a thing of beauty but defiantly interesting, i wonder if this is how the twins see there relationship with each other? |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by alittle on Feb 3, 2014 2:01:36 GMT 1, So if a lithograph edition of 99 is worth $12K-$15K, surely this should be worth about a million, no?
So if a lithograph edition of 99 is worth $12K-$15K, surely this should be worth about a million, no?
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Lunch Special on Feb 3, 2014 2:02:01 GMT 1, The people of Brazil receive plenty of art for free in the streets where the twins paint. Its obvious this print was directed at the collectors, the galleries and in some shape or form, its there way of introducing themselves into the print market. They have done a number of collabos with Nike and other major corporations havent they? They have published how many books with photos of there art? They were part of a number of high profile shows and exhibits. So there art has been made available to the public to see and enjoy but this was made for a different audience.
Im excited to see whats to come.
The people of Brazil receive plenty of art for free in the streets where the twins paint. Its obvious this print was directed at the collectors, the galleries and in some shape or form, its there way of introducing themselves into the print market. They have done a number of collabos with Nike and other major corporations havent they? They have published how many books with photos of there art? They were part of a number of high profile shows and exhibits. So there art has been made available to the public to see and enjoy but this was made for a different audience.
Im excited to see whats to come.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Lunch Special on Feb 3, 2014 2:05:03 GMT 1, Was this purchased or was this something they did for you on the fly maybe at an event or something? Just wondering as I do not see this having any provenance other than someones word there fore rendering it of little to no value to soemones insured collection.
Was this purchased or was this something they did for you on the fly maybe at an event or something? Just wondering as I do not see this having any provenance other than someones word there fore rendering it of little to no value to soemones insured collection.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Mateo Spain on Feb 3, 2014 3:15:45 GMT 1, That has happened to me more than once. Tell them how much you lost in your own currency and they should cover it. Send them a screenshot from your bank to show them the numbers.
Done, thanks for the advice everyone. I also think it's a long shot, never would have predicted this happening though.
That has happened to me more than once. Tell them how much you lost in your own currency and they should cover it. Send them a screenshot from your bank to show them the numbers. Done, thanks for the advice everyone. I also think it's a long shot, never would have predicted this happening though. |
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